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Originally posted by MikeB
Which is why I also asked the question -- does #2 only mean a distant second, or do you think Aion can approach WoW-like numbers?
Free Realms has 3 or 4 million and Battlefield Heroes a while back hit 1 millions. So really anything is possible. Of course the two I mentioned are free to play games, but players are players. Regardless if they pay tor a sub for a game or not. Plus Aion looks like it should be a F2P game anyway. I'd say it would go F2P like Spellborn is, but NCSOFT would ratherl kill a game before it would even go F2P(For example: Tabula Rasa.). When we get back from where we are going, we will return to where we were. I know people there! |
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Originally posted by purewitz
Free Realms has 3 or 4 million and Battlefield Heroes a while back hit 1 millions. So really anything is possible. Of course the two I mentioned are free to play games, but players are players. Regardless if they pay tor a sub for a game or not. Plus Aion looks like it should be a F2P game anyway. I'd say it would go F2P like Spellborn is, but NCSOFT would ratherl kill a game before it would even go F2P(For example: Tabula Rasa.).
Free Realms does not have 3-4 mil active players. I think you fail to marketing. |
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I bet most of you people don't know that Dofus is the MMORPG with the 2nd largest subscription number of people in the "western world". I'm just cool like that. |
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Meh Aion is good but I don't see it holding that very long... SWTOR and FFXIV will bury it when they are out. www.creative-inn.com |
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I do think it will take the #2 spot, easily. At least for some period of time, if not stay there. But i don't know if it will compete with Warcraft. I think that totally depends on how much development NCSoft is willing to put into the game after release. Comparing Aion now with WoW in it's beginnings, i definitely think it has the foundation to be something special. How well they can read their customers and continue to give them quality gaming and new content over time will decide in the long run. Let's just hope the initial release is the only thing that ever takes a year to get to NA. That is the only warning sign for fail i've seen so far. Things are moving very slowly across the ocean, and if this problem isn't fixed soon enough i doubt there is any possible way they can move fast enough to keep the players happy. /insert Illidan Stormrage says, "You are not prepared!" |
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Ok, I hate to be the bearer of bad news and reality but we have hear this so many times before with games like WarHammer, Lord of the Rings, Dungeons and Dragons, and others. ANY company can do what the other guys did and find the best Public Relations Consultant in the market and build more hype over a non released game and get everyone worked up over it so people actually sleep out at a GameStop to be one of the first to get a copy of all this hell bent hype but the question remains, Can this game get that hype and deliver and keep the players or will it just be all hype and no deliver and find itself in the it with the rest of the TKOd games that have come up to challenge the mighty Blizzard and World of Warcraft? Personally i will be doing what I do when i buy anything else, wait to see it and test drive it before I decide to sink or waste my money into a gaming company. BUYER BEWARE - TRY BEFORE YOU BUY!!!!!! |
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Aion can't directly compete with WoW. It's a PvP game at heart, in a market where the prevailing theme is PvE. The NCsoft executives are well aware of that, hence the talk about second place. Maybe some of the more avid fans want Aion to compete with WoW, but the developers know better than to fantasize about the impossible. |
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When you get down to it, this game is still an asian grinder. While it will fool people for a while once they get past the mid levels they will all realize how they have been hoodwinked. |
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Hate to say it but aion is already in second place in asia with over 2 mil. sub. looking at it right now their isn't much good mmo out there so alot of ppl with floke to aion till swtor comes out |
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If Aion only needs 500k subs to get the #2 spot, It will get there easily, at least initially. As to how well it will last is anyones guess, as while it is more western than most eastern MMOs, it still has a heavy eastern influence, so if your not into anime and that sort of thing you probably won't like the overall style of Aion. Personally I see myself playing Aion for a good long while, as I have really enjoyed my time is beta up to level 17 and all reports are it only gets better from there. But then I enjoyed WAR in beta as well but stopped at 22 in live as it just turned into the worst kind of boring, monotonous, grind with no point other than to reach a less than impressive endgame. I don't see this happening with Aion, especially since we are getting 1.5 at launch and all the extra content that includes. There is no way it will get WoW like numbers simply for the fact that it is not a casual MMO, and depending on the class / level you are, it is not easy to solo (though still quite possible), so a lot of people that like WoW, enough to play it at least, probably won't have the patience to enjoy Aion. My best guess, provided the 20+ to endgame holds up, is that it will get about 5-600k steady subs. |
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Originally posted by Krisevol
Free Realms has 3 or 4 million and Battlefield Heroes a while back hit 1 millions. So really anything is possible. Of course the two I mentioned are free to play games, but players are players. Regardless if they pay tor a sub for a game or not. Plus Aion looks like it should be a F2P game anyway. I'd say it would go F2P like Spellborn is, but NCSOFT would ratherl kill a game before it would even go F2P(For example: Tabula Rasa.).
Free Realms does not have 3-4 mil active players. I think you fail to marketing.
Shit sucked when I played it, I'll give it another go when I'm not busy with ToR. |
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Originally posted by Odela
Free Realms does not have 3-4 mil active players. I think you fail to marketing.
Shit sucked when I played it, I'll give it another go when I'm not busy with ToR.
Registered accounts is not pactive playing subscribers. You failed marketing 101 as well. Otherwise , every server in Free Realms would not be "light" when the servers only hold 1 or 2 thousand people each. |
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Originally posted by Odela
The only number we have from SoE is how many accounts have been created, now how many of those (I believe now 4 million) accounts actually log in each month? Or for that matter, bring SoE any money. Bioware did not make Knights of the old Republic 2. |
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Ramonski7
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Joined: 5/21/03
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Funny how some of these players here can see with their own eyes a statement from the NCSoft PRESIDENT that he's hoping his game gets 2nd place behind WoW, yet fail to realize why he said it. He KNOWS Aion is catering to a niche crowd. I mean you have to be living under a rock to not know that Aion was NEVER intended to be aimed at the Western market until they decided to add more things to lessen the sense of level grinding.
Koreans by nature don't mind endless grinds from their MMOs, see Lineage 1 and 2 for that fact check. So then they introduced Aion with a lesser grind and STILL didn't get it right (I'm sure it had something to do with Korean beta testers drunk from WoW's lack of a level progression grind chiming in). So now they are forced to include the latest grind reducing/PvE adding patch in U.S. version from day 1. But I think it's a little too late now. Understand that WoW's crowd are by in large laid back players that rejected the first honor system implemented in WoW's battlegrounds, which was no more than a painful, life-sapping grind. So if Aion's AP system is anywhere near that sort of system, you'll see players dropping off like flies from a bug zapper in a manure factory.  "Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas." |
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To Ramonski7: Not true. The Lineage series were heavily influenced by the original Everquest, as far as level progression is concerned. Aion on the other hand is influenced more by Everquest 2. If you search a bit on the net, you'll find the strong ties between the Everquest developer team and the Lineage/Aion developer team. Koreans loving their grind is a myth. If it was true, neither WoW or Aion would have been so well received in that country. |
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Originally posted by MikeB Aion's higher system specs will probably keep them at a distant second, but from what I've seen in the closed beta weekends, everything that WoW does, Aion does better. It's the first mmo I've played since WoW that actually feels like a "complete" game - not something that's been rushed to release too early with the expectation that players will buy and subscribe while they finish making it. If they've picked up over 3 million subscribers in Asia, I think they've a fair chance of breaking a million in the West. |
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Originally posted by Dameonk There's a difference between created accounts and active players. The only number we have from SoE is how many accounts have been created, now how many of those (I believe now 4 million) accounts actually log in each month? Or for that matter, bring SoE any money. Quite - and going by available statistics on the relationship between accounts created and actual revenue, at best that would give Free Realms revenue equivalent to about 100k subscribers. |
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Originally posted by Rajen
I totally agree. I know I'll be playing SWTOR, when it comes out. Its the only game, I'm really excited about. When we get back from where we are going, we will return to where we were. I know people there! |
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Originally posted by purewitz
I totally agree. I know I'll be playing SWTOR, when it comes out. Its the only game, I'm really excited about.
ok, wait a minute. no one has played these games. how many times do we have to see people saying that x game will "rule something fierce" and then it comes out and it's not quite what players wanted. case in point conan, case in point warhammer, case in point Vanguard, Case in point Champions Online (I add it because though it seems to be good, I already see people complaing), case in point, even aion. Oh, I really like Aion and it will become my main game. but that doesn't mean that my head is in the sand and I don't see a plethora of people who (pick one) A: jumped the gun and attributed all sorts of nonsense to aion even though the devs have been up front about what it was going to be, B: are tired of standard game play and want somethng different, C: think Aion is too Hardcore, D: think Aion is too carebear, E: was looking for an old school mmo (for some reasn thinking Aion was going to deliver this) and was surprised at a world that isn't as open as they wanted, F: all of the above or other stuff. Aren't players tired of saying that x game is going to "rule bricks" only to realize that what the devs created is a game and not the second coming? people need to wait, they need to lower their expectations to something reasonable and take it in stride. Yes, Bioware is a great company but that doesn't mean they are immune to making design decisions that players aren't going to like. And Final Fantasy has a huge devoted fanbase. So right there they are setting themselves up to fall as they might just include things that the Final Fantasy fanbase would consider sacrilege but make sense in a modern mmo that is fighitng for market share. It happens in every game.
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i think Aion will easily manage to get number zwo spot in the world market....as someone said before, Aion has already 2 mil players in asia...thats right....alone in china, the Licencee Shanda Interactive (Joint Venture with NCsoft) have 1 Mil. User which pay for the game already...i think with more updates and expansion packs this number will even raise... LOTRO will enter china in the next month i have heard. Distributor is CDC Games, a small player in china. CDC Games dont have the marketing power and reachness of Shanda or Netease.com, so dont overestimate this...and World of Warcraft is still offline in china (6-7 Mio. wow players in china looking for other games like Aion) Greetings from germany |
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lol FFXIV will be exclusive to the PS3. Unless the article I read the part where it said "The “FFXIV online” title is planned to launch in 2010, exclusively for PS3" wrong. http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3174544
And chances are, being exclusive to the PS3, FFXIV might not be the Aion downer. SWTOR might, but it's like all new mmo's.
TBH, Aion has great gameplay.
Excuses like "It will be an Asian grinder" makes this thread feel a little like the 'special class' in school. Be the intelligent person and do a little digging. 1.5, the NA release version, is doing a lot to the 'Asian version' to make the leveling grind just that much less (ie. More exp per kill and quest turn in, on top of more quests being added) But tbh, that's what an mmoRPG is. Free epics with face-rolling gameplay should die with WoW! A lot of people are just afraid of the "Cute Japanese Characters" that will pwn their face in a pvp game.
edit: With 2-3 Million subscribers in the Asia-Pacific area in the first 10 months of release shows good potential. "Westerners" have this predetermined stereotype that an Asian mmo is bad, or it could never be as good as a suprerior western product. lol
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i got a strong final fanstasy 7/8 vibe playing aion as a gladiator, it was a good vibe. |
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Look what i found !
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My honest opinion about this is WoW will be second to Aion. It will take some time, but the game is just as addictive if not more so and I honestly think NCSoft is underestimating their product and the subscriber base out there. Also, WoW is prone to attract hardcore gamers who focus on leveling. Hardcore gamers are a minority, so Aion has a chance to knock out WoW since there has never been anything like this, or this gorgeous, before in an MMORPG. There are alot of casual gamers it will attract, and it may even take away some of the hardcore Warcrack Addicts. Aion has alot of potential in it, but it has to be presented right. I believe NCSoft has finally got the formula right. This game is great for everyone from the first time MMOer to the hardcore veteran. It simply has something to offer everyone(even those flight sim junkies who love to fly). The general appeal and uniqueness will be what makes this game a strong competitor with WoW. When World of Warcraft initially released, it took a familiar formula and perfected it, and added a couple unique features. Unfortunately, they left out a real plot line which makes it far too easy for the game to bore the casual gamer. Since then, MMOs following that formula have become a dime a baker's dozen, leading many gamers to desire something original. The time is right for this new style of Fantasy MMO and the release of Aion could not be more perfectly timed. |
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suzani
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Joined: 6/25/09
If only the past was the present and the future never came |
HI to the Aion community, I have been waiting for this game to be releases here in europe for Months, only to find out that it is now going to be a pay-to-play game. I am really disappointed in you guys, not only is it pay-to-play but it is still a full priced game to start off. Some of us aren't financially in a position to afford this no matter how much we would like to play. I have played RFOnline for two years, first on the retail server, then on the RFEquilibrium server when retail closed. I was happy to give up my high lvl, well equipt, and well known character to play this game and start a fresh as a noobie but since finding out it's now going to be pay-to-play I have had to reconsider. And to be honest, I don't think I will be the only one! MAKE IT FREE-TO-PLAY AND ADD A CASHSHOP..... THAT WAY THOSE PEOPLE WHO WISH TO SPEND REAL MONEY TO IMPROVE THEIR CHARACTERS CAN DO SO..... AND THE REST OF US CAN JUST WORK HARD..... Good luck in Game, I will maybe see you IF they make it FREE-TO-PLAY |
