Someone mentioned much earlier in the thread that as of 1.5 it is 5.6 hrs not 19 hrs. Is that false or an inconvenient fact?

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by cybertrucker

just put this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtuYLQj6VOs on repeat and you will notice no grind whatsoever!

 

Keep your hippie music at woodstock.

Ya really. If I had to grind out that lvl I would be listening to angry music...Heavy Metal.

Then my computer would explode from the inherant dichotomy of listening to metal while playing a game of cutesy kiwi crap.

Originally posted by Cyborg99

What happened to the good ol' days of instant gratification? Nowadays everything is a song and dance. But then again this game is a generic korean grindfest so the long leveling does fit.

I'll be staying away from this one, to much commitment and not enough payoff.

The old days of instant gratification?  What?

Maybe in another genre, but the only "old days" in the MMO genre were full of hard grinding and slow progression.  Before WoW there was no such thing as instant gratification in an MMO game.

Starting at the beginning of the genre,

The MUDs that I played took forever to level, most people never reached the level caps.

UO was a very hard grind in the beginning.  I played for 2 or 3 years (can't remember exactly now) before I made it to 7x GM and that's only because they made it easier to obtain.

Lineage 1 was worse than UO due to the incredibly harsh death penalty.

Asheron's Call takes/took 5+ years for most to reach the higher levels without bots (read: not max).

DAOC was probably the easiest classic MMO to level in. I believe when the game was first released it took about 4-6 months of grinding to reach the max level if you spent every minute in-game in an AoE group.  (Yea, you had to group to level, crazy huh?)

So I don't have any idea what instant gratification you are talking about in the "old days".  Unless what you meant by old days, was WoW.  Then I could see your point.

Some of us players miss the actual old days though.  That's one of the reasons I'm so excited about Aion.

Edit:  Whoops, left out EQ.  6-12 months to reach the end game content (depending on how much you died).  Non-stop group grinding.

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Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

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Originally posted by alkennjoi

wow OP, grow up and stop teh QQ

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  This about sums up Aion's community. Anybody else see the irony?
 
 

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Originally posted by markoraos

What sodding "instant gratification" are you talking about you anally fixated masochistic moron?

Go bang your head against a wall or something so you can feel "superior" or "uber" you managed to "endure it". WTF?

Oh well, I'm going for a month on the beach with the babes and the booze so I might as well enjoy my ban. That was some gratifying insta-gratification. :)

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It kind of makes everything you WAR fans say in this thread non-valid and look like trolling.

Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

Originally posted by Cyborg99

Originally posted by cybertrucker

just put this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtuYLQj6VOs on repeat and you will notice no grind whatsoever!

 

Keep your hippie music at woodstock.

 

Ya really. If I had to grind out that lvl I would be listening to angry music...Heavy Metal.

 

Then my computer would explode from the inherant dichotomy of listening to metal while playing a game of cutesy kiwi crap.

 

Dam you caught my ninja edit. I kept listening and decided I like it lol.

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Originally posted by Tenken29

 
I dunno if this is aimed at me since I claimed it would be nice if you could PVP earlier. Clearly I have never said AION sucks or anything among those lines or have claimed that I will not play it.
Also if you want to talk about WAR at least know what you're talking about. Bastion Stairs wasn't a really big deal, it was super easy. You don't even need to do Bastion Stairs or anything of that nature as there is equivalent gear from PVP. WAR failed due to poorly implemented end game pvp and among many other reasons. Population problems occured when people realized you can just farm keeps for points.

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I never quoted you or mentioned you at all, so I'm not sure why you'd think this was you. Usually in those cases the phrase "if the shoe fits, wear it" applies. Since you weren't mentioned, if this isn't your thinking then please disregard.

Pvp at level 1 is a nice feature, but that's all it is: a feature. For most people it's not a gamebreaker. It's pretty trivial since you don't get any skills to PvP with at level 1. I mean what's the use of "Firebolt 1! Firebolt 1 Firebolt 1"? If you like that kind of play, okay but I think that's boring as hell.

Umm.. no one said Bastion Stair was hard. ??? The point is why did people cry and moan to Mythic over/over/over/over in threads about having to run those types of PvE dungeons 20, 30, 40x because their gear didn't drop and they had no recourse because they were on a DEAD server with not enough PvP to get it from? If you were lucky enough to land on Dark Crag or Iron Rock, good for you. But most people didn't, had hardly anyone to fight and when they found them the game didn't reward you for it. Keep swapping was better.

Most people who played WAR are so burned out on PvE its not funny, so then Mythic gives them a new expansion zone "Land of the Dead" (titled appropriately) which was mostly.. PvE. And you are here trying to pretend WAR people aren't tired of PvE and that's why they want to PvP right away?

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by argos5

Originally posted by grndzro

Originally posted by Sigilaea

Originally posted by argos5

19 hours to go from 44 to 45... seems normal, I remember classic WoW being like that early on to some degree and EQ as well. But let's talk about the grand-daddy of all leveling times... how long does it take to gain a level in FFXI towards the end game? Since 44-45 is like 54-55 in WoW/EQ and FFXI is like what--- 70s ish towards level max?

 

Is FFXI a bigger grind than Lineage 2?

 

Without a doubt. Making a level in FFXI was a joyus event past 20 or so.

 

Yeah... Lineage 2, gaining a level is great--- but when you gain a level in FFXI, you'd take a long break and host a Rave to celebrate you gained a level. And no one would really complain about how long it takes to gain a level... why? Because the after-parties were flippin awesome!

 

Errr... Wow. I couldn't disagree more.

You can get from 74 to 75 in maybe 5 hours or so in a good party in FFXI (speaking from experience).

In Lineage 2, getting from 74 to 75 can take all day, if not longer. You're getting like .01% of a level for every 10 kills at the higher levels of L2.

Now.. at the lower levels... up to 60 or so... Lineage 2 has been considerably sped up recently. But from 60 and up it becomes a very different deal altogether, so I guess it depends on what part of the level range you're talking about.

 

5 hours is possible in a burn party, I played before thoes were around.

Originally posted by grndzro

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by argos5

Originally posted by grndzro

Originally posted by Sigilaea

Originally posted by argos5

19 hours to go from 44 to 45... seems normal, I remember classic WoW being like that early on to some degree and EQ as well. But let's talk about the grand-daddy of all leveling times... how long does it take to gain a level in FFXI towards the end game? Since 44-45 is like 54-55 in WoW/EQ and FFXI is like what--- 70s ish towards level max?

 

Is FFXI a bigger grind than Lineage 2?

 

Without a doubt. Making a level in FFXI was a joyus event past 20 or so.

 

Yeah... Lineage 2, gaining a level is great--- but when you gain a level in FFXI, you'd take a long break and host a Rave to celebrate you gained a level. And no one would really complain about how long it takes to gain a level... why? Because the after-parties were flippin awesome!

 

Errr... Wow. I couldn't disagree more.

You can get from 74 to 75 in maybe 5 hours or so in a good party in FFXI (speaking from experience).

In Lineage 2, getting from 74 to 75 can take all day, if not longer. You're getting like .01% of a level for every 10 kills at the higher levels of L2.

Now.. at the lower levels... up to 60 or so... Lineage 2 has been considerably sped up recently. But from 60 and up it becomes a very different deal altogether, so I guess it depends on what part of the level range you're talking about.

 

 

5 hours is possible in a burn party, I played before thoes were around.

Yeah, I didn't mention that... but it was a merit-style party. In a normal, "traditional" party it would take a bit longer... but still nowhere near what it would take in L2 for 74-75.

Relating to another post...
As for grinding music... yes, it's a must.

For me, SYL = my Grinding Music (admittedly one of their "tamer" songs, but the energy is still there).

 

Grind is an interesting term for MMO's...  Be it endlessly slaughtering crabs or endlessly running to all corners of the map for one quest or the other, you're still grinding. Quest grinding or mob grinding.. it ultimately makes no difference. Sometimes there are days where I want to just log in.. go to a zone.. and kill everything I see. Other days I do more quests, my point is who cares what *type* of grinding it is, the better question is are you progressing?

Are you making money? Are you getting XP? Are you fulfilling other featuers of the game (getting crafting materials etc) that you want to accomplish in addition to the grind? If the answer is yes, I fail to see the problem. Even when I'm in a mood to grind endlessly I make it a point to be fulfilling at least one other objective above and beyond the simple acquisition of XP.

Originally posted by popinjay

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Given the way that your ally markoraos and other WAR fans post/feel about AION and its posters and do nothing but come in here nitpick over "No Level 1 PvP!!!" and callously insult because they are going "to the beach".. yeah, I see the irony full well.

 

 

 

It kind of makes everything you WAR fans say in this thread non-valid and look like trolling.

  WAR fans? Are you serious? I paid for a 3 month subscription for WAR, but only stayed for barely 2 out of the 3 due to sheer boredom. WoW fan? Maybe. AoC fan? Even greater to a degree, since I got to max level in AoC (unlike WAR) and tried to do some sieges in a guild. I even liked EQ2 more than WAR and played RO longer than I did WAR, so your inference is really out of whack with reality. I even played AO longer than WAR and that game was barely more than auto-attack (although it wasn't too bad back in the day).

  I'm still leaning towards an Aion subscription even with the grind, since I'm so sick of WoW. Out of all of the MMO's I've ever played, WoW was my favorite and still is, so if you're going to call me a fanboi, then call me a WoW fanboi.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by Setsunakai

20 hours for the last level of the game isn't bad at all; seeing as the initial level cap was 45( its now 50)

but its pretty short even when compared to vanilla wow 50-60

 

 

  Are you serious? I've played WoW since relase and leveled countless toons to 60 and even a few to 80, yet I've never had to grind for 20 let alone 10 hours to get anywhere in WoW. There was always a sufficient amount of quests, so that you never had to grind; though there was a lot more walking back in those days.

 

 

Like everyones saying you cant compare game leveling times...they are different games and need to be played for fun. Its the same way I was with WOW, tried leveling the fastest because the top lvl is what you want to gain all your power and gear and pvp at the highest level. Looking back on WOW you see how horribly corrupt blizzard is and how they ruin handful of peoples lives....main reason I quit WOW after playing Lich King you ask? Oh right because you need to sit there like a second damn job gaining gear to be "good" perse. Its refreshing to wait for Aion to come out and begin a new adventure in a game I have never played yet. Anyone great reason is my Girl friends going to play Aion as well. Always a blast incorporating other parts of your life in activities all can enjoy together.

 As for the other posts: Yes, my utility function is different from yours. There is no correct way to enjoy a game, but for me grinding mobs without a lore purpose, or slow advancement is a real turn off: Even in WoW, I never stay too long at the end game, due to a lack of advancement and change in game play. I particularly liked AoC, because you could advance quickly despite the lack of quests; the lack of reliance on gear (which is now defunct, since they've gone the WoW route of trivializing players who don't get the good rewards) also kept me playing, since I could still keep up on PvP without having to grind PvE .

 The bottom line is: You're not me and I'm not you. I don't give a fuck if you like pulling your nails out, grinding a lot of mobs, or eating mayonnaise; I'm never going to like those things and that's final.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

 As for the other posts: Yes, my utility function is different from yours. There is no correct way to enjoy a game, but for me grinding mobs without a lore purpose, or slow advancement is a real turn off: Even in WoW, I never stay too long at the end game, due to a lack of advancement and change in game play. I particularly liked AoC, because you could advance quickly despite the lack of quests; the lack of reliance on gear (which is now defunct, since they've gone the WoW route of trivializing players who don't get the good rewards) also kept me playing, since I could still keep up on PvP without having to grind PvE .

 The bottom line is: You're not me and I'm not you. I don't give a fuck if you like pulling your nails out, grinding a lot of mobs, or eating mayonnaise; I'm never going to like those things and that's final.

 

 

 

 

yep - and thats fine.

On the converse, you must realize no one here really cares if you feel 15 hours for a level is a "grind".... and no one really wants to hear the whining about people who DONT like it either.

So, moral of the story.. if you don't like the grind - don't play it.

I played since betaphase 2 and I got really happy becaue the first levels vvas fairly decent  to play and i heard tons of people saying it vvould be a insane grind fest..

I got 3 chars up to level 20, some of them 21-23 novv, and i just CBA to do anymore, the grind is already so slovv and boering and like 3-4 levels betvveen getting nevv skills,  im totally not saying i vvant a ezmode game vvhere i can instading to the cap, but at least throvv in some carrots,  playing for tons of hours vvithout much revvard at all is just demoralizing, I vvas totally eager to start playing this at launch, but after beta, no vvay in hell! :P

Are you really comparing 19 hours per level, with an average of 5~6% per hour to a Lineage 2 grind? You should play RF Online, Ragnarok Online, L2 or *insert asian F2P game here* on 1x rates to see what's a real grind, way less than 1% per hour. What's next, if I don't make 50% per hour (or I can't purchase the level from an item mall) it is a grind fest?

For me this wouldn't be a turn off, however the fact is there are various "improvements" in leveling from 1.0 to 1.5 (for some this is not an improvement, just dumbing down the game for people who want easy quick stuff in a RPG), so your statistic is no longer accurate (actually, your base is just someone posting that made a calculation and you believe it, no real data behind it there).

Respecting your opinion, if grinding is really a turn off for you, I suggest you cancel your pre-order and wait until the game releases and real information regarding leveling on 1.5 is released. Obviously that will take away any kind of "competition" for being a "pioneer" in the server, if you enjoy this kind of feeling that only happens once per server.

Originally posted by Cammy

yep - and thats fine.

 

On the converse, you must realize no one here really cares if you feel 15 hours for a level is a "grind".... and no one really wants to hear the whining about people who DONT like it either.

 

So, moral of the story.. if you don't like the grind - don't play it.

  This a forum. Nobody has to listen to anything. If you don't like it, then don't click the fucking thread title. It's not very hard.

   I'll continue to "whine" about things I don't like and tough shit if you don't like it.

   Welcome to ignore.

That... doesn't seem that long?

Considering that Aion has 30 levels less than WoW has of course it will take longer per level (on average) than it would in WoW.

Also that is pretty much just all speculation on his part. I would wait and see how much it actually takes with patch 1.5

Still compared to Lineage II that is nothing. Lineage II higher up was like 19 hours for like 5%.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by Cammy

yep - and thats fine.

 

On the converse, you must realize no one here really cares if you feel 15 hours for a level is a "grind".... and no one really wants to hear the whining about people who DONT like it either.

 

So, moral of the story.. if you don't like the grind - don't play it.

 

  This a forum. Nobody has to listen to anything. If you don't like it, then don't click the fucking thread title. It's not very hard.

   I'll continue to "whine" about things I don't like and tough shit if you don't like it.

   Welcome to ignore.

 

 

hahaha Im so glad.. because you sir... are a joke.

Good riddence... 

Originally posted by Nadril

That... doesn't seem that long?

Considering that Aion has 30 levels less than WoW has of course it will take longer per level (on average) than it would in WoW.

Also that is pretty much just all speculation on his part. I would wait and see how much it actually takes with patch 1.5

Still compared to Lineage II that is nothing. Lineage II higher up was like 19 hours for like 5%.

  Yes, but it still is disconcerting. I remember reading a post on Aionsource that had a bar graph with the exp from quests next to the required exp to level and the bar for required was quite a few times the bar of exp obtained from quests.

  I also understand that quite a few quests will be added in 1.5, but even if they do add a lot of quests it is hard to imagine them making enough to fill such a gap when the exp requirement is so high to level.

  So, yeah I'll probably hold on until release. Lineage II was a combination of hyperbole and ignorance, but still drives the point home, since a lot of the most popular p2p games don't have those kinds of grinds.

Ok.  Are people really complaining about not getting instant gratification?  Heaven forbid someone work for an accomplishment.  If you work/have responsibilities, like alot of folks with MMOs, then you have to put in more time.  This self righteous entitlement of getting levels/things as fast as possible with little effort is just plan and simple pathetic. 

Also, just because WoW is high on the ladder for examples don't keep tossing it out there as the format for all games to follow.  It is but one.  Yes, leveling was horribly easy to accomplish in the WoW setting and it set a bad example for those coming in to MMOs to expect.  Look at it like this.  Not everyone makes a 6 figure salary in a company, but beings you are part of the company you should just have a high salary right?  No real work required to get there right?  No.  If you want a game that gives you everything go else where.  I for one, applaud AION if they indeed are giving the grind to get to the top level.  It will seperate the men from the boys so to speak.  Quests should only take someone so far not carry them the whole way.

Thumbs up AION, once again I'm liking you more.

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