Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by declaredemer

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by declaredemer

Two Clintons, two Bushes, and one Obama . . . . and we still face the same problems. 

  Obama is the worst of the lot you mentioned -- BY FAR.

 

All that Obama has done is try to fix many of the errors of the Bush Admin and ensure the United States emerges from the Great Recession we are facing.  Banks said, "take our toxic debts or we will crush the economy by cutting off lending to consumers."  This policy occurred during the Bush Admin, merely accelerated during the Obama Admin.

 

 

 

As I said earlier, he is the worst of Bush on steroids.

The intense dislike for Obama perplexes me.  Karl Marx, e.g., was horrified over working conditions in England.  He had contempt for the privileged.  He would of course change politics in the world forever.  Stalinism, Marxism, Socialism, Leninism, Maoism, etc. are generally all grouped together as the same but they are not.

I was working out and watching CNN teayellers (or town yellers or whatever) talk about how she fears the United States is becoming "socialist like Russia."  WHERE WERE THESE YELLERS before the decision to go to war with Iraq?  Where were they when their own sons, daughters, and neighbors were cast-off to fight? Where were they when we nationalized banks, the car industry, and credit default insurance?  Why were they not yelling them?  But, when we want to FIX THEIR HEALTH CARE, mon dieu! they emerge!

Why this sudden, intense fear of "socialism"?  This seems to ME to be perplexing. 

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Vemoi

Originally posted by Fishermage 

Bush got two terms and won by a better margin the second time around. I didn't support him at all -- but he was far, far better than Obama. Obama is everything that was bad about Bush on steroids.

Not ranting, not raving, just looking at policy.

 Quit messing up a good rant with facts Fisher!

Anyways. Obama makes Bill Clinton look GREAT and even makes Carter look...well... I won't go that far. At least we survived Carter. Not sure if we can survive Obama.

 

Oh I'm sure the Republic will survive, and if Obama keeps it up, he will lose the congress in short order. I have faith in the American people. You can fool some of them some of the time, which is how Obama got elected, but you can't fool all of them all of the time, which will be his undoing.

If he is smart, like Clinton, he will  moderate his position when he loses the congress. If he doesn't, he will not be re-elected.

The best part of all of this is that people are beginning to realize it's about freedom, baby.

This is the big question and one that I've been thinking about lately.  And to be honest, I'm not so sure Obama will moderate his position.  The biggest difference between Bill Clinton and Obama, I believe, is that Clinton was a political survivor.  He did what it took to survive as president.  And after the '94 elections, that meant moderating his policies.

I think Obama is much more of an ideologue.  I think he is more interested in shoving his leftist views down America's throat than he is in his political survival (for one thing, he may not even realize how unpopular his policies are becoming).  The country has never moved this far to the left this fast.  Stimulus, Cap and Trade, healhtcare, nationalizing industry.  It's waking Americans up in a big way.  But Obama doesn't seem to be taking notice, at least not in terms of toning down his stance.

But the worst Obama is going to do in 2010 is lose the House.  The Democrats have too big of a lead in the Senate.  Clinton lost both the House and the Senate.  That may not be enough to moderate Obama's views.  But heck, if that leads to him being a one term president, that's fine with me.

No difference between Obama and Clinton so far, Obama is floundering on the exact same issue Clinton did. Clinton didn't get it through, maybe Obama won't either. Needless to say he is most likely to get any bill through in the opening months of his presidency. His best chance for a difficult bill is now in the early days of office, same as it was for Clinton.

Same old same old.

Originally posted by declaredemer

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by declaredemer

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by declaredemer

Two Clintons, two Bushes, and one Obama . . . . and we still face the same problems. 

  Obama is the worst of the lot you mentioned -- BY FAR.

 

All that Obama has done is try to fix many of the errors of the Bush Admin and ensure the United States emerges from the Great Recession we are facing.  Banks said, "take our toxic debts or we will crush the economy by cutting off lending to consumers."  This policy occurred during the Bush Admin, merely accelerated during the Obama Admin.

 

 

 

As I said earlier, he is the worst of Bush on steroids.

 

The intense dislike for Obama perplexes me.  Karl Marx, e.g., was horrified over working conditions in England.  He had contempt for the privileged.  He would of course change politics in the world forever.  Stalinism, Marxism, Socialism, Leninism, Maoism, etc. are generally all grouped together as the same but they are not.

 

I was working out and watching CNN teayellers (or town yellers or whatever) talk about how she fears the United States is becoming "socialist like Russia."  WHERE WERE THESE YELLERS before the decision to go to war with Iraq?  Where were they when their own sons, daughters, and neighbors were cast-off to fight? Where were they when we nationalized banks, the car industry, and credit default insurance?  Why were they not yelling them?  But, when we want to FIX THEIR HEALTH CARE, mon dieu! they emerge!

 

Why this sudden, intense fear of "socialism"?  This seems to ME to be perplexing. 

I'm not the least bit afraid of socialism, I just feel it is, in the long run, incompatible with free societies. I also feel the major premise of it is evil. It's major premise is that it is right and proper to force some people to pay the way for others. I feel that is wrong. No fear, just disagreement.

I don't DISLIKE Obama either. I feel he is a terrible president.

Now, on to war. Whether yo agree or disagree with a war is one thing, however, it is the reason governments are formed -- to engegae in self defense on behalf of the people. Governments are not formed to rob from the rch and give to the poor, or any other form of socialist engineering.

Of course, I know, you disagree, but the founders of THIS nation agree with me.

These people WERE against the nationalizing of the banks, the bailouts of the car companies, and the crecit card companies. They are against cap and tax as well. Health care is merely the last straw, at least I hope so.

I know you would like to lull them back to sleep with fallacies. I am thankful they are waking up and have stopped hitting the snooze button.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by declaredemer

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by declaredemer

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by declaredemer

Two Clintons, two Bushes, and one Obama . . . . and we still face the same problems. 

  Obama is the worst of the lot you mentioned -- BY FAR.

 

All that Obama has done is try to fix many of the errors of the Bush Admin and ensure the United States emerges from the Great Recession we are facing.  Banks said, "take our toxic debts or we will crush the economy by cutting off lending to consumers."  This policy occurred during the Bush Admin, merely accelerated during the Obama Admin.

 

 

 

As I said earlier, he is the worst of Bush on steroids.

 

The intense dislike for Obama perplexes me.  Karl Marx, e.g., was horrified over working conditions in England.  He had contempt for the privileged.  He would of course change politics in the world forever.  Stalinism, Marxism, Socialism, Leninism, Maoism, etc. are generally all grouped together as the same but they are not.

 

I was working out and watching CNN teayellers (or town yellers or whatever) talk about how she fears the United States is becoming "socialist like Russia."  WHERE WERE THESE YELLERS before the decision to go to war with Iraq?  Where were they when their own sons, daughters, and neighbors were cast-off to fight? Where were they when we nationalized banks, the car industry, and credit default insurance?  Why were they not yelling them?  But, when we want to FIX THEIR HEALTH CARE, mon dieu! they emerge!

 

Why this sudden, intense fear of "socialism"?  This seems to ME to be perplexing. 

 

I'm not the least bit afraid of socialism, I just feel it is, in the long run, incompatible with free societies. I also feel the major premise of it is evil. It's major premise is that it is right and proper to force some people to pay the way for others. I feel that is wrong. No fear, just disagreement.

I don't DISLIKE Obama either. I feel he is a terrible president.

Now, on to war. Whether yo agree or disagree with a war is one thing, however, it is the reason governments are formed -- to engegae in self defense on behalf of the people. Governments are not formed to rob from the rch and give to the poor, or any other form of socialist engineering.

Of course, I know, you disagree, but the founders of THIS nation agree with me.

These people WERE against the nationalizing of the banks, the bailouts of the car companies, and the crecit card companies. They are against cap and tax as well. Health care is merely the last straw, at least I hope so.

I know you would like to lull them back to sleep with fallacies. I am thankful they are waking up and have stopped hitting the snooze button.

I would add that we have been "yelling" about these issues for awhile. When the media ignors and plays down everything it is hard to be heard. It has finally got to a point that can't be ignored.

Originally posted by declaredemer

The intense dislike for Obama perplexes me.  Karl Marx, e.g., was horrified over working conditions in England.  He had contempt for the privileged.  He would of course change politics in the world forever.  Stalinism, Marxism, Socialism, Leninism, Maoism, etc. are generally all grouped together as the same but they are not.

 

I was working out and watching CNN teayellers (or town yellers or whatever) talk about how she fears the United States is becoming "socialist like Russia."  WHERE WERE THESE YELLERS before the decision to go to war with Iraq?  Where were they when their own sons, daughters, and neighbors were cast-off to fight? Where were they when we nationalized banks, the car industry, and credit default insurance?  Why were they not yelling them?  But, when we want to FIX THEIR HEALTH CARE, mon dieu! they emerge!

 

Why this sudden, intense fear of "socialism"?  This seems to ME to be perplexing. 

It's just politics. Republicans rule fear and smear. In the case of health care, they also have endless financial backing.