The subs are increasing a lot, and people are coming back from summer fun, and coming back after a few major flaws have been fixed. I give it 1 or 2 more patch and if A V's is smart then they should advertise heavily, but atm I see new people everday day.

Both on EU and I heard report on NA as well, someone is advertising something for darkfall.

it is great riding around again and finding people.

Graveyard had like 6 sieges in the passed 4 days, was truly epic times.

Some major flaws right now with the game are, Massive grind and/or lack of skill cap and/or magic overpowered.

But adding a skill cap of some sort even just for magic would make a lot of the grind and magic overpower go away.

Plus melee and archery specializations are in the next big patch( tasos word is expansion because they are a indie company so big patch = expansion to them) so this might help  balance stuff out.

But I expect a nerf on magic and a buff to melee/archery and more limits on the jack of all trade crafts.

Plus I checked out MO and it is in alpha state, anyone who denies that are worse then DFo fanboys.

Originally posted by Izure

The subs are increasing a lot...

Based on what evidence?  What's the current clan count and is it for EU or NA?  A lot compared to what?  If there were 7k (for example) total NA customers, how many more would constitute "a lot"?

The NA Server has only been open for 1 month as yesterday.  How many of the first round of players (assuming they signed up on the first day) have renewed their membership beyond the initial "free" month?  How many have joined NA  since launch and are still in their first month honeymoon phase? I'd love to see a clan count gathered this week and again for every two weeks for the next month or so.

~Ripper

Originally posted by miagisan

#132 ranked

193 players

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

hehe, yeah that is pretty pathetic.

AoC has got about 10x as many players and that game has an aproximate of 100k of subscribers. That leaves Darkfall with around 10k subscribers. This game is history, put it out of its misery already.

I counted the clan numbers on NA last week and came up with approximately 5000.

The top 20 clans have: 2033

The next 20: 982

The next 20: 568

The 61st clan has 20 members and I assumed an average of 10 per clan over the balance of clans.

While some of these may now be inactive it means that at a minimum, 5000 people have bought a NA account and joined a guild. Maybe that means 7000 in total have bought a NA account ( I see a lot of unguilded players).

I will monitor this over time.

Everyones definition of fanboi is different, but I have certainly been a fanboi of Ultima Online, Lineage2, WoW and Darkfall at various times. I was also probably a fanboi of Wizardry on the Apple 2e and Speedball2 on the Amiga. I've been around a while and played many games. I currently love playing Darkfall.

Originally posted by marcust

I counted the clan numbers on NA last week and came up with approximately 5000.

The top 20 clans have: 2033

The next 20: 982

The next 20: 568

The 61st clan has 20 members and I assumed an average of 10 per clan over the balance of clans.

While some of these may now be inactive it means that at a minimum, 5000 people have bought a NA account and joined a guild. Maybe that means 7000 in total have bought a NA account ( I see a lot of unguilded players).

I will monitor this over time.

Everyones definition of fanboi is different, but I have certainly been a fanboi of Ultima Online, Lineage2, WoW and Darkfall at various times. I was also probably a fanboi of Wizardry on the Apple 2e and Speedball2 on the Amiga. I've been around a while and played many games. I currently love playing Darkfall.

Thanks for the reply, marcust.  When I last published my EU clan membership figures at the end of May, there were ~15k total clan players for EU after the game had been out 3 months.  At this point, everybody should know that the clan membership total normally includes both ex-players and deleted characters, so it's a maximum possible count of clan membership at most. Still, it's a good baseline. As far as the NA numbers go, the total clan count seems really, really low (1/3 of EU) and it might include some deleted characters, but it won't (at least as of last week) included any ex-players, because the first billing cycle hadn't yet completed.

So, it's been out a month and it's about 5k?  Even if the non-clan player count wsa abnormally high (say 5k), that's still only a grand total of 10k players on a server that's allegedly capable of handling up to 10k concurrent users.  Even if NA had 10k players, which I very highly doubt, how many of them are logged in concurrently?  Even with an abnormally high concurrency of 50%, that'd still only be 5k players in a world designed to hold twice as many.  Total concurrency during non-peak hours is almost certainly much, much lower, which means the real big world is real empty except for isolated hotspots.  Boo.

Personally, I don't think they should ever have opened a second server.   They just don't have the population to support it.

~Ripper

Originally posted by KlazartSC

 I'm not a darkfall player, nor do I support the game.

 

However. When WoW was first released in the US, I had to pay 70 Euroes to play it. This is because I had to import a US copy of the game and Irish customs tacked on like 20-30 euro in some kind of wierd import tax onto the box. A few months later the game was released in Europe. There were not only no character transfers, there wasn't even the possiblity of one down the line in the near or far future. I had to chose to either play on the US servers or buy a new copy.

In the end, due to time zones, IRL friends and other factors, I bought a new copy to play on the EU servers.

I'm not saying the Darkfall devs are golden, but on this issue, it seems unfair that they are being singled out for something that SEEMS to be an industry standard. You can complain that this should change, throughout the industry, but don't blame darkfall like it's some new kind of scam they just came up with.

Doesn't really compare. The releasedates of WoW were quite known in the end and they made it absolutely clear before release that US and EU would be completely seperated. So in the end you should've known this and still you first imported a US copy. So no offense, but it's your own fault you wasted 70 euros to get the game early :)

#143

on a weekend

just sayin.........

Originally posted by miagisan

#143

on a weekend

just sayin.........

#143 out of all games. Considering this is a quite niche sandbox MMOG from a small indie developer that is only 5 (?) months old I think even 143 is quite good.

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by javac

www.xfire.com/games/darkfall/Darkfall/

 

almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month.

 

They released a NA server, they got a decent number of NA players who use xfire.

However, their handling of NA players on EU has lowered that curve significantly. Theres about 1000 of us who are stuck on EU who are rather pissed off AV isnt letting us play.

/signed

i want to play

Originally posted by samf

Originally posted by miagisan

#143

on a weekend

just sayin.........

 

#143 out of all games. Considering this is a quite niche sandbox MMOG from a small indie developer that is only 5 (?) months old I think even 143 is quite good.

LOL, it's falling faster then a hooker's pants at a frat party.

143, an 11 point drop in a week is good? ROFLMAO

Originally posted by javac

i love how trollbois are trying to spin this obvious upward trend as meaning nothing or being somehow negative.

 

Ave are about to open a third server, official forum registered accounts are still going up by 500 per week, clan counts from the actual game show an steady upward trend since the expansion and now xfire also shows solid growth in both users and playtime. quite the contrast to eg: WAR which has now closed 63 servers since release, or AOC which is also on life support.

 

Just another case of the emperor has no clothes.

On one hand you ask us to trust the Xfire info but what you fail to mention is that every other game you name ranks higher than Darkfall on X-Fire, and honestly if these numbers are going higher let's just see it from the horses mouth some numbers straight from AV that shows these increases I get the feeling that Tasos as big an ass as he is would just love to throw that in our faces if the increase was great enough to warrant bragging about like this thread suggests.

Originally posted by javac

www.xfire.com/games/darkfall/Darkfall/

 

almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month.

Or Some players have spent a bit more time playing, with that little number all trends seems huge. But even if it doubled they are still far from Vanguard. X-fire numbers are not perfect for measuring sub numbers, particulary with small games.

And MO isn't out yet either.

DF need a 100% growth every month for at least 6 months to start actually making money.

It is not unlikely that the american server got some more people interested and that is good if it is true but don't start celebrating yet. I am not sure about what subnumber DF needs to get even but I doubt it is under 75K (WARs is 250K, or at least it was before EA fired a lot of Mythic, but WAR costed more). Maybe they can keep on running it with 50K players but they are still far from that.

They will probably have to have 4 servers running to keep up the game long term unless they can get money some other way, MMOs are expensive.

 This might be my favorite game that I will never play... the threads just give me far too much entertainment :)

Glad to see subs are "increasing rapidly" till I heard it was from XFire.  Keep it up though guys, you'll prove it to the haters one day...or maybe when you -actually- prove the numbers :P

Originally posted by Shoju

Originally posted by khartman2005

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by HanoverZ

Originally posted by javac

www.xfire.com/games/darkfall/Darkfall/

 

almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month.

 

Things are looking up!

 

Oh wait,

3-18-09 Xfire Rank = 50   ( EU Server was still in limited release and difficult to get, login queues, 3 payment options)

Present Xfire Rank = 138  (NA server launched,"Expansion" released, 6 payment options, anyone can "Buy Now" NA/EU)

 

Yet Xfire numbers are still down 275%

 

 

 

 

It will be interesting to see how that can be spun into a positive.......

 

Give it time.. Javac will be back in here trying to put a spin on it.

Word.

Javac will most probably start throwing around that less than 1% of DarkFall players use x-fire, so if you extrapolate that less than 1%, multiply that by the number of hairs on an aardvarks back, divide by Betelgeuse....carry the 5......account for variations in the southern trade winds and factor in the number of teenagers searching for porn on the the internet, you can cleary calculate that DarkFall will over 200k subscribers by the end of next week.

The math makes the outcome absolute and irrefutible.

OMFG you got my wife asking if I need her to call the doctor for me!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by L0k1-

 

Doesn't really compare. The releasedates of WoW were quite known in the end and they made it absolutely clear before release that US and EU would be completely seperated. So in the end you should've known this and still you first imported a US copy. So no offense, but it's your own fault you wasted 70 euros to get the game early :)

Exactly, I don't think most of the new players understand that the early beta buyers were told they only need to buy 1 account and they can play on any server.   I really don't understand why DF backed out on their own words.   Its understandable to tell players they have to pay for a fee for a transfer of their current character, but its ridiculous to ask someone to buy the game twice when many purchased with the understanding that they did not have to.

Originally posted by Yauchy

 This might be my favorite game that I will never play... the threads just give me far too much entertainment :)

Glad to see subs are "increasing rapidly" till I heard it was from XFire.  Keep it up though guys, you'll prove it to the haters one day...or maybe when you -actually- prove the numbers :P

I totally agree I will never give this turd even a kb of memory on my rig but I wish for the sake of comedy relief that it lives on life support so we can constantly get posts like these, it's hard to find a thread fourteen pages long with so much entertainment value better than going to the movies...

Javec is pretty retarded.

But so are all of you kids that come on the Darkfall forum just to argue with him.

I really doubt Darkfall's sub's are rapidly increasing, if increasing at all, but I will say, Darkfall was an experience in it's own. I have played everything from WoW to Age of Conan as well as just about every f2p out there, I even played l2 private servers...

But Darkfall's pvp, community, politics, sieging, battles, and all the people I played with in that game, make it probably the best 3 months I've EVER had in an mmo. I would HIGHLY reccomend everyone to try this game, if it was 3 months ago when the game was still full of people, politics, and pvp, I don't know now, I guess the premature buggy launch mixed with everyone who's job in life to hate on the game never really gave the game a real fighting chance to last for years.

Don't take this as my jizzing all over the game and it's amazing atm etc etc, the game had issues, the main way to PvE was by bugging mounts into walls, and you had to do this to be competetive. Their were bugs all over the game, albeit some made the game funner "kinda" (refering to the mana to stam on mount bug as well as the parry stam mount bug, also there was the water bug which made you swim faster in water.) The game also was too big, as funny as it sounds, pvp became harder to find as people quit, the end game magic skills was the equivalent of an "I WIN" button in 1v1's. Probably the reason I quit. When I saw my own clan mate with 2 100 elemental schools kill 7 people coming into Aradoth by him when he was in a robe, I sort of face palmed at the game. Not to mention you couldn't be competetive as a NA player playing on EU, it's deffinetely not close to accurate when you shoot archery. If you think some of your shots on CS or CSS don't reg when someone's moving, you will be flabbergasted being NA playing EU using a bow.

However, I'd do anything for the first 3 months of EU again. If a competent company took control of this game, it could deffinetely be a top mmo in my eyes. But I guess that will always be a "what if".

:/

-Darkfall's very own Bill O'Reilly.

Based on your own limited game playing experience as you so stated above I can see where you could get all misty eyed over DnF.

Of course those of us that have a bit more experience, like 2 times or more what you have see it for what it is.

Glad you are enjoying it, the rest of us have moved on and are just sitting around eating popcorn watching the slow but inevitable fall into oblivion.

Originally posted by daywalker27

I guess the premature buggy launch mixed with everyone who's job in life to hate on the game never really gave the game a real fighting chance to last for years.

 

And who exactly are you to judge how people should play/try a game?

Really, this is the last line of defense for those who are kinda out of arguments. People hate the game now because of everything that has transpired since we could play it for the first time. If the game was as good as it was hyped, the hostility would be sparse and personal.

At this point, the hostility is factual, based on experience, and well deserved.

Originally posted by javac

www.xfire.com/games/darkfall/Darkfall/

 

almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month.

I cant believe you guys are still trying to convince the MMO community that the piss poor game you love is increasing rapidly.  If these threads were true DF should have WoW numbers by now. By  all means keep trying to convince others to join a sorry excuse for a game.

Originally posted by toddze

Originally posted by javac

www.xfire.com/games/darkfall/Darkfall/

 

almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month.

I cant believe you guys are still trying to convince the MMO community that the piss poor game you love is increasing rapidly.  If these threads were true DF should have WoW numbers by now. By  all means keep trying to convince others to join a sorry excuse for a game.

They make most of us players hang our heads in shame to be honest.

Isn't the OP like a mod or something over on the official Darkfall forum?  If he is the guy I'm thinking of, then...yeah.  Nuff said.

Originally posted by gotha

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by javac

www.xfire.com/games/darkfall/Darkfall/

 

almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month.

 

They released a NA server, they got a decent number of NA players who use xfire.

However, their handling of NA players on EU has lowered that curve significantly. Theres about 1000 of us who are stuck on EU who are rather pissed off AV isnt letting us play.

 

/signed

i want to play

Yea, it's tough leaving a character who has mad skills due to being able to use a non drop weapon and shoot at the air or ones feet with it.     The game changed radically and every one knows it.    To allow any easy mode leveled character to move from EU to NA on day 1 would of been insane.     I do feel AV should have allowed those on EU who wanted to delete their character and roll new on NA to do so, but they explained the legal reasons why they couldn't.  Some buy it; some don't; I could care less personally.

Some on EU are just far too stubborn and attached to their *cough* progress *cough*.   I cancelled, saved $45 on the 90-days I would have had to wait to transfer; spent $50 to start on NA on Day 1, and after just a month, am actually close to where my highest character on EU was.    Reason is my ping is 30, not 225, and I play more because of it.    Leveling skills the old faashioned way works in this game.  I can only speak for myself, as that's the way I play.   So in the end, changing to NA cost me $5, compared to waiting, but actually I made out, because I got a free month.

No one is stopping you from joining NA today but you, and perhaps some sense of being wronged which really, unless you are an attorney educated on the associated tax ramificatinos of international business and have seen how AV is setup in both parts of the world, is pure speculation.   Spend your time and stress on things that actually matter; there is no shortage of them.

-CC

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by gotha

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by javac

www.xfire.com/games/darkfall/Darkfall/

 

almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month.

 

They released a NA server, they got a decent number of NA players who use xfire.

However, their handling of NA players on EU has lowered that curve significantly. Theres about 1000 of us who are stuck on EU who are rather pissed off AV isnt letting us play.

 

/signed

i want to play

 

Yea, it's tough leaving a character who has mad skills due to being able to use a non drop weapon and shoot at the air or ones feet with it.     The game changed radically and every one knows it.    To allow any easy mode leveled character to move from EU to NA on day 1 would of been insane.     I do feel AV should have allowed those on EU who wanted to delete their character and roll new on NA to do so, but they explained the legal reasons why they couldn't.  Some buy it; some don't; I could care less personally.

Some on EU are just far too stubborn and attached to their *cough* progress *cough*.   I cancelled, saved $45 on the 90-days I would have had to wait to transfer; spent $50 to start on NA on Day 1, and after just a month, am actually close to where my highest character on EU was.    Reason is my ping is 30, not 225, and I play more because of it.    Leveling skills the old faashioned way works in this game.  I can only speak for myself, as that's the way I play.   So in the end, changing to NA cost me $5, compared to waiting, but actually I made out, because I got a free month.

No one is stopping you from joining NA today but you, and perhaps some sense of being wronged which really, unless you are an attorney educated on the associated tax ramificatinos of international business and have seen how AV is setup in both parts of the world, is pure speculation.   Spend your time and stress on things that actually matter; there is no shortage of them.

-CC

Well said :) I stayed on EU, for now.

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by gotha

Originally posted by Pyrostasis

Originally posted by javac

www.xfire.com/games/darkfall/Darkfall/

 

almost 100% growth in playtime according to XFire in a single month.

 

They released a NA server, they got a decent number of NA players who use xfire.

However, their handling of NA players on EU has lowered that curve significantly. Theres about 1000 of us who are stuck on EU who are rather pissed off AV isnt letting us play.

 

/signed

i want to play

 

Yea, it's tough leaving a character who has mad skills due to being able to use a non drop weapon and shoot at the air or ones feet with it.     The game changed radically and every one knows it.    To allow any easy mode leveled character to move from EU to NA on day 1 would of been insane.     I do feel AV should have allowed those on EU who wanted to delete their character and roll new on NA to do so, but they explained the legal reasons why they couldn't.  Some buy it; some don't; I could care less personally.

Some on EU are just far too stubborn and attached to their *cough* progress *cough*.   I cancelled, saved $45 on the 90-days I would have had to wait to transfer; spent $50 to start on NA on Day 1, and after just a month, am actually close to where my highest character on EU was.    Reason is my ping is 30, not 225, and I play more because of it.    Leveling skills the old faashioned way works in this game.  I can only speak for myself, as that's the way I play.   So in the end, changing to NA cost me $5, compared to waiting, but actually I made out, because I got a free month.

No one is stopping you from joining NA today but you, and perhaps some sense of being wronged which really, unless you are an attorney educated on the associated tax ramificatinos of international business and have seen how AV is setup in both parts of the world, is pure speculation.   Spend your time and stress on things that actually matter; there is no shortage of them.

-CC

After 90 days, the waiting period for the transfers, you will have spent ~$80.  That's $35 more than you would have spent had you just waited the 90 days.  Granted, we don't know how much the transfers will cost (they won't be free), so we don't know how much extra net money you'll have paid in total, but as of now, it's $35.   You haven't "made out" at all.  All you've done is pay Aventurine even more money than you otherwise would have.  The only way you'll make out is if the transfer costs more than you've paid for the privilege of starting anew ($40, for example).  If it's anything less than $35, you'll have paid extra.

Irrespective of the cost, the server population on NA has never reached the peaks it did on EU.  It appears to have simply fractured the already small playerbase. 

~Ripper