I'll be laughing my arse off when Blizzard announces their next MMORPG as the people bashing them now will no doubt be clamoring to be the first to play their new game.

Will you trust one of the most respected game developers again after [producing] the most financially successful game ever made?

Why, yes. I believe I will.

World of Warcraft has not only succeeded... it set the bar so high that new devs strive for second place.

What fantasy land are you living in that you actually believe Blizzard has done something wrong?

Trust Blizzard again? What the hell have they done that's untrustworthy? Sure, I hate wow as much as the next guy but I'd be a fool to say that it wasn't an amazingly well made game, just not my taste.

Blizzard has the talent and money to make any type of game well. I just hope that their next mmo is a sandbox, open pvp, siege warfare type mmo.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by Cavall

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Cavall

Option C pretty much describes how many of the people who played the original game feel; we were, without a doubt, betrayed by the developers. Every single thing they told us back then turned out to be a lie later on, and every promise they made was broken.

 

Such as?

Give five examples.

 

1.  Cross faction transfers - Many people want this. I know a lot of players who are excited about it including myself. I have asked before and will ask again - name me one negative of this. Just one REAL negative and not an opinion - one thing that it will do to ruin the game. Faction Imbalance.

2. Class balance. - Name me one game that doesn't struggle with this. Class balance is a MYTH. Classes will never be balanced especially when dealing with games like WOW where PVP can be done on a 1 vs 1 level all the way to 100+ players. If you balance for 1 vs 1, its unbalanced with larger numbers. If you balance for larger numbers, its unbalanced at 1 vs 1. True class balance will never happen unless the classes are identical. Even mirroring them like WAR, didn't work.  Team Fortress 2

3. Promises of "meaningful" PVP. This one I will agree with to an extent. I have always considered PVP in WOW to be an after thought - meaning not its major focus anyway. I have not seen many games with meaningful PVP in a while either - AOC and WAR certainly not. For me, meaningful PVP ended with DAOC.

4. Character recustomization, including gender and name changes. - Um, so?!? How is this bad? Reputation i.e. Ninja Looters etc

5.  Wanting 310% mounts to mean something ( Hello Ony Retcon!) This sounds like, to me, an elitist hardcore example of why the game sucks. Someone is upset that the game has gone the direction of the casual player and elitism in WOW ended with BC coming out. Gone are the 40 man raids and the top 10% of the population seeing all the content. Now WOW is for the casual gamer and better for it. The only ones who are upset over this are the ones who think their $15 is more important than the next person's.

6. PvE --> PvP transfers

 

Want more?

You mean those things asked for by a lot of players? You mean those things that can hardly be called promises.....things that ever other MMO struggles with or does for its playerbase.

Stop saying bullshit tbh, BC was far harder than vanilla. Hell, even WOTLK hardmodes are harder than most vanilla bosses.
But to say Vanilla was harder than BC means that you never played this game.

Blizzard puts out quality games why would I not trust them? I'm sure most of the people that say they don't trust them will be first in line to by Diablo 3. :P

Originally posted by chunky_slice

Originally posted by Ramonski7

So you're askin me if Blizzard made a new MMO, with all the accumulated experience from running the numba 1 MMO for 5 years straight, would I play? And I answer you sir HELL (to-the-muthafookin) YEAH!! Are you kidding me? Nothing but hits under their belts and they adapt to their players. What other company would you suggest? God....kids these days...so anally uptight that it's no wonder crap spews forth from their mouths......

 

Nintendo Wii is a hit too. Go play that.

Infact, we must always do whatever the boxoffice/sales charts tell us to  because quantity=quality.

Transformers 2 $800,000,000 worldwide and counting. Must be a great film, eh?

And then their are those that spend so much energy into trying to appear different that they're the ones that go through life wasting their time gathering facts that are useless to a discussion at hand  only to appear to be using the SAME argument that 90% of others use on these threads........interesting.

Now tell me sir, how many people you know personally, listen to Britney Spears, eat at Micky Ds, own a Nintendo Wii, have seen Transformer 2 AND play WoW? I'm betting you know none.

Just because millions of people enjoy something, does NOT mean millions of people ALL enjoy the same things..... When you get that message through your head then you've officially joined the common sense club....welcome aboard.

 I am NEVER  going to trust Blizzard again! They stole my baby dingo!

• Okay all this talk about trusting blizzard again reminds me of the tobacco companies years ago.  They know that if they can get to you when you are young  they have customers for life plain and simple. If you think i am kidding look at the way they  dumbed down the game  years. To fit the  casual player yeah right.  They are making it easyier to hook thier preteen and  mid teen base.
• And if you still don't think they are marketing to the kids anyone remember the wow credit card LOL.

Originally posted by Cavall

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Cavall

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Cavall

Option C pretty much describes how many of the people who played the original game feel; we were, without a doubt, betrayed by the developers. Every single thing they told us back then turned out to be a lie later on, and every promise they made was broken.

 

Such as?

Give five examples.

 

1.  Cross faction transfers

2. Class balance.

3. Promises of "meaningful" PVP.

4. Character recustomization, including gender and name changes.

5.  Wanting 310% mounts to mean something ( Hello Ony Retcon!)

 

Want more?

Hmm game breaking stuff there.

Btw no game has achieved class balance when you use the rock / paper / scissor format, it's impossible.

 

You asked about things they lied about. I delivered. They promised class balance, and then went back on their promise. They said they would never allow cross faction transfers, then said they have no plans to, then went back on that 2 weeks later. THey said they wanted 310% flying mounts to be reserved as a status symbol for those who have done something truly grand; now Ony will drop one. They said they wanted a person to have some sort of pride in their ingame avatar; now they can give their NE male a sexchange op, and soon to be a race change, too. They said back in BC and the original game that theyw anted pvp to mean something; now its a joke. I can go on and on, but the feeling is that the original players, whoa re hardcore by today's standards, feel completely betrayed by Blizzard, and will never play one of their games again. They're a casual company now, and I for one am just not the type who feels that I should be handed everything on a silver platter, even in a game.

I'm concerned, Blizzard have started some strange stuff recently. It's top priority is money-orientated, it's released two patches recently on WC3- one which allowed somebody to hack into someone's computer via some of the code, and the second which fixed this but has now botched up a lot of custom maps. And then to top it all off there are teeny rumours going around that battle.net might be charged for in the future. It might be silly to listen to silly rumours like this but if they did I could well be annoyed.

The topic title is harsh. I've got a lot of enjoyment from their games for many years, and some of the things they've done in WoW that I might disagree with are so minor it's a non-factor for me.

WoW>best game ever>instant payment to blizz for every new product...

if blizzard took a S*** put it in a box and sold it, it would be platinum 11 times... I dont care what peoples complains are about blizzard... I hate WoW but I will always trust them to release amazing products that provide entertainment and happiness to millions upon millions.

Blizzard makes quality games, there is no dispute on that. Now what has Blizzard actually done to WoW that has made you think they lied or betrayed you? WoW is a mmorpg and those games evolve and change over time. After 5 years WoW has definitely had changes, some good, some bad depending on what you wanted out of the game. However, none of that has made Blizzard a bad company. As I stated before, Blizzard makes fun games and I'll continue to buy their games that interest me (like Diablo 3 and Starcraf 2). My only real disappointment from them is the canceling of Ghost.

I agree on the fact that Blizard has produced quality games. Though can you honestly say its worth paying that amount for?

I for one think WoW was and still is being "hyped", and I think its getting credit for things that any other developer would do the same should the money suffice.

You cannot honestly say WoW is ALL THAT if you take a look at other developers, and see what they get done from a very low budget...

Sure would, even though I personally am not keen on WoW (after an issue where I was forced off the US servers I played on with my guild mates (I'm a Brit) when Blizzard refused to accept UK credit cards in payment on the US Servers - basically at the time we were getting the game a lot cheaper due to the £ - $ exchange rate and they wanted us to pay more and play on UK servers - added to the fact that I had just made a digital purchase of an update pack - which they refused to transfer across to the UK servers they were now trying to  force me to play on - wanting me to pay AGAIN for a product I had already purchased.)

But, personal issues aside, Blizzard DO have a track record for making quality games which a LOT of people enjoy, as you can see from its dominance in the MMO market atm, as well as with such hits as Diablo, Starcraft etc.

Why should people NOT trust them?

At least Blizzard have NEVER made adjustments to WoW on the scale of the game destroying SWG: NGE experience

*shudder*

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Originally posted by arthen999
There seams to be a lot people that are not happy with the way Blizzard have handled Warcraft . Its still an undeniably popular mmo even if its subsciptions seam to have peaked ( which goes beyond the situation in china ) and is now in a slow but inevitable decline . The question now really is whether you would trust Blizzard to handle their new mmo without falling into the same pitfalls ??

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I have not read all replies as this thread got into the "same old, same old" by page 3!

Firstly, define "a lot of people?" Define "slow but inevitable decline?" These are all just regurgitated troll quotes, over and over again without any actual FACT or reason to back them up. Exactly how many posts can one person make with the same angle and points (so called)???

As for the initial post, trust has nothing to do with the game in any way what so ever. If you like the game you will pay and play, if you don't, you won't! If they make the game unplayable in my eyes at some point will it effect how i see any future projects they produce, well it may make me a little more cautious, but at the end of the day if it turns out to be a good game i will probably play it. Take it as mistrust, caution or just plain cynicism that has built up due to the state of the MMO market over the past few years, your choice.

The REAL funny thing about this thread is that for some reason the OP and a lot of you seem to think that the groans and moans of people on this site as well as other MMO or WoW related forums somehow constitute "a lot" or "many" people....

We forum junkies are maybe 1% of 1% of the overall MMO community.

We'd be very lucky if we were 5% of the WoW community.

The game is doing great and obviously millions of people still enjoy it and don't feel the need to complain on forums.

WoW will still be going in 5 more years just like EQ and UO have been going for 10 years and will still be going 5 years from now too.

Blizzard will NOT make WoW 2, they'll make a completely different experience. What they WILL likely do is continue to change WoW so that it is more accessable and requires less and less of a time commitment. Why? So people can continue their WoW subs without feeling they are wasting money because they don't play much because they are also sub'd to Blizzard's new MMO.

You're funny.

If blizzard is smart they will incorporate their new mmo into wow somehow.  Not through gameplay, but by means of subscription tie in or package.  Giving people access to both games would just cement their subscriber base that much more.  The gentle nudge to push players to battle.net accounts may be a hint of this.

As they say in business 'it is much easier to retain old customers than it is to attract new ones'.  Maybe the market will continue to grow at the pace it currently is and blizzards new game is aimed at a new untapped market, but it would be smart if they replaced themselves with something new before one of their competitors did. 

Something will eventually come along that steals a sizable portion of their subscribers.  Who knows when, but it will happen.

I think blizzard has done it good in wow. There has been some bad places but it's a good game.

Well, I'm here reading these posts, thinking. Yeah, no, mm, maybe, yes, sure, Blah, blah, blah. It's obvious lot's of people have lots of opinions about WOW. I myself am here right now, because I'm so damn tired after all these years of playing it.

Let's face it, not matter what class you play, you're only aiming to get to the level cap so you can gear up. Gearing up just got silly with patch 3.2. I'm raiding my arse off to get the best gear and along come Joe Schmo, never done anything worth a light, and there he is in gear almost as good as mine and all he's done is 5 man instances for a few weeks. WTF?

Back in vanilla days when you saw a priest with a full set of Molten Core gear on, it was like looking at God, lol. But now it's like yeah yeah yeah, whatever.

I really do wish Blizzard would bring out a new MMORPG, I'd jump on it like crazy, I just can't keep up the interest with WOW anymore, I think I'm finally worn out with it. Latest smack in the eye is the rumors that they are yet again to reuse more old instances. Come on Blizzard WTF are you playing at? Oh and only 5 more levels. If It was free I may be interested, but nothing much is free that you do. It's usually stuff you left out that you patch into the game.

I realise the new expansion rumors are just that, rumors. But rumors in WOW usually are feelers seeing what kinda reaction is out there.

Some pet hates that are annoying me in WOW.

1.People with great gear for doing nothing more than easy 5 man instances.
2.People who won't log off and spend there time jumping up and down over and over and over and over and over. LOG OFF YOU SAD B......
3.Not being able to get into instances for ages and ages.
4.Abusive behavior from people in game, you give it back and they report you.
5.Gold sellers spamming trade all day and everyday.
6.Dumbing down of the game, for example, glowing quest items and hints all over the map.
7.The need to make all classes seem equal with no classes actually really that much better than any other. DK's are heroic class? Is that a fact? They seem much like everything else to me.
8.Lack of anything meaningful to do as a solo player once you have thousands of gold and maxed out your chars skills and profs.
9.The built in time sink actually feel just like that now. They never used to, but they sure do these days.

I would most likly try another Blizzard mmo but i dont think i would  stay as long as i have done in Warcraft if i felt the game was starting to go downhill i would leave . I enjoyed the Warcraft experiance and had i felt it been handled better in the last couple of years i would proberbly still be there now still be there in years to come . As it stands i ve given up and have no desire to return at present .