I find the most disciplined and best players tend to be the best grinders.  Grinding builds discipline.  Maybe that's why RPG players from asian territories generally outplay and outclass players from other regions.

Yep mental discipline, or eye problems.

lol. wow.

I find the dumbest and most braindead people to be the best grinders.
See what I did there?
 

My legion kicked out 2 players for complaining about grinding past level 20 during Closed Beta 5

It's a good way to weed out undisciplined players.

Originally posted by Emotep

My legion kicked out 2 players for complaining about grinding past level 20 during Closed Beta 5

It's a good way to weed out undisciplined players.

It is also a good way to prove your guild is led by elitist jerks.

Oh it's emotep, nevermind.  Didn't catch this guys name.  Can disreguard anything said by him, as it's only meant to provoke others.

Lol wow.

Originally posted by kalaren

Originally posted by Emotep

My legion kicked out 2 players for complaining about grinding past level 20 during Closed Beta 5

It's a good way to weed out undisciplined players.

 

It is also a good way to prove your guild is led by elitist jerks.

Nah, not really.  I see nothing wrong with removing people who can't grind.

I love grinding, but i dont think the culture you come from has to do anything at all with your "discipline"

To me grinding is a great way to kill time :) thats all

Emotep has a point, anyone complaining about leveling at 20 isn't ever going to continue playing Aion. It's better to get rid of them before they become a hassle and become a negative influence on a legion. It's bad for legion morale to have members quit than to have them kicked.

I played Lineage 2 for years, I can handle the leveling of Aion, but I can't say that about everyone else.

Originally posted by Emotep

My legion kicked out 2 players for complaining about grinding past level 20 during Closed Beta 5

It's a good way to weed out people with lives.

^^
Fixed that for ya.

It still blows my mind that people really think this game will be a mega hit, let alone direct competition for WoW.  After two weekends of this game, I'd rather play WAR or AoC and I don't like those games either.

Grinding is what boyfriends are for, not games.

Grinding is more of a good way to see who excels at shutting down his brain completely for longer periods of time.

Alot of grinding = Alot of bots

Have fun with your botfest.

Originally posted by Axxar

Grinding is more of a good way to see who excels at shutting down his brain completely for longer periods of time.

Yea but drinking is a funner way of shutting down the brain.

Originally posted by Vrazule

It still blows my mind that people really think this game will be a mega hit, let alone direct competition for WoW.  After two weekends of this game, I'd rather play WAR or AoC and I don't like those games either.

Well it blows my mind that people don't think this will be a mega hit when it already is and it hasn't even released yet in EU or NA.  The game is mediocre 1-25, but mid to end game it is really a pretty sick game.  Still though I don't think it will threaten WoW.  The players who aren't mindless drones have already left WoW and won't ever return.  The rest are lost causes and will move between WoW to Diablo 3 to Blizz's next MMO.

Since when did it matter if your favorite game was a complete POS sellout?  That is much more of a negative factor to me than a positive one.

Ah and on topic, grinding exists in all games.  WoW has a neverending gear grind that people keep falling for expansion after expansion.  Grind makes MMORPG's long lasting.  However Aion's grind is not what most people think with 1.5.  Ignorance is bliss though, and it is also entertaining when people on this forum take it and put it on a podium all oiled up for everyone to see in it's shiny oily glory.

Do I really have to spell it out for you?  It should have been obvious that my comment was in reference to the western market, since that is where this conversation is taking place, but whatever.

That's funny.  Seems to me that anyone who plays MMOs are considered mindless drones by the public at large, among other colorful labels as well.  A big part of that is because people see that the majority of gamers spend way too much time in game than is considered healthy.  I bet, if these MMOs had a lot less grinding, people would be less likely to sit in front of the computer for 6 hours straight.  Not only would this be healthier for the player, but would do tons to improve their real life image.

I'd agree that there is some sort of discipline earned from hours of grinding. Focusing on any one task and attaining a goal is a reward all in itself, but don't go patting yourself on the back. Games are still a form of entertainment, which means that there are better ways of learning self discipline if that is your goal in the first place...

Some people take the fun out of games (grind), and in my opinion I'd rather get my self discipline skills from somewhere else and leave gaming for the fun side of life. :-)

Grind doesnt seem to be working for the OP

Grinding is just practice. Even though it's a game.. you don't get to beat it because you paid for it. You gotta get good at it.

Whereas grinding might build mental discipline, so does the desire to do well.

/shrug

Originally posted by Vyeth

I'd agree that there is some sort of discipline earned from hours of grinding. Focusing on any one task and attaining a goal is a reward all in itself, but don't go patting yourself on the back. Games are still a form of entertainment, which means that there are better ways of learning self discipline if that is your goal in the first place...

Some people take the fun out of games (grind), and in my opinion I'd rather get my self discipline skills from somewhere else and leave gaming for the fun side of life. :-)

Nicely said. 

Originally posted by Vrazule

Do I really have to spell it out for you?  It should have been obvious that my comment was in reference to the western market, since that is where this conversation is taking place, but whatever.

That's funny.  Seems to me that anyone who plays MMOs are considered mindless drones by the public at large, among other colorful labels as well.  A big part of that is because people see that the majority of gamers spend way too much time in game than is considered healthy.  I bet, if these MMOs had a lot less grinding, people would be less likely to sit in front of the computer for 6 hours straight.  Not only would this be healthier for the player, but would do tons to improve their real life image.

If you wanna build mental discipline you should play Lineage 2.

It was a good laugh. :)

On a second thought, when I read some answers, people seem to even believe this and this is kinda "dangerous".

Ok, guys:

Doing the same thing over and over for hours without thinking, like pressing *click,1,2,3*, makes you DUMB.

Mental discipline...lol. I am yet missing the *it is because of the lore* argument.

Originally posted by Herodes

It was a good laugh. :)

On a second thought, when I read some answers, people seem to even believe this and this is kinda "dangerous".

Ok, guys:

Doing the same thing over and over for hours without thinking, like pressing *click,1,2,3*, makes you DUMB.

Mental discipline...lol. I am yet missing the *it is because of the lore* argument.

Real grinders grind effciently, which requires thought.

Something N. American players have yet to master.

Originally posted by Emotep

Originally posted by Herodes

It was a good laugh. :)

On a second thought, when I read some answers, people seem to even believe this and this is kinda "dangerous".

Ok, guys:

Doing the same thing over and over for hours without thinking, like pressing *click,1,2,3*, makes you DUMB.

Mental discipline...lol. I am yet missing the *it is because of the lore* argument.

 

Real grinders grind effciently, which requires thought.

Something N. American players have yet to master.

Real grinders write bots and let the computer do what it's good at. This Eastern Grinders thing is a myth. There's a difference between "can't" and "are too smart to." Isn't the purpose of modern technology to relieve us from the drudgery and free up time to do what we want? I think some people are missing the point of the concept "game."  You're trying to make a virtue of stupidity.