Originally posted by BesCirga

Originally posted by Dicharek

Originally posted by GauteIsBack

Originally posted by phil18

The combo system itself is one part of the system, you must attack based on the players/npcs directional shields. If you hit on a unshielded side you will inflict maxium damage, if you attack on a side with all shields you will do around 20% of your possible damage. This for me made combat alot more interactive and enjoyable.

 

While that sounds really good, in reality it's nothing special.

 

Can you give an example on any mmo that has a 'special' combat system? I don't disagree, it becomes to easy really fast. Still, imagine AoC without it.

 

I can. This is probably one way I would balance Casters vs Combo users, to remove 1 or 2 shields from casters. Bear in mind, I havent played AoC enough yet, but this tweek seems logical to me...

 

But then the system would still there. What I meant was picture the PvE-combat without the shields and positional attacks, it would become incredibly boring.

Originally posted by Dicharek

Originally posted by BesCirga

Originally posted by Dicharek

 Can you give an example on any mmo that has a 'special' combat system? I don't disagree, it becomes to easy really fast. Still, imagine AoC without it.

 I can. This is probably one way I would balance Casters vs Combo users, to remove 1 or 2 shields from casters. Bear in mind, I havent played AoC enough yet, but this tweek seems logical to me...

 

 But then the system would still there. What I meant was picture the PvE-combat without the shields and positional attacks, it would become incredibly boring.

Sorry, I worded myself badly. I meant, I can imagine AoC's combat system without the directional shields. Yes, the complexity of the combat would take a blow, but if by removing the shields would mean a better balance between casters vs combo users, it would be a small sacrifice in my opinion.

Funcom will have to come up with a genious tweek to balance classes, as it is now.

• Spells damage ignore directional shields and armour.
• Combo attack damage are affected by directional shields and armour.
• All classes have access to the same directional shields.
• Spells ignore the combo system.

Trying to find balance by following these "core rules" is virutally impossible. I dont envy the task the developers in funcom have in front of them. Specially, when every tweek comes with an endless whine.

Note; Im very new to the game, so if any of the points I made about the combat system if false, correct and Ill edit them out

 The combat system I personally very much enjoy, and going back to play a game such as WOW or Aion...feels very boring (to me). This is one of the reasons I avoid the caster classes within the game because it just so boring in comparision, in an ideal world they would introduce a spell combo system, and magical shielding...maybe this is in the pipeline who knows.

Yeah I love the company that makes AoC.

I really loved the website hunt--that rocked hard. Man ..I wish i found all of those yummy badges, while increasing web traffic for whatever backroom deal FC had with those sites. Man that was a great Anniversary! Funcom is so great the way they prostitute out their subs base to get even more revenue off their customer's backs They did this year after they had soaked their customer base with all kinds of BS, and then celebrate their 1 year anniversary in this manner....they truly are a remarkable company.

Hey guys lets keep encouraging this behavior so that other game makers see that everybody is "fine" with that kind exploitation.

Lets help destroy this whole genre for everyone. I mean who cares????  right????

Way to go FC!!

Originally posted by Blackwell99

Yeah I love the company that makes AoC.

 

I really loved the website hunt--that rocked hard. Man ..I wish i found all of those yummy badges, while increasing web traffic for whatever backroom deal FC had with those sites. Man that was a great Anniversary! Funcom is so great the way they prostitute out their subs base to get even more revenue off their customer's backs They did this year after they had soaked their customer base with all kinds of BS, and then celebrate their 1 year anniversary in this manner....they truly are a remarkable company.

Hey guys lets keep encouraging this behavior so that other game makers see that everybody is "fine" with that kind exploitation.

Lets help destroy this whole genre for everyone. I mean who cares????  right????

Way to go FC!!

 

If you have problems staying on topic, and can't resist to muddy yet another thread with snappy sarcasm, try to at least make it look like you made an effort.

Btw, "Lets help destroy this whole genre for everyone. I mean who cares???? right????" ... Drama Queen, anyone?

I too must say how awesome this game is.  I am tired of all the trolls giving this game such a rough way to go. I am by no means a novice gamer and currently sub to 3 mmo's. AOC has by far the best graphics ,gameplay and pvp of any of them.  Ill be staying with this one for quite a while.

Well, as you can see on the official forums, the few remaining zealots spend more time writing suggestions and giving hope to the "people" instead of actually playing the game. That tells me a lot.

Age of Conan is a game with tons of potential!!

Only turn off is the community, and it was enough to make me leave too.

  Thread was going well, not too many trolls...as usal they always show up at some point.

Originally posted by Krewel

Well, as you can see on the official forums, the few remaining zealots spend more time writing suggestions and giving hope to the "people" instead of actually playing the game. That tells me a lot.

Just like you spend time here bashing AoC rather then playing the world's most awesome game aka WoW :)

That tells me a lot too you know :)

Originally posted by Crashloop

Originally posted by Krewel

Well, as you can see on the official forums, the few remaining zealots spend more time writing suggestions and giving hope to the "people" instead of actually playing the game. That tells me a lot.

 

Just like you spend time here bashing AoC rather then playing the world's most awesome game aka WoW :)

That tells me a lot too you know :)

WoW is not a game its a virtual torture rack, its piss poor beyond any recognision. Its fulled with immature brats and ppl with little to non english skills. It has a non-existant PvP system, its story is worse then the one of pac man and its cartoonish looks frightens even the most angelic fanboi, admit it!

It does one thing good and that is its movement system, the way you can move almost like in a FPS game but frankly thats it. Its like a bad overhaul of Everquest 1 mixed in with all the crap you can find.

Id rather drive needles through my eyes then ever have to play the piece of shit of a game again

*Not that I want to play AoC either, just saying...*

Originally posted by PapaB34R

Originally posted by Crashloop

Originally posted by Krewel

Well, as you can see on the official forums, the few remaining zealots spend more time writing suggestions and giving hope to the "people" instead of actually playing the game. That tells me a lot.

 

Just like you spend time here bashing AoC rather then playing the world's most awesome game aka WoW :)

That tells me a lot too you know :)

 

WoW is not a game its a virtual torture rack, its piss poor beyond any recognision. Its fulled with immature brats and ppl with little to non english skills. It has a non-existant PvP system, its story is worse then the one of pac man and its cartoonish looks frightens even the most angelic fanboi, admit it!

It does one thing good and that is its movement system, the way you can move almost like in a FPS game but frankly thats it. Its like a bad overhaul of Everquest 1 mixed in with all the crap you can find.

Id rather drive needles through my eyes then ever have to play the piece of shit of a game again

*Not that I want to play AoC either, just saying...*

Watch out so you don't upset Krewel now, this post might just hurt his WoW feelings. ;)

But yeah I do agree, putting needles through my eyes sounds like a better thing then playing WoW again.

Originally posted by Crashloop

Originally posted by PapaB34R

Originally posted by Crashloop

Originally posted by Krewel

Well, as you can see on the official forums, the few remaining zealots spend more time writing suggestions and giving hope to the "people" instead of actually playing the game. That tells me a lot.

 

Just like you spend time here bashing AoC rather then playing the world's most awesome game aka WoW :)

That tells me a lot too you know :)

 

WoW is not a game its a virtual torture rack, its piss poor beyond any recognision. Its fulled with immature brats and ppl with little to non english skills. It has a non-existant PvP system, its story is worse then the one of pac man and its cartoonish looks frightens even the most angelic fanboi, admit it!

It does one thing good and that is its movement system, the way you can move almost like in a FPS game but frankly thats it. Its like a bad overhaul of Everquest 1 mixed in with all the crap you can find.

Id rather drive needles through my eyes then ever have to play the piece of shit of a game again

*Not that I want to play AoC either, just saying...*

Watch out so you don't upset Krewel now, this post might just hurt his WoW feelings. ;)

But yeah I do agree, putting needles through my eyes sounds like a better thing then playing WoW again.

I agree wow is becomming very tiresome and needles in the eyes is appropriate. But id prefer needles in the eyes than sawing off my manhood with a blunt plastic spoon akin to returning to AoC. At least when i returned to wow there was people to return too.
 

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Originally posted by Lobbyboy69

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Originally posted by Crashloop

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Originally posted by PapaB34R

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Originally posted by Crashloop

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Originally posted by Krewel

Well, as you can see on the official forums, the few remaining zealots spend more time writing suggestions and giving hope to the "people" instead of actually playing the game. That tells me a lot.

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Just like you spend time here bashing AoC rather then playing the world's most awesome game aka WoW :)
That tells me a lot too you know :)

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WoW is not a game its a virtual torture rack, its piss poor beyond any recognision. Its fulled with immature brats and ppl with little to non english skills. It has a non-existant PvP system, its story is worse then the one of pac man and its cartoonish looks frightens even the most angelic fanboi, admit it!
It does one thing good and that is its movement system, the way you can move almost like in a FPS game but frankly thats it. Its like a bad overhaul of Everquest 1 mixed in with all the crap you can find.
Id rather drive needles through my eyes then ever have to play the piece of shit of a game again
*Not that I want to play AoC either, just saying...*

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Watch out so you don't upset Krewel now, this post might just hurt his WoW feelings. ;)
But yeah I do agree, putting needles through my eyes sounds like a better thing then playing WoW again.

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I agree wow is becomming very tiresome and needles in the eyes is appropriate. But id prefer needles in the eyes than sawing off my manhood with a blunt plastic spoon akin to returning to AoC. At least when i returned to wow there was people to return too.
 

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Bashing a game you don't play.

LOL ... what a tool.

Originally posted by PapaB34R

Originally posted by Crashloop

Originally posted by Krewel

Well, as you can see on the official forums, the few remaining zealots spend more time writing suggestions and giving hope to the "people" instead of actually playing the game. That tells me a lot.

 

Just like you spend time here bashing AoC rather then playing the world's most awesome game aka WoW :)

That tells me a lot too you know :)

 

WoW is not a game its a virtual torture rack, its piss poor beyond any recognision. Its fulled with immature brats and ppl with little to non english skills. It has a non-existant PvP system, its story is worse then the one of pac man and its cartoonish looks frightens even the most angelic fanboi, admit it!

It does one thing good and that is its movement system, the way you can move almost like in a FPS game but frankly thats it. Its like a bad overhaul of Everquest 1 mixed in with all the crap you can find.

Id rather drive needles through my eyes then ever have to play the piece of shit of a game again

*Not that I want to play AoC either, just saying...*

The amount of fail in your response exceeds anyone's wildest expectations. What you have listed here is so abstract it can in fact fit to any online game in existence.

Immature community? No shit, you should go to Fury server in AoC, where 30 year-olds talk about virtual sex. In WoW you have 15-year olds who are immature. So why would such a "substantial" difference mean anything?

Story? Didn't know MMOs are primarily played because of stories, nice to find this out from a wise man like you. WoW is primarily based upon Warcraft III lore, so you might want to check that story out before claiming it is either non-existent or does not conform to your "quality standards".

Non-existent pvp? Don't know what qualifies as existence to you, but Arenas, BGs, Wintergrasp are played by millions every second (yes, I excluded ganking because that would be the crowning achievement of the "existent" pvp in AoC).

You can almost move like in a FPS? Taken too much drugs lately, buddy?

Everquest 1 overhaul? Well, if you are so abstract and if such a comparison is the basis of your unique critique, then why don't you start blaming Tolkien for overhauling ancient myths?

P.S. - Crashloop, for your information, I play WoW about 5 hrs per day (can you claim the same with your playing of AoC?) Liking an MMO does not mean you must play it 10 hrs per day, you know, so you can shut up with your useless comments. In fact, nice try for diverting attention. I was stating a simple fact that AoC players (what's left of them) are spending more time on the forum writing petitions and suggestions to some invisible hand and try to blatantly cover this by making me look like a fool. A poor attempt. And btw, I am a fast reader and writer, it does not take me whole day to skim through these forums and write responses. Sometimes I write them when I am using a taxi service in WoW.

In fact, when I was playing AoC, I also spent way more time on the forum than actually playing the game. I'm willing to bet you do the same, actually.

Oh, and btw, nice to know that the only defense for AoC the fanbois have in their arsenal is bashing WoW. Instead of talking about the state of AoC, people like openedge1 or Crashloop try to "convince" people that AoC is cool because it has either higher system specs required (openedge1 actually thinks that low system requirements are something to laugh at) or is simply better than poking your eyes with needles (nice argument btw). I'm sorry, you'll have to do better than that to overthrow the king od MMOs in your imaginary land.

Originally posted by Krewel

Originally posted by PapaB34R

Originally posted by Crashloop

Originally posted by Krewel

Well, as you can see on the official forums, the few remaining zealots spend more time writing suggestions and giving hope to the "people" instead of actually playing the game. That tells me a lot.

 

Just like you spend time here bashing AoC rather then playing the world's most awesome game aka WoW :)

That tells me a lot too you know :)

 

WoW is not a game its a virtual torture rack, its piss poor beyond any recognision. Its fulled with immature brats and ppl with little to non english skills. It has a non-existant PvP system, its story is worse then the one of pac man and its cartoonish looks frightens even the most angelic fanboi, admit it!

It does one thing good and that is its movement system, the way you can move almost like in a FPS game but frankly thats it. Its like a bad overhaul of Everquest 1 mixed in with all the crap you can find.

Id rather drive needles through my eyes then ever have to play the piece of shit of a game again

*Not that I want to play AoC either, just saying...*

 

The amount of fail in your response exceeds anyone's wildest expectations. What you have listed here is so abstract it can in fact fit to any online game in existence.

Immature community? No shit, you should go to Fury server in AoC, where 30 year-olds talk about virtual sex. In WoW you have 15-year olds who are immature. So why would such a "substantial" difference mean anything?

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Story? Didn't know MMOs are primarily played because of stories, nice to find this out from a wise man like you. WoW is primarily based upon Warcraft III lore, so you might want to check that story out before claiming it is either non-existent or does not conform to your "quality standards".

Seriously? Have you played warcraft 3, reign of chaos/frozen throne, it isnt based on any story whatsoever, they just liked to use the surroundings of it, its a pile of crap at best and and yes it has no storyline, none. As for Warcraft lore, yeah if it were revamped for an 11 year old maybe, I have the lore from warcraft 1 and 2, you should explore it. Because in contrast to the WoW carebear lore its bloody and rich, filled with rather gruesome details. The 3rd one was bad as of a warcraft game reffering to lore but it was nothing compared to WoW so dont you start there.

Non-existent pvp? Don't know what qualifies as existence to you, but Arenas, BGs, Wintergrasp are played by millions every second (yes, I excluded ganking because that would be the crowning achievement of the "existent" pvp in AoC).

hmm PvP in AoC, you mean like keep sieges and fighting for control over your city, fighting for something that actually matters? Or are you reffering to some titles or stats to show off? Because something is popular doesnt make it good, its like claiming McDonals have good food, PvP in WoW is crap at best and those who say otherwise have never played a PvP oriented game.

You can almost move like in a FPS? Taken too much drugs lately, buddy?

Unlike you I dont need to attend AA meetings

Everquest 1 overhaul? Well, if you are so abstract and if such a comparison is the basis of your unique critique, then why don't you start blaming Tolkien for overhauling ancient myths?

Unlike Blizzards World of Warcraft Tolkien was a genius which created a whole new genre of fantasy titles, Tolkien is Everquest, WoW is Harry Potter

P.S. - Crashloop, for your information, I play WoW about 5 hrs per day (can you claim the same with your playing of AoC?) Liking an MMO does not mean you must play it 10 hrs per day, you know, so you can shut up with your useless comments. In fact, nice try for diverting attention. I was stating a simple fact that AoC players (what's left of them) are spending more time on the forum writing petitions and suggestions to some invisible hand and try to blatantly cover this by making me look like a fool. A poor attempt. And btw, I am a fast reader and writer, it does not take me whole day to skim through these forums and write responses. Sometimes I write them when I am using a taxi service in WoW.

I dont play AoC, simple as that, congratulations for that meaningful remark

In fact, when I was playing AoC, I also spent way more time on the forum than actually playing the game. I'm willing to bet you do the same, actually.

read above

Oh, and btw, nice to know that the only defense for AoC the fanbois have in their arsenal is bashing WoW. Instead of talking about the state of AoC, people like openedge1 or Crashloop try to "convince" people that AoC is cool because it has either higher system specs required (openedge1 actually thinks that low system requirements are something to laugh at) or is simply better than poking your eyes with needles (nice argument btw). I'm sorry, you'll have to do better than that to overthrow the king od MMOs in your imaginary land.

AoC has its issues Il agree to that, I dont like it nor plays it but after playing WoW to 60 in the past I would rather play AoC over and over a hundred times then have to play WoW over once. Its simply just boring, it has no city building, no guild pvp nor any real activities except from raiding. I dont care wether a game should be cool or lame but I do care about getting something else then just stats and gear, to me thats bland and pointless, I want to build cities and lay sieges to others, or perhaps simply engage in smaller player houses as seen in SWG, WoW hasnt got that, its focused on stats, gold and petty items.

Papabear - AoC isn't based on stats, gold and e-penis? You either didn't revisit the game after 1.5 or are simply fantasizing about an MMO that isn't AoC at all. There are very minor differences between the games, and mostly are superficial, and even the few differences remaining (like combat system) cannot turn AoC into a successful title. Dynamic combat system alone can't provide months of enjoyment. If you cannot grasp that, then you know nothing of MMOs.

You've provided caustic remarks about WoW, very superficial accounts of you playing till 60 and claiming it's all about raiding, yet you didn't even reach the endgame. Talk about presumptious! How can you even claim anything about pvp or endgame when you only took a glimpse of WoW by levelling to 60? Unlike AoC, WoW actually starts at endgame. And both games are more or less single player experiences till you hit maximum level, so noone in this world can actually take you seriously for bashing WoW midgame.

And nota bene - superficial observations and cocky opinions don't turn manure into gold, or in this case, opinions into facts. Your dreamy bubble might not like this, but in the long run the majority of people have seen that WoW is a much more fun experience than AoC. Your comparison with McDonald's is false yet again, since in actuality AoC would fit the profile, namely you quickly consume it like a hamburger and in the end it only leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

AoC lost more than 80% of its people during the first months (from 800k to 100-200k). This fact alone tells me more about the state of the game (since I was also part of this exodus, albeit not entirely) than all the hopes and false promises fanboys come up with to defend the game. WoW is shite, you say? People playing it for 4 years and its subscription numbers rising ever since dictates otherwise.

I dont know why some people find the combat in AoC was dumbed down.I guess some didnt like the idea of clicking more keys to execute a combo.

I still like AoC, reason dont play it is because I would like Funcom to expand the map. The last content they added felt like the content they were suppose to include at launch. But it's ok, if they continue adding stuff, I am sure I will come back.

Although the world felt small because of instancing, I give AoC a 8.5/10. Music is really epic. You gotta play this game and explore all the areas to experience the good stuff. Tortage, the starter area, doesn't make justice to this game.

I really liked very much the combat with the chance of a juicy fatality. The combat animations are very well executed, plus character models are sexy!

By Set! Stygia is my favorite area, I hope Funcom adds another pyramid. I found that instance more enjoyable that some dungeons.

Edit: loved the stygians!

Stygia and everything related to Stygia is the best, Aquilonia and Cimmeria are depressing as hell. The game should be designed so that as a Stygian you can, if you choose, only move in Stygian zone, only level up in Stygian zones and feel more connected to Stygia as a whole (for example, quests would differ for you in Stygia as well as in Cimmeria). Instead we have like 3 puny instances connected to Stygia. Bleh!

Originally posted by Krewel

Stygia and everything related to Stygia is the best, Aquilonia and Cimmeria are depressing as hell. The game should be designed so that as a Stygian you can, if you choose, only move in Stygian zone, only level up in Stygian zones and feel more connected to Stygia as a whole (for example, quests would differ for you in Stygia as well as in Cimmeria). Instead we have like 3 puny instances connected to Stygia. Bleh!

You missed something if you only had 3 puny instances in stygia (im guessing your destanies)  As a stygian i did a majority of my leveling in stygia, for the same reasons you liked it.  Except for thunder river, i loved that map.

From what ive seen, you can do whatever you want on any of the maps to level up, your destiny quests are the only forced home maps quests (i think)

Originally posted by crunchyblack

Originally posted by Krewel

Stygia and everything related to Stygia is the best, Aquilonia and Cimmeria are depressing as hell. The game should be designed so that as a Stygian you can, if you choose, only move in Stygian zone, only level up in Stygian zones and feel more connected to Stygia as a whole (for example, quests would differ for you in Stygia as well as in Cimmeria). Instead we have like 3 puny instances connected to Stygia. Bleh!

 

You missed something if you only had 3 puny instances in stygia (im guessing your destanies)  As a stygian i did a majority of my leveling in stygia, for the same reasons you liked it.  Except for thunder river, i loved that map.

From what ive seen, you can do whatever you want on any of the maps to level up, your destiny quests are the only forced home maps quests (i think)

 

Yes, that's the problem and that what I was saying. As a Stygian I should be able to level up entirely in Stygia, not move to some depressing Cimmeria and do FedEx quests for some barbarians just to get to the highest level.

Well by the best estimates from box sales and xfire 1 in 20 people love age of conan enough to keep paying for it. Most people hate it and left, they came back to retry it for free then left again.

idk but wow, war, eq1, eq2, and many ftp mmos are just better aside from graphics, about 17 other MMOs have enough going on to attract more people...AoC is the oppisite it had a lot of people then reppeled the heck out of them.

Originally posted by finaticd

Well by the best estimates from box sales and xfire 1 in 20 people love age of conan enough to keep paying for it. Most people hate it and left, they came back to retry it for free then left again.

idk but wow, war, eq1, eq2, and many ftp mmos are just better aside from graphics, about 17 other MMOs have enough going on to attract more people...AoC is the oppisite it had a lot of people then reppeled the heck out of them.

Is this your forum signature? This is on topic how?

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Originally posted by finaticd

Well by the best estimates from box sales and xfire 1 in 20 people love age of conan enough to keep paying for it. Most people hate it and left, they came back to retry it for free then left again.

idk but wow, war, eq1, eq2, and many ftp mmos are just better aside from graphics, about 17 other MMOs have enough going on to attract more people...AoC is the oppisite it had a lot of people then reppeled the heck out of them.

 

Is this your forum signature? This is on topic how?

I think he is trying to disprove the "I love Age of Conan" statement  .. I though it was an funny attempt.

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Originally posted by finaticd

Well by the best estimates from box sales and xfire 1 in 20 people love age of conan enough to keep paying for it. Most people hate it and left, they came back to retry it for free then left again.

idk but wow, war, eq1, eq2, and many ftp mmos are just better aside from graphics, about 17 other MMOs have enough going on to attract more people...AoC is the oppisite it had a lot of people then reppeled the heck out of them.

 

Is this your forum signature? This is on topic how?

I do like the 1 in 20 quote. 1 out of 20...where?

According to Xfire they have 13 million+ subscribers...so if 1 in 20 love it...that is a population of 690k+.

When you pull numbers out of the sunless hole, this is what happens..

Bad math is bad.