Originally posted by Terranah

 

This from the review:

"In fact, I just couldn't find it playable in any enjoyable way."

 

And yet the game garners a 6/10, which is 'acceptable'.  If the reviewer finds that the game was not enjoyable in any way, that does not seem acceptable at all.  I think there was a disconnect between the rating and what the reviewer said. 

 

Bums on seats !!!! One must think of 'bums on seats' !!!!!

When the overall player rating is 6.7 one can't afford to go against the public opinion.

I read the review and i overall agree with it,even though you do have a point there if anyone tries to translate the words of the review into numbers they definitely don't translate into a "6".

  Pretty bad review imo. How come you don't write a word on naval combat & different siege engines. Did you join any clan & sieged another city? Did you handle a siege engine? Did you gank anyone in their own city? Did you lose a town in a siege? Did you kill an epic monster? Did you navigate a ship? Did you sink an enemy ship? Did you build a house?

 You failed to even mention some of these features who are pretty new to the  genre & the ones you mentioned you failed to describe. Why didn't you ask AV to help you out with finding a clan giving you some real good gear so you could experience some of the end game & real content. Cuz let's face it, MMO gamers have no life, so there's no such thing as a casual gamer, especially here in these forums. A casual gamer will try & play sometimes a free MMO, because he doesn't want to pay monthly for a game he knows his wife won't let him play. If you base a review of a MMO on only single player content, that is a big fail & it goes against the principle of the genre, against the name itself.

  One of these days I'd like to see a review of WoW that doesn't mention quests, epic monsters & the rewards you get from them.

A 6 is a shit score, stop complaining about the rating and just be happy it got such a crap score.

Personally a 6 is fine, the game needs tons of love.

Now rereview WAR and Lotro both are rated way too hi.

ya know, as much as I hate AV for their acam-artist tactics....and as much as I have to admit that DF could have more polish and content....at the same time, I have to say that a 6 is a bit low.

I played the game for quite a few months. I got to see every aspect that the game had to offer. To be honest, if not for the NA server debacle, I'd still be playing.

I never got poor performance, even on a mid-range machine. I never, EVER crashed....not even once.

Never had problems with the inventory.....I looked at it like this: you're carrying a bag. When you loot shit, you're throwing it into that bag. I've never seen a BAG with little slots to put everything neatly in order....it's a fucking BAG.

IMO, people who bitch about things like this are just not used to realism in games.

I dunno....maybe I just "get it" when I'm playing this kind of game, or maybe I just like more challenging games where I'm not playing a glorified game of connect the dots, while supported by all-too-convenient artificial mechanics (such as inventory sorting, safe zones, looting rights, color-coded enemies, and the like). But I understand Darkfall and games like it, and I certainly wouldn't give it a "6" due to intended features that I simply didn't agree with, or write a "review" which leaves out the majority of the game's content.

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by Terranah

 

This from the review:

"In fact, I just couldn't find it playable in any enjoyable way."

 

And yet the game garners a 6/10, which is 'acceptable'.  If the reviewer finds that the game was not enjoyable in any way, that does not seem acceptable at all.  I think there was a disconnect between the rating and what the reviewer said. 

 

Bums on seats !!!! One must think of 'bums on seats' !!!!!

When the overall player rating is 6.7 one can't afford to go against the public opinion.

I read the review and i overall agree with it,even though you do have a point there if anyone tries to translate the words of the review into numbers they definitely don't translate into a "6".

Maybe he is  not thinkin gof himself, and realize that some people may like it, and the people it caters to will like it, I mean he did put I and not Everyone when he said he could not find it enjoyable way, Maybe its because hes used to having his hand held and quests telling him what to do when and how many times.

Dfo just gives you the tools, you choose from there, It is not a complete sandbox game when it comes to all elements of a MMORPG but it is truly a sandbox. It needs more content/features and a few fixes and I will say it will be up with EVE. Might be a while before a lot of stuff gets added in, they are a indie company afterall.

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

ya know, as much as I hate AV for their acam-artist tactics....and as much as I have to admit that DF could have more polish and content....at the same time, I have to say that a 6 is a bit low.

I played the game for quite a few months. I got to see every aspect that the game had to offer. To be honest, if not for the NA server debacle, I'd still be playing.

I never got poor performance, even on a mid-range machine. I never, EVER crashed....not even once.

Never had problems with the inventory.....I looked at it like this: you're carrying a bag. When you loot shit, you're throwing it into that bag. I've never seen a BAG with little slots to put everything neatly in order....it's a fucking BAG.

IMO, people who bitch about things like this are just not used to realism in games.

I dunno....maybe I just "get it" when I'm playing this kind of game, or maybe I just like more challenging games where I'm not playing a glorified game of connect the dots, while supported by all-too-convenient artificial mechanics (such as inventory sorting, safe zones, looting rights, color-coded enemies, and the like). But I understand Darkfall and games like it, and I certainly wouldn't give it a "6" due to intended features that I simply didn't agree with, or write a "review" which leaves out the majority of the game's content.

 

He did not explore the whole game, but it takes time.

He barely touched the game to be honest, and not understanding the looting process is just Laughable, People dont know that if you want to loot a player corpse it takes some time, not like wow where you can just do a Select all loot button.

But  someone who would of player UO SB AC would understand this.

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

ya know, as much as I hate AV for their acam-artist tactics....and as much as I have to admit that DF could have more polish and content....at the same time, I have to say that a 6 is a bit low.

I played the game for quite a few months. I got to see every aspect that the game had to offer. To be honest, if not for the NA server debacle, I'd still be playing.

I never got poor performance, even on a mid-range machine. I never, EVER crashed....not even once.

Never had problems with the inventory.....I looked at it like this: you're carrying a bag. When you loot shit, you're throwing it into that bag. I've never seen a BAG with little slots to put everything neatly in order....it's a fucking BAG.

IMO, people who bitch about things like this are just not used to realism in games.

I dunno....maybe I just "get it" when I'm playing this kind of game, or maybe I just like more challenging games where I'm not playing a glorified game of connect the dots, while supported by all-too-convenient artificial mechanics (such as inventory sorting, safe zones, looting rights, color-coded enemies, and the like). But I understand Darkfall and games like it, and I certainly wouldn't give it a "6" due to intended features that I simply didn't agree with, or write a "review" which leaves out the majority of the game's content.

 

Well said,    I don't agree with the "scam tactics", but respect your feelings.

-CC

Whats all this about fanboys, say that we like the game and then be accused of being a fanbot? Is that supposed to be an insult? Because that's what some of you are trying to make it sound like. So many posts in this thread consist of people insulting each other for their opinions. There are barely any constructive posts that talk about the game instead of arguing over whos right and whos wrong.

I even saw a post here that stated that this game should get lower than a 4 because of the bad quests, PVE, and interface. Seriously it's a PVP game and that is the focus in the game. This is ridiculous, reading posts that have no credibility. Sure these are opinions but that's just a wrong statement.

I love all the fanboys coming out and getting angry about the review. (you know who you are)

MMORPG was extremly nice on giving this game a 6. Want to know what the upside to having a North American server is? The fact that it's open season for every gaming site to review this game now. I bet you any amount of money that not one legitimate gaming site will rate this game acceptable.

Great review MMORPG, I have always vauled your reviews and now I know this MMO is not for me.

Originally posted by Dana

Hey everyone - This debate has gotten me thinking. Honestly, I think our score matches our text, at least as far as our guidelines go, but I also see how they fail to sync up at a glance to some people.

So, I've put out a call for ideas and feedback. Please keep the discussion limited to the topic of review scores and not argue about this particular one ;)

See this blog post.

Man your mom should have been proud of you, when you came back from school with a 60% score on your exam.  I guess she says, Great Son, that's ACCEPTABLE.....

Originally posted by Sabiancym

If it's a niche game why not rate it for the niche audience?  I would give this game an 8.  I absolutely love it.

 

Of course it gets low scores from places that rate WOW high.

your totaly missing the major points of the review and the main reasons WHY the reviewer gave the score he did, my understanding of the review indicates the aspects of the game that damaged the score the MOST was the simple fact is that it is far from finished and lacking alot of polish. He didnt rate it low because of the gemeplay, but because of its current state of development. I think this review was very unbiased and quite fair, you would review DF on emotion and that alone, the reviewer in question put feelings aside and reviewed the game based on FACTS, not feelings. The game is not even close to done, hence it scored lower than youd like, sorry bub.

Originally posted by Aguitha

Originally posted by Dana

Hey everyone - This debate has gotten me thinking. Honestly, I think our score matches our text, at least as far as our guidelines go, but I also see how they fail to sync up at a glance to some people.

So, I've put out a call for ideas and feedback. Please keep the discussion limited to the topic of review scores and not argue about this particular one ;)

See this blog post.

 

Man your mom should have been proud of you, when you came back from school with a 60% score on your exam.  I guess she says, Great Son, that's ACCEPTABLE.....

See earlier post where I flat out said that the descriptor words under the reviews are outdated and we're changing them ;)

Originally posted by Mmos4life

I love all the fanboys coming out and getting angry about the review. (you know who you are)

MMORPG was extremly nice on giving this game a 6. Want to know what the upside to having a North American server is? The fact that it's open season for every gaming site to review this game now. I bet you any amount of money that not one legitimate gaming site will rate this game acceptable.

Great review MMORPG, I have always vauled your reviews and now I know this MMO is not for me.

Again? Just throw out the word and call random people fanboys. How mature. I'd rather they give a 4 or 5 because that is what many people think it should be so they don't accuse mmorpg of giving a false score and then throw out more about fanboys and whatnot.

Sorry but this is just another example of a themeparker reviewing a sandbox game.

De ja vous. Once again DF gets a poor review. Once again DF die hards go bonkers and cry all over the place. Once again DF is found to be lame. ... If SO many people and reviewers give DF a poor score there is obviously something wrong with it.

Izure, its either going to be a niche fan or themeparker who reviews so either way "fanbots" or trolls will be angry. And how are we crying? Can you hear us over the internet?

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

Again? Just throw out the word and call random people fanboys. How mature. I'd rather they give a 4 or 5 because that is what many people think it should be so they don't accuse mmorpg of giving a false score and then throw out more about fanboys and whatnot.

Is it any different then critics getting labeled troll/failtroll/etc? I mean, its easy to be the martyr, but this is a knife that cuts both ways as there seems to be little room for middle ground on this game.

Honestly though, each new review rehashes the same arguments no matter whether you agree with it or not:

Attack the reviewers credibility.

Attack the length of the review.

Attack the time played for the review.

Attack the credability of the site hosting the review.

Now, sprinkle with random insults, references to "themepark/sandbox", call people "carebear/hardcore". Cook for about 5 minutes (if you're lucky), and let drama ensue.

Originally posted by Izure

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by Terranah

 

This from the review:

"In fact, I just couldn't find it playable in any enjoyable way."

 

And yet the game garners a 6/10, which is 'acceptable'.  If the reviewer finds that the game was not enjoyable in any way, that does not seem acceptable at all.  I think there was a disconnect between the rating and what the reviewer said. 

 

Bums on seats !!!! One must think of 'bums on seats' !!!!!

When the overall player rating is 6.7 one can't afford to go against the public opinion.

I read the review and i overall agree with it,even though you do have a point there if anyone tries to translate the words of the review into numbers they definitely don't translate into a "6".

 

Maybe he is  not thinkin gof himself, and realize that some people may like it, and the people it caters to will like it, I mean he did put I and not Everyone when he said he could not find it enjoyable way, Maybe its because hes used to having his hand held and quests telling him what to do when and how many times.

 

Dfo just gives you the tools, you choose from there, It is not a complete sandbox game when it comes to all elements of a MMORPG but it is truly a sandbox. It needs more content/features and a few fixes and I will say it will be up with EVE. Might be a while before a lot of stuff gets added in, they are a indie company afterall.

Some of the points are accurate but for the most part I see the review as biased with added inexperience to the environment this game presents. When you list "very niche audience" as a con when that was the developers' intent, something is off. Also a few other points like the non-sortable inventory are the way they are for specific reasons that the reviewer obviously isn't keen on.

Originally posted by wyrdaskolir

Izure, its either going to be a niche fan or themeparker who reviews so either way "fanbots" or trolls will be angry. And how are we crying? Can you hear us over the internet?

He cannot be reasoned with so no use in trying. He however knows how to call everyone a child.

Why not just post some text saying that you disagree with his opinion instead of showing a lame picture trying to be humorous

Originally posted by fcazares

De ja vous. Once again DF gets a poor review. Once again DF die hards go bonkers and cry all over the place. Once again DF is found to be lame. ... If SO many people and reviewers give DF a poor score there is obviously something wrong with it.

Ya the 2 reviewers = SO MANY people and reviewers, why dont you go fail on your own time k?

Every review besides eurogamer or mmorpg(even some people on mmorpg reviews like it a lot) gave it a good score.

So where you your facts from must be because this site and eurogamer caters to carebear(themepark games)

while other sites like sandbox or judge themepark and sandbox as equal.

So this guy wrote a nice opinion I would of added the actual key elements of this game, and not left out 80% of the game that shines, sorry but this is a failed review.

Was this even post-expansion(big patch)?

Originally posted by Nevron

Some of the points are accurate but for the most part I see the review as biased with added inexperience to the environment this game presents. When you list "very niche audience" as a con when that was the developers' intent, something is off. Also a few other points like the non-sortable inventory are the way they are for specific reasons that the reviewer obviously isn't keen on.

This.

Originally posted by Izure

Was this even post-expansion(big patch)?

Dana had posted at www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/244178/page/6 that the review started pre-patch and continued post.

Izure has been playing for about 4 or 5 months now and so have I. We have both experienced almost every feature in the game. To see people derail Darkfall and talk about the wrong aspects is insulting if you are in my point of view. Especially with the randomly added words "fanbot" "failbot"