Then people will finally realise how horrible, boring and (unless you consider grinding for 10h+) with no actual difficulty except tank and spank fights with the odd AoE was They should also make that vanilla server with the exact bugs that vanilla had, so you can fully experience the glory of it.

Hold up you just basically described vanilla WoW boss fights.......

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Hold up you just basically described vanilla WoW boss fights.......

Yeah, that's what I inteded to do.

I think the majority didn't enjoy the 40-man raids, hence the change in Burning Crusade. I sure found 40 man raids quite troublesome. I actually quit a few months before Burning Crusade because of the difficulty at high-end raids and the rewardless system. PvP was actually even worse, I don't even want to imagine what those people had to go through to get the highest PvP rank and hold it.

I think Blizzard' answer for the huge addiction was to dumb down the difficulty so casual players could participate in the end-content too.

ight just wanted to make sure i read that right :)

I'd prefer a season 3 server.

Is this your attempt at saying vanilla WoW is worst than WoW with the expansions? 

season's 2-3 were definatly the hardest in repects to the fact that the classes were about as balanced as one would expect from a game thats mostly pve orientated.

Originally posted by Frostbite05

season's 2-3 were definatly the hardest in repects to the fact that the classes were about as balanced as one would expect from a game thats mostly pve orientated.

Agreed. Wrath arena is just a joke.

Originally posted by Bureyku

Is this your attempt at saying vanilla WoW is worst than WoW with the expansions? 

The worst.  If you didn't enjoy S2 and S3 overall PvP and difficulty of Kael and Vashj and you say that they were easier than vanilla, then sorry dude, you never played WoW.

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Bureyku

Is this your attempt at saying vanilla WoW is worst than WoW with the expansions? 

The worst.  If you didn't enjoy S2 and S3 overall PvP and difficulty of Kael and Vashj and you say that they were easier than vanilla, then sorry dude, you never played WoW.

I'm gonna take a guess here...You never did AQ40? And running it at 70/80 doesn't count.

Well the first couple months of WoW were the best to me with world PvP breaking out everywhere.  I would actually go back and play if they released a level 1-60 no expansion server with no BG's and added some world non instanced raid mobs and more group enforced content.  I would be all over that shite.

WoW is crap right now in my eyes and no because it doesn't have badass systems in place, great combat, and interesting graphical style, but because the game is about racing solo through the content up to end game and then doing the same instanced content over and over again on an endless gear grinding treadmill with 'expansions' that reset everything.  It's just... the opposite of what a MMORPG should be in my eyes.

Not saying it isn't godlike in yours and isn't a badass game that millions and billions of people love.  It just isn't my cup of tea...  so anyway I disagree with you sort of...  Since arena is really not all that cool to me.

Originally posted by Thenarius

Then people will finally realise how horrible, boring and (unless you consider grinding for 10h+) with no actual difficulty except tank and spank fights with the odd AoE was They should also make that vanilla server with the exact bugs that vanilla had, so you can fully experience the glory of it.

I'd particulalry like to experience the glory of all the hacks they have since removed.  People soloing BWL a week after it was added was a pretty common occurrence.

Originally posted by Bureyku

Well the first couple months of WoW were the best to me with world PvP breaking out everywhere.  I would actually go back and play if they released a level 1-60 no expansion server with no BG's and added some world non instanced raid mobs and more group enforced content.  I would be all over that shite.

WoW is crap right now in my eyes and no because it doesn't have badass systems in place, great combat, and interesting graphical style, but because the game is about racing solo through the content up to end game and then doing the same instanced content over and over again on an endless gear grinding treadmill with 'expansions' that reset everything.  It's just... the opposite of what a MMORPG should be in my eyes.

Not saying it isn't godlike in yours and isn't a badass game that millions and billions of people love.  It just isn't my cup of tea...  so anyway I disagree with you sort of...  Since arena is really not all that cool to me.

There was plenty of world PvP in BC on my server, mainly twink drama and getting their 70 buddies in Gurubashi, mostly resulting in 30v30s  back and forth in STV, raging twinks and a lot of fun not to mention, Ogri'la bomb quests, where you could get people killed with your flying mount and see how funny they raged and then 2.4, with Isle of Gank'danas. Hell, even Halaa was nice in its way.
Now that WOTLK came, well...phased content and sanctuary makes AT dailies pretty carebearish and annoying. New 3.2 island did nothing and Grizzly Hills/WG forced WPVP is...well, forced.
I'm just saying, there was plenty of WPVP on my server in BC, it wasn't "ZOMG SINCE BC HIT, WPVP WAS INSTA-KILLED".
And 2-3 fights in AQ40+very overtunned naxx(I remember when Ensidia tried to farm world buffs back then to finish of KT, they even paid a ridicously high amount of gold aka 10k for them, which was an obscene amount back then.) wasn't like pre-nerf Kara, TK and SSR where almost all bosses were challenging(Moroes pre-nerfs everyone.)
 

Originally posted by Bureyku

Is this your attempt at saying vanilla WoW is worst than WoW with the expansions? 

From a creative and economical standpoint Vanilla WoW was inferior to its current state. What makes it seem better is our sentimentality for it.

I never though BC killed anything. I think their XPacs are lame because they further the end game player base and extend the grind and reset the gear. I don't particularly like the areas or story with their XPacs either.

What killed the game for me was BG's and then further more the Arena. All the end game is pretty much is 100% instanced content taking the players out of the world and turning it from an MMORPG into an arcade game with a huge fucking lobby.
 

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Originally posted by Dysmetria

I'd particulalry like to experience the glory of all the hacks they have since removed.  People soloing BWL a week after it was added was a pretty common occurrence.

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If you're going to lie at least try to make it credible. BWL week after it was added was bugged and it was impossible to reach further bosses. And no, hacks in WoW were never common occurence and cheaters were farming 5 man instances for gold, not raids for phat loot.

And yeah, no one who actually experienced raid content in vanilla, BC or WotLK would agrue the superiority of the former. There were some hard encounters but they were accesible only to few, in later expansions more people could enter raid dungeons but the hardest mode is still only completed by the same few.

Originally posted by krugve

 

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Originally posted by Dysmetria

 

I'd particulalry like to experience the glory of all the hacks they have since removed.  People soloing BWL a week after it was added was a pretty common occurrence.

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If you're going to lie at least try to make it credible. BWL week after it was added was bugged and it was impossible to reach further bosses. And no, hacks in WoW were never common occurence and cheaters were farming 5 man instances for gold, not raids for phat loot.

And yeah, no one who actually experienced raid content in vanilla, BC or WotLK would agrue the superiority of the former. There were some hard encounters but they were accesible only to few, in later expansions more people could enter raid dungeons but the hardest mode is still only completed by the same few.

 Actually there was such a bug with Paladins I believe. Their retribution (or something along those line) was stacking to an unlimited number, making them able to one shot bosses if they built it up enough. The exact details are a blur as it has been a long while, but such bugs did exist to my memory. Rampant hacking? I only ever saw it on rare occasion (always in Sithilas for some reason)
As per classic raids being better than current, meh. I don't really think the raid encounters are what has choked out the majority of hardcore, I think it is the over availability of comparable loot that is attainable through "lesser" means. Working for weeks/ months to get your set only to see someone who pvps a few hours a day for a week having nearly as good of a set as you is a bit disconcerting. But that can go either way I suppose, I only speculate. 
Vanilla server? I can't really say I was oh so much happier then. I've always been a druid, and lets face it, we were a laugh riot in most respects. Resto was the only thing that worked, but you were pretty much an innervate whore. I like having the option to do something other than throw HT or pray that the other druid doesn't have more +healing than me, otherwise his HoT cancels mine >:o
 

Originally posted by Thenarius

Then people will finally realise how horrible, boring and (unless you consider grinding for 10h+) with no actual difficulty except tank and spank fights with the odd AoE was They should also make that vanilla server with the exact bugs that vanilla had, so you can fully experience the glory of it.

Although i share your view on the actual form of WoW with its neverending grind of pretty much everything, Vanilla WoW perfection came from the lvling process. The raid system was actually worse than BC or WOTLK.

But yes, you didn't have to grind for everything once you got your 100% mount.

Originally posted by Omega3

Originally posted by Thenarius

Then people will finally realise how horrible, boring and (unless you consider grinding for 10h+) with no actual difficulty except tank and spank fights with the odd AoE was They should also make that vanilla server with the exact bugs that vanilla had, so you can fully experience the glory of it.

Although i share your view on the actual form of WoW with its neverending grind of pretty much everything, Vanilla WoW perfection came from the lvling process. The raid system was actually worse than BC or WOTLK.

But yes, you didn't have to grind for everything once you got your 100% mount.

This a thousand times over.

Especially when new servers were released (so much pvp going on in Ashenvale!)

I could give a fuck about the raiding either way the cake is cut, but back in vanilla servers there was so much more interaction. Harder to solo "elite" quests, more pvp while leveling, more enjoyable leveling. Now low level areas are ghost towns, high level areas everyone just flies around to avoid combat.

Remember farming scourge farms in vanilla plaguelands with a group of 5, and then seeing 5 of the other faction doing the same?

ahhh.....

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by Bureyku

Is this your attempt at saying vanilla WoW is worst than WoW with the expansions? 

 

From a creative and economical standpoint Vanilla WoW was inferior to its current state. What makes it seem better is our sentimentality for it.

That is a complete cop-out. Over the years, WoW has had multiple development teams with hundreds of ideas implemented. Believing that all of them were for the better, is noble in it's loyalty, but ultimately naive.

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by Bureyku

Is this your attempt at saying vanilla WoW is worst than WoW with the expansions? 

 

From a creative and economical standpoint Vanilla WoW was inferior to its current state. What makes it seem better is our sentimentality for it.

It's not just about mechanics, it's also about fun.

Being a beginner in WoW in 2005 was thousand times better than having 3 lvl 80 in WOTLK in 2009.

In the numerous interview you can find on the net about the development of WoW, making the game FUN was their number one objective. Nowadays, it's more about how they can keep people p(l)aying..

Originally posted by krugve

 

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Originally posted by Dysmetria

 

I'd particulalry like to experience the glory of all the hacks they have since removed.  People soloing BWL a week after it was added was a pretty common occurrence.

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If you're going to lie at least try to make it credible. BWL week after it was added was bugged and it was impossible to reach further bosses. And no, hacks in WoW were never common occurence and cheaters were farming 5 man instances for gold, not raids for phat loot.

And yeah, no one who actually experienced raid content in vanilla, BC or WotLK would agrue the superiority of the former. There were some hard encounters but they were accesible only to few, in later expansions more people could enter raid dungeons but the hardest mode is still only completed by the same few.

I wasn't intentionally lying, I can't exactly remember what raids and dungeons were being soloed via hacks and exploits 4 years ago, I only read the complaints back then about others doing it. 

The point was a vanilla server would not have the bug fixes in place to prevent those hacks and exploits. 

Originally posted by Dysmetria

Originally posted by krugve

 

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Originally posted by Dysmetria

 

I'd particulalry like to experience the glory of all the hacks they have since removed.  People soloing BWL a week after it was added was a pretty common occurrence.

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If you're going to lie at least try to make it credible. BWL week after it was added was bugged and it was impossible to reach further bosses. And no, hacks in WoW were never common occurence and cheaters were farming 5 man instances for gold, not raids for phat loot.

And yeah, no one who actually experienced raid content in vanilla, BC or WotLK would agrue the superiority of the former. There were some hard encounters but they were accesible only to few, in later expansions more people could enter raid dungeons but the hardest mode is still only completed by the same few.

I wasn't intentionally lying, I can't exactly remember what raids and dungeons were being soloed via hacks and exploits 4 years ago, I only read the complaints back then about others doing it. 

The point was a vanilla server would not have the bug fixes in place to prevent those hacks and exploits. 

Bugs are one thing. And on the Vanilla servers, hopefully they would not be present. But I think alot of what people want is the old game without the content updates. Without the new class tweaks and abilities. Without the dungeon nerfs, etc. Without instanced PvP. Without the huge emphasis on gear and stats, back when things were done just for the fun of it.

vanilla wow was the best wow.. anyone who says otherwise is a nyerking retard.. sorry but its a fact, look it up :)