Will it fail like AoC and WAR?  Possibly.

AoC and WAR's biggest failure was hyping all these great features, claiming themselves to be the next best MMO, then when the players actually play the game, they see it isn't as impressive in-game as it is on paper.

Do I think this could happen to Aion?  Definitely.  I personally found both AoC and WAR to be more entertaining than Aion.  To me, there just isn't anything impressive about Aion aside from the pretty visuals.  There are better games out there (better F2P games even).

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by rr2real

Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO 

 

It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.

 

Yeah that is why Tabula Rasa was such a smashing success.    ::rolls her eyes::

 

Guild Wars, lineage, lineage2, Aion, CoH on the other hand are

Guild Wars is free to play.   Lineage and Lineage 2 maybe have what 50k subscribers in the US.   CoH might have what 150k subscribers US - if that?    We're talking about the US market here...not Asian.    So tossing Lineage and Lineage 2 into this catagory is like throwing gasoline on a fire.   We know their doing well in Asia, but in the US...they just are not.

Well the fact is, it's NOT just about the states. A game's success is based on how it is doing everywhere. Sorry but using that to justify you're slander just doesn't work.

Originally posted by Mazin

Fail like WAR and AOC, nah I don't think so.  From what I've heard the game is to polished for that.

But I don't think it's going to garner the succes that alot of people here are predicting either, it will be doing good imo if it can hold 1mil subscribers after 1 year in the west.  I highly doubt it will.

Yeah, I think you're probably right.  I just don't see how any new game at this point is going to be able to do what some want-least not until its been out for some time if for no other reason because the content amount is just going to be smaller compared to some other games that have been out for a while.  However, over time I think a game could gain a steady inflow of population if the developers do a good job with adding content , properly managing server population levels, and are good at fixing bugs/gameplay issues.

It could eventually have quite a high number of players but I would imagine initially they'll have a huge influx of players followed by a dropoff in players after the first few months.  Where the popultaion goes after that is up to the creativity of the developers and how well the company does at managing and marketing the mmo.

I wasn't really interested in this title myself.  I wasn't inclined one way or the other about it really, but I have come accross a beta invite so I suppose I'll be able to make a better judgement after I play the beta event.

Originally posted by Teala

 

Guild Wars is free to play.   Lineage and Lineage 2 maybe have what 50k subscribers in the US.   CoH might have what 150k subscribers US - if that?    We're talking about the US market here...not Asian.    So tossing Lineage and Lineage 2 into this catagory is like throwing gasoline on a fire.   We know their doing well in Asia, but in the US...they just are not.

Was OP asking bout the west? thought it was just fail in general

The problem with mentalities are that you are using mentalities.

Such shocking words like  "fail" and "rape" and other extreme ones used for common descriptions sterilize the community in regards to impressions and also make it common to be on each extreme edge of the spectrum.

Which is sad really, because everything either "sucks ass" or is "awesome beyond anything ive ever seen!".

Objectivity used to be good.

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by rr2real

Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO 

 

It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.

 

Yeah that is why Tabula Rasa was such a smashing success.    ::rolls her eyes::

 

Guild Wars, lineage, lineage2, Aion, CoH on the other hand are

 

Guild Wars is free to play.   Lineage and Lineage 2 maybe have what 50k subscribers in the US.   CoH might have what 150k subscribers US - if that?    We're talking about the US market here...not Asian.    So tossing Lineage and Lineage 2 into this catagory is like throwing gasoline on a fire.   We know their doing well in Asia, but in the US...they just are not.

I thought we migrated to talking about NCSoft and their success with games. GW being free has nothing to do with the fact it's successful.

Originally posted by Baggs

Having played a Spirit Master to level 38 in Chinese retail, i didn't feel like i accomplished something.

 

Let me explain.

 

The game is basically a gank fest.

As much as i love PvP (playing DFO atm), AION just fails to deliver "proper" PvP fights.

There's nothing there to stop a 10-15 man group jumping you while you're doing your quests or simply grinding.

They don't even need to be higher level that you, you cannot kill more than 2, maybe 3 maximum of them.

The 2-hour-recharging Rifts encourage this by limiting the access to the PvP content.

 

Abyss : Best PvE zone in the game.

Don't kid yourself, you won't be going there to PvP, mobs give double the amount of EXP than world mobs.

Some die twice as fast as well.

 

Fortress Sieges : PvE content.

To capture a Fortress, all you have to do is kill a raid boss. Yes you read it right, a mob.

On top of that, there's no real reward for defending it.

So people in Chinese and Korean servers just capture it one day and then leave it undefended for the other faction to have it the next day. More rewards for everyone this way.

 

Abyss Points and Gear : Mostly useless.

Abyss Gear is good only when you buy the gold versions of it and only useful for certain classes/builds.

Also, the main way to get Abyss Points is ganking.

Take a 6+ man group, go through a rift and go gank anything you can until either some high levels kill you, or if you are high level yourself; kill untul you are bored of it.

Another way is mobs and enemy NPCs, which was the main way of obtaining AP for some guild in AION CN.

 

All in all, the game won't fall flat on its face, but its not for the average PvP powergamer.

Nothing exciting about AION imo, except the graphics and the well coded shadows and textures which make it run great even on low end machines.

 

Anyone who likes/plays/worships World of Warcraft will most likely waste a few years of his/her life on AION.

OK for 1 thats the fucking chinese server, WE ARE IN AMERICA!!!! ive have played every beta and so far, about the rift shit, ur full of crap, u can kill more than 2 or 3, and even in the beta there are 20+ man raids, against elten, and i had killed 64 people within about 1 1/2 and taht was just me.. i was only lvl 21... again were in america, when we do raids, WE DO RAIDS!!

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by rr2real

Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO 

 

It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.

i almost bought Tabula Rasa and Auto Assault .... that would have been Hellgate, WAR, AoC, Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa all about... eeek 

Originally posted by Soupism

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by rr2real

Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO 

 

It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.

 

Yeah that is why Tabula Rasa was such a smashing success.    ::rolls her eyes::

 

Guild Wars, lineage, lineage2, Aion, CoH on the other hand are

 

Guild Wars is free to play.   Lineage and Lineage 2 maybe have what 50k subscribers in the US.   CoH might have what 150k subscribers US - if that?    We're talking about the US market here...not Asian.    So tossing Lineage and Lineage 2 into this catagory is like throwing gasoline on a fire.   We know their doing well in Asia, but in the US...they just are not.

 

I thought we migrated to talking about NCSoft and their success with games. GW being free has nothing to do with the fact it's successful.

That's the only reason I tried it.

Originally posted by Soupism

The problem with mentalities are that you are using mentalities.

Such shocking words like  "fail" and "rape" and other extreme ones used for common descriptions sterilize the community in regards to impressions and also make it common to be on each extreme edge of the spectrum.

Which is sad really, because everything either "sucks ass" or is "awesome beyond anything ive ever seen!".

Objectivity used to be good.

+1 to Soupism. However, you most likely just confused about 98% of the population that comes here.

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by rr2real

Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO 

 

It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.

Tabula Rasa. Auto Assault?

Really?

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Guild Wars, lineage, lineage2, Aion, CoH on the other hand are

1. Guild Wars isn't an MMO. No sub fee.

2. L1 and L2 were complete disasters in the west. They have more bots then players.

3. AION. We'll see it's not out in the west yet.

4. CoH has under a 150k subs. If the mouthbreathers consider WAR a failure at 300k subs then CoH is a complete waste of bandwidth.

Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

Originally posted by Spaceweed10

Originally posted by rr2real

Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO 

 

It won't fail because of one significant difference from the other two - NCSoft is a knowledgable and professional gaming company.

 

Tabula Rasa. Auto Assault?

 

Really?

 

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Guild Wars, lineage, lineage2, Aion, CoH on the other hand are

 

1. Guild Wars isn't an MMO. No sub fee.

2. L1 and L2 were complete disasters in the west. They have more bots then players.

3. AION. We'll see it's not out in the west yet.

4. CoH has under a 150k subs. If the mouthbreathers consider WAR a failure at 300k subs then CoH is a complete waste of bandwidth.

As many MMO's as they have put out, how many have failed? 2 maybe 3.

I still see Aion retaining many subs after it's initial launch.

Will Aion fail just like WAR and AOC?

Nope, it won't fail for the same reasons. If it does fail it will be for completely different ones. (possibly by not dealing with cheaters/ exploiters)

You know, about 3 years ago when I learned how to program, I would end up with almost 3 pages of code just to make a stick figure do a somerfault. It had bugs, it had issues, and only about 40% of the time it worked.

But I kept trying different things to get that same godamn stick figure to flip. I even tried different colors, different shapes, more arms, more legs, whatever. (Also even used different programming languages)

Now I have it down to about 50 lines and just about 99.9% success rate.

Point being is that it is near IMPOSSIBLE to get something good on your first try. You learn from your mistakes.

Let's hope Aion is proof of that.

 As to "aion is out yet" its been out for almost a year, its just that you carnt play it. Or are all those millions of subscribers just paying beta testers.

 WAR, AoC and Aion are in reality  of "simliar" release vintage. Its laughable that the aion  fanbois compare Aion 1.5 as the aion release to that of WAR 1.0 and Aoc 1.0. Given the development of both WAR and AoC all 3 games are compareable to each other.

What game you choose is probaly more in line with the style of game you want to play rather than 1 being uber and 1 being fail.

Experience of Server stabilty is probably a major factor in how one veiws each game. I have few problem with AoC- its more PC based as to your experience , WAR was generally ok with bad moments high volume pvp -mainly server side problems, Aion last 2 betas have been unplayable - server side problems refer to the multi page sticky in aion forums.

 If you want a honest opinion about the game then http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/240629/page/1 is probably one of the few in these forums, he points out flaws and gives you an idea of how the game is at high levels, unlike many of the 1 sided rosey colored posts by the fanbois in this forum. 

Its not doomed, but it is basically a pvp mmo.  So my guess is no more than 500k US subscribers 6 months after release.

I just can't get that graph on page 7(i think) out of my head. To me it shows that WoW has a very steep learning curve, because time seems to go up. So little time in wow makes the skill required to succeed increase by alot. EVE on the other hand has a very slow learning curve until the end. First it's getting sligthly harder, then it doesn't get harder at all, and gets easier, and poof difficulty goes up like crazy. Are you sure you put the time and gaming skill on the right axis? Also why don't you see the beginning of the curves? EVE starts when you've played it for a long time already.

Originally posted by rr2real

Curious cause I don't want to buy another doomed MMO 

Aion was a success in Korea, China, and Taiwan, come on man you know Aion is gonna be a success, probably not in EU and North America, but definitely in Asia.

Originally posted by Vizza

I just can't get that graph on page 7(i think) out of my head. To me it shows that WoW has a very steep learning curve, because time seems to go up. So little time in wow makes the skill required to succeed increase by alot. EVE on the other hand has a very slow learning curve until the end. First it's getting sligthly harder, then it doesn't get harder at all, and gets easier, and poof difficulty goes up like crazy. Are you sure you put the time and gaming skill on the right axis? Also why don't you see the beginning of the curves? EVE starts when you've played it for a long time already.

O yes funny i thought the same ^^,

proof in the pudding for mixed up axes is the start of the graphs.

I think Aion will survive for a long time. IMHO i dont think that asian gamers and euro/NA are so different

when it comes to P2P games. I think it just might have more to do with the advertisement.

Both will stick around if the gameplay is solid.

Aion will never beat WoW thats for sure. as EU player i dont like asian mmorpg styles, they way too cute/happy/pretty/emo/darkevil/big boobies and most asian games make ur char look like 9 year old boy sex fantasy. Tis game wont be come very popular in EU, and i dont think US really care either tis kind cute shit.

But again there is a lot "wierd" nerds that want play tis cutepie/cookie. maeby its fun look 16 year old asian female chars half naked.

But in end; will be doomed game with few player.

Ps, remember asian people dont have soul, they not same as we EU/US, u cant trust them taste. Or do u like eat dogs and cats? though so.

Originally posted by Nazradin

 

 As to "aion is out yet" its been out for almost a year, its just that you carnt play it. Or are all those millions of subscribers just paying beta testers.

 WAR, AoC and Aion are in reality  of "simliar" release vintage. Its laughable that the aion  fanbois compare Aion 1.5 as the aion release to that of WAR 1.0 and Aoc 1.0. Given the development of both WAR and AoC all 3 games are compareable to each other.

. 

I am going to have to disagree with you there. I have a current AoC account, 3 level 80's, have done all the raid content including killing Levi, done plenty of sieges on both sides..... basically, I have done everything AoC has to offer.

Now having said that, the beta version of Aion that I have been playing the last few weekends (which is not 1.5) is well beyond AoC in content as well as stability. I have not had one crash to desktop while playing Aion, nor have I seen mobs or even complete zones bug out to the point where they are unkill/playable.

Originally posted by Arskaaa

Aion will never beat WoW thats for sure. as EU player i dont like asian mmorpg styles, they way too cute/happy/pretty/emo/darkevil/big boobies and most asian games make ur char look like 9 year old boy sex fantasy. Tis game wont be come very popular in EU, and i dont think US really care either tis kind cute shit.

 

But again there is a lot "wierd" nerds that want play tis cutepie/cookie. maeby its fun look 16 year old asian female chars half naked.

 

 

But in end; will be doomed game with few player.

 

 

Ps, remember asian people dont have soul, they not same as we EU/US, u cant trust them taste. Or do u like eat dogs and cats? though so.

If anything keep Aion from being a great success in the West it will be ignorant xenophobes like this guy ^

Aion is already successful in the East but the jury is still out in the West. My guess it will be some short-lived success in the West  because people need to fill their mmo addiction until they find a better mmo. Aion will reap the glory because everything else is either old or average at best.

Originally posted by natuxatu

Well the fact is, it's NOT just about the states. A game's success is based on how it is doing everywhere. Sorry but using that to justify you're slander just doesn't work.

We care about the success of the game in our region, because even if it's a success in Asia, they might not take care as much as they should be in the region where it is not a success.