Originally posted by leumasx7

im suprised no one related to the WOW expansion, WOTLK.

 

Bad expansion. why?

 

first 25 content released was from classic/ and classic tier. it was just moved into Northrend.

To much common gear appeal and was bad looking anyway.

Lag problems,  glitches.. ETC

Changed winters grasp to 100 people, because they didn't want to have to spend any of the millions they have for there other projects.

... Working on new expansion with still no "LICH KING", Wraith of the lich king, with no king. sounds liked blizzard has ripped you from what was promised on the expansion. "Go through many Challenges, Face off against the Lich King Arthas, once the son of the king of the ally's.. and blah blah"

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Bliz has the money, the resources, and the people. to do what needs to be done, yet does not do that. i think blizzard has failed the concept of "mastery"

~Instead of focusing on 1 game at a time, and making it great. They make 1 good game then leave it for fall back plan, while they work on 3 other projects at the same time and just neglect the fact that time is needed on there current success. "

Also why i feel why blizzard came out with those big patches and random class changes, new raid, new pvp. they keep the players dragged in with a little new content so they don't loose interest. so they don't have to put much time while they mess with the new stuff for 3-4 months..

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Last thing about adding: character re-customize/ Cross server transfer/ "soon to be" Faction change/ Name change. Just a Scam. and should not be there, as it is taking away from a better gaming experience, as well as ruining some other things. Account Transfer of a character.

In TOA: talk to other faction in pvp servers (oops they broke that one them selves)/ Orginally.. Characters can not change there race, gender, or to another faction./ PVE servers cannot go to PVP, and PVP to PVE./ Characters can not be traded to another ones account(And look, i can sell my guy to some one by putting in my secret word)....

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I dont hate bliz, and i do play wow, but i don't like how they run things.

I really do not see why you are focusing so much on trivialities, non-issues or things that to most players are positives.

If you really want to speak about Blizzard's shortcommings you should be talking about stuff that most players care about like the 'instance server full' issue that is really pissing off a large chunk of the playerbase or how jousting is buggy and clunky. To most people Northrend Nax is new content, faction changes are something that has zero effect on them and Arthas should be the final boss you see before the next expansion. 

Both you and Zarndof seem to build your argumenst about trivialities and non-issues that most WoW players do not see as a big effect on them.

Sure, I trust blizzard to make one of the most successful, most played, and most ingratiated MMOs in our pop culture.

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize this was the irrational hate thread.

"DOWN WITH BLIZZARD, WoW sucks!"

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

Sure, I trust blizzard to make one of the most successful, most played, and most ingratiated MMOs in our pop culture.

 

 

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize this was the irrational hate thread.

"DOWN WITH BLIZZARD, WoW sucks!"

 

Here, here.  Blizzard has always done good by me! Admit I stopped playing WOW a couple of years ago but I had a blast while I did. Also, still play Diablo 2 from time to time.

Yeah, I really don't get the trolls in this thread who are shouting about not trusting Blizzard. Honestly, it seems they are so short-sighted and blinded by their hate, that they forget a lot.

I am sorry that WOW isn't the game for you anymore. I am sorry you feel betrayed that Blizzard started with a hardcore MMO with life draining raids and time consuming play and then changed when they realized where the bulk of their subs were coming from casual players. I am sorry you hate casuals so much and feel the game isn't for you.

But seriously, its time to think rationally about this. Blizzard has a track record of releasing wonderful games. Warcraft 1, 2, and 3; Diablo 1 and 2; Starcraft and WOW. How quickly we forget about their track record......when you talk about trusting a company, you cannot just forget the past 15 years or so of game development.

Say what you will, but WOW is great at what it does. You may not like it, you may hate it, but that does not make it a bad game. Between the number of subs and the quality and quantity of reviews, WOW is the industry leader right now. You can whine and complain all you want but that is the fact of life.

Now granted I will not say WOW is perfect and there are things I think Blizzard can improve upon. However, the game and the company is a far cry from SOE and Funcom and other gaming companies.

Blizzard has done nothing to violate someone's trust. Blizzard may have done things you do not like or made a change to the game as the game has evolved, but its far from violating someone's overall trust in the company.

At this point, Blizzard is about the only company I trust.

Offcourse i will trust Blizzard, its one of the best game developers outhere if not the best, just because they took a different course for Warcraft that i personally dont agree doesnt mean that every other game will be the same, and it doesnt make them a bad company in terms of game development

Its true that Blizz will probably become a comercial company and will invest more on casual and mainstream games but they will certainly have loads of quality on that market

 I do not understand why people are bashing blizzard so much.  The game is evolving.  The reason why I dont play it anymore is because I got bored of it.  You really can only play a game so much until you get tired of all the skills, content, and fighting the same mobs with different colours.

I will always trust blizzard to make a great game.  No issue there.  I still think WOW is a GREAT game.  I just got bored of it.  And I expect that to happen after playing a game for 4 years.

Originally posted by TwiztedTD

 I do not understand why people are bashing blizzard so much.  The game is evolving.  The reason why I dont play it anymore is because I got bored of it.  You really can only play a game so much until you get tired of all the skills, content, and fighting the same mobs with different colours.

I will always trust blizzard to make a great game.  No issue there.  I still think WOW is a GREAT game.  I just got bored of it.  And I expect that to happen after playing a game for 4 years.

Many people who get bored of wow find out the rest of the market is very subpar in comparison.  For some this translates into blizzard being at fault for everything under the sun. 

It often doesn't make a lot of sense.

All this about broken promises and such is a stretch. This is a game made for a customer base with different and varying tastes. So when you have that in mind some things will change, some will evolve and some directions will shift course. The game isn't made particularly with you John Doe in mind. It is to reach out to the largest base it can possible (at least in Blizzards approach).

So if you are going to decide whether to trust Blizzard you have to give it a surface viewpoint. Is there game polished? Yes. Do they give regular content updates? Yes. Do they actually listen to some of their customer base? Yes (some may say 'No! I never wanted that!' in regards to a particular change but somewhere in their customer community the change was wanted whether you did or not).

These are the things you look at. Blizz has shown time and time again they care about their game and have found a way to reach the target audience they seek whether its your personal taste or not. They do the job developers were meant to do. They continue to evolve and attempt to improve their game in their way and don't let it just settle for the status quo. So I give them respect for that.

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Originally posted by Cavall

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Originally posted by Mazin

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Originally posted by Cavall

Option C pretty much describes how many of the people who played the original game feel; we were, without a doubt, betrayed by the developers. Every single thing they told us back then turned out to be a lie later on, and every promise they made was broken.

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Such as?
Give five examples.

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1.  Cross faction transfers
2. Class balance.
3. Promises of "meaningful" PVP.
4. Character recustomization, including gender and name changes.
5.  Wanting 310% mounts to mean something ( Hello Ony Retcon!)
 
Want more?

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What a child.

Originally posted by Mazin

Btw no game has achieved class balance when you use the rock / paper / scissor format, it's impossible.

I agree that no game have achieved perfect balance in classes, but the thing with WoW is that it's less balanced than it was when it was released, instead of going forward, they went backward.

I am a big fan of Blizzard's other games, I will definitly get Diablo 3 when it comes out, I will eventually start playing starcraft 2 when I get the time. I love these games. I will also be playing warcraft 4 if they ever decide to make it.

But WoW is the most pathetic piece of garbage on the market. It's the walmart of games, you find everything you want in it, but it's all of low quality and standard. It has offered nothing new to the genre, it copied all the games bfore it and that keep releasing. It's got so many subscribers not because of the quality of the game, but because of the casualness of the game and because of the hype.

Before the cigarette ads were banned, they would invest on commercials so good that weak minded people would go out and buy the cigarettes even if they don't want to smoke, that's human nature, you tell them it's good, they believe you. And that is what happened with WoW. They created so much hype, they invested so much in publicity that people believed that it was a good game. And then they got addicted, because people are addicts. They know that what they are buying is not good, but they still buy it because they see Mr T, JC Van Damme, Verne Troyer, Ozzy Osbourne and many others who never even touched the game say it's good on a TV commercial.

So yes I will never trust blizzard with another mmo, but I will continue playing their other games.

Meh, I enjoyed WoW for a number of years. I'll definately play another mmorpg by them simply because of my experiences with WoW. Though I do hope they look back and their mistakes and try to find solutions. Also I really hope they stop catering to crybabies.

Why would someone deliberately trust an organisation?

If you know the "internal rules" of an organization you can to some degree

anticipate how the organization will react and thus you can expect a certain output.

Members of an organization will change over time and with this change the organization

will slowly change too.

I will rather trust a very good friend than an organization.

That said. Blizzard is only a games company. And of course I will have a look at their next MMO.

But that's about it.

Originally posted by arthen999

There seams to be a lot people that are not happy with the way Blizzard have handled Warcraft . Its still an undeniably popular mmo even if its subsciptions seam to have peaked ( which goes beyond the situation in china ) and is now in a slow but inevitable decline . The question now really is whether you would trust Blizzard to handle their new mmo without falling into the same pitfalls ??

When WoW came out, it tried to emulate the EverQuest formula (massive raids with lots of trash before the bosses) and improve its shortcoming (death run, exp loss, travel time, corpse retrival). The leveling process was a marvellous experience, but raiding was tedious and end game was just about raiding.

Over the years, the game was simplified to cater to a blurry "casual" concept while most players are in fact people willing to spend each evening raiding, the stuff made too important, class balance permanently changing because of whiners, and ultimately, all classes are now able to perform 2 to 3 different roles, making their initial uniqueness irrelevant. Raiding has become irrelevant and easy in 10 man, and ridiculously difficult for non-hardcore in  25 man with the precise timing required to beat each encounter.

In future times, the actual form of WOW will be the base for the next Blizzard MMO, and i hate the actual form; sadly, i doubt any other developper will ever have the talent or funding to make a game of equal quality as Vanilla WoW, so that means MMO are over for me...

Yea ill blindly trust Blizzard and know that whatever game they release next will be great, Just like i did with Diablo 2, Sratcraft and Warcraft 3 with their respective expacks. Ive got more than my monies worth with each of those games (WoW included).

Keep in mind that all of these games have been lauded by videogame critcs the world over. And while you fools would like to play the Mcdonalds card ad nauseum and say that quantity =/= quality, the fact remains, that people who are payed to break down and analyse various aspects of a game, find Blizzard's games to be one of (and often) the best in the industry.

But keep posting your mindless drivel, i find it highly entertaining. Heck its the only reason i even come here.

Where you guys getting your statistics?

making them up usually works in Politcs and anything to win a argument, but i prefer true facts. not made up.

As for the Gamer thing: all real gamers either quit wow at first expansion, or are old people; relation to that: my mom plays wow, and has a guild of over 300 people who are all over 35, average of 40's. and the only game they play is WOW, flash games dont count. Also there in PVE servers because they suck at PVP. if you suck at PVP most likely not that great at PVE either.

Originally posted by Skudd

Yea ill blindly trust Blizzard and know that whatever game they release next will be great, Just like i did with Diablo 2, Sratcraft and Warcraft 3 with their respective expacks. Ive got more than my monies worth with each of those games (WoW included).

 

Keep in mind that all of these games have been lauded by videogame critcs the world over. And while you fools would like to play the Mcdonalds card ad nauseum and say that quantity =/= quality, the fact remains, that people who are payed to break down and analyse various aspects of a game, find Blizzard's games to be one of (and often) the best in the industry.

 

But keep posting your mindless drivel, i find it highly entertaining. Heck its the only reason i even come here.

Wow was only good for sells other then that the game was full of lies and a waste of time.  Yep we all got or money worth.

Mark my words as soon as someone gets the balls and brains to make a mmorpg that goes against the philosophy of Blizzards no one will ever play another Blizzards game again. There are just as many people that hate this game as there is that enjoy it.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by leumasx7

 

Aiming the game at the casuals??  about 1% of all the guilds in wow have killed yougsoran on hardmode, and 99% cant even reach him on normal mode, and 0.5% have killed algalon, so you kepet alking about casuals and no challenege, yet the major playerbase cant even kill yogsoran or alglaon.  Let alone do sarth+3  Infact I would take a guess less than 30% of the guilds have killed sarth_+3 on 10 man or 25 man.

So u kepe talking about casuals etc, so a few thousand can clear Ulduar out of millions yet its casual??

 

i think it's cuz most of the "guilds" are not real gamers. there just people looking to do something else not involving their life.

most real gamers on wow, just pvp.

It is even worse.

Only 0.06% of the Raiders achieved the hardest achievement in the Ulduar Raid.

That's an average of 1 guild for ... every 5 to 6 servers. 1 Guild of around 30 players out of 60.000 players.

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So people here in this forum thread stating they don't like Wow because it has no challenge ... clearly have no clue what happens in the game.

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As for PvP: Try getting Deadly Gladiator title achievement;: that's 3 people out of .... 200.000 (tx to the 20 clustered PvP competition).

Now that is what I would call a challenge instead of standing anonymous in the crowd of meaningless "crowd" world pvp.

That's unique PvP heroism.

Yeah: talking of a challenge.

thought i should just mention this...

around 24 people have "arena master" on horde side of my server. and about  200 or more have gladiator. just on horde. on 1 server.

and as for achievements. 4 guilds "25 players each" have all herioc ulduar achievements on horde on my server.

around 6 -9 guilds have all normal ulduar achievements on horde on my server.

and on side note: supposibly my server is a laggy noob's server, and they say this mainly for horde. even if we were home for some of the top guilds in classic.

Personally I never trusted Blizzard in the first place.  Sure, they make very stable games, but for me there were much better RPG/Adventure games out around the time Diablo/Diablo II were released.  There are much better RTS games on the market than War/Starcraft; and I never cared for WoW.

So all-in-all I haven't ever personally found a reason that Blizzard has been so crazy successful.  I guess my idea of fun just doesn't equate to the Blizzard-norm.

/shrug

What's all this BS about class balance? You dweebs talk about this unbalance every day and dont have a fucking clue about your toons to ant extent whatsoever... WoW is a very complex game 50 times more complex than the hardware / video debacle developers have to go through in terms of support, so how you can sit there and say a class is unbalanced constatnly baffles me..With litterally hundreds and millions of armor, gear, potion, buff, trinkets, scrolls, food and more and you call it unbalanced? Have you tried every one of 10 million combinations?

I bet you havent even paired up .005% of the combination of things you can wield and face opponents you think defeat you due to this "unbalanced" claim you make.. Saying the classes are unbalanced is a complete copout, and just makes your forehead glow with the words MORON, LOSER, NEWB, etc in a flash rotating manner.

Looks like the majority don't agree with the Original Poster(62%). I had fun for the time that I played. The game was more stable and bug free than any other MMO I had experienced. I don't agree with every decision they made (particuliary death knights) but for the most part I'm happy with what I paid for. That's far more than what I got with Star Wars Galaxies or Warhammer.

Originally posted by PeterPorker

What's all this BS about class balance? You dweebs talk about this unbalance every day and dont have a fucking clue about your toons to ant extent whatsoever... WoW is a very complex game 50 times more complex than the hardware / video debacle developers have to go through in terms of support, so how you can sit there and say a class is unbalanced constatnly baffles me..With litterally hundreds and millions of armor, gear, potion, buff, trinkets, scrolls, food and more and you call it unbalanced? Have you tried every one of 10 million combinations?

I bet you havent even paired up .005% of the combination of things you can wield and face opponents you think defeat you due to this "unbalanced" claim you make.. Saying the classes are unbalanced is a complete copout, and just makes your forehead glow with the words MORON, LOSER, NEWB, etc in a flash rotating manner.

 

 

Which brings us back to the wow community problem......

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by jerlot65

Originally posted by PeterPorker

What's all this BS about class balance? You dweebs talk about this unbalance every day and dont have a fucking clue about your toons to ant extent whatsoever... WoW is a very complex game 50 times more complex than the hardware / video debacle developers have to go through in terms of support, so how you can sit there and say a class is unbalanced constatnly baffles me..With litterally hundreds and millions of armor, gear, potion, buff, trinkets, scrolls, food and more and you call it unbalanced? Have you tried every one of 10 million combinations?

I bet you havent even paired up .005% of the combination of things you can wield and face opponents you think defeat you due to this "unbalanced" claim you make.. Saying the classes are unbalanced is a complete copout, and just makes your forehead glow with the words MORON, LOSER, NEWB, etc in a flash rotating manner.

 

 

 

Which brings us back to the wow community problem......

 

Yes, and the WoW haters are an extreme example. ...

 

No wow hater here, loved the game.  Its time for me has past though.  I can agree class balance has been alot better then it was in the past.  But it took them 4 years to actually do it.
 

Originally posted by PeterPorker

What's all this BS about class balance? You dweebs talk about this unbalance every day and dont have a fucking clue about your toons to ant extent whatsoever... WoW is a very complex game 50 times more complex than the hardware / video debacle developers have to go through in terms of support, so how you can sit there and say a class is unbalanced constatnly baffles me..With litterally hundreds and millions of armor, gear, potion, buff, trinkets, scrolls, food and more and you call it unbalanced? Have you tried every one of 10 million combinations?

I bet you havent even paired up .005% of the combination of things you can wield and face opponents you think defeat you due to this "unbalanced" claim you make.. Saying the classes are unbalanced is a complete copout, and just makes your forehead glow with the words MORON, LOSER, NEWB, etc in a flash rotating manner.

 

 

What you're saying is true. So if you're developer and had half a brain why would you create something like 2v2 (theres more people doing 2v2 than 3v3 and 5v5 combined) that shows up the flaws in class balancing.

Did anyone care about class inbalance in AV (before it was just a PvE zerg)? No, with 40v40 class balance is largely immaterial.

There is every possible combination of classes in 2v2 but funny how paladins, death knights, rogues and druids always end up dominating isnt it?

Get rid of arena and 99.9% of the complaints about class balance would disappear.

My wow account is currently active, but won't be billed again atm. I played for almost 4 years without ever even taking much of a break. Lately nothing has been able to keep my interest long anyway.

I'm actually leaving wow for the time being mostly over class balance, or the lack thereof. I definitely think they have repeatedly dropped the ball there, but that doesnt mean i wont play their new mmo, or even give wow a try again with the next expansion, or big patch. I actually was cancelled and reupped for 3.2 but it didnt do much for me so done again.

Now, you certainly wont be missed by them, or the community. You're like an anti-fanboi, so be it. Your opinions are valid, if a little bit tainted. The nature of mmos is change, evolution, revolution however you want to call it.

Class balance has never, can never and will never.... i repeat NEVER happen in an mmo. Some get close, then change stuff, have to redo stuff, change more etc. It's not a Blizzard problem, its an mmo thing. The problem is all developers seem to have this knee jerk reaction thing, rather than a slow methodical whittling, they lop things off. Even Bliz has done this both ways, right and wrong, over the coarse of wow. Some classes get hit with a nerf bat the size of a redwood tree, others get hit with a little nerf pencil over and over instead. If they'd just apply the same style of small changes more frequently to each class, i think mmos in general would be far better off.

Friend of mine explains it really well, you're either happy with your current class and the state of the mmo you're playing, or you're not. Pick a new class, or pick a new game, simple as that. Whining and moaning is not gonna change it, no matter how self-important, self-absorbed and loud you are. You wanna do it better, go work in the industry, and see how wrong you are.

Blizzard has earned there respect over the years through all there games, no game company is perfect. For some thats statement is laughable, but as far as blizzard i have as much respect for them now as i did 4 years ago when wow launched. It was a solid game then and it continues to be today and the foreseable future. Some people love it ,some hate it but the truth lies in its numbers. I no longer play it although i spent several years doing so, and i tell u if it got a graphichs overhaul id be tempted to return. Maybe someday i shall we will see.