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Note to the only Cryptic can kill Cryptic... They made the design decisions to begin with, then they didn't change them while at the helm. Now that its the core CoX team at Paragon... they are changing and the impossible is happening. Why people think Cryptic has somehow come 180 is a little off. Developers tend to have one idea and just rehash it. This time its an IP though so some things have to go the IP way but otherwise a lot of CO is CoX rehash since its the only way they know how. |
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The only players that speak highly of Champions compared to CoH are players that havent played the beta yet (for the most part). CoH has way more features and is getting a graphics overhaul not to mention power customization.
you can't argue that CoH has been out longer so Champions will lack content. Its BS because Champions isn't competing with games that were made 5 years ago, they are competing with games NOW. So its kind of sad that they lack a lot of costume options and designs that CoH has. Not to mention its outdated quest system. Along with the fact that it starts the same everytime. It just gets boring.
I can definatly say I'm sticking with CoH especially now that its getting a graphics update/overhaul. But I've still preordered Champions, even though after playing the beta for while and being very disappointed. It has potential, but the two games are very different.
The only hing I agree with about this article is the mission AE. The problems and solutions for it are debatable, but its clear that something needs to be done about it. |
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Originally posted by dalestaines1 You might want to check the main site. They've posted information on Lifetime Subscriptions and all the perks you get for buying one when the game hasn't even been released yet: several costumes, guaranteed access to Star Trek beta (who'd want it?), an in-game action figure, and eight additional character slots (which, honestly, is about the only one I could find myself wanting). |
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First to correct a point made by a previous poster. DCUO is built around iconic heroes and villains in the computer characters only. Full customization is going to be allowed in the player characters, though I am not sure how MUO(Marvel Universe Online) will work yet. I know the computer characters will work the same as DC Universe Online, but I am not entirely sure how they will build the player character engine yet. In any case, due to the connection to these two comic book companies, these games will come with a built in subscriber base, something that Champions Online will have to earn. Though my characters aren't maxed out, I have worked far too hard to level my characters and CoH/CoV is my second favorite MMO right now(not including Lord of the Rings Online yet because I have not been able to run my copy yet), with Aion being my favorite and with Dungeons and Dragons Online being third, though this is always open to changes if something better comes my way. I think alot of players out there have one or two main games then play others when they need a break, like I do. |
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We will see. I read CO will not be solo freindly but who knows. coh/v is very solo freindly. Its new and shiney yea and thats what led me away from coh/v before but I came back eventually and realized what a great game it still is. Coh/v will really be pulling out all the stops so it will be intersting. This post is intentionally written not to make any sense what so ever. Thank You Very Much. |
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I think it could be an endurance thing. CO and CoX will be splitting the base then when DC Universe comes out well.. I think the MMO market will be too big for three Comicbook/superhero MMOs... so at least one of them will go down. I have no clue which one though though I'm guessing CO wont last especially it's microtransaction and stuff which turns off a lot of players... Then again, that might be what keeps it alive. Just too hard to say at this point. Playing: Aion |
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0over0
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Joined: 3/08/04
If ignorance were bliss, the world would be a *much* happier place. |
CoX won't survive not because CO is such an awesome game, but because NCSoft will kill it once it's clear their subs are dropping and won't come back--or maybe earlier. They've dropped the hammer pretty quickly before. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ************* |
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Yes AE-Framing in COX is BS. I can allways find enough players for story missions, a lot of people are tired of AE Farming. You don't have to use the AE System if you don't like it. I will buy CO but i will also stay with COX. |
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Originally posted by purewitz
SWG would have pre CU/NGE But then again if they hadn't done that we wouldn't be getting the SWTOR, would we most like. As for COX I have to say it's days don't look too good I tried it a few times and after the first day wow factor of hey its not killing orcs and spending hours trying to get your superhero to look just right, it just became very boring very quickly. But hey i guess it was just not for me.
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VuDu_DawL
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Joined: 12/11/07
"You don''t give to get. You give to give. Anything else isn''t giving. It is barter." - D. |
Originally posted by HeliosXII
I agree. If I had to name one reason I would not try CO even if I left CoH, that'd be it. As for the mess that Mission Architect has turned into - I was really pumped on MA. Being a writer, it seemed like the perfect system. But there are just too many flaws. And they add more every time they nerf it. For what? Really, who CARES if people are exploiting it to power-level? I firmly believe power-leveling is not the demon they would have us to believe it is. The main whimper I have heard to justify the nerf-shotgun approach to anything that even remotely smacks of a tool to power-level is that the PL'ers get to 50 and whine about lack of end game content. Hello? Did MA not just give a chance for nearly UNLIMITED end game content? Don't like the game's canned content? Write your own! I still do not understand the need to constantly jack anything that someone might "exploit"... I mean... big deal. If they are so worried about it then make MA missions not give XP or give reduced XP. Or limit the XP per mission to one instance of one mission per day. If you run a mission again, then you get nothing. There are so many more ways to handle problems than beating it over the head with a giant nerf ax and punishing the creative and talented along with the exploiters. I also agree with you on their reaction to how the system was exploited. It is a bit hard to feel sympathy for them when they knew what was coming in advance, then have the nerve to act all indignant about it. That being said, I still enjoy the game. I own four accounts, have two active at the moment, and plan on sticking around. It is fun to create characters and develop them as they progress through the game. I could care less who power-levels their charcters or exploits the system. It does not affect my ability to have fun in the least. As for coloring the powers? Not so much a thrill for me (except my stone tank is going to get rid of those sissy pink glowing fists....). I would be more interested in being able to actually adapt the powerSETS somewhat. That is one thing I think Champions got right - not limiting the powers to a certain set, written in stone, forever and ever, amen. It would be interesting to pick and choose different powers according to a characters story. Of course, I see lots of number crunching and FoTM builds on the horizon there. Good luck, Cryptic. |
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I left CoX after 4 years. The game just got REALLY old. The addition of the AE was what killed CoX for me. I thought it was going to be a great feature, then, it wasn't. Its almost impossible to find a non=farming team anymore. CoH has really gone downhill. I think the Going Rogue addition is a desperate cry for help. I would like to see more end-game content, not re-hashed material, like I'm seeing. Of course, this is just my opinion. |
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i gave CoX a shake a while ago, the char creation was great but then you got into game and found that your super powers just werent super at all, even level normal human cops with 9 mm pistols could kill you if you werent carefull fighting more then 1 at a time, yeesh. and cars took forever to blow up with any of the powers in bank job missions. i dont think champions will kill cox, it looks like cox with a new skin and a cash shop. dc universe might cause some rumbles though, actual super powerfull super heroes, what a concept! (and before you complain about how unbalanced super powerfull super heroes are they always have a weak spot) |
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Originally posted by neorandom You don't think DC Universe will have a cash shop? And CO is quite different from CoX as other posters have stated. You may want to read up on it before dismissing it.
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Originally posted by junzo316
sorry but this is not true. at least on " virtue" you can find everyday more poeple with tags like "no AE", "no framing" etc .... i can allways find non farming team's within minutes. |
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The AE is a huge problem on the european servers we have always had a smaller population than the US ones and this AE system has killed teams you now have two choices AE-Farm or Solo which is not why i play an MMO after 18 months of playing coh i have pre-ordered CO and will be moving on. Im not alone on this and that is where things will become interesting Ncsoft will do nothing to try and boost subscriptions or improve the game they will run it how they have always done until they decide its not making enough money and shut it down, this is how they seem to run their games. |
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Originally posted by downtoearth
if i remeber right CO was supposed to marvel i could be wrong
I think so too. Cryptic and Microsoft were making it for Marvel. Then all of the sudden, Cryptic had there own game coming out. I always found that odd, how that played out. I personally think Cryptic scammed Marvel out of a game, but I could be wrong and readiing too much into it. When we get back from where we are going, we will return to where we were. I know people there! |
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Originally posted by purewitz
I think so too. Cryptic and Microsoft were making it for Marvel. Then all of the sudden, Cryptic had there own game coming out. I always found that odd, how that played out. I personally think Cryptic scammed Marvel out of a game, but I could be wrong and readiing too much into it.
Marvel shut that project down, Cryptic sold of COH to ncsoft so they could devolope and publish Champions online on their own guess they got tired of larger companies screwing them over. |
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Work has restarted for the Marvel MMO by a different developer, my guess is that it'll take a considerable amount of time before we see any results. |
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CoX has nothing to worry about. CO is not bringing anything new or innovative in terms of gameplay or visuals. Unless you consider Microtransactions and "lifetime" subscriptions the pinnacle of innovation. Get in the beta and see for yourself. I can't tell you much since the NDA is still in effect. |
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Originally posted by TwwIX
In beta also. It does bring some things that are new and it has what you would expect from an mmo the point is it offers what coh does plus abit more and with a company that is has proven to bring good regular updates to game. People keep moaning about these Microtransactions.... they are simply extra character slots/costume packs etc which CoX has aswell. The CoX devolopers have forgotten their community, adding some face skins or adding a colour option to powers are not what should be considered an Issue update. AE Should be fixed or removed. At the moment they are just adding feactures you would of expected to be in the game a long time ago. |
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Originally posted by Kelador
In beta also. It does bring some things that are new and it has what you would expect from an mmo the point is it offers what coh does plus abit more and with a company that is has proven to bring good regular updates to game. People keep moaning about these Microtransactions.... they are simply extra character slots/costume packs etc which CoX has aswell. The CoX devolopers have forgotten their community, adding some face skins or adding a colour option to powers are not what should be considered an Issue update. AE Should be fixed or removed. At the moment they are just adding feactures you would of expected to be in the game a long time ago.
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i still like city of heroes and play it when i can get a cheap time card on ebay . i dont think its worth the current monthly subscription fee though . its looking quite old now . did i hear there may be a graphics engine update soon ? i cant comment on champions online i ve not played it but if it offers decent pvp it ll have one up on city of heroes in my book . anyway we ll just have to wait and see i guess . |
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Originally posted by TwwIX
And when you do I'll be sure to tear apart your "points". CO is fine. |
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Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero
And when you do I'll be sure to tear apart your "points". CO is fine. Fine, as in disappointingly mediocre? Yes, it is Mr. Internet Tough Guy. You make a good point.
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Originally posted by TwwIX
And when you do I'll be sure to tear apart your "points". CO is fine. Fine, as in disappointingly mediocre? Yes, it is Mr. Internet Tough Guy. You make a good point.
Lol no one can win this fight due to the NDA so lets table it until its lifted and then we can all agree to disagree lol |
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