Originally posted by tanoril

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by tanoril

 

WoW not just appeals to the Wii crowd it appeals to the hard core gamer.  You're also incorrect that you are forced to do 25 man raiding.  And don't start getting into the comparisons of what WoW offers vs. what WAR offers because you will lose that argument all the time.  All I need to know about Warhammer is this.  A good chunk of my server (I'm talking high end raiders) stopped playing WoW when WAR launched.  For two months it was the greatest thing ever.  Then after awhile Ulduar came out and alot of those playing WAR came back.  What's funny is alot of the good things in WAR (PQ's for example) were actually it's downfall, since some servers were such ghost towns that players gave up in disgust.  Not to mention the grind at higher levels.

It's funny you mention boredom because that was the chief complaint of why people left WAR in droves. 

 

 

Why are raiders leaving WoW ( a clearly dominant pve game compared to WAR)  for WAR?

Jesus do WoW players have a brain?

Again people left WAR due to stability issues and not really liking to pvp 24/7.

You dont create a mostly pvp game if you want jack of all trades sub numbers mythis was dumb for thinking they could reach the wow kids.

 

You  made a big mistale by even trying to defend WAR.

WAR is the equivalent of failure these days.

And a pity for Aion lovers perhaps, but I think WAR even has a negative impact on all newly published MMORPG's this year.

It will be 2010/11 before we will see something fresh and good (I hope Kotor, Diablo or much later the new mmorpg from Blizzard).

And blame Mythic for that btw.

WAR isn't a failure the expectations of mythic was the failure.

WAR as a pvp game is very good and if by failure you mean sub numbers according to mmo charts around 150k subs is the norm for near all mmos so WAR isnt that bad it just needs less servers since its so dependant on Group activities.

Its not a solo paradise like WoW.

 

 

No man, it failed as a 'PVP' game (the type of game it was created as).  When you got PvP'ers (not WoW carebears) disgusted with the game after a couple of months something is wrong.  There are those that played DAoC (and never played WoW) that thought the game was garbage after the 'newness' wore off (see my initial post about 'newness').  You're right, Mythic did have huge expectations, but they are also a business and with as much money as they spent developing the game they needed to retain a certain number of subs.  If your going to secure a huge license such as Warhammer you better try to make your game to cater to as many subs as possible.  They wanted a chunk of WoW's subscriber base (just like Aion does).  But they don't understand why that subscriber base stays with WoW. 

 

You think NCSoft does? 

the "pvpers" that got tired of WAR came from games like WoW or AoC these players bitch and moun and leave a game when thier classes get nerfed. WAR is just fine, could it be improved? yeah but is it better than WoWs pvp? yes!

Edit: I could understand the DAoC players hate fro WAR, DAoC is a fucking masterpiece compared to WAR. DAoC is another game that completly owns WoW in pvp.

I tried to like Aion, much like I tried to like Conan and a half dozen other games.

It's just... the game isn't compelling for ME in any quantity. It's very very pretty, one of the best looking games on the market, but over all... it just doesn't provide anything that WOW or Warhammer isn't already providing.

If I could get my rl friends to play eq2 I'd probably play that, but I'm not even enthusiastic about that game anymore and it was my favorite of that generation.

The mmo genre is stagnating much like the fps genre did about 5-6 years ago and until there is some innovation I don't think any of the games are really going to 'get peoples attention' en mass.

Shrug.

The OP sums up what  *many* former WoW subscribers feel took the fun out of WOW.  If you still like WoW no one is forcing you to play Aion, stick with it, but no reason to get all defenisve about WoW and slam Aion in the process.

The MMO market is big enough for both to do well and no need for the my game is better than your game.  I am just happy that a new game is going to release that is not a POS out of the box.  That alone I am excited for.

Originally posted by JGMIII

I don't know why it's so hard for people to understand that WoW isn't the perfect game for everyone.

Some people want more out of Pvp than WoW offers, some people want more freedom and larger game worlds to explore and some people want a more mature social game with a crafting base.

A game that focuses on pvp isnt shit because it has bad pve dungeons and a game focused on pve isnt shit because it doesnt have pvp.

These games that focus on certain mechanics give us options in the mmo genre.

Wow is a jack of all trades game, sure its good if you want to do a little bit of everything but what if you want more? 

What happens when you play Wow and don;t like every mechanic? lets say you hate questing (dailies) and raiding? you really get to see how average WoWs pvp is and same goes for every other feature in WoW.

This is the only genre that gives such critical acclaim to a game thats average across the board. In the Sp videogame genre if a GTA clone was developed that did everything average it would be rated a 6 out of 10 on gamerankings.com and people would forget about it.

But in the MMO genre WoW gets 9s across the board? Something is really screwed up.

So if the OP like Aion good for him.

 

 

 

The point of the article is that he's leaving WoW for Aion and then proceeds to list the things that Aion does better.  He qualifies himself by saying that he played WoW for 3 years.  Let me ask you this.  How many people do you know that played WoW for as much time as that and then jumped ship proclaming that 'this was it'?  Out of those people, how many returned to WoW?  You just said yourself that alot of people who left WAR were people who played WoW.  How will this be any different?

Originally posted by JGMIII

the "pvpers" that got tired of WAR came from games like WoW or AoC these players bitch and moun and leave a game when thier classes get nerfed. WAR is just fine, could it be improved? yeah but is it better than WoWs pvp? yes!

Edit: I could understand the DAoC players hate fro WAR, DAoC is a fucking masterpiece compared to WAR. DAoC is another game that completly owns WoW in pvp.

No, WAR is NOT "just fine". It is deeply flawed. I am still playing it, but mainly in the lower tiers with alts, and only because WoW doesn't have as good PvP.

Originally posted by Votan

The OP sums up what  *many* former WoW subscribers feel took the fun out of WOW.  If you still like WoW no one is forcing you to play Aion, stick with it, but no reason to get all defenisve about WoW and slam Aion in the process.

The MMO market is big enough for both to do well and no need for the my game is better than your game.  I am just happy that a new game is going to release that is not a POS out of the box.  That alone I am excited for.

 

 

 

That's fine, but what exactly are those WoW subscribers looking for?  Why do you think people who played WoW long term are going to find that in Aion, when it's been proven that Aion is not the same type of game.  It always cracks me up when I hear those that played for a long time say they're looking for a better PvP experience, but yet they tolerated the 'pvp' in wow for that long?  If you're are hardcore PvP'er, you never played wow for any considerable amount of time.

Having played WoW and beta Aion i do see the differences in both PvE side WoW has the edge, PvP side Aion. What Aion does is bring the best of both worlds into one and it does work, WoW tried to this but failed and decided to make the game easier as most MMO's do after so many years, hell even L2 has gotten easier. Tried WAR trail and just couldn't seem to get into either side, it felt way to simple and not enough forethought.

So if the OP has decided to leave WoW for Aion then good for him, i'm sure there are others that feel the same way, and in no way is the OP bashing WoW but giving his reasons for leaving.

I'd be interested to play this Aion, howerver the Gfx scare me, i use a moderate pc (3-5 yr old)

i doubt i could get the most out of it.... sadly.

this is the thing that wow is good at... i wont kill my pc ;-p and certainly wont make me want to buy upgrades for it.

Originally posted by drarkanex

I played Aion for a few hours... sure it's pretty, but it's not a WoW killer.  All of you leaving WoW for Aion will be back to WoW in a month or two.  I really doubt that any Korean Playstyle game can kill the WoW Behemoth.  I chuckle on articles like this comparing "   *   " to WoW and then kicking WoW in the teeth, and then a month later WoW is still on top.  I fell for the Age of Conan Failtrain, and i'm not about to fall for another fail again..  Cheers.

BTW, I'm not dissing Aion, it's a beautiful game from what i've seen and i'm sure it's gonna amass about 200,000 faithful followers but to say WoW is failing and Aion will take it's place is a HUGE overstatement.

I dont believe Aion will be a WOW killer either. But i do think Aion will take some subs from WOW and a few other games. AOC and Warhammer as well were both broken at release. If Aion released today it would be a better launch  than either of these games had. I havnt played AOC for a few months so i dont know how it is now but can say that AIon is more "finished" today than Warhammer is nearly a year after release.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by JGMIII

the "pvpers" that got tired of WAR came from games like WoW or AoC these players bitch and moun and leave a game when thier classes get nerfed. WAR is just fine, could it be improved? yeah but is it better than WoWs pvp? yes!

Edit: I could understand the DAoC players hate fro WAR, DAoC is a fucking masterpiece compared to WAR. DAoC is another game that completly owns WoW in pvp.

No, WAR is NOT "just fine". It is deeply flawed. I am still playing it, but mainly in the lower tiers with alts, and only because WoW doesn't have as good PvP.

All I'm saying is WARs pvp is better than WoWs.

Of course WAR could use some improvments and revamps but imo its still an enjoyable game even if you only like the lower tiers ( something Ienjoyed also).

It ll be interesting to see how many players WoW has lost given they have not released  what was once a quarterly statement on subscriber numbers since december 2008 . It has to be pretty bad . The vast majority of people i know from my 4 years of playing WoW have either given up or are about to give up to play Aion .People are generally fed up with how easy the game has become and cant be bothered to invest any more time in such a game .Blizzard are heading for a fall .

Originally posted by arthen999

It ll be interesting to see how many players WoW has lost given they have not released  what was once a quarterly statement on subscriber numbers since december 2008 . It has to be pretty bad . The vast majority of people i know from my 4 years of playing WoW have either given up or are about to give up to play Aion .People are generally fed up with how easy the game has become and cant be bothered to invest any more time in such a game .Blizzard are heading for a fall .

Wow has a sick turn over rate.

So many people get bored and leave but just as many join if they did lose subs its not much.

Wow is a well liked game because its everything to everyone (even though each system is mediocore at best).

So it sells well and people will play it until the graphics become extremely dated which will be a while from now since its artstyle keeps it looking fresh and clean.

Originally posted by Drakkhen

Originally posted by Teala

The graphics are good in some areas, yes, but in others they lack polish and seem like they were done quickly and haphazzardly.    

The combat, though more in depth then say WoW, is still not much different and to be honest I feel WoW's is more fluid than what we see in Aion.  

The PvP part of the game got old really fast.   

Hahahahahahaha ... OMG Teala, I just shot coffee outta my nose!

All this from the girl who got all pie-eyed for Vanguard? I remember the "disagreements" we used to have over on the Vault boards ... those were the days ...

Anyway ...

AIONs character models do not look plastic, and the game is FAR more polished than Vanguard is. Also, I think it's safe to say that everything in Vanguard was thrown together haphazardly. As far as "Eve and WoW" ... you must of smoked yourself stupid if you think either of those games holds a candle graphically to AION.

Please, WoW more fluid? Put down the bong before the damage is permanent!

The pvp is much, much better than VGs, or WoWs pvp. And besides, you wouldn't know good pvp if it jumped up and kicked the bowl outta your mouth.

What?!  What?!  Vangaurd was good, until SOE came along.    I played that game for a year - I just knew SOE would screw it up.   As for EvE...back off!  EvE is awesome.   As for WoW...Aion is a WoW wannabe and fails meserably in so many ways.   I can list them all but it would be useless since people are blinded by the honeymoon syndrome.   We all know what that is and we're all guilty of it from time to time - even me.   So I'm just going to sit back and watch another Korean grinder come to the US and crash and burn.    Lineage 2 could have been awesome if they had made the game more for the NA and European market, and I'm going to say that about Aion as well.   Aion is(no matter what som of you say) just another Lineage game with a new name and a few changes - the grind is still there - they just try to hide it and failed.   Sorry.  

Aion's graphics are cool to some extent, because I like anime, but I do not like the way the characters run...I've always hated that(even in Lineage 2).   Plus all the flashy weapons effects(thank God WoW's are not so obnoxious).   OMG don't get me going.  

Drakkhen just stay away from me - k.   

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Drakkhen

Originally posted by Teala

The graphics are good in some areas, yes, but in others they lack polish and seem like they were done quickly and haphazzardly.    

The combat, though more in depth then say WoW, is still not much different and to be honest I feel WoW's is more fluid than what we see in Aion.  

The PvP part of the game got old really fast.   

Hahahahahahaha ... OMG Teala, I just shot coffee outta my nose!

All this from the girl who got all pie-eyed for Vanguard? I remember the "disagreements" we used to have over on the Vault boards ... those were the days ...

Anyway ...

AIONs character models do not look plastic, and the game is FAR more polished than Vanguard is. Also, I think it's safe to say that everything in Vanguard was thrown together haphazardly. As far as "Eve and WoW" ... you must of smoked yourself stupid if you think either of those games holds a candle graphically to AION.

Please, WoW more fluid? Put down the bong before the damage is permanent!

The pvp is much, much better than VGs, or WoWs pvp. And besides, you wouldn't know good pvp if it jumped up and kicked the bowl outta your mouth.

 

What?!  What?!  Vangaurd was good, until SOE came along.    I played that game for a year - I just knew SOE would screw it up.   As for EvE...back off!  EvE is awesome.   As for WoW...Aion is a WoW wannabe and fails meserably in so many ways.   I can list them all but it would be useless since people are blinded by the honeymoon syndrome.   We all know what that is and we're all guilty of it from time to time - even me.   So I'm just going to sit back and watch another Korean grinder come to the US and crash and burn.    Lineage 2 could have been awesome if they had made the game more for the NA and European market, and I'm going to say that about Aion as well.   Aion is(no matter what som of you say) just another Lineage game with a new name and a few changes - the grind is still there - they just try to hide it and failed.   Sorry.  

Aion's graphics are cool to some extent, because I like anime, but I do not like the way the characters run...I've always hated that(even in Lineage 2).   Plus all the flashy weapons effects(thank God WoW's are not so obnoxious).   OMG don't get me going.  

Drakkhen just stay away from me - k.   

A wow player accusing any game of being grindy is laughable at best. By making it more for the NA EU market  do you mean making it more like wow? Not every game is a wow wannabe. For gods sake woman where do you think wow got the idea for flying carpets, achievements and barber shops?   I would not be surprised to hear about elves and gnomes with wings with tne next xpac.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Drakkhen

Originally posted by Teala

The graphics are good in some areas, yes, but in others they lack polish and seem like they were done quickly and haphazzardly.    

The combat, though more in depth then say WoW, is still not much different and to be honest I feel WoW's is more fluid than what we see in Aion.  

The PvP part of the game got old really fast.   

Hahahahahahaha ... OMG Teala, I just shot coffee outta my nose!

All this from the girl who got all pie-eyed for Vanguard? I remember the "disagreements" we used to have over on the Vault boards ... those were the days ...

Anyway ...

AIONs character models do not look plastic, and the game is FAR more polished than Vanguard is. Also, I think it's safe to say that everything in Vanguard was thrown together haphazardly. As far as "Eve and WoW" ... you must of smoked yourself stupid if you think either of those games holds a candle graphically to AION.

Please, WoW more fluid? Put down the bong before the damage is permanent!

The pvp is much, much better than VGs, or WoWs pvp. And besides, you wouldn't know good pvp if it jumped up and kicked the bowl outta your mouth.

 

What?!  What?!  Vangaurd was good, until SOE came along.    I played that game for a year - I just knew SOE would screw it up.   As for EvE...back off!  EvE is awesome.   As for WoW...Aion is a WoW wannabe and fails meserably in so many ways.   I can list them all but it would be useless since people are blinded by the honeymoon syndrome.   We all know what that is and we're all guilty of it from time to time - even me.   So I'm just going to sit back and watch another Korean grinder come to the US and crash and burn.    Lineage 2 could have been awesome if they had made the game more for the NA and European market, and I'm going to say that about Aion as well.   Aion is(no matter what som of you say) just another Lineage game with a new name and a few changes - the grind is still there - they just try to hide it and failed.   Sorry.  

Aion's graphics are cool to some extent, because I like anime, but I do not like the way the characters run...I've always hated that(even in Lineage 2).   Plus all the flashy weapons effects(thank God WoW's are not so obnoxious).   OMG don't get me going.  

Drakkhen just stay away from me - k.   

 

A wow player accusing any game of being grindy is laughable at best. By making it more for the NA EU market  do you mean making it more like wow? Not every game is a wow wannabe. For gods sake woman where do you think wow got the idea for flying carpets, achievements and barber shops?   I would not be surprised to hear about elves and gnomes with wings with tne next xpac.

I don't care that WoW took the concept of flying carpets from EQ2 or where else they got stuff from.   I have a love hate relationship with WoW myself - but even I am not blind to the fact that Blizzard produced one awesome game.     So take that and smoke it in your pipe grandpa.   :)
 

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by arthen999

It ll be interesting to see how many players WoW has lost given they have not released  what was once a quarterly statement on subscriber numbers since december 2008 . It has to be pretty bad . The vast majority of people i know from my 4 years of playing WoW have either given up or are about to give up to play Aion .People are generally fed up with how easy the game has become and cant be bothered to invest any more time in such a game .Blizzard are heading for a fall .

 

Wow has a sick turn over rate.

So many people get bored and leave but just as many join if they did lose subs its not much.

Wow is a well liked game because its everything to everyone (even though each system is mediocore at best).

So it sells well and people will play it until the graphics become extremely dated which will be a while from now since its artstyle keeps it looking fresh and clean.

that was true untill this year .things change .
 

Originally posted by arthen999

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by arthen999

It ll be interesting to see how many players WoW has lost given they have not released  what was once a quarterly statement on subscriber numbers since december 2008 . It has to be pretty bad . The vast majority of people i know from my 4 years of playing WoW have either given up or are about to give up to play Aion .People are generally fed up with how easy the game has become and cant be bothered to invest any more time in such a game .Blizzard are heading for a fall .

 

Wow has a sick turn over rate.

So many people get bored and leave but just as many join if they did lose subs its not much.

Wow is a well liked game because its everything to everyone (even though each system is mediocore at best).

So it sells well and people will play it until the graphics become extremely dated which will be a while from now since its artstyle keeps it looking fresh and clean.

that was true untill this year .things change .
 

What changed? WoW on high graphical detail still looks nice and that china thing is about over so they will get those subs back.

I don't see Aion changing anything imo Aion is more pvp focused I havent seen anything to say aion could compete with WoWs Pve endgame. if I'm wrong show my some video of the endgame pve content.

Originally posted by JGMIII

What changed? WoW on high graphical detail still looks nice and that china thing is about over so they will get those subs back.

I don't see Aion changing anything imo Aion is more pvp focused I havent seen anything to say aion could compete with WoWs Pve endgame. if I'm wrong show my some video of the endgame pve content.

How about the brand new patch that released in Korea 1.5, and that we launch with?  The one that added multiple end game PvE and PvPvE instances?  Some also have an arcade like replayability with group scores affecting the final boss and rewards.  Also many are from within fortresses that your faction must control in the Abyss.

The official trailer is here: www.youtube.com/watch

All of the footage is from new late to end game dungeons and instances.  The one i'm most excited about is featured at 1:58.  It's the Dredgion which is the ship the Balaur fly into fortress raids on when they assist random sides or attack both sides.  It is 6v6 where each faction enters and competes to defeat the boss and steal points from the enemy team. 

Originally posted by Bureyku

Originally posted by JGMIII

What changed? WoW on high graphical detail still looks nice and that china thing is about over so they will get those subs back.

I don't see Aion changing anything imo Aion is more pvp focused I havent seen anything to say aion could compete with WoWs Pve endgame. if I'm wrong show my some video of the endgame pve content.

 

How about the brand new patch that released in Korea 1.5, and that we launch with?  The one that added multiple end game PvE and PvPvE instances?  Some also have an arcade like replayability with group scores affecting the final boss and rewards.  Also many are from within fortresses that your faction must control in the Abyss.

The official trailer is here: www.youtube.com/watch

Thanks for the link.

Tbh i'm not hating on Aion I just dont know much about it.

I've seen alot of games say they will take WoWs subs and so far all we've seen are MMos that are niche (focus on a few mechanics). If you're going to beat WoW you will need a jack of all trades game and alot of cash behind you to get the word out.

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Drakkhen

Originally posted by Teala

The graphics are good in some areas, yes, but in others they lack polish and seem like they were done quickly and haphazzardly.    

The combat, though more in depth then say WoW, is still not much different and to be honest I feel WoW's is more fluid than what we see in Aion.  

The PvP part of the game got old really fast.   

Hahahahahahaha ... OMG Teala, I just shot coffee outta my nose!

All this from the girl who got all pie-eyed for Vanguard? I remember the "disagreements" we used to have over on the Vault boards ... those were the days ...

Anyway ...

AIONs character models do not look plastic, and the game is FAR more polished than Vanguard is. Also, I think it's safe to say that everything in Vanguard was thrown together haphazardly. As far as "Eve and WoW" ... you must of smoked yourself stupid if you think either of those games holds a candle graphically to AION.

Please, WoW more fluid? Put down the bong before the damage is permanent!

The pvp is much, much better than VGs, or WoWs pvp. And besides, you wouldn't know good pvp if it jumped up and kicked the bowl outta your mouth.

 

What?!  What?!  Vangaurd was good, until SOE came along.    I played that game for a year - I just knew SOE would screw it up.   As for EvE...back off!  EvE is awesome.   As for WoW...Aion is a WoW wannabe and fails meserably in so many ways.   I can list them all but it would be useless since people are blinded by the honeymoon syndrome.   We all know what that is and we're all guilty of it from time to time - even me.   So I'm just going to sit back and watch another Korean grinder come to the US and crash and burn.    Lineage 2 could have been awesome if they had made the game more for the NA and European market, and I'm going to say that about Aion as well.   Aion is(no matter what som of you say) just another Lineage game with a new name and a few changes - the grind is still there - they just try to hide it and failed.   Sorry.  

Aion's graphics are cool to some extent, because I like anime, but I do not like the way the characters run...I've always hated that(even in Lineage 2).   Plus all the flashy weapons effects(thank God WoW's are not so obnoxious).   OMG don't get me going.  

Drakkhen just stay away from me - k.   

 

A wow player accusing any game of being grindy is laughable at best. By making it more for the NA EU market  do you mean making it more like wow? Not every game is a wow wannabe. For gods sake woman where do you think wow got the idea for flying carpets, achievements and barber shops?   I would not be surprised to hear about elves and gnomes with wings with tne next xpac.

I don't care that WoW took the concept of flying carpets from EQ2 or where else they got stuff from.   I have a love hate relationship with WoW myself - but even I am not blind to the fact that Blizzard produced one awesome game.     So take that and smoke it in your pipe grandpa.   :)
 

Kinda like smoking isnt it? Makes you sick but you cant quit. Played wow  for a couple years myself then realized it wasnt fun just a habit i had gotten into.  Aion didnt make me quit wow but i do like the game so far.

Games don't claim to take subs, but fans do usually.  I don't know why.  Who the hell cares when your server holds like 10-15k players?  Sure there are 10.99 million other players playing the same game but you will never see them.  Just give me 1 full server 24/7 (would have to be multiregional like FFXI) and a game that isn't shallow that I can get lost in and i'll be happy.

Anyway you are right about one thing.  Aion is a PvPvE game and all servers are the same.  The mid to end game focuses heavily on fortress sieging and factional warfare in the World.  Now there is one instance where people can compete, but most of these instances are on timers so people don't get lost in them leaving little action in the real world.  They even increased these timers in testing.

That shows how different NCSoft's approach is from Blizzard's.  Blizzard does everything they can to take people out of the world and put them in instances while NCSoft tries to cater to both sides, but does what they can to keep people in the world fighting for their side.

This is the type of game I want to play.  No offense to Blizzard because they make killer games.  I just don't like WoW.  Love Diablo, Starcraft, etc.  I will buy their next MMO, and I will buy Diablo 3.  I just wouldn't consider playing WoW again once I realized what their goal was with the game and it's PvP systems.

Originally posted by JGMIII

Originally posted by illorion

Originally posted by JGMIII

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Originally posted by tanoril

It's the same story all the time.  Some new game gets ready to be released and we start seeing articles on how great this new game is in beta and how it will be the WoW killer and me and my 100 guildmates are quitting WoW and joining 'new game'.  Then 6 months passes, the new game isn't so new anymore, there isn't as much content being added, it's not as much fun playing an alt, etc.  Meanwhile, Blizzard keeps on chugging along, Blizzcon or some other trade shows comes along and they tease with a new expansion.  Little by little that guy who moved over with his 100 guildmates starts to see less and less of his guild online.  Then Blizzard releases a major patch prior to the expansion, more guildies start coming back.  Then the expansion is launched and what was once 100 guildmates is now 10-15 (you know, those that are the hardcore PvP'ers).

It amazes me that there are people to come to this website still being delusional that somehow, someway it will be different this time.  And that you can make that determination by just playing the beta.  Never played the end-game, where a successfull game retains a majority of it's players.  We saw this with WAR (remember, that was supposed to be THE GAME, you know, because it's Warhammer).  We saw it with AoC (forgetting it was Funcom running the game).  Now we see it with Aion.  I'm sure we'll see it Star Wars whenever Bioware gets around to releasing it. 

I'm happy the OP likes Aion.  I'm not surprised that he's bored with WoW, most are.  But lets not kid ourselves.  It's just temporary.  It's ALWAYS temporary.  It's been temporary for 5 years now.  It's going to continue to be temporary for the forseeable future.  The haters don't want to hear that.  They want a replacement NOW.  That fine.  Good luck with your replacement.  When Emerald Dream launches with new races, a new continent and a bunch of other stuff, I'm sure Blizzard will welcome you (and your subscription dollars) back.  Remember, it's not personal.

The OP isn;t saying the game will kill WoW.

He's just saying Aion is a much better game for him and tbh WAR is a better game than WoW.

If they got rid of the shitty stability issues the game would be fantastic, it has better classes, better instanced pvp and better world pvp and the quests are similar and graphics are better.

Nothing is going to kill wow, we all know the average sub for every MMO is around 150k and thats where every game falls with the exception of FFXI and Eve (300-400k subs).

Alot of the games people called "wow killer" are actually alot better than world of warcraft its just these games are a niche and not a jack of all trades that appeals to non-gamers.

 

niche game is a nice way of saying that the developers were too poor or too lazy to implement more than few interesting game mechanics. For instance u have eve, the developers just put in more zones with a copy paste backround and call in content. If they took some time and money and put in some immersions it would be alot better. The same things is with aion. They took the face maker from oblivion and the graphics design of fable, and then they made a crappy world full of invisible walls and blured light effects. Its not even open world. Have you seen the starting area or played through it? Its a long S shaped path and when you make it to the end of it you get your wings. You wanna fly from the starting area over the mountains to some other area... well guess what u cant cause there is a huge invisible wall over the mountains and u can only fly for a minute. This game is far more theme park like and linear than wow ever thought about being. At least in wow if wanna climb the mountains in crossroads and jump to your death in duskwallow marsh you are free to do so. In aion u can even jump over some step rails.
 

not to mention that u cant swim and the youngest male voice is done but the guy that did prince zuko of avatar the last airbender.(both of these really get me)

 

Copy and pasting content? you play WoW and you say eves developers copy and paste content? how many times have you fought the same mob skin over and over again? how many lame dungeons will blizzard release with reused raid strats?

LOL I don;t even care for Aion tbh, What i can relate to is the OPs dislike for WoW wich I totally agree with.

And no niche isnt a cop out, Certain developers want to make a pvp focused game or a crafting heavy game or a game with freedom and exploration. Not every game wants to be average like WoW in every way.

Jack of all trades may get more subs but sooner or later players that like pvp more will leave and players that like crafting or raid content more will leave since WoW is average in all areas.

Sorry but games like DAoc, WAR and AOC have better pvp. Games like EQ2, Lotro and others have better pve and games like Vanguard have much better crafting systems. when you decide to focus on a few mechanics and make a niche MMO its not a cop out.

War, DAoc, and AOC have crappy pvp and the only time it starts to get good the game lags like it just had hip replacement. I played an EQ2 trial once and it sucked. I tryed Lotro and i found myself feeling a little gayer for having thrown my hat in with that fellowship hobbit crap.( oooo look at my scary furry little feet) and vangaurd is worst running game out of all of them, It has great potential except when you have to run into a door like 10 times to get it to open

You just called being into Lord of the rings Gay one of the greatest freaking Fantasy novels of all time yet its not gay to play WoW with little hoppity elves and gnomes?

Sorry but your crazy if you think WoWs Esport is better than DAoc or even WAAR. i may agree with AoC and its shitty preformance though but at its core the combat is much better.

Edit: as for WAR it kicks WoWs ass in Instanced and world pvp so i dont know how its better. You like arenas or something? play Guildwars that game owns wows pvp also.

 

i dont play alliance in Wow cause it ya know gives you a choice whether to run around looking like a fag or not. I played DAoc back in its prime i remeber the castle vs castle mega zergs where you captured your opponents castle by bringing shere numbers and lagging them out i did play a WAR trial and it looked and ran like crap and Guildwars isnt an mmo is just a multiplayer game that looks like and mmo

Because you play Horde you call people that like Lotro Gay? you're a messed up dude. you dont happen to live in the South US or one of the middles states do you?

Also sorry but Horde has little hopity elves also.

 

i never said those exact words.. i never said people that play lotro were gay ( sounds like some kinda guily conscience to me) all i said was that i felt gay playing it. None of the race or classes make me feel powerful, they make me feel like a gay little hobbit bandit or some crap. At least with wow if u dont want to be a human, gay elf, faggy dwarf, or pussy halfling, u can be a tauren or undead or an orc or something

and no DAoc didnt have a better pvp system. cause it didt work. if a car came out that had some great new designs on it that didnt work would you still say it was a good car. no dummy its a piece of crap that shakes like a black girl booty when you get over 55mph and so did Daoc

 

It's freaking lord of the rings!!!! your not supposed to feel all powerful your power comes in the form of your group or fellowship!!!

Seriously how does a game make you feel gay? i still think your messed up. You act like being gay is a bad thing or something live in the 2000's buddy.

was gone for a while now im back... that why lotro should never have been anything more than a console game and yes being gay is a bad thing cause if u take it in the ass for long enough then you leak poo out your hole for the rest of your life and have to wear a butt plug all the time... look it up

Originally posted by JGMIII 

Tbh i'm not hating on Aion I just dont know much about it.

I've seen alot of games say they will take WoWs subs and so far all we've seen are MMos that are niche (focus on a few mechanics). If you're going to beat WoW you will need a jack of all trades game and alot of cash behind you to get the word out.

They do not have to beat WoW. I personally have not seen them say that. Some player have, but aren't those people taunting every MMO that comes out? Just ignore the ignorant and make a judgement by yourself. Heck, even wait for official reviews to come out rather than listen people only on forums.

Aion has quite different end-game spectrum to WoW. It will appeal to different type of players and will most likely be a niche game. That does not mean that it cannot have a solid subscriber base in EU/NA - like 300-500k (and I am being generous here). It probably only needs 100-150k in EU/NA.

Two main things about Aion is that it is fresh and the core concept of gameplay that is build around PvPvE. None of us know whether it will have the pulling power to keep people playing for many years, but at least it is most exciting title coming any time soon.

Originally posted by illorion

 

was gone for a while now im back... that why lotro should never have been anything more than a console game and yes being gay is a bad thing cause if u take it in the ass for long enough then you leak poo out your hole for the rest of your life and have to wear a butt plug all the time... look it up

LOL thats some funny shit dude. You made me spit water on my screen LOL!

Gay stuff aside I think its ok that your not this OP hero In Lotro and apart of something bigger.

We have enough games that let you do that already. I'm sure you will agree variety in the genre is good even if you disliked Lotro.

@thexrated spot on.

I just hope for entertainment until Final Fantasy XIV... or Diablo 3.. at least Dragon Age Origins.  I think the end game is dynamic enough to keep people interested for quite a long time though.

If you look at the rate which they are releasing free major patches it is quite impressive.  Since they release solid games like Blizzard they can build on them with content and expansion instead of fixing crap for the first year.