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Originally posted by popinjay
Yea Jefferson was literally referring to blood. It was during the revolutionary war. |
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8/12/09 12:26:02 PM#27
Originally posted by popinjay Calm down, I was not saying you said that. I was simply asking a question. Is that allowable without accusing me of accusing you of something? |
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8/12/09 12:26:52 PM#28
Originally posted by popinjay If Obama turns into a tyrant or any president for that matter I imagine this guy will be dead serious also. Surely you are not suggesting we live meekly under a tryant? |
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8/12/09 12:28:15 PM#29
The one thing that continues to amaze me, is how these people keep popping up and everyone and their brother keeps making excuses for them, as if they are harmless. Then when something happens, they all act shocked and want to point fingers to something else that triggered the nut. |
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8/12/09 12:31:53 PM#30
Originally posted by popinjay
I imagine locking people up for expressing their 1st and 2nd Amendment rights could be a tigger. |
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8/12/09 12:33:35 PM#31
Originally posted by Dekron So, do you think this man should be charged with an assumption of thought crime? Holy Strawman...
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8/12/09 12:35:46 PM#32
Originally posted by popinjay It's interesting how people's beliefs can be so close, yet so different.
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8/12/09 12:37:23 PM#33
Originally posted by Munki Holy Strawman...
The whole strawman comments are seriously geting old. If you would have taken the time to read further down, you would have seen my additional comment to pop. Is one not simply allowed to ask a question? |
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8/12/09 12:37:34 PM#34
When Obama shows up at the next townhall meeting strapped with a gun to his hip and referring to bloodletting, then our beliefs might merge closer together. |
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8/12/09 12:40:34 PM#35
[quote]Originally posted by Porfat
I imagine locking people up for expressing their 1st and 2nd Amendment rights could be a tigger.[/quote] Another horrible mischaracterization. Again, exactly WHO in this thread said the gun nut should be "locked up"? |
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Astropuyo
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8/12/09 12:40:36 PM#36
Originally posted by popinjay Thing is , if this does turn into Tyranny I would not be shocked. I keep my eyes open on roller coasters, never been the type to close them.
I totally get the gist of what he is saying, and really is it the gun or the sign that "scares" us? Naturally the combination of them seems appalling to us NOW. However during and after the revolution, it was not uncustomary to arrive at meetings with arms. It sent a clear message and a nod to our founders. It said "we can still do something if you so choose to oppress us".
Now do I believe Obama is a tyrant? No. Did I believe Bush was? No.
I have yet to see a president for the united states be a TRUE tyrant, Nixon was as close as I can think of , even then he wasn't really all that bad compared to STALIN.
What I fear is Americans in general have never been truly oppressed. The closest thing would of been the Slaves; black,white,yellow.. (Indentured servitude/ flat out slavery) I'm talking executions for meetings,religion, race. Sure we have had isolated hatred , but nothing that rivals say...Somalia. Or even Iraq.
We are like the spoiled little kid whom when he doesn't get his toy screams UNFAIR, meanwhile the kid down the block is being beaten by daddy. That's my opinion in total. I view even myself as a spoiled child of a world being beaten by daddy. 
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8/12/09 12:49:41 PM#37
Our system of government makes a tyrant impossible. It's why the framers made it that way.
Even in states where people are allowed to wear them, most DON'T. If a bunch of people started walking around like this guy with signs about anything they wanted, sooner or later people being people are gonna clash. Then the "other side" (whichever that is) starts to arm up. When that happens, it will be bad and spread overnight. There are some who are trying to make this happen by saying "race wars" and such.
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seabass2003
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8/12/09 1:01:48 PM#38
So carrying a gun and quoting one of our founding fathers makes him a lunatic? In America I have bad teeth. If I lived in England my teeth would be perfect. |
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Astropuyo
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8/12/09 1:02:14 PM#39
Originally posted by popinjay Things they don't realize in times of Civil War, freedoms become less and less (non existant). I know this is diverting the topic, so forgive me.
The funniest thing about it is I often wonder if people who want a civil war to happen just want a change in life. A chance at excitement. I wonder how many truly live with passion over these matters and how many just want to fight with a "reason" behind it.
A little story, care or don't. I used to be by all means what would be labeled a Eco terrorist, as a youth. I did my recompense to the state long ago, I was a kid really. Anyhow later on in life I questioned myself hard on these matters. I came to the conclusion I went the earth first way of life more out of the excitement than caring for the globe. (Alot do if you think about it). I then joined up with greenpeace and went the softer way about things. Found myself so much more fufilled in cleaning a park. Rather than dismantling the lifts on bulldozers. (though the latter much more fun).
I from that standpoint of looking inward have come to the conclusion a VAST majority do not care for the cause, they just want some action. In doing so they will open a pandora's box that we will eventually suffer for. Not to say this guy with the sign is with that lot, but reading on the site in his sign disturbs me. I recant it could of been metaphorical. Dudes deadly serious.
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8/12/09 1:19:31 PM#40
Anyone else think he looks an awful lot like Bush. |
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8/12/09 1:20:59 PM#41
Originally posted by popinjay You are wrong! Only the citizens have the power to make tyranny impossible. The government power comes from the consent of the people it governs. The Constitution and 3 branches of government are nothing but tools for people who WANT to live in a free republic. It is the duty of every citizen to defend the Constitution other wise its just a piece of ancient parchment. |
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8/12/09 1:51:12 PM#42
They also have the power to make tyranny possible, which is what I was saying which you missed.
Any government would not allow it's citizens to do that and you can guarantee that's when a "tyrant" would strip the Constitution. When the actions of people made the Constitution's ideals threatened.
Constitutional rights do not trump public safety. And if these townyellers and some other people started going at it, you can BET there would be a suspension of carrying permits, right or NO right. Thus, the very nutcakes pushing against tyranny were the main ones to help bring it about. Just like some self-fulfilling prophecy. |
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protoroc
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8/12/09 1:57:47 PM#43
Originally posted by Sabiancym
You might as well just link the vid here if your gonna paraphrase Cenk. |
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Astropuyo
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8/12/09 2:06:32 PM#44
Originally posted by protoroc
You might as well just link the vid here if your gonna paraphrase Cenk.
After listening to the comments from the newscasters in voice, and not reading about it. They were stuttering and shocked. LIKE THIS IS NEW AND OMG worthy. One more step down the road to being anti american I go!
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Nifa
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8/12/09 11:46:06 PM#45
Originally posted by Sabiancym If the guy did show up with a sidearm and a sign that said that, then he is, in my opinion, an idiot. However, he is an idiot that is well within his rights as they currently stand in this country. Everyone has the right to do stupid things; it is a right we all take advantage of at least once a day. ;)
Still, in looking closely at the photo, a few things catch my attention: the angle on the sign appears to me, from the angle of the picture, wrong for him to be actually holding it with either hand, let alone both. There's a few inches' distance between his right hand and the sign, and his left arm is at the wrong angle entirely for him to be holding that sign at that angle. While it is possible that the cardboard backing on the sign has been folded, allowing him to hold it with one hand (his right, the left is still at far too incorrect an angle), it appears that the cardboard has been folded flat - if he had folded it back to use as a handle, the angle of the fold would need to be wider than it appears in the photo. Also, it appears as if the sign has three layers: the bottom cardboard, something written on bright yellow paper, then the Jefferson quote on top of that. There is also the fact that the white paper on which the Jefferson quote is written doesn't quite line up correctly with the rest of the sign. In fact, there are areas along the right hand side of the sign (right side as you are looking at the photo) that look slightly pixellated. I've had more than a little experience with protesters, notably Westboro Baptist and folks protesting our military's overseas deployments...while blocking said troops from returning home, no less and in those experiences, it has been extraordinarily rare (as in, I personally have never seen it, rare) for protesters to "paste over" old signs for re-use.
Just a few observations from the peanut gallery, but it wouldn't be the first time the media crossed the line on truth in journalism, would it? "You are obviously confusing a mature rating with actual maturity." -Asherman Maybe MMO is not your genre, go play Modern Warfare...or something you can be all twitchy...and rank up all night. This is seriously getting tired. -Ranyr |
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8/12/09 11:57:12 PM#46
Yeah, the AP is famous for fake photos that no one there proofs, then they put their stamp on it in the lower left like they did with this one. |
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8/13/09 12:12:00 AM#47
So it seems, from the outcome of previous town hall meetings, that guns are less dangerous than purple t-shirts. I think if I were going to a meeting where there was a good chance that SEIU members would be present, I would excersize any legal right I had to bear arms as well.
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8/13/09 12:41:47 AM#48
Originally posted by Nifa If the guy did show up with a sidearm and a sign that said that, then he is, in my opinion, an idiot. However, he is an idiot that is well within his rights as they currently stand in this country. Everyone has the right to do stupid things; it is a right we all take advantage of at least once a day. ;)
Still, in looking closely at the photo, a few things catch my attention: the angle on the sign appears to me, from the angle of the picture, wrong for him to be actually holding it with either hand, let alone both. There's a few inches' distance between his right hand and the sign, and his left arm is at the wrong angle entirely for him to be holding that sign at that angle. While it is possible that the cardboard backing on the sign has been folded, allowing him to hold it with one hand (his right, the left is still at far too incorrect an angle), it appears that the cardboard has been folded flat - if he had folded it back to use as a handle, the angle of the fold would need to be wider than it appears in the photo. Also, it appears as if the sign has three layers: the bottom cardboard, something written on bright yellow paper, then the Jefferson quote on top of that. There is also the fact that the white paper on which the Jefferson quote is written doesn't quite line up correctly with the rest of the sign. In fact, there are areas along the right hand side of the sign (right side as you are looking at the photo) that look slightly pixellated. I've had more than a little experience with protesters, notably Westboro Baptist and folks protesting our military's overseas deployments...while blocking said troops from returning home, no less and in those experiences, it has been extraordinarily rare (as in, I personally have never seen it, rare) for protesters to "paste over" old signs for re-use.
Just a few observations from the peanut gallery, but it wouldn't be the first time the media crossed the line on truth in journalism, would it? It's on video and he was interviewed. |
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Bigdavo
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''Life is what you make of it, not what others make of yours.'' |
8/13/09 1:40:45 AM#49
Can I just quickly remind all the Americans in this thread that they live in a 1st world country and not Somalia. There seems to be an obsession on these forums about end-times, tyrants, revolutions and other such nonsense. Not happening in your life-time, I think a lot of you have over-active minds. Continue. O_o o_O |
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8/13/09 2:28:17 AM#50
Originally posted by Bigdavo
Thank you!! My sentiment exactly! Finally someone with some common sense. To many people with far too much imagination and too much time on their hands making predictions that sound like something out of a Mad Max movie or a Fallout game. |
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