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Sometimes there is truth behind the smiley.  There is no IT department. LMAO

Why do I picture Gollum exploring dusty computers while saying " screenshots,,,, PRECIOUS"?

For the first time I believe a Khestral soundbite without question, guess he doesn't need a paycheck to post them either ... or does he?

Anyone else think it is rather ironic that the gallery is broken, and doesn't show the images he posted?

So... perhaps he DOES need an IT dept....

He probably wasn't supposed to post the screen shots so his boss ran in and deleted them and/or broke the gallery to prevent them from being seen.

My guess is that he knows he is going to be out of a job soon and he wanted there to be some halfway decent screenshots out there to prove that someone actually did some work on this game for when he has to start his job search. No doubt he was told not to post any screen shots of the game because they are keeping all information on the game under wraps as all game developers do when they have a dead game that is going nowhere (thus the reason why we have not seen any screen shots of Duke Nukem Forever recently). So after he posted them without premission someone else came along behind him and quietly sweeped the screen shots away.

It amazes me that there are so many suckers left that are willing to spit shine Khestral's boots over old ass screens presented as "new".

Yet people like yourself continue to slam a game you have no interest in? works both ways ;)

Originally posted by Zorvan

It amazes me that there are so many suckers left that are willing to spit shine Khestral's boots over old ass screens presented as "new".

You might want to read the thread first. Not all those screenshots are new. Then again you would know that if you read the thread.

Originally posted by Tylantia

Yet people like yourself continue to slam a game you have no interest in? works both ways ;)

Calm down there, he didn't slam SGW he was pointing out how lame the PR is. Let's pretend that CME is doing great with everyone getting a paycheck, no one laid off and everyone turning up and getting the game ready to launch. If so I find half a dozen screenies a month from last years Beta to be less than sub standard.

I used to slag off Aventurine and rip into Tasos on the forums at the first opportunity, but Khestral makes Tasos look like a class act! CME make Aventurine look like Gods! I and I'm sure Zorvan would love to play a decent SG MMORPG, but let's face it the company is s*** and SGW is no better than vapourware. If Darkfall was Vapourware then SGW is like a Vapourwares' fart.

Khestral is on those forums playing every fool that will believe him, half a dozen one year old screenies just doesn't cut it in the opinion of most non FanOri gamers. CME and Khestral should be slammed for it, I mean whilst managment were running a pyramid scheme (MMOGULs) in the same building and trying to sell it to employees at CME (Khestral included) Khestral and TKKsnow are blowing rainbow smoke up peoples butts saying it has nothing to do with CME! When all the time Tim Jenson was trying to rope them into MMOGULS! Now he produces half a dozen year old sub standard screenies and you think he shouldn't be slammed for it? All the time KAWWWOOOSSSHHHing his rainbow smoke up your butts by refusing to address issues like why no one is working at CME anymore, why there is no beta, why there is no money, ect.....

No one here is flaming the game SGW, they're flaming the snake oil salesmen like TKKsnow, Khestral and Kevin Balentine. I wanted to play SGW but I guess I'll have to settle for a real game like Darkfall, man life can be so ironic!

Originally posted by Tylantia

Yet people like yourself continue to slam a game you have no interest in? works both ways ;)

I'd love to play a Stargate MMO. CME just cant make one.

Originally posted by ariccaron

Originally posted by Tylantia

Yet people like yourself continue to slam a game you have no interest in? works both ways ;)

I'd love to play a Stargate MMO. CME just cant make one.

I'd never play one published by these crooks and liar. My problem is not with the developers. It's with the management and current community manager.

Originally posted by Tylantia

Yet people like yourself continue to slam a game you have no interest in? works both ways ;)

You say that like we should be out slamming games we have a huge amount of interest in. That would make a whole ton of sense wouldn't it?

Look at it this way. If I move in next door to you, tear down the house located there now and put up a giant billboard that says "everyone sucks but me" are you just going to stand there and let me do it because you aren't "interested" in it? Of course you aren't! You are going to speak out aginst the fact that I'm doing something offensive that is harmful to your neighborhood.

People dislike this game and "slam" Stargate Worlds for the same reason. The game is a perferct example of how NOT to run an MMORPG. Someday it will be remembered as one of the greatest disasters of the entire industry, alongside stinkers like Dark and Light and Shadowbane.

Originally posted by Agricola1

For the first time I believe a Khestral soundbite without question, guess he doesn't need a paycheck to post them either ... or does he?

I normally dont post on CME/SGW stuff but I felt that I should chime in on this.  Doug aka Khestral is probably the most honest and honorable person I have had the opportunity to call a friend.  In the two years that I worked at CME he has always been a positive and dedicated leader there.  Doug always means what he says and doesn't pull punches.  And no he doesn't need a paycheck to be all these things its who he is.  The people who are left at CME are dedicated to the project and to the game.  The one thing you can believe as Long as people like Doug or Conan are still there SGW is still moving forward.

Originally posted by Merxion

Originally posted by Agricola1

For the first time I believe a Khestral soundbite without question, guess he doesn't need a paycheck to post them either ... or does he?

I normally dont post on CME/SGW stuff but I felt that I should chime in on this.  Doug aka Khestral is probably the most honest and honorable person I have had the opportunity to call a friend.  In the two years that I worked at CME he has always been a positive and dedicated leader there.  Doug always means what he says and doesn't pull punches.  And no he doesn't need a paycheck to be all these things its who he is.  The people who are left at CME are dedicated to the project and to the game.  The one thing you can believe as Long as people like Doug or Conan are still there SGW is still moving forward.

I appreciate your loyalty to a friend and he maybe very honest with you, however with the SGW community the guy is a flat out liar. He was being offered an MMOGULs membership from his boss whilst denying it had anything to do with CME on the forums! He goes into work and he sees how few people there are, no managment of any sort and no real work being done yet he tells forum goers otherwise. A Developers wife posts the facts, not breaking the RoC in any form but gets banned. He makes promises he can't keep on a regular basis and has antagonised the community more than once laughing at the misery of fans.

I'm sure if I knew him personally he'd be a decent guy, but I don't and probably never will. I only know the person posting on the forums that has told blatant lies, dropped the ball time and again and poked fun at fans waiting for more information than half a dozen year old screenies and "It'll be done when it's done". That is the issue.

Heath,

Nobody is slamming Doug the man, they are questioning how he is doing his job. When CME was losing employees like fleas jumping off a dog, he pretended everything was great at CME (look here's screen shots from 6 months ago!). There was no reason to cultivate the community when things were in such flux behind the forums.

Upper management has lied to the CME employees about MMOGULS, first about how it had nothing to do with CME, then everyone found out their paychecks were tied to the performance of MMOGULS. How can you continue to work for liars? All you are doing now is helping facilitate Gary steal more money from people, you are not really doing anything now that will get the game to market.

While I am certain he believed his intentions were good, he mislead the community and they are not so forgiving.
 

He hasn't pretended or lied once. Please state the sources to prove me wrong however.

As for the topic as a whole, going over and over and over (yes I'm looking at you agri) while stating its to "speak out" is going to do nothing as far as the game situation is. It does however boost ones e-peen as far as I'm seeing....

Originally posted by Kyriesunset

 How can you continue to work for liars? All you are doing now is helping facilitate Gary steal more money from people, you are not really doing anything now that will get the game to market.

I can actually answer this from my personal perspective.  Funny one day you wake up and you have a software engineering degree and 15 years working in the information systems field 10+ as a manager or director.  One day your buddy says hey man you know how we always joked about working at a MMO company?  Next thing I know I take a pay cut and goto work as one of the IT guys at CME.  Year later things starts falling a part a bunch of people leave.  I get the opportunity to actually work on the game.  Man I was so stoked.  Again this was my lifes dream.  You know what over the last year I learned more about software engineering then 4 years in school.  There are other people there with similar stories.   But there are also people who are industry veterans that really sunk their hearts into this game.  All Games have behind the scenes drama stuff you never see as a player.  Alot of the newer/younger crew just want to get a shipped title and really feel they can get it done.  So when you ask how can you work fore liars I guess my answer to you might sound shallow but, I worked for as long as I could financially afford to not get paid because it was my dream to work in the MMO Industry.  I love the MMO genre i have played just about every pay and f2p mmo out there.  The reality of the situation hit savings finally hit 0 after about 8 payrolls with no pay.  And I made the decision to seek other employment.  Sadly I had to give up.  Honestly if I had another 3 months of pay stocked up I would still be there right now working on the game.   You'll see people like Bob what's his name saying the things he says.  Some of its true some of it isn't I wont argue that.  But when he says the code monkeys that are left cant code its a lie.  I could go on and on.  But if I could convey one thing these guys could get it done I truely believe that.  Mistakes have been made but the game is so  much fun its hard to explain what its like.  

As far as not doing anything that will ge tthe game to market.  Maybe your right maybe your wrong.  I know I was still fixing SGW bugs and adding action/condition code to the system up to when I left.  That moves the product closer to ship.  We could tit for tat all day :).  The people that are left I have so much respect and empathy for their situation.

SGW Team you guys hang tuff until you cant anymore love ya guys

Heath

Originally posted by Tylantia

He hasn't pretended or lied once. Please state the sources to prove me wrong however.

 

As for the topic as a whole, going over and over and over (yes I'm looking at you agri) while stating its to "speak out" is going to do nothing as far as the game situation is. It does however boost ones e-peen as far as I'm seeing....

Well let's be frank, you are a FanOri that believes this game is going to make launch and everything is fine and they're having a media blackout so that they can get some real hard work in. Oh and you believe they're all being paid and that MMOGULs has nothing to do with CME.

Now onto the facts about Khestral, do you remember this thread? click

I couldn't find his original thread promising pics every two weeks (deleted?)

Khestral: "We have been posting screens of the game every two weeks for a bit now" dated June. A lie.

Khestral: "Truth be told we would rather send out quality and not quantity when it comes to shots... we don't want to send out random shot 01 that will not answer questions." Another lie.
 

Khestral: "Even with all the folks looking under every rock I still say this is the best gaming community I have ever worked with in all my years, and for that I thank you" now this is just crazy talk!

Khestral: "I am having a list made to give directly to the prod/dev groups" How does he give it to them directly since they no longer work there?

That's from one thread.

Truth be told I've seen more and better work done on the new sig he has each time he posts, we know about no one getting paid for four months now. I reckon Khestral is one of the few getting paid, unless he can pay his utility bills with enthusiasm for a lost cause and his rent with bull****. If he is working for free then it's for a con man that's using the SG name to run a pyramid scheme and prey upon the poor and desperate during these hard times. Do you realize this? Or do you just choose to pretend it isn't happening?

Concerning the post about all the great people working for free that are progressing game development. You said yourself you knew nothing about actually working on an MMORPG until all the people of consequence left due to not being paid and you were allowed to get your hands on it. To my knowledge no MMORPG company got a game to launch by this method, Even McQuaid kept up with payroll right until the end! This game won't reach launch unless someone is paid to make it, that's a fact. A bunch of guys learning as they go on someone elses work are doing more harm than good, even if they don't know it.

A company that defaults on the payroll for an entire quarter (4 months now) isn't legit, FACT! FanOri or not it's a fact and CME are no longer legit. Also ask Khestral what he knows about MMOGULs, if he's such an up front an honest friend he'll let you know how he was pitched the idea by Tim Jenson a while back ... but keep it a secret!

Originally posted by Merxion

Originally posted by Kyriesunset

 How can you continue to work for liars? All you are doing now is helping facilitate Gary steal more money from people, you are not really doing anything now that will get the game to market.

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It's very easy for me to judge because I am not in this situation, but I don't see how I could ever rationalize helping a dishonest man work a scheme just because it allowed me to work on my life's dream. At what point did you know that MMOGULS was connected to SGW?

I'll back Merxion on the semantics about lying. When CME issues a public statement that it has not contractual agreement with MMOGULS, that is likely true. It neglects to mention the inherent connections between the two entities and the known attempt to profit from them. It technically isn't lying, but it sure as hell is dishonest. I for one don't think SG fans deserve this.

lets face reality. If they can't make payroll, there is no way they can pay for servers and a retail release.

Agricola1,

What if tomorrow a movie star investor puts 50 million more into the game?   Is it still not legit?   What if they reprogram it from zero? What if God programs it himself?  You make some pretty big statements.  I do think success is a steep hill for CME.  Regardless of the failure of CME, can't you attempt a small amount of consideration to the other side?   You make statements that are really not totally, absolutely true.   Perhaps a miracle could happen(?)  Ok, maybe not, but.......hey, why not hope?  I like a lot of your thoughts....but, through the other side a bone a little more often.   You sound like a FanOri of the Anit-FanOri. 

Originally posted by Merxion

I can actually answer this from my personal perspective.  Funny one day you wake up and you have a software engineering degree and 15 years working in the information systems field 10+ as a manager or director.  One day your buddy says hey man you know how we always joked about working at a MMO company?  Next thing I know I take a pay cut and goto work as one of the IT guys at CME.  Year later things starts falling a part a bunch of people leave.  I get the opportunity to actually work on the game.  Man I was so stoked.  Again this was my lifes dream.  You know what over the last year I learned more about software engineering then 4 years in school.  There are other people there with similar stories.   But there are also people who are industry veterans that really sunk their hearts into this game.  All Games have behind the scenes drama stuff you never see as a player.  Alot of the newer/younger crew just want to get a shipped title and really feel they can get it done.  So when you ask how can you work fore liars I guess my answer to you might sound shallow but, I worked for as long as I could financially afford to not get paid because it was my dream to work in the MMO Industry.  I love the MMO genre i have played just about every pay and f2p mmo out there.  The reality of the situation hit savings finally hit 0 after about 8 payrolls with no pay.  And I made the decision to seek other employment.  Sadly I had to give up.  Honestly if I had another 3 months of pay stocked up I would still be there right now working on the game.   You'll see people like Bob what's his name saying the things he says.  Some of its true some of it isn't I wont argue that.  But when he says the code monkeys that are left cant code its a lie.  I could go on and on.  But if I could convey one thing these guys could get it done I truely believe that.  Mistakes have been made but the game is so  much fun its hard to explain what its like.  

As far as not doing anything that will ge tthe game to market.  Maybe your right maybe your wrong.  I know I was still fixing SGW bugs and adding action/condition code to the system up to when I left.  That moves the product closer to ship.  We could tit for tat all day :).  The people that are left I have so much respect and empathy for their situation.

SGW Team you guys hang tuff until you cant anymore love ya guys 

Heath

Is this what they call cult mentality?  I just cannot think of any reason to work for a dishonest bunch of people, despite it being a lifelong dream.  How do you wake up and look yourself in the mirror?  Was the hope of getting significant cash bonus or stock off a game worth your values and morals?  

Looked you up on linked in and according to your duties, you: “Direct and oversee operations in Outsourcing, Audio Production, Quality Assurance and Information Systems”   Are you feeling guilty for directing Khestrel in getting the community eager and encouraged that the game was actually ‘in production’ and coming out during the past 4 months?  Is that why you are here? 

Do not even try to pull the BS about how you thought they would get investors.  Gary has been attempting to raise additional funds for nearly a year with little success (except for MMOGULS). Y ou cannot be that naive.   Plus, even if you did get your 8 Million, there is nobody left to make the game.     Reminds me of the underware gnome episode from Southpark;

Phase 1:  Collect Underpants
Phase 2:  ?
Phase 3:  Profit! 

Finally, I wanted to comment on your statement about “fixing bugs”. Maybe if there were enough people left working on the game to move it forward, it was running on a external server with thousands of accounts logged in – now that’s bug fixing. You are all just playing around in an office, while awaiting eviction.   
 

Originally posted by Merxion

Originally posted by Kyriesunset

 How can you continue to work for liars? All you are doing now is helping facilitate Gary steal more money from people, you are not really doing anything now that will get the game to market.

I can actually answer this from my personal perspective.  Funny one day you wake up and you have a software engineering degree and 15 years working in the information systems field 10+ as a manager or director.  One day your buddy says hey man you know how we always joked about working at a MMO company?  Next thing I know I take a pay cut and goto work as one of the IT guys at CME.  Year later things starts falling a part a bunch of people leave.  I get the opportunity to actually work on the game.  Man I was so stoked.  Again this was my lifes dream.  You know what over the last year I learned more about software engineering then 4 years in school.  There are other people there with similar stories.   But there are also people who are industry veterans that really sunk their hearts into this game.  All Games have behind the scenes drama stuff you never see as a player.  Alot of the newer/younger crew just want to get a shipped title and really feel they can get it done.  So when you ask how can you work fore liars I guess my answer to you might sound shallow but, I worked for as long as I could financially afford to not get paid because it was my dream to work in the MMO Industry.  I love the MMO genre i have played just about every pay and f2p mmo out there.  The reality of the situation hit savings finally hit 0 after about 8 payrolls with no pay.  And I made the decision to seek other employment.  Sadly I had to give up.  Honestly if I had another 3 months of pay stocked up I would still be there right now working on the game.   You'll see people like Bob what's his name saying the things he says.  Some of its true some of it isn't I wont argue that.  But when he says the code monkeys that are left cant code its a lie.  I could go on and on.  But if I could convey one thing these guys could get it done I truely believe that.  Mistakes have been made but the game is so  much fun its hard to explain what its like.  

As far as not doing anything that will ge tthe game to market.  Maybe your right maybe your wrong.  I know I was still fixing SGW bugs and adding action/condition code to the system up to when I left.  That moves the product closer to ship.  We could tit for tat all day :).  The people that are left I have so much respect and empathy for their situation.

SGW Team you guys hang tuff until you cant anymore love ya guys

 

Heath

Is this what you're planning to put on your resume when you try to apply to a real mmo company?

Originally posted by orthotdh

Agricola1,

What if tomorrow a movie star investor puts 50 million more into the game?   Is it still not legit?   What if they reprogram it from zero? What if God programs it himself?  You make some pretty big statements.  I do think success is a steep hill for CME.  Regardless of the failure of CME, can't you attempt a small amount of consideration to the other side?   You make statements that are really not totally, absolutely true.   Perhaps a miracle could happen(?)  Ok, maybe not, but.......hey, why not hope?  I like a lot of your thoughts....but, through the other side a bone a little more often.   You sound like a FanOri of the Anit-FanOri. 

You're right someone with more money than sense could pony up $50 million, but that wouldn't make the company legit. Why you ask? Because if Bill Gates had bailed out Enron it wouldn't have made it a legitamite stable business, they'd have kept on going the same way and eventually it would have imploded at some point. Even with $50 mil and re programming from zero, a minimum of $8 mil goes to paying for the first attempt so you're left with $42 mil now and a plethora of cash sink studios sucking it dry and no one with any real talent would want to work for them due to the terrible reputation as an employer.

I don't think I made any unreasonable statements at all, they're flat broke after flushing $50 million of investors money down the toilet. The CEO owes atleast 4 months of unpaid wages to his staff, he's running a pyramid scheme which is collapsing due to the fact he embezzeled money from it. He's being sued from ex business partners to server providers to landlords for unpaid debts and is now attempting to hide his cash by doing a shady and "convenient" divorce with his wife.

So unless Michael Jackson left Gary Whiting $50 million in his will I don't see how anyone in their right mind would invest in this train wreck, do you?

I make untrue statements? Please point them out and post links to prove it. Everything I've said has been backed up with hard evidence on these forums, just spend a little time looking through threads here and look at this click. If you doubt anything I've posted be specific, I find it interesting all those that doubt me have never been able to post any actual links to anything other than quotes from TKKsnow. A guy that has never even even stepped foot inside the CME offices nor is paid for what he does. I suspect you are another one of those fellows that is convinced blind faith = evidence? If not prove me wrong.

I threw the other side a bone last year when the first round of rumours about unpaid wages happened. I saw no real evidence just a site counting the days, CME denied it was true so I took their word for it. Rumours of a pyramid scheme flared up later, CME denied it so I took their word for it. However rumours persisted and people being let go talked, I did a little digging and discovered I had been lied to. CME had been playing every fan like a bitch, and are still doing it now. Whiting has been playing his employees like a bunch of bitches working in a soccer ball factory in Pakistan. Who exactly am I supposed to give a break? I'm just one guy posting on an internet forum anyway, I couldn't do any damage to prevent SGW being made. I want SGW to reach launch but CME aren't going to be the ones to do it, and everything I've said about them is what they've done to themselves, just because they refuse to comment or deny it doesn't make a difference!

A FanOri of the anti - FanOri? I think on the official forums that's a naysayer, personally I like to call myself a realist. Which means I don't see the glass as either half full or half empty, I just want to know if it's enough to satisfy my thirst or not.

Just incase you didn't know every employee of CME got an email from managment a long time ago selling them an MMOGULS platinum membership. So they all knew about it long ago before TKKsnow posted the denail, but to be fair to TKKsnow he's not an employee so he wouldn't have known anymore than the average poster he was lying to for Gary Whiting. However Khestral knew all to well what the real deal was, but he's still working there and picking up his paycheck.

Originally posted by Kyriesunset

Is this what they call cult mentality?  I just cannot think of any reason to work for a dishonest bunch of people, despite it being a lifelong dream.  How do you wake up and look yourself in the mirror?  Was the hope of getting significant cash bonus or stock off a game worth your values and morals?  

Looked you up on linked in and according to your duties, you: “Direct and oversee operations in Outsourcing, Audio Production, Quality Assurance and Information Systems”   Are you feeling guilty for directing Khestrel in getting the community eager and encouraged that the game was actually ‘in production’ and coming out during the past 4 months?  Is that why you are here? 

Do not even try to pull the BS about how you thought they would get investors.  Gary has been attempting to raise additional funds for nearly a year with little success (except for MMOGULS). Y ou cannot be that naive.   Plus, even if you did get your 8 Million, there is nobody left to make the game.     Reminds me of the underware gnome episode from Southpark;

Phase 1:  Collect Underpants
Phase 2:  ?
Phase 3:  Profit! 

Finally, I wanted to comment on your statement about “fixing bugs”. Maybe if there were enough people left working on the game to move it forward, it was running on a external server with thousands of accounts logged in – now that’s bug fixing. You are all just playing around in an office, while awaiting eviction.   
 

I think this is an exceptionally needless harsh post. Heath posted his honest experiences and offered his perspective, and you're attacking his post as if it was Gary Whiting posting.

Go back a year or two, and look at how they talk about the whole iSNAP idea. It's just described as combining social networks with games. Why would someone who has just landed their dream job suspect that there was an MLM behind it? It's pretty obvious that if any part in MMOGULS was offered to CME employees, it was because money had been misappropriated and it was as an alternative to being paid. Aside from this interaction, and the fact that GW owns both, there is no reason to douse everyone at CME with the MMOGULS schtick. Only upper management ever spoke about it, and not even all of them. A fantastic original idea was turned into a pyramid scheme by GW, and only the Joe Ybarras and Tim Jensons at CME know whether that was the plan all along.

So why would Heath have considered himself as 'working for dishonest people' during his time at CME? Why should he feel guilty for sins committed by higher-ups who he quite possibly never personally met, and was certainly not underneath day to day?

Production [i]is[/i] still going at CME, there are several people working on SGW right now as you well know. Once we pass doomsday #xyz and realise they're still going (though this is doubtful, I am sure that despite the fact nothing will have changed we'll have to listen to 'CME is dead but not telling us yet' instead of 'noone is working on the game'), the relationship between CME and MGM is perfectly fine, it's the relationship between MGM/CME and Gary Whiting that is of concern.

CME is aggressively searching for investors and expect to be in good stead within a month. That they would assert this suggests that deals are close to finalisation. [b][u]CME[/u][/b] is getting this money, not MMOGULS. If this investment is misappropriated I'll jump right in your ship and start firing cannons at the sinking ship, but it's my belief that given how the last 2 years have played out, this is the last chance, MMOGULS is a failure, and the money will go the right way. It's the only way anyone will make a profit.

And pray tell me, why should Khestral not be positive and do his best (with what little he has) to keep the community positive? Is it dishonest to say that though times are hard, people are working on the game? Just because some screenshots are old, that does not constitute dishonesty. They are new in regards to being new to the community they're being shown to. And just because the photos show areas/things you may have seen in beta, that doesn't mean they were taken during beta. If those were the live areas during beta then it's just as likely that those were also areas being worked on this year, you know, fixing bugs from beta. And the quality has increased vastly with the last few shots shown.

Feel free to inanely construe this post as 'FanOri' or some other stupid term, but actually I am just looking at the situation realistically as it is without attacking everyone who is being positive. I'm not blind to the problems CME has/has had. I'm not blind to the departures or what MMOGULS is. I have looked into company records, I have emailed just about everyone involved on every side of the equation. You make alot of good points but you misdirect your criticisms and on the whole, you let certain factors rule your opinion of the whole, when you have to consider a whole lot to get the whole picture. Criticise the Gary Whitings all you want but dont tell me a guy deserves to have you defecate on his heartfelt words and be labelled as a bad person for getting a job he loved so much he went to work for free 8 weeks in a row.

/longtime lurker
 

Jstrike, what you posted is a load of blogone. Isnap was pitched 2006/7, by mid 2008 it had become MMOGULs. Staff went without pay before Christmass and were left struggling, employees had already been offered MMOGULs memberships. So before this year everyone working at CME knew 100% that MMOGULs was involved with CME, I mean they had offices one floor above CME FFS!

I'm not tarring all CME employees with the same brush nor is Kyrie, but those that are working there now have some questionable moral values for sure. They've known since last year that their boss is trying to scam gamers with a pyramid scheme using investors money meant for the game to set it up. They know that their colleagues haven't been paid for atleast 4 months, but because they want to work on an MMORPG they ignore it because they wouldn't have the opportunity to do what they're doing at a legit company.

Several people working on SGW? You're right, but even Aventurine had more than that working on Darkfall. I take several to mean about seven, all unpaid with no money coming in to the studio.

CME (AKA Gary "MMOGULs" Whiting) has been searching for investment aggresively for a whole year now, he may as well be searching for the Lochness monster. It's an economic depression and his company has a reputation worse than SOE,Sigil and Aventurine combined X1,000,000. No one with an ounce of sanity would give him a dime, fact!

Read back about Khestrals dishonesty, he also suffers from an extreme lack of honesty when it comes to answering difficult questions. Why shouldn't he positive? I see no reason not to be positive when you're the effective head of the company most days and the only one in the office recieving a paycheck, in fact he has quite alot to be positive about!

"Criticise the Gary Whitings all you want but dont tell me a guy deserves to have you defecate on his heartfelt words and be labelled as a bad person for getting a job he loved so much he went to work for free 8 weeks in a row."
 

Well maybe Gary Whiting is being labeled a bad person for doing a job he loves? Does he deserve to be defecated on? What do you think? I doubt Khestral has gone without pay, but a guy that works 8 weeks in a row for no pay is called a sucker where I come from and I see no reason he should be given kudos for that.

You're just trying to pretend that the pyramid scheme, court cases and missed payroll for four months is a mere hiccup and it'll be alright soon. Yet I see no evidence to confirm that theory, all I know is that companies in this position go tits up more often than not. Khestral has known about MMOGULs for a longtime, but you seem to believe it's OK because he hasn't mentioned it to anyone. Kind of like the concentration camp guards trying to tell the judge that they had no idea what was going on, they just watched the gates and kept the oven stoked!

In fact I see a placard hanging over the doorway into the CME lobby it reads "Arbeit macht frei", and gets you a free lunch!