No, just someone who can spell.

LWolf from what i've read you would fit the best as a Sorc.

Well for solo PvP, or any PvP for that matter, sorcerer is a much better class. Yes at higher levels they have better burst damage, but they don't do enough to kill someone with their burst damage, and then they got to rely on their low damage.

The sorcerer on the other hand can blast you open from start to end. And he's got some decent CC.

I personally think that the ranger is probably the worst dps class of the bunch.

Originally posted by Golarum

Well for solo PvP, or any PvP for that matter, sorcerer is a much better class. Yes at higher levels they have better burst damage, but they don't do enough to kill someone with their burst damage, and then they got to rely on their low damage.

The sorcerer on the other hand can blast you open from start to end. And he's got some decent CC.

I personally think that the ranger is probably the worst dps class of the bunch.

In solo PVP a Sorc is not going to do well vs a Ranger or an Assassin. Not that this game is based off of solo pvp, just saying from my understanding.

Also may I inquire why you think the ranger is the worst dps class of the bunch? Im under the impression they do the MOST damage up front in the first 5 seconds of combat. For pvp that is.

Originally posted by Tenken29

Originally posted by Golarum

Well for solo PvP, or any PvP for that matter, sorcerer is a much better class. Yes at higher levels they have better burst damage, but they don't do enough to kill someone with their burst damage, and then they got to rely on their low damage.

The sorcerer on the other hand can blast you open from start to end. And he's got some decent CC.

I personally think that the ranger is probably the worst dps class of the bunch.

 

In solo PVP a Sorc is not going to do well vs a Ranger or an Assassin. Not that this game is based off of solo pvp, just saying from my understanding.

Also may I inquire why you think the ranger is the worst dps class of the bunch? Im under the impression they do the MOST damage up front in the first 5 seconds of combat. For pvp that is.

Actually i'd say in Solo PvP it's whoever gets the jump out of those 3 classes.  At least with Sorc you can sleep or turn the enemy into a tree and try to run away.  Solo PvP will probably mostly consist of ganking.  Ranger is good attacking from the air and kiting or just running away if it doesn't go their way.  Sorc I would say has the most utility for ranged DPS, and the ability to sleep or turn into a tree.  Assassin is the most dangerous of the three because you have to get up close and personal.  I think LWolf wants the most amount of kills for the least effort so I say Sorc.  Ranger takes a good bit of skill to kite really well, and Assassin takes the most skill in the game.

Lwolf you've been creating these types of threads for like a week now, slightly changed and basically trying to write a guide on the classes of the game.. it's beta day tomorrow, so if you have a beta key just go and try all the classes that seem interesting to you up until level 16.  That's when they all get their flavor abilities and you can see how they will all play endgame.

The fact that the game will be tuned and each DPS will have the '15 minutes of fame' is true.  Just find a play style that fits you.  You seem like you want to have the hide ability, so if you want to be ranged then be a Ranger and if you want to be melee then be an Assassin.

And stop making these threads so I can stop trying to help you.

Well I am giving my opinion on the experiences I've had in China beta and in the NA beta we're playing now.

The ranger does have a good burst damage, but then the damage goes so low that you don't do enough damage to be able to kill your target, even a sorcerer. You will not kill a same level toon within the first 5 seconds, and if the fight lasts 10 seconds, then the sorcerer will have outdamaged the ranger. Because for example I will give just random numbers.

Range does 500dmg first 5 seconds, sorcerer does 400dmg. In the last 5 seconds the ranger will do 100dmg while the sorcerer will still do 400dmg. As I said these numbers are just given randomly as examples.  So at the end of the fight the ranger would lose.

I do think that if played right, the assassin would kill these 2 classes, but if the get to CC him before he kills them, then the assassin is toast.

So I think that at the end of the day, it all goes down to how you play the class. And as some people stated, in this game you will not be doing much solo PvP.

As for why I think the ranger is the weakest, it's because out of the 3 it's got the lowest full fight damage ratio. Again random examples, in a 6 vs 6 fight of equal levels of players of same skills in a half hour fight. The DPS will go to Sorcerer, then assassin then ranger. Sorcerer over assassin just because sorcerer can change targets without having to move to the target, so assassin will be wasting time going fromt arget to target.

Peace

thank you

thats what i was looking for

I made a asmodian Ranger during the 3rd CB, and got it to level 15, but it was a struggle. With having to buy arrows and seeds, I was/am eternally poor. However, I learned a few things later when I made a Elyos Sorcerer in CB 4... selling things on auction house is a GOOD thing, even the normal "white" items can sell for quite a bit more than merchants will pay for them (At least during these betas anyways). The sorcerer is FAR easier to solo however.

Now, this is only my impression of PvE sorc vs Ranger.... and I got the sorc to 23 and the ranger is stil stuck at 15.

I've heard the same things I've read here where the Ranger starts kicking more butt once you hit the mid 30's, etc, but wow, in the mean time, what a grind it would be to get there.

Originally posted by Golarum

Well I am giving my opinion on the experiences I've had in China beta and in the NA beta we're playing now.

The ranger does have a good burst damage, but then the damage goes so low that you don't do enough damage to be able to kill your target, even a sorcerer. You will not kill a same level toon within the first 5 seconds, and if the fight lasts 10 seconds, then the sorcerer will have outdamaged the ranger. Because for example I will give just random numbers.

Range does 500dmg first 5 seconds, sorcerer does 400dmg. In the last 5 seconds the ranger will do 100dmg while the sorcerer will still do 400dmg. As I said these numbers are just given randomly as examples.  So at the end of the fight the ranger would lose.

I do think that if played right, the assassin would kill these 2 classes, but if the get to CC him before he kills them, then the assassin is toast.

So I think that at the end of the day, it all goes down to how you play the class. And as some people stated, in this game you will not be doing much solo PvP.

As for why I think the ranger is the weakest, it's because out of the 3 it's got the lowest full fight damage ratio. Again random examples, in a 6 vs 6 fight of equal levels of players of same skills in a half hour fight. The DPS will go to Sorcerer, then assassin then ranger. Sorcerer over assassin just because sorcerer can change targets without having to move to the target, so assassin will be wasting time going fromt arget to target.

Peace

Is this from cap level experiance?

Also how much more range does the ranger have over the sorc?

If the Sorc out dpses the Ranger by THAT much and has superior cc... im afraid im going to have to ask what's the point in being a Ranger then? To my understanding the Ranger is also more fragile.

If the dps is not better than a Sorc and it has lower util and survivability... I don't see why to play one. Simply going off your example.

i've been playing a ranger on the beta, and its now almost level 30. honestly, its pretty hard to play. PVE kinda sucks cuz ur main advantage is kiting, and thats just survivability. not a lot of damage till the 20's... im pretty sure sorcs rape PVE. but during pvp, right now at level 30, i'd say its about even. whoever ambushes the other one will win.. actually i've been one hitted plenty of times by sorcs. well my armor sucks, but even with good armor 2 shots will kill me.. probably. if u want to solo gank early game, sorcs are probably better. its just pewpew dead. rangers, not so much. not enough dps to kill most classes. although i heard rangers get beastly late game, which is why im playing it. in the end, its up to u. PVE well and rape early game, or wait till u rape end game?

You like rape way too much.

Tenken,

Your question about why play ranger if sorcerors are better is kind of off. I mean, why play sorcerors if rangers are better right? Some prefer different types of gameplay, not just what does more damage =)

ranger has the ability to hide, which is a HUGE ability in a pvp situation, a sorcerer does not, making him a live target, so if you play your ranger smart, majority of the time, you should be the one striking first, and thats the biggest advantage of pvp.

Originally posted by Soupism

You like rape way too much.

 

Tenken,

Your question about why play ranger if sorcerors are better is kind of off. I mean, why play sorcerors if rangers are better right? Some prefer different types of gameplay, not just what does more damage =)

Not really Soup. If you paid attention I stated that Sorcs have higher surviv and cc. If ranger beats them in damage there's still a reason to play both.

If the Sorc is superior in all three areas I'd rather be the Sorc.

I enjoy being range dps, but if the ranger's burst damage is not sufficient it does not seem to do anything very well except for kiting. My main interest in the class was the frontal damage it could provide and the fact that it was range.

It's like saying why play a Templar if a Gladitor is just as tough, has more dps, and can aoe damage? (assuming this were true)

Obviously something is not right about the Sorc and Ranger stuff. That's why I was asking.

Oh, yeah the cc and survivability I agree.. just your question about why playing one class if the does more dps sounded odd. The rest of your post made sense.

Sleep is a 6 second cast time. Easily interrupted. Sorc is the first target in group pvp. Having the ability to hide would really come in handy a lot.

I played in the 40s, so yeah I played some endgame PvP.

In terms of who is a better class, sorc is a much better class, whatever style you take. The game is new, and classes are not all balanced. Ranger is not that bad now, but if you would've tried it in Chinese beta, then you would've asked why even have it in the game :)

It's DPS was less than even most healer and tank classes.

But as it is now, the only reason anyone would play the ranger is that like one of the poster said, it's got hide which gives an advantage. Also you do not always play classes just because they're the strongest. You play what you like to play, personally, I will be playing the spiritmaster, which have a huge disadvantage in endgame PvP where a lot of people would have mastered flying. Because the pets do not fly, and a spiritmaster without it's pet is a dead spiritmaster. But I will still play it because I like playing caster pet classes.

The ranger right now is not worth playing, but do not forget that in all games there's always a weak class at release that end up being one of the strongest after they buff the class.

Peace

If you are going to mainly solo-PvP, go Ranger because they have stealth and can get the jump on people.

If you going to mainly do group PvP, go Sorcerer or Ranger, which ever one you find more fun.

A lot changes have been made to combat for v1.5, no one really knows yet how it's going to impact each class; so my best advice is just to play whatever class you find fun.

I would try them both to about 16-20.  By that time you get a pretty good idea of how the class works and it only takes a few days to a week depending on how much you play.

Originally posted by Dameonk

If you are going to mainly solo-PvP, go Ranger because they have stealth and can get the jump on people.

If you going to mainly do group PvP, go Sorcerer or Ranger, which ever one you find more fun.

A lot changes have been made to combat for v1.5, no one really knows yet how it's going to impact each class; so my best advice is just to play whatever class you find fun.

I would try them both to about 16-20.  By that time you get a pretty good idea of how the class works and it only takes a few days to a week depending on how much you play.

 

 

well, if you want stealth, wouldnt assasin be more effective...

Yes, if you want to play a stealthy type of play, stealth and ambush, then go assassin no doubt about it...