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Laughing-man
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Joined: 4/23/09
I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes. |
Originally posted by Drughi
BC and Wrath are way better than origional WoW. I'm sorry but actually having itemization that makes LOGICAL SENSE is a good thing. Having classes actually ATTEMPTED to be balanced rather than just a rock paper sissors schtick. Trying to get 25 people organized instead of 40. These are all great things, great great things. Why is it every time a person stops playing a game they assume that EVERYONE else feels the same way they do? I've played WoW off and on since release, every time I come back I find something new to love about it. |
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Sometimes I think about starting up WoW again, but I quickly get a kind of "meh" feeling when I start thinking about what I would be doing in the game. And when I look at what Blizzard have provided as so called expansions and dare to charge me extra for I see nothing but a repetition of the already core element of the game: to acquiring new gear to acquiring new gear to acquiring new gear to be able to look exactly like anybody else of the same class as you. I am not looking particually forward to any game Blizzard might be producing as it seems their game creativity and desire to experiment with innovative ideas is at an all time low. Double "meh". |
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NO! Blizzard turned to a pretty greedy company. Throwing low quality patches like 3.2! Even asking for money to watch the stream of blizzcon? I know that every company seeks profits but each company draws a line and retains some qualities. After 5 years of playing WoW Im sad to say but Blizzard is just greedy.
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Originally posted by Laughing-man
BC and Wrath are way better than origional WoW. I'm sorry but actually having itemization that makes LOGICAL SENSE is a good thing. Having classes actually ATTEMPTED to be balanced rather than just a rock paper sissors schtick. Trying to get 25 people organized instead of 40. These are all great things, great great things. Why is it every time a person stops playing a game they assume that EVERYONE else feels the same way they do? I've played WoW off and on since release, every time I come back I find something new to love about it. i have played wow up to wrath, 3 chars full gear, all content cleaned before this patch, aah, i cleaned content with pickups in hero mode, but uldar.. that is crap
and in all ways they still copy graphics and items and IA scripts from previous expansions and for me now, is the borest game i ever played |
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PapaB34R
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Joined: 11/15/04
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I have alot of issues with the late warcraft games and WoW, the lore for one and the chilidish nature of it, could just as well be made by cartoon network. Its sad to see the beuty of the old warcraft lore, the brutality and gore, the man verus beast sentementality go to complete waste. First Warcraft 3 then WoW, why would they cut out so much of their previous core, its heart.. only to make more money of course, their greedy and wants to have as many potential customers as possible ala mainstream. Thing is most adults dont want to play kids games, we want blood, gore and desire more then something made by Disney. This is one of the reasons AoC was so hyped. AoC failed but thats not important, the peoples desire to have something more brutal and savage then the 11+ game blizzard provide is. I dont want to be treated as a child, I want blood, gore and foul language, after all its war isnt it! Not some afternoon tea party. Aside from the kiddy looks and touch Id very much like to get rid of the EQ buttom mashing, although that has little or nothing to do with wether Il trust Blizzard again.'
If Il ever buy a Blizzard MMO again then it may not be mainstreamed and certainly not one made for children(11+).
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No. And I didn't trust Blizzard in the first place. Don't say I didn't played WoW coz I do. I just hate the end game content of it and everything especially the other players / trolls out there. Raiding is not fun, it's essentially an hours nightly time-sink where you spend time with fuckheads who are absolutely miserable in their lives, and get enjoyment out of having some measure of "power" in a tiny corner of the internet, stroking their e-peens over DPS or healing numbers, and boasting about their "knowledge" of the mechanics of a cartoon video game. Angry now huh? Seriously, I think the saddest people in the world are end-game WoW players. Take a look at any individual realm forum and you'll see the same thing. A mixture of grown men and teenagers incessantly arguing with each other about who's a noob and who's got the best gear/arena rating/dungeon progression on the server. And these are people who invest time equivalent to a full-time job: recruitment posts on the official forums are filled with GMs looking for people who can raid six nights a week, four to six hours each night. Pretty soon you start to realize the entire game is filled with miserable people. The bottom line is, enjoy the game while it's new and fresh, but don't get sucked into it. If you do, it might be a while before you realize you're not having any fun, and the only reason you're still playing is the carrot-on-a-stick in the form of a new piece of gear or a new patch. Now hate me for that.
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Originally posted by Mazin One game do have good balance: Guildwars. They have an employe who has been working full time on balancing and watching PvP. They also have PvE only skills. Blizzard have enough money to put someone working full time on balance also but they havn't, that is why the balance is so bad. Games like WAR can not afford having someone only working on that and that is understandable but Blizzard is the richest MMO company out there. It might not be possible to have 100% balance for a game like Wow but it sure is possible for them to have a lot better balance. As for if I trust Blizzard, I don't really care. After Jeff Strain quited things went downhill, even thoough I have to admit Kaplan is good. He does not work on Wow anymore either however and the complaints from players have skyrocket since after they moved him to the new game. I loved Diablo (not D2) and liked Warcraft 3. As for D3 i think it will just be more of the same we seen in D2, the first game changed action based fantasy games forever but the second game have few new things. If Blizzard want me to start playing one of their game again they will have to renew themselves agai, like they did with the first Diablo. |
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Originally posted by Drughi i have played wow up to wrath, 3 chars full gear, all content cleaned before this patch, aah, i cleaned content with pickups in hero mode, but uldar.. that is crap
and in all ways they still copy graphics and items and IA scripts from previous expansions and for me now, is the borest game i ever played
Why even lie. Just why. |
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Originally posted by Reccoo i have played wow up to wrath, 3 chars full gear, all content cleaned before this patch, aah, i cleaned content with pickups in hero mode, but uldar.. that is crap
and in all ways they still copy graphics and items and IA scripts from previous expansions and for me now, is the borest game i ever played
Why even lie. Just why. not lieing, in wrath it became the easier game i ever played, but uldar ofc pre wrath for example it was more challenging, now is a lot of easier, try it, make a PUG and try |
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Originally posted by Loke666
ALL WOW classes are represented in the top teams of 3vs3 and 5vs5 in Arena torunaments both IN game and out of the game. In fact the first two teams (3vs3) that attained the 3000+ ladder status consisted of ... 5 different classes So I don't have a clue what you are talking about. the usual Wow vomit of course. And guess what your adored so much loved Jesff Starin JUST QUIT the GW2 team. Say goodbye to your hero. GW2 was postponed by at least 2 years .... a week after WotLK went Beta. Says it all really.
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Originally posted by Drughi
Why even lie. Just why. not lieing, in wrath it became the easier game i ever played, but uldar ofc pre wrath for example it was more challenging, now is a lot of easier, try it, make a PUG and try
sorry how was it more challenging pre wrath? kara was no challenge, grull was no challenge, mh was no challenge, ssc, TK was no challenge, hell BT was no challenge, Hell none of even original wow raids were challenge, original wow raids were 40 man raids of 10-15 people afk for most of it, none of it was challenging. You say u cleared all content, then u go onto say again u cleared all but Ulduar but say its all easy. Nice one. I doubt u have even killed maylgos in 25 man let alone cleared Ulduar hell i doubt u can even accomplish killin sarth_+3. |
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
And guess what your adored so much loved Jesff Starin JUST QUIT the GW2 team. Say goodbye to your hero. GW2 was postponed by at least 2 years .... a week after WotLK went Beta. Says it all really.
Get your facts straight m8, Jeff didnt work on GW2 as he was an NCSoft employee and not ANet
And GW2 is postponed most likely for aion and has fuck all to do with wow
And you as blizzard fanboi should give jeff a little bit more credit as he was of an huge importance for Blizzard |
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Originally posted by Reccoo
Why even lie. Just why. not lieing, in wrath it became the easier game i ever played, but uldar ofc pre wrath for example it was more challenging, now is a lot of easier, try it, make a PUG and try
sorry how was it more challenging pre wrath? kara was no challenge, grull was no challenge, mh was no challenge, ssc, TK was no challenge, hell BT was no challenge, Hell none of even original wow raids were challenge, original wow raids were 40 man raids of 10-15 people afk for most of it, none of it was challenging. You say u cleared all content, then u go onto say again u cleared all but Ulduar but say its all easy. Nice one. I doubt u have even killed maylgos in 25 man let alone cleared Ulduar hell i doubt u can even accomplish killin sarth_+3. i did not clear uldar cause i canceled my account before it was released because i did not have nothing left to do there. the number of guys in a raid does not make anything more or less challeging, its the content by itself, BC was not hard, but it was still somehow challenging, but wrath is ridiculous, i cannot talk aabout uldar cause i do not know it, but my old guild mates told me is hard to do .. in all ways i dont care, wow is ended for me and for blizz long time ago and you are right, i did not do shat +3 either, i forgot that mode for shatharion, my apologies |
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Originally posted by Drughi not lieing, in wrath it became the easier game i ever played, but uldar ofc pre wrath for example it was more challenging, now is a lot of easier, try it, make a PUG and try
sorry how was it more challenging pre wrath? kara was no challenge, grull was no challenge, mh was no challenge, ssc, TK was no challenge, hell BT was no challenge, Hell none of even original wow raids were challenge, original wow raids were 40 man raids of 10-15 people afk for most of it, none of it was challenging. You say u cleared all content, then u go onto say again u cleared all but Ulduar but say its all easy. Nice one. I doubt u have even killed maylgos in 25 man let alone cleared Ulduar hell i doubt u can even accomplish killin sarth_+3. i did not clear uldar cause i canceled my account before it was released because i did not have nothing left to do there. the number of guys in a raid does not make anything more or less challeging, its the content by itself, BC was not hard, but it was still somehow challenging, but wrath is ridiculous, i cannot talk aabout uldar cause i do not know it, but my old guild mates told me is hard to do .. in all ways i dont care, wow is ended for me and for blizz long time ago and you are right, i did not do shat +3 either, i forgot that mode for shatharion, my apologizes
See now I know you are a liar, in your previous posts u say u cleared everything just before this patch hit, and now u are saying u quit before Ulduar went live, which one is it?? Get ur story correct. U kepe talking about challenging, so what was challenging i keep asking you but u cannot name it. Se u keep saying u cleared all content but then i pick holes in ur statements and then u say u couldnt even kil sarth+3. Dont come on here and just blantantly lie and act like people wont notice. Is a shame what this site and people on this site have just turned into. People just outright lying. |
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Originally posted by templarga
1. Cross faction transfers - Many people want this. I know a lot of players who are excited about it including myself. I have asked before and will ask again - name me one negative of this. Just one REAL negative and not an opinion - one thing that it will do to ruin the game. 2. Class balance. - Name me one game that doesn't struggle with this. Class balance is a MYTH. Classes will never be balanced especially when dealing with games like WOW where PVP can be done on a 1 vs 1 level all the way to 100+ players. If you balance for 1 vs 1, its unbalanced with larger numbers. If you balance for larger numbers, its unbalanced at 1 vs 1. True class balance will never happen unless the classes are identical. Even mirroring them like WAR, didn't work. 3. Promises of "meaningful" PVP. This one I will agree with to an extent. I have always considered PVP in WOW to be an after thought - meaning not its major focus anyway. I have not seen many games with meaningful PVP in a while either - AOC and WAR certainly not. For me, meaningful PVP ended with DAOC. 4. Character recustomization, including gender and name changes. - Um, so?!? How is this bad? 5. Wanting 310% mounts to mean something ( Hello Ony Retcon!) This sounds like, to me, an elitist hardcore example of why the game sucks. Someone is upset that the game has gone the direction of the casual player and elitism in WOW ended with BC coming out. Gone are the 40 man raids and the top 10% of the population seeing all the content. Now WOW is for the casual gamer and better for it. The only ones who are upset over this are the ones who think their $15 is more important than the next person's.
Want more? You mean those things asked for by a lot of players? You mean those things that can hardly be called promises.....things that ever other MMO struggles with or does for its playerbase.
1. Many people want many different things. Doesn't make it right. Limits are there for a reason. Lore, game balance/feel, artistic design. The only reason why Blizzard would open up something like this is purely for the cash. Now days it is easy enough to delete/xfer a character and relevel (how easy have they made it with 3.2? Seriously?) as the other faction while still keeping that aspect of US verse THEM that Warcraft is based on. Again, money money money, don't even think for a second Blizzard did this because they finally started (randomly!) to think about the same small group of people that have been crying for this for years. 2. Was a meh point to begin with, did they promise it? He was just coming up with a few examples, if they did promise it then your point is invalid since they promised but never delivered... You can say how it is impossible, but even if they did promise the impossible, it is still a promise. 3. They did kinda do this via arena, don't know about the judgement behind that myself. WoW never really knew what it was, a PVP or PVE game? Originally of course, PVP supported the PVE. Later arena and within that Blizzard really did try hard even to the point of game changing changes for arena that affected PVE. And now days there is PVP with mario kart mechanics. 4. A promise is a promise, again. Dunno if they ever made it, but if they did then they did brake it. And name changing does kinda ruin the MMORPG feel, since MMORPGs are based on communities (and you role play within that community). What I'm changing to say is, someone ninjas, everyone hates him, ninja changes name, ninja's slate is clean (well, mostly anyway). If you get a bad rep for a good reason (e.g. someone getting abused could contact a GM and grab a name change), and change your name, doesn't that ruin the MMORPG style? 5. 'NO U CANT HAVE SPECIAL THINGS, U R NOT SPECIAL AND NO ONE IS SPECIAL EVERYONE IS EQUAL' Commy much? So he MUST be an elitist hardcore because of he thinks it should take talent and/or hard work to get something special? OH YES BECAUSE A FEW PEOPLE ARE CRYING BOUT IT MUST MEAN NOTHING CAN BE SPECIAL.
A lot of players ask for a lot of weird things, if game designers wanted to make each and everyone of them happy then they'd have a crap game... Just like you have now! Try to make everyone happy and in the end you won't make anyone happy. And TBH, Blizzard is only doing it for the money, server transfers, name changes, faction changes are just a few electrical signals in the long run (and player's subs already payed for the creation and maintenance of these services. "We want all players to enjoy the content" is just another phrase for "the majority of players don't discover the depth of our games (even though as a casual in vanilla, def knew the depth was there) while still paying the same price as the hardcore, so we might as well lower it in cost-effective direction while still maintaining the majority" And this kind of attitude is continuing, releasing Starcraft 2 in three packs, they KNOW Koreans will buy all three no matter way... Esp considering they are going to force them to upgrade each time a new one comes out. And no LAN? Lol you know events will actually have to pay to host their own servers now? It is a complete joke.
TLDR (a.k.a. summary): No, Blizzard is starting to show its NEW colours now and I do not at all trust them with this new business/money-milkage attitude they are taking. |
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Originally posted by Reccoo not lieing, in wrath it became the easier game i ever played, but uldar ofc pre wrath for example it was more challenging, now is a lot of easier, try it, make a PUG and try
sorry how was it more challenging pre wrath? kara was no challenge, grull was no challenge, mh was no challenge, ssc, TK was no challenge, hell BT was no challenge, Hell none of even original wow raids were challenge, original wow raids were 40 man raids of 10-15 people afk for most of it, none of it was challenging. You say u cleared all content, then u go onto say again u cleared all but Ulduar but say its all easy. Nice one. I doubt u have even killed maylgos in 25 man let alone cleared Ulduar hell i doubt u can even accomplish killin sarth_+3. i did not clear uldar cause i canceled my account before it was released because i did not have nothing left to do there. the number of guys in a raid does not make anything more or less challeging, its the content by itself, BC was not hard, but it was still somehow challenging, but wrath is ridiculous, i cannot talk aabout uldar cause i do not know it, but my old guild mates told me is hard to do .. in all ways i dont care, wow is ended for me and for blizz long time ago and you are right, i did not do shat +3 either, i forgot that mode for shatharion, my apologizes
See now I know you are a liar, in your previous posts u say u cleared everything just before this patch hit, and now u are saying u quit before Ulduar went live, which one is it?? Get ur story correct. U kepe talking about challenging, so what was challenging i keep asking you but u cannot name it. Se u keep saying u cleared all content but then i pick holes in ur statements and then u say u couldnt even kil sarth+3. Dont come on here and just blantantly lie and act like people wont notice. Is a shame what this site and people on this site have just turned into. People just outright lying.
he could always link us his armory profile, the acheivements will show if he clear EOE,OS,NAXX and Uduar (on hard mode ofc). Even if hes quit his toon will still be there.. but i guess he delete his toons before quiting so he cant show is, right?
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Originally posted by Leucrotta
I dont hate wow, but I dont need 11 million people to tell me what i think. and i said I or the other billions which is just as irrelivant then the 11 million
Again... The poster never said that you, directed at you in person, paid for WoW. He said that you, as in a group or as in a single person, dont pay for something they don't want to. Your argument with the rest the billions of people, c'mon... You have to stay in the topic at hand and this topics border stretches about those FEW people out of those billions of people that are playing MMORPG. With you arguments MMORPG at all is a nonexistent market as it is merely a few millions of poel out of the billions that actually plays MMORPG's So again just to reiterate, those 11 millions players for WoW don't pay for their game because thay are forced to. People are not paying for something that is free to do at will if they do not want. You just don't do that, you is not only you exclusive here...
-------- In English grammar, generic you or indefinite you is the use of the pronoun you to refer to an unspecified person. Generic one is the use of one in the same way. In casual English, the second person pronoun you often takes on the additional role of a generic pronoun. The pronoun one can serve this function as well, but is rarely seen outside the most formal styles; the Oxford English Dictionary states that the use of this word as a pronoun in English "may have been influenced" by French on, which is not a number, but a descendant of Latin homo, "human being, person". One's most common use is to represent the sense "I and other people", as in Jane Austen's: I do not think him so very ill-looking as I did — at least one sees many worse. — Mansfield Park (1814) In some works of fiction, especially those written in second-person narrative, generic one is used to contrast with the you who refers to the narrating character specifically: As long as one is at one's desk by ten-thirty, one is relatively safe. Somehow you manage to miss this banker's deadline at least once a week. — Jay McInerney, Bright Lights, Big City (1984) Even in other formal situations, generic one is much less common than generic you when giving instructions, as it seems especially remote and stuffy. The genitive case is especially awkward: One always should wash one's hands. In more idiomatic speech, this would be rendered as You should always wash your hands. The imperfect domestication of generic one has caused respected writers to lose track of grammatical agreement, producing constructions such as one … they: … in a nasty Scottish jail, where one cannot even get the dirt brushed off their clothes. — Sir Walter Scott one … he: And one must be careful not to shoot himself. — Stuart Chase, in The Tyranny of Words and one … you: When one is very old, as I am … your legs give in before your head does. — George Bernard Shaw Generic you, by contrast, creates no such difficulties. Other circumlocutions are resorted to in English to avoid the awkwardness of generic one, such as resort to the passive voice. The idiomatic English translation of the French sentence Ici on parle français, literally, "here one speaks French" or "here someone speaks French", is "French is spoken here". Spanish, Portuguese and some other Romance languages resort to a reflexive verb in this context: se habla español/fala-se português, literally "Spanish/Portuguese speaks itself" but meaning "Spanish/Portuguese is spoken". Since the more recent traditions of linguistic prescription and usage commentary in English also discourage the passive voice, this too may draw criticism. The phenomenon of generic you, though decried in the works of some still-read prescriptivist grammarians, is so widespread that it is nearly standard usage. The writer and usage commentator E. B. White wrote that: As for me, I try to avoid the impersonal one but have discovered that it is like a face you keep encountering in the streets and can't always avoid bowing to. This is not the first case of a pronoun changing meaning, or acquiring an additional meaning, over time. The word you originally referred strictly to the second-person plural, being cognate with the German ihr and the French vous. When the second-person singular form thou was abandoned, you absorbed its functions. Note that you can be ambiguous; it is not always obvious whether the generic you or a semantically second-person you is meant. For example, in "you never know what John is thinking about", you could as easily refer to the audience as to people in general. Sometimes stress and intonation can help convey the difference; for example, generic you is typically unstressed, whereas a stressed you usually refers to the audience. -------------- So yeah... You could seem abit frustrated and adding egocentric. I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention. |
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The same thing thats happened to WoW has happened to all other mmorpgs and thats the developers make mistakes and take the game the wrong direction which isn't towards gameplay but towards the casuals and the money. |
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Laughing-man
Advanced Member
Joined: 4/23/09
I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes. |
Originally posted by John.A.Zoid
Aiming a game at the 10% of "hard core" players doesn't sound very logical to me. Look how well it worked for Darkfall and all the other nitche games like that... Casual games make money, money is good because it buys things, like food. I like eatting, I bet so do Blizzard employees. You know no one complained about Console games being aimed at the casual player, in fact most of you praise the WII for being so dang inovative and getting grandma into the gamer mentality. So why do we hate on MMO's that make it so everyone can play? IT DOES NOT MANY ANY SENSE. |
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I know one thing. I trust Blizzard in giving me games I like to play and play and play. I don't trust WoW hating posters though as they seem to publish lie after lie after lie. http://www.xfire.com/genre/mmo/massively_multiplayer_online/ That graph hurts isn't it .. haters ? :)))
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This thread is rediculous.
If you aimed this at Funcom about AoC you might just hold some merit. But comon, no matter what shit you spout you know as well as I that come first day of their new mmo, you - along with a lot of other millions of people - will be playing it. No matter what they "promise".
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Originally posted by coffee
sorry how was it more challenging pre wrath? kara was no challenge, grull was no challenge, mh was no challenge, ssc, TK was no challenge, hell BT was no challenge, Hell none of even original wow raids were challenge, original wow raids were 40 man raids of 10-15 people afk for most of it, none of it was challenging. You say u cleared all content, then u go onto say again u cleared all but Ulduar but say its all easy. Nice one. I doubt u have even killed maylgos in 25 man let alone cleared Ulduar hell i doubt u can even accomplish killin sarth_+3. i did not clear uldar cause i canceled my account before it was released because i did not have nothing left to do there. the number of guys in a raid does not make anything more or less challeging, its the content by itself, BC was not hard, but it was still somehow challenging, but wrath is ridiculous, i cannot talk aabout uldar cause i do not know it, but my old guild mates told me is hard to do .. in all ways i dont care, wow is ended for me and for blizz long time ago and you are right, i did not do shat +3 either, i forgot that mode for shatharion, my apologizes
See now I know you are a liar, in your previous posts u say u cleared everything just before this patch hit, and now u are saying u quit before Ulduar went live, which one is it?? Get ur story correct. U kepe talking about challenging, so what was challenging i keep asking you but u cannot name it. Se u keep saying u cleared all content but then i pick holes in ur statements and then u say u couldnt even kil sarth+3. Dont come on here and just blantantly lie and act like people wont notice. Is a shame what this site and people on this site have just turned into. People just outright lying.
he could always link us his armory profile, the acheivements will show if he clear EOE,OS,NAXX and Uduar (on hard mode ofc). Even if hes quit his toon will still be there.. but i guess he delete his toons before quiting so he cant show is, right? Yep spot on. |
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I would definitely be trying and playing Blizzard's next MMO. Even if it gives me half the years of enjoyment I had with WoW, it'll still a rather big period of time and will definitely be worth it. |
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Originally posted by Leucrotta
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What lies are those exactly?? Because the only lies I ever see are the wow hating trolls on this site claiming this and that to be fact, but never back their claims up. |
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Originally posted by Laughing-man
Aiming a game at the 10% of "hard core" players doesn't sound very logical to me. Look how well it worked for Darkfall and all the other nitche games like that... Casual games make money, money is good because it buys things, like food. I like eatting, I bet so do Blizzard employees. You know no one complained about Console games being aimed at the casual player, in fact most of you praise the WII for being so dang inovative and getting grandma into the gamer mentality. So why do we hate on MMO's that make it so everyone can play? IT DOES NOT MANY ANY SENSE.
Cause aiming for the casuals has just broken the game and besides I don't like consoles or casual games so it makes no sense for me. If people stopped making games aimed at people like me then I wouldn't be playing games anymore. |
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