You guys were ruled by an idiot for 8 years and now you complain about Obama? Gosh, some Americans are unbelievable. Even if you are a war-petrol-and-destruction-loving Republican, you have to admit that Bush was not the most suitable person to be the leader of the most advanced and powerful country in the world!

In the next election, just vote for the dumbest guy possible. That way, you will at least know you cannot expect much and everyone will be happy. Obama's biggest challenge is the Americans expectations from him. Something that was not the case with Bush! He was way too stupid and corrupt for people to expect anything from him...

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by AJ2ME

 

P.S. >> Most people in countries that have free health care, if they can afford it they come to America 

 

Without a doubt. US healthcare is the best in the world but only if you can afford it which most people in the world cannot.

Wrong again, take my story, take the story of the person right above you.  Do you live in America obviously not.

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by AJ2ME

 

P.S. >> Most people in countries that have free health care, if they can afford it they come to America 

 

Without a doubt. US healthcare is the best in the world but only if you can afford it which most people in the world cannot.

 

Wrong again, take my story, take the story of the person right above you.  Do you live in America obviously not.

One person's story does not make the rule or norm, dude.

Originally posted by Slampig

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by NovaKayne

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by rekkor

If Obama was SOE then his new health care plan would be the NGE. He is gonna try his best to shove it down our throats like SOE did the NGE and then try and convice us its for the best.  He'll do this despite the polls saying that a majority of Americans are happy with their current health care, like SOE did even though the current fan base largely hated the NGE.  Also like the nge, if his health care plan gets passed, it will be very difficult to roll the system back to a previous more successful state. Then you'll have EMU's pop up. This will be states like Texas that may end up seceding from the Union.  That is how Obama is like SOE

 

The reason why the majority of americans are happy with their health care is because of two reasons:

1. They have a health insurance, about 15% of americans do not.
2. They don't get seriously ill so they will never see what happens to their insurance premiums when they do get seriously ill

Health insurance should not be a majority decision, basically all civilized countries provide health care for ALL their citizens as it is stated in article 25 of declaration of human rights:

Article 25.

* (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.

So adequate medical care is a fundamental right that all humans should have, not only those that can afford it.

All praise Obama for being the first president ever to realise that.

That being said, universal free healthcare is not perfect either. My collegues friend recently discovered he had metastatic cancer and the doctors gave him about 6 months to live if he does not get threatment. He got in line for chemotherapy and the line was 2 months long, effectively reducing his survival chances to basically zero.

 

 

Do not confuse RIGHT with ENTITLED.

 

You have the RIGHT to the health care meaning you cannot be denied.  Go to an emergency room and you will not be denied.  This falacy that you do not have access to health care is a myth.

 

Do you get billed for it?  Sure.

 

Are the costs outrageous?  Sure.

 

Will the bill they propose limit spending or costs? No.

 

Will the bill they propose limit lawsuits?  No.

 

Will the bill do anything to lower the cost of heal care? Who knows?

 

Will it end up costing taxpayers of every level?  You bet it will!!!!

 

Will health care suiffer for this?  You bet it will!!!!!

 

Why do people come to the US yearly for treatment?  Why is the Crowned Prince of Saudi in a US hospital and not being treated in his own country?  Simple, you want the best health care you go to the best place.

Having the right to something implies that it is readily available. For example: the right of free speech does not mean that you have free speech if you can afford it. Same with housing and food etc otherwise the whole declaration would be pointless if you added if you can afford it to every article.

US health care system is extremely good but only if you can afford it. A large portion of US citizens cannot and hence suffer for it.

I only make around 25K a year and I can afford my health insurance plan. There are programs that make paying your health care bills affordable and viable even on a small salary. I have a 32K hospital bill and have been paying that off each month since I was released from the hospital. You are going to have to do better to convince me that I need to shell out even more of my earnings to pay for someone that either does not WANT to get health insurance, of who I know several people, or are not even citizens of this country.

I dont need to convince you of anything as I dont live in US and not affected either way. But many americans have been brainwashed by the Republicans for so long that they see anything which helps someone who is not able as communism.

What I am saying is that healthcare is something that all citizens both are entitled to and have the right two according to article 2 and 25 of universal declaration of human rights. But republicans have never been so keen on caring about human rights so no surprise that many americans doesn't either.

And the fact is that about 15% of US citizens are without health insurance, you claim that they are because they dont want to, but why on earth would they not want to have health care? Makes no sense to me.

Originally posted by huxflux2004

You guys were ruled by an idiot for 8 years and now you complain about Obama? Gosh, some Americans are unbelievable. Even if you are a war-petrol-and-destruction-loving Republican, you have to admit that Bush was not the most suitable person to be the leader of the most advanced and powerful country in the world!

 

In the next election, just vote for the dumbest guy possible. That way, you will at least know you cannot expect much and everyone will be happy. Obama's biggest challenge is the Americans expectations from him. Something that was not the case with Bush! He was just to stupid and corrupt for people to expect anything from him...

And that's why Obama won the election, because most Americans were so fed up with Bush, yes even Republicans.  America is a center country, Obama is far left.

He is popular, yes.  He's policies are not.

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by AJ2ME

 

P.S. >> Most people in countries that have free health care, if they can afford it they come to America 

 

Without a doubt. US healthcare is the best in the world but only if you can afford it which most people in the world cannot.

 

Wrong again, take my story, take the story of the person right above you.  Do you live in America obviously not.

Uhm, why dont you read his statement again and realise that it was about people NOT living in US (and hence obviously not having an american health insurance).

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by AJ2ME

 

P.S. >> Most people in countries that have free health care, if they can afford it they come to America 

 

Without a doubt. US healthcare is the best in the world but only if you can afford it which most people in the world cannot.

 

Wrong again, take my story, take the story of the person right above you.  Do you live in America obviously not.

 

One person's story does not make the rule or norm, dude.

There is 2 stories in this one thread. 

I will repeat this again, AMERICANS ARE NOT DENIED HEALTHCARE.  Believe what you want, if your news tells you otherwise, here are 2 Americans in this thread that do not know each other from anything telling you different.  Americans are not denied healthcare!

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by AJ2ME

 

P.S. >> Most people in countries that have free health care, if they can afford it they come to America 

 

Without a doubt. US healthcare is the best in the world but only if you can afford it which most people in the world cannot.

 

Wrong again, take my story, take the story of the person right above you.  Do you live in America obviously not.

 

One person's story does not make the rule or norm, dude.

 

There is 2 stories in this one thread. 

I will repeat this again, AMERICANS ARE NOT DENIED HEALTHCARE.  Believe what you want, if your news tells you otherwise, here are 2 Americans in this thread that do not know each other from anything telling you different.  Americans are not denied healthcare!

Even if they are extremely poor?

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by huxflux2004

You guys were ruled by an idiot for 8 years and now you complain about Obama? Gosh, some Americans are unbelievable. Even if you are a war-petrol-and-destruction-loving Republican, you have to admit that Bush was not the most suitable person to be the leader of the most advanced and powerful country in the world!

 

In the next election, just vote for the dumbest guy possible. That way, you will at least know you cannot expect much and everyone will be happy. Obama's biggest challenge is the Americans expectations from him. Something that was not the case with Bush! He was just to stupid and corrupt for people to expect anything from him...

 

And that's why Obama won the election, because most Americans were so fed up with Bush, yes even Republicans.  America is a center country, Obama is far left.

He is popular, yes.  He's policies are not.

Then he will be voted out of office the next election and you can have another republican to cut taxes of the wealthy people, start wars based on made up evidence and revert to a healthcare for those that can afford it.

I dont need to convince you of anything as I dont live in US and not affected either way. But many americans have been brainwashed by the Republicans for so long that they see anything which helps someone who is not able as communism.

What I am saying is that healthcare is something that all citizens both are entitled to and have the right two according to article 2 and 25 of universal declaration of human rights. But republicans have never been so keen on caring about human rights so no surprise that many americans doesn't either.

And the fact is that about 15% of US citizens are without health insurance, you claim that they are because they dont want to, but why on earth would they not want to have health care? Makes no sense to me.

 

*sigh*

Healthcare insurance does not equal not receiving healthcare.

Americans are not denied healthcare.

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by huxflux2004

You guys were ruled by an idiot for 8 years and now you complain about Obama? Gosh, some Americans are unbelievable. Even if you are a war-petrol-and-destruction-loving Republican, you have to admit that Bush was not the most suitable person to be the leader of the most advanced and powerful country in the world!

 

In the next election, just vote for the dumbest guy possible. That way, you will at least know you cannot expect much and everyone will be happy. Obama's biggest challenge is the Americans expectations from him. Something that was not the case with Bush! He was just to stupid and corrupt for people to expect anything from him...

 

And that's why Obama won the election, because most Americans were so fed up with Bush, yes even Republicans.  America is a center country, Obama is far left.

He is popular, yes.  He's policies are not.

If you read on international politics, you will find out that what you consider "far-left", is conservative or center-right in most European countries. But, even for the States, Obama is not far-left....

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by AJ2ME

 

P.S. >> Most people in countries that have free health care, if they can afford it they come to America 

 

Without a doubt. US healthcare is the best in the world but only if you can afford it which most people in the world cannot.

 

Wrong again, take my story, take the story of the person right above you.  Do you live in America obviously not.

 

One person's story does not make the rule or norm, dude.

 

There is 2 stories in this one thread. 

I will repeat this again, AMERICANS ARE NOT DENIED HEALTHCARE.  Believe what you want, if your news tells you otherwise, here are 2 Americans in this thread that do not know each other from anything telling you different.  Americans are not denied healthcare!

Oh, and I should just blindly accept that because you, a brainwashed far-right neo-liberal, says so?

Believe it or not but I do know people in the US and they have told me how tough it is to have a good health insurance if you get seriously ill. Your premiums will go sky-high and it will be nigh-impossible to sign a new one because they check your health history and if you have been seriously ill then you are shit out of luck (unless you are wealthy).

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by AJ2ME

 

P.S. >> Most people in countries that have free health care, if they can afford it they come to America 

 

Without a doubt. US healthcare is the best in the world but only if you can afford it which most people in the world cannot.

 

Wrong again, take my story, take the story of the person right above you.  Do you live in America obviously not.

 

One person's story does not make the rule or norm, dude.

 

There is 2 stories in this one thread. 

I will repeat this again, AMERICANS ARE NOT DENIED HEALTHCARE.  Believe what you want, if your news tells you otherwise, here are 2 Americans in this thread that do not know each other from anything telling you different.  Americans are not denied healthcare!

 

Even if they are extremely poor?

Yes even if they are extremely poor, no one is denied healthcare in America.  To go further on that I mean no one is denied it even the 40 million illegal aliens.

Originally posted by Mazin

I dont need to convince you of anything as I dont live in US and not affected either way. But many americans have been brainwashed by the Republicans for so long that they see anything which helps someone who is not able as communism.

What I am saying is that healthcare is something that all citizens both are entitled to and have the right two according to article 2 and 25 of universal declaration of human rights. But republicans have never been so keen on caring about human rights so no surprise that many americans doesn't either.

And the fact is that about 15% of US citizens are without health insurance, you claim that they are because they dont want to, but why on earth would they not want to have health care? Makes no sense to me.

 

 

*sigh*

Healthcare insurance does not equal not receiving healthcare.

Americans are not denied healthcare.

Not affording it and being denied it is effectively the same thing. You can go on with your semantics about they not being the same but effectively they are the same.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by AJ2ME

 

P.S. >> Most people in countries that have free health care, if they can afford it they come to America 

 

Without a doubt. US healthcare is the best in the world but only if you can afford it which most people in the world cannot.

 

Wrong again, take my story, take the story of the person right above you.  Do you live in America obviously not.

 

One person's story does not make the rule or norm, dude.

 

There is 2 stories in this one thread. 

I will repeat this again, AMERICANS ARE NOT DENIED HEALTHCARE.  Believe what you want, if your news tells you otherwise, here are 2 Americans in this thread that do not know each other from anything telling you different.  Americans are not denied healthcare!

 

Oh, and I should just blindly accept that because you, a brainwashed far-right neo-liberal, says so?

Believe it or not but I do know people in the US and they have told me how tough it is to have a good health insurance if you get seriously ill. Your premiums will go sky-high and it will be nigh-impossible to sign a new one because they check your health history and if you have been seriously ill then you are shit out of luck (unless you are wealthy).

This is partially true, but just because you dont have healthcare insurance does not mean you will not receive healthcare, you know where people take care of you, not healthcare insurance that little card in your wallet.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Mazin

I dont need to convince you of anything as I dont live in US and not affected either way. But many americans have been brainwashed by the Republicans for so long that they see anything which helps someone who is not able as communism.

What I am saying is that healthcare is something that all citizens both are entitled to and have the right two according to article 2 and 25 of universal declaration of human rights. But republicans have never been so keen on caring about human rights so no surprise that many americans doesn't either.

And the fact is that about 15% of US citizens are without health insurance, you claim that they are because they dont want to, but why on earth would they not want to have health care? Makes no sense to me.

 

 

*sigh*

Healthcare insurance does not equal not receiving healthcare.

Americans are not denied healthcare.

Not affording it and being denied it is effectively the same thing. You can go on with your semantics about they not being the same but effectively they are the same.

I give up, believe what your news tells yah.

Originally posted by Mazin

 

Oh, and I should just blindly accept that because you, a brainwashed far-right neo-liberal, says so?

Believe it or not but I do know people in the US and they have told me how tough it is to have a good health insurance if you get seriously ill. Your premiums will go sky-high and it will be nigh-impossible to sign a new one because they check your health history and if you have been seriously ill then you are shit out of luck (unless you are wealthy).

This is partially true, but just because you dont have healthcare insurance does not mean you will not receive healthcare, you know where people take care of you, not healthcare insurance that little card in your wallet.

To get adequate health care (which is stated in the article), in US, you need either an health insurance or pay alot of money. For example, lets say I dont have health insurance (because I cannot afford it) and I accidently cut of my fingers with a saw. If I go to the hospital and they say that they can put a bandage on it and thats it even though they can re-attach your fingers but only if you pay thousands of dollars I would NOT call that adequate health care.

That is adequate health care if you can afford it. If not you get a bandage and sent on your way.

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Mazin

 

Even if they are extremely poor?

Yes even if they are extremely poor, no one is denied healthcare in America.  To go further on that I mean no one is denied it even the 40 million illegal aliens.

Is this why the States are ranked 46 (according to the CIA factbook) in infant mortality? That is 2 places below Cuba, by the way...

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Mazin

I dont need to convince you of anything as I dont live in US and not affected either way. But many americans have been brainwashed by the Republicans for so long that they see anything which helps someone who is not able as communism.

What I am saying is that healthcare is something that all citizens both are entitled to and have the right two according to article 2 and 25 of universal declaration of human rights. But republicans have never been so keen on caring about human rights so no surprise that many americans doesn't either.

And the fact is that about 15% of US citizens are without health insurance, you claim that they are because they dont want to, but why on earth would they not want to have health care? Makes no sense to me.

 

 

*sigh*

Healthcare insurance does not equal not receiving healthcare.

Americans are not denied healthcare.

Not affording it and being denied it is effectively the same thing. You can go on with your semantics about they not being the same but effectively they are the same.

 

I give up, believe what your news tells yah.

Anyone who doesnt think there is already free healthcare in this country arnt living in the real world. You can go to my local clinic any day of the week and see uninsured people being treated.

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by huxflux2004

You guys were ruled by an idiot for 8 years and now you complain about Obama? Gosh, some Americans are unbelievable. Even if you are a war-petrol-and-destruction-loving Republican, you have to admit that Bush was not the most suitable person to be the leader of the most advanced and powerful country in the world!

 

In the next election, just vote for the dumbest guy possible. That way, you will at least know you cannot expect much and everyone will be happy. Obama's biggest challenge is the Americans expectations from him. Something that was not the case with Bush! He was just to stupid and corrupt for people to expect anything from him...

 

And that's why Obama won the election, because most Americans were so fed up with Bush, yes even Republicans.  America is a center country, Obama is far left.

He is popular, yes.  He's policies are not.

 

If you read on international politics, you will find out that what you consider "far-left", is conservative or center-right in most European countries. But, even for the States, Obama is not far-left....

 

<Left============================Center========================Right>

Total gov't control over everything          Middle Ground                             No gov't anarachy

After America won its independance in the 1780s we were more an anarachy  under the Articles of Confederation, and later in 1789 the Constitution was written that made us more of a center right country.  Based on our past Obama's policies are far left.

Maybe just skip healthcare and spend more money on schooling and making people in the US smarter. And then in about 20-30 years it will be better even without healthcare.

And while your at it remove the federal reserve bank and stop using oil as fuel, use enviourment friendly fuel. I can go on and on but start there.

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Mazin

 

Even if they are extremely poor?

Yes even if they are extremely poor, no one is denied healthcare in America.  To go further on that I mean no one is denied it even the 40 million illegal aliens.

 

Is this why the States are ranked 46 (according to the CIA factbook) in infant mortality? That is 2 places below Cuba, by the way...

I don't know what that means, do you know that California is the 6th largest economy in the world.  Provide a link to your data btw, I'm not saying your wrong just want to dig deeper into your theory that Americans do not receive healthcare.

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by huxflux2004

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by huxflux2004

You guys were ruled by an idiot for 8 years and now you complain about Obama? Gosh, some Americans are unbelievable. Even if you are a war-petrol-and-destruction-loving Republican, you have to admit that Bush was not the most suitable person to be the leader of the most advanced and powerful country in the world!

 

In the next election, just vote for the dumbest guy possible. That way, you will at least know you cannot expect much and everyone will be happy. Obama's biggest challenge is the Americans expectations from him. Something that was not the case with Bush! He was just to stupid and corrupt for people to expect anything from him...

 

And that's why Obama won the election, because most Americans were so fed up with Bush, yes even Republicans.  America is a center country, Obama is far left.

He is popular, yes.  He's policies are not.

 

If you read on international politics, you will find out that what you consider "far-left", is conservative or center-right in most European countries. But, even for the States, Obama is not far-left....

 

 

<Left============================Center========================Right>

Total gov't control over everything          Middle Ground                             No gov't anarachy

After America won its independance in the 1780s we were more an anarachy  under the Articles of Confederation, and later in 1789 the Constitution was written that made us more of a center right country.  Based on our past Obama's policies are far left.

Or maybe just do the right thing and give the land back to the indians that was there long long before some moron came and just claimed someone elses land.

Being ruled by an idiot for 8 years does not mean we sit idly by and be ruled by a socialist.  There were critics of the "idiot" and there will be critics of the "socialist".

And yes, we can still own weapons to defend ourselves in this country and particulary in the state I live in we can have conceled weapons.  Not everyone is running around shooting each other.  No non-guns-allowing area has less crime than areas that have guns so....

Health care is not free in US but, it is there.  When Government gets involved in anything start following the money trail back  from the official who is proposing it and you will find someone or some company that will profit.  Plane and simple, NOTHING is FREE and EVERYTHING has a cost.  It depends on whether you are willing to pay that cost.

Originally posted by Mazin

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Mazin

I dont need to convince you of anything as I dont live in US and not affected either way. But many americans have been brainwashed by the Republicans for so long that they see anything which helps someone who is not able as communism.

What I am saying is that healthcare is something that all citizens both are entitled to and have the right two according to article 2 and 25 of universal declaration of human rights. But republicans have never been so keen on caring about human rights so no surprise that many americans doesn't either.

And the fact is that about 15% of US citizens are without health insurance, you claim that they are because they dont want to, but why on earth would they not want to have health care? Makes no sense to me.

 

 

*sigh*

Healthcare insurance does not equal not receiving healthcare.

Americans are not denied healthcare.

Not affording it and being denied it is effectively the same thing. You can go on with your semantics about they not being the same but effectively they are the same.

 

I give up, believe what your news tells yah.

Media is controlled mate, use brains insted of what you hear and what people want you to see.