Hopefully all of the prejudiced naysayers of "zomg, sub fee + cash shop? garbage" will come to realize that it's time to get off their high horse and step down with the rest of us.

First of all, nothing in the item shop will advance you more than anyone else. This is old news, yet some people still can't grasp this concept. What will most likely be in the cash shop are nothing more than costume pieces. Any other paid services will probably be something to do with your account, but i'm not sure what because the game has no servers. Yes, I know that Cryptic really should just put the costume pieces that are in the shop in game as unlockable content instead of milking them, but we can't always get what we want(Cryptic may eventually see the fault in their ways). 

Next, a lot of people who were "anxiously waiting to try this one" were also people from City of Heroes and completely, dare I say, forgot(nah, no way)that their beloved super hero game also had the form of a "cash shop". CoX did obviously not have anything remotely close to the form of your typical cash shop, but however, you could purchase costume sets, costume auras, and costume switching animations, as well as additional character slots and respecs. You don't hear anyone giving two stinks about any of this. Champions Online is a solid game, and it deserves your time. It might not be for everyone, but it's a nice game. So, just think before you go around spurting "ugh god cash shop? you just lost a customer" out of your ass.

Going to agree with you on this. Besides, the shop won't be necessary to enjoy the game or get extra goodies...

Why is it prejudiced to disagree with sub + mt?  People don't have to support something they don't like.

I don't see this thread going well....oh well....

Continue....

I agree completely. Rather, people should play the game in preview or open beta, and then decide not to subscribe because of the mediocre game play and claustrophobic level design.

Given those two items, the cash shop is really just an afterthought.

I don't see it as people blowing it out of proportion.  I don't even have a problem with using both models at the same time.  The problem is they are charging the same as every other MMO, plus a cash shop.  If sub fees were reduced to $5-$7 a month, that would be fine. 

Or even give active subscriptions a few bucks a month of cypt cash (what ever they are gonna call it) a month and those that wanna spend more and get the stuff faster then they can.. those that dont.. can just save a month or so and get it then..

ive played the game

it isnt good enough to be worth a sub fee+mt model.

 But it IS blown out of proportion. By what you said, if they lowered the amount of the sub by 5-7 dollars, that means you'd be willing to spend the extra money in their rmt shop to compensate your lowered sub fee back up to 15 dollars. This won't be the case, so why you don't just enjoy the game and not have to worry about spending money there?

Also, to the previous poster who said "why am I prejudiced because I don't agree with sub + rmt"? Um, well, you simply assume that the RMT is a terrible concept that in some way will hamper your playing experience relative to others. Just because you don't state it doesn't mean its implied with your statement. I can tell that you're immediately ready to not even give champions a second thought just because it has a COMPLETLY optional cash shop for COSTUME parts. If you don't agree with real money transactions outside of the game sub itself, you shouldn't ever put a hand on WoW, SWG, FFXI, EQ2, Warhammer, CoH, ECT ECT ECT.

Originally posted by Darkane42

Or even give active subscriptions a few bucks a month of cypt cash (what ever they are gonna call it) a month and those that wanna spend more and get the stuff faster then they can.. those that dont.. can just save a month or so and get it then..

 

 

I agree with this. SoE gives active subscribers free TCG packs every month. They are not tradeable but you get all the same cards as anyone else does, and you can get chances to get insanely rare loot cards that sell for millions of creds. A bit different from costume parts obviously, but you get the idea.

Originally posted by steamtank

ive played the game

 

it isnt good enough to be worth a sub fee+mt model.

 

 
maybe not.. i havent played yet/.. but atleast it is something .. different... i'm SOO sick of the middle age fantasy games.. I'm mean in teh last.. 12+ years of my MMO life i've played Legends of Kesmai, The Realm. Ultima Online, Everquest, Ashrons Call, Dark age of camalot, EQ2, WOW, LoTRO, Lineage 1&2, FF XI, guild wars, Vanguard, AoC, WAR, D&D.. the list keeps on going..

Now the list of NON-Dark age genre games.. ummm Plantside, Tabula Rasa, SWG,... COH,COV, EVE, Earth and Beyond, anarcy online.. thats about it really.. not a very wide selection...

(that thats just games that i have spent at least 1+ months playing and not counting any of the MANY F2P games i've tried)

Originally posted by Dark-Asylum

 But it IS blown out of proportion. By what you said, if they lowered the amount of the sub by 5-7 dollars, that means you'd be willing to spend the extra money in their rmt shop to compensate your lowered sub fee back up to 15 dollars. This won't be the case, so why you don't just enjoy the game and not have to worry about spending money there?

Also, to the previous poster who said "why am I prejudiced because I don't agree with sub + rmt"? Um, well, you simply assume that the RMT is a terrible concept that in some way will hamper your playing experience relative to others. Just because you don't state it doesn't mean its implied with your statement. I can tell that you're immediately ready to not even give champions a second thought just because it has a COMPLETLY optional cash shop for COSTUME parts. If you don't agree with real money transactions outside of the game sub itself, you shouldn't ever put a hand on WoW, SWG, FFXI, EQ2, Warhammer, CoH, ECT ECT ECT.

I didn't ask "why am I predjudiced" I asked "why is it prejudiced"? Predjudice implies irrational hatred, I don't hate Champions, I quite like it actually, I just disagree with sub + mt, doesn't make me a hater or not willing to give it try because I have.  I won't discuss details because of NDA.

Um...no...being prejudiced implies making a judgment with no prior knowledge of what you are judging/forming an opinion about. Most people instantly assume champions is garbage because they think the cash shop will effect the gameplay of them, again, like I said, relative to that of other players(ie: make players who spend money in the shop better), where in fact it does not.   

To me it's very simple: if I buy a game, I expect I can enjoy every aspect of it. If there are tricks, some special loot or equipment that you can only buy with real money, then I'll just skip the game.

I expect paying a game and a subscription get's you a full access to all content, item shops are just a sign screaming "Yeah we got a few jumpsuits here but if you are really looking for a cool stuff, you have to keep paying more."

I still think better equipment etc. should come through adventuring or maybe auction house, not by VISA or PayPal.

No offence but this is as bad as "omg obama was born in kenya" rubbish.

I read thru and this will mostly be visual items only .And its a way to generate more cash without actually hampering game play.

Originally posted by Mortemia

To me it's very simple: if I buy a game, I expect I can enjoy every aspect of it. If there are tricks, some special loot or equipment that you can only buy with real money, then I'll just skip the game.

I expect paying a game and a subscription get's you a full access to all content, item shops are just a sign screaming "Yeah we got a few jumpsuits here but if you are really looking for a cool stuff, you have to keep paying more."

I still think better equipment etc. should come through adventuring or maybe auction house, not by VISA or PayPal.

Try research before you post.It is visual items so how in hell can you say "better" equipment will only be gotten thru visa or paypal??

Originally posted by steamtank

ive played the game

 

it isnt good enough to be worth a sub fee+mt model.

 

 

 

I ve played it as well. To me it s well worth the price. The MT isn t anything to worry about, people are blowing it way out of proportion.

you know its kinda funny.. all thise people getting pissy about the Micro transactions.. and i'm willing to bet MOST of them play ot have played CoX in the last.. 2 years... well guess what.. CoX has MT's =) not on a very big scale but they are still there.. and they they dont really add a whole lot but there are there.. like getting a jetpack at lvl 1 =) and costume pieces..

Originally posted by Dark-Asylum

 Hopefully all of the prejudiced naysayers of "zomg, sub fee + cash shop? garbage" will come to realize that it's time to get off their high horse and step down with the rest of us.

First of all, nothing in the item shop will advance you more than anyone else. This is old news, yet some people still can't grasp this concept. What will most likely be in the cash shop are nothing more than costume pieces. Any other paid services will probably be something to do with your account, but i'm not sure what because the game has no servers. Yes, I know that Cryptic really should just put the costume pieces that are in the shop in game as unlockable content instead of milking them, but we can't always get what we want(Cryptic may eventually see the fault in their ways). 

Next, a lot of people who were "anxiously waiting to try this one" were also people from City of Heroes and completely, dare I say, forgot(nah, no way)that their beloved super hero game also had the form of a "cash shop". CoX did obviously not have anything remotely close to the form of your typical cash shop, but however, you could purchase costume sets, costume auras, and costume switching animations, as well as additional character slots and respecs. You don't hear anyone giving two stinks about any of this. Champions Online is a solid game, and it deserves your time. It might not be for everyone, but it's a nice game. So, just think before you go around spurting "ugh god cash shop? you just lost a customer" out of your ass.

Man, I couldn't agree with Dark-Asylum here. I've been saying this for so long about Everquest 2. People who Havin't even tried the game say the game is terrible, just simply because it has a cash shop. The cash shops in most of these MMO's does not make other players have an advantage over others. They are simply appearance items.

Gamers are so ignorant on this site sometimes it amazes me, because they make their own judgements on MMO's they havin't even played before or even tried. How dumb is that? Pretty stupid if you ask me. I used to take alot of the gamers negative advice on here, but I don't now, because most of them havin't even played the game for over 10 hours to make a solid judgment on them. Most of the gamers on here don't know shit about the gaming industry or how it works.

Originally posted by Dark-Asylum

Um...no...being prejudiced implies making a judgment with no prior knowledge of what you are judging/forming an opinion about. Most people instantly assume champions is garbage because they think the cash shop will effect the gameplay of them, again, like I said, relative to that of other players(ie: make players who spend money in the shop better), where in fact it does not.   

It means that too.  People can only go on the knowledge available so far, and Cryptic hasn't been very forthcoming in that department.  No one knows yet what the cash shop will contain, except for cryptic, so most people assume the worst.  I'm guilty of that too.  For me personally despite the fact I like the game I won't support a sub + mt, game-changing items or not. I'm not offended if others play and like that model we're all different.  I'm not arrogant enough to assume my opinion is the only right one.

Originally posted by Dark-Asylum

 But it IS blown out of proportion. By what you said, if they lowered the amount of the sub by 5-7 dollars, that means you'd be willing to spend the extra money in their rmt shop to compensate your lowered sub fee back up to 15 dollars. This won't be the case, so why you don't just enjoy the game and not have to worry about spending money there?

Also, to the previous poster who said "why am I prejudiced because I don't agree with sub + rmt"? Um, well, you simply assume that the RMT is a terrible concept that in some way will hamper your playing experience relative to others. Just because you don't state it doesn't mean its implied with your statement. I can tell that you're immediately ready to not even give champions a second thought just because it has a COMPLETLY optional cash shop for COSTUME parts. If you don't agree with real money transactions outside of the game sub itself, you shouldn't ever put a hand on WoW, SWG, FFXI, EQ2, Warhammer, CoH, ECT ECT ECT.

To me it's just the principles of it.  I don't like it. 

The cash-shop stuff in Champions is all of the 'nice but useless' variety. There is nothing you can buy with ££ that will increase your characters effectivness. Much the same as the SOE cash shops in EQ2.

I was very anti ingame cash shops and subs, but have come to get used to it and realise they are pretty harmless in their current state and actually add to some peoples enjoyment. I personally won't spend anything past my subscription fee and if the cash shops, in the games I play, ever start offering 'usefull' equipment, then I will probably find myself looking for a new game.

I think, despite how against it a lot of people seem to be, that subs+ cash shop are the future of a lot of mmo's.

The vocal minority can rant and rave on forums and vote with their wallets (believe me, as i said earlier, i will be one of the ranters and ravers if cash shops start to offer usefull stuff) but , the truth of the matter is, their must be enough demand for the ingame items to outweigh the loss of subs from /rage-quitters. All MMO companies are here to make ££ and will make decisions based on their own predictions of just what will make them the most profit regardless of the complaining that happens. As others have stated, voting with your wallet is the best way to get a company to take notice, and, it looks like the vote is going the way of the subs/cash shop partnership :/

As for Champions online, open Beta starts Monday, grab a key, give it a go.

I was very much looking forward to this game, followed it from the earliest grumblings and was extremelly happy when I managed to get in and start playing a while back. Have to say I was very disappointed. Its not a bad game, but not a particularly good one. The gfx are a let down (and yes, I do play on the highest settings) and gameplay is very average, nothing at all new to find here :(

Being 'not bad' it does have potential for improvement and , with enough tweaking and additions, could become a 'good' game.

So, I will not be subscribing, but will be keeping a close eye on it in the future.

But, don't take my word for it, what I dislike you may like, grab that open beta key and give it a shot yourself, its the only way to know if YOU are going to like it or not.

I completely agree with the OP on this subject.

I would like to add one thing that's been bugging me since it was announced that Champions is going to have a cash shop.

The fact that WoW has micro transactions (the TGC is a micro transaction, it's just disguised and super expensive.. so maybe it's more of a macro transaction system) + sub, EQ2 has micro transactions + sub, CoX has micro transactions + sub, yet for some reason none of those seem to matter and CO is doomed because of it's cash shop.

The other thing that's been bugging me is everyone saying content is going to be left out of the game due to Cryptic wanting to sell it in the cash shop.

This may very well happen, but complaining about it before it actually does happen is just stupid. It's like complaining that you didn't get a promotion at work, months before the interviews even take place.

The way I see it is that Cryptic wants to develop more costume sets after the game is released, but they couldn't justify spending the development time on them unless they were getting compensated and they wanted to make the sets available right after they were completed instead of waiting months to release an expansion.

Hence, cash shop. Here's some items that would either not be available at all, or would not be available for a very long time, but they're making them available right away for a small fee. I see nothing wrong with that.

Originally posted by Dark-Asylum

 CoX did obviously not have anything remotely close to the form of your typical cash shop, but however, you could purchase costume sets, costume auras, and costume switching animations, as well as additional character slots and respecs. You don't hear anyone giving two stinks about any of this.

My thoughts exactly.  I've been playin CoX for quite some time now and I have spent money on getting the good vs evil bonus item package and a few of the other item packs you can buy.  My guess would be most of the items are gona be that type of content.  The items that will have an effect on your character will also be available to unlock through game play.  Myself personally, I will probably not bother buying those.  I'd rather work at it and earn them.  Regardless this game does look like it has some great potential despite all the controversy and speculation lately about the micro transactions and the extreme nerfs that I've been reading about around forums. 

I still want to try it.  Who cares about all that stuff?  I thought we played games because they were fun?  At least that's why I play. I'll give it a shot and if I don't have fun playing it I won't, whether there's micro transactions or not.  People need to just relax and give the game a chance to entertain them and not jump the gun before it even hits the shelf.

Whether you like these cash shops or hate them, I think we had all better get used to them.  I have a feeling that more and more companies will be adopting this sub fee plus cash shop feature.  SOE has been doing something similar for a few years now.  The consoles even have their own forms of this.  And the 8 trillion pound gorilla of WoW even has something similar where you can now make cosmetic changes to your character for a small fee.  I have a feeling these "micro-transactions," as sony calles them, are the wave of the future in MMO gaming.

At first I wasn't a big fan of these cash shops, but I'm comming around tot he idea.  Honestly its suprising that the companies held out doing this as long as they did.  Its been going on since the start of MMOs with gold farmers and leveling services.  The companies were bound to figure they could be making that money instead of the gold farmers.  

The good thins here with Champions is that, at least for now, they are syaing the shops will only be selling cosmetic items and nothing that will directly effect your character.