Would you eat a rotten sandwich just because it's free?

Didn't think so.  F2P mmos are a shadow of subscription based games.  EVERY F2P game I've tried has been utter crap.

For the same reason I don't like collectible card games. Any game where you can pay to have an advantage isn't really a game.

A game is about how you play, not how much you pay.

Originally posted by Thradar

 Would you eat a rotten sandwich just because it's free?

Didn't think so.  F2P mmos are a shadow of subscription based games.  EVERY F2P game I've tried has been utter crap.

I'm sure these days there are many who could say the same about the slew of P2P games out now. If they truely were "crap" they would be shutting down left and right due to lack of player base.

Originally posted by Thradar

 Would you eat a rotten sandwich just because it's free?

Didn't think so.  F2P mmos are a shadow of subscription based games.  EVERY F2P game I've tried has been utter crap.

This is yet another myth that the people who despise F2P games believe. F2P MMOs are successful. Nexon, Aeria Games, IGG, K2 Networks... there's a reason why companies like EA and SOE are starting to explore the business model those companies have been using for years.

Q: why people despise Free2Play?

A: Every single Free to Play MMO I've ever tried are just so low quality in every way, that I just rather pay for a better gaming experience. Usually that means better graphics, better sounds, less "cool" kids etc. I'll gladly support something like that.

If they'd actually make a free MMO that's not totally garbage, I guess I would play that too. I'll sure as hell join DDO once it goes free.

 Am I one of the only ones that truly enjoyed a F2P game better than a P2P? I truly have enjoyed F2Ps wayy more than any P2P, and I didn't have to pay a single cent for them. Well I take that back, I spent loads on them. They're fun as long as you have money :P

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by LordDmaster

For most of you that think that F2P means "Free".

You are setting at a computer telling another computer everything it needs to know to ajust the Damage vs Payout.

 

You make my brain hurt. :) 

 

Thanks that was funny :)

Sorry I was trying to keep it short.

"why people despise Free2Play?"

Quite simple. They are overly concerned about how others play entertainment products and some how seem to think you can "Win" a MMO. Instead of just having fun themselves, they would rather be upset about how someone else spends there time. That, and they are too shallow minded to understand that not all F2P games allow you to buy "Uber item #1265G".

There is no other reason.

if you dont pay you dont compete at the same level.

if i didnt want to compte against other players, i would play single player games. I want to compete with and against other people.   At a flat rate everyone is garunteed a fair shot.  In F2P if i dont spend money i always have some form of disadvantage. My real life wallet changes my level of enjoyment in my entertainment. 

I dont care if people say im shallow, or that you shouldnt compare yourself to someone else. Its human nature to test, to see who is better, who is faster, who has learned quicker.     Once someone can just plop a 50 down it takes out anything that resembles an even playing field.

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by Thradar

 Would you eat a rotten sandwich just because it's free?

Didn't think so.  F2P mmos are a shadow of subscription based games.  EVERY F2P game I've tried has been utter crap.

 

This is yet another myth that the people who despise F2P games believe. F2P MMOs are successful. Nexon, Aeria Games, IGG, K2 Networks... there's a reason why companies like EA and SOE are starting to explore the business model those companies have been using for years.

 

 

You said it. "F2P MMOs are successful.","there's a reason why companies like EA and SOE are starting to explore the business model those companies have been using for years"
 

More people with lower standareds are playing MMOs. Low cost games being produced. More 3rd world players with low incomes. More kids with Moms and Dads credit cards and to much time on there hands. More home computers. O and more people beleaving that Free means Free. All of this adds upto more $ to devs.

Originally posted by LordDmaster

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by Thradar

 Would you eat a rotten sandwich just because it's free?

Didn't think so.  F2P mmos are a shadow of subscription based games.  EVERY F2P game I've tried has been utter crap.

 

This is yet another myth that the people who despise F2P games believe. F2P MMOs are successful. Nexon, Aeria Games, IGG, K2 Networks... there's a reason why companies like EA and SOE are starting to explore the business model those companies have been using for years.

 

 

You said it. "F2P MMOs are successful.","there's a reason why companies like EA and SOE are starting to explore the business model those companies have been using for years"
 

More people with lower standareds are playing MMOs. Low cost games being produced. More 3rd world players with low incomes. More kids with Moms and Dads credit cards and to much time on there hands. More home computers. O and more people beleaving that Free means Free. All of this adds upto more $ to devs.

The success of F2P MMOs are based on a different kind of player that is entering the MMO mainstream. It doesn't mean P2P games for those that care about not spending more than a fixed monthly fee are getting killed, they will remain the same, in fact, most of the upcoming releases we are hyped about are subscription based. And the only reason we debate F2P MMOs are because of asian games, those that originally started the thing on MMOs, flooding our market. F2P Western MMOs (with 3D graphics)? All have been P2P failures that switch into F2P in the hopes of getting more players.

Originally posted by Josher

DO people who keep making these "PLAY F2P..." threads get paid by these companies to do so?  Why else would people go out of their way to defend them unless they're profiting off of them, since thats what F2P is all about?  Think about it=)  Its all a part of the game.  The more people you can sucker into playing them, the most stuff you can sell to them.  BRILLIANT!!!

do you mean your getting paid to support p2p game josh ?

Originally posted by Pinkerl

why people despise Free2Play?

 

to me its not different from monthly. free2play cashshpop to win right? well monthly  is buy ingame currency  to win. either way it is currupted on both model. im kindda laylow on mmo now. i mostly play psn and waiting for ff14 see how it do in ps3. hopfully console is less curruption.

 

 

so since both model is no difference.... runes of magic is pretty good.

I don't think that post leaves room for discussion.

If that's your opinion, nothing I could post here about why I dislike RMT games  will really be understandable to you.

If you like RMT games and P2P games, that's fine. I'll only play P2P games, but won't waste time here trying to explain it to you, since from the OP it seems you're not really interested in the answert.

people despise F2P because it isn't free to play

Originally posted by Thradar

 Would you eat a rotten sandwich just because it's free?

Didn't think so.  F2P mmos are a shadow of subscription based games.  EVERY F2P game I've tried has been utter crap.

 

This is yet another myth that the people who despise F2P games believe. F2P MMOs are successful. Nexon, Aeria Games, IGG, K2 Networks... there's a reason why companies like EA and SOE are starting to explore the business model those companies have been using for years.

 

 

You said it. "F2P MMOs are successful.","there's a reason why companies like EA and SOE are starting to explore the business model those companies have been using for years"
 

More people with lower standareds are playing MMOs. Low cost games being produced. More 3rd world players with low incomes. More kids with Moms and Dads credit cards and to much time on there hands. More home computers. O and more people beleaving that Free means Free. All of this adds upto more $ to devs.

 

Getting more players in a F2P game does not mean more money..Matter afact they are losing money..Here's why..You take 100 players..Only 30% will buy from the Item Mall..In which the Item mall is over priced..So that means 30% are also paying for the 70% who dont pay..Now as for P2P..The Revenue is 100% with all the 100 players paying..(Note: Not the true facts but a educated one.)

So now  they say this is a Free game.Is this game really Free? Let say no one pays for the item mall.How long will it take for a Free Game to keep running? I would say not long.How many Free to play games jump from one company to the next?I seen a few that have..How many Free Games that been tweaked like hell to push you for the Item mall? I say ALL..Anyone played Silkroad can tell you that they switch to a Auto Log in.To get away from that you need to buy a ticket that last 4 weeks.Then your problem of logging in.You don't have to wait 15 minutes to over a hour to get in..

The Free to play games most of them come from either China or Korean and are half ass made or been in beta for longer than normal for a game.One thing that makes me laugh is that they get the Item mall up and running with no problem.But as for the game it self..Poor translation and the game been in beta for years.(Unfinished Product).As everyone knows.. Allot  of Free to play game really sucks and are over priced with item mall, with that a unfinished product to boot.So i will ask what everyone else been asking...

Is there a good free to play MMO out there?

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 I will make it simple for you why I never will play a free to play game unless they come up with a different method for income. The current income model is items for sale in an item shop.

Video games are about playing a character to obtain levels, items, boss kills etc etc. In short video games are about playing the game. I will not ever play a game where items can be bought in game. I don't care what type of item it is, they should be obtained in game for me to call the game a game. Buying items in a game isn't what I call fun. 

I will play a free to play game IF they used a different model. I would play free to play if they sold mini expansion packs every month or some other time period. I would play a free to play game if they had advertisments pasted all over the log in screen and zone load screens. I would play a free to play game if they sold out of game merchandise (keyboards, mice, toys, guides, maps etc).

Once an item shop is put in though I am through with even thinking about the game. The new game coming out "Champions Online", once they mentioned "cryptic bucks" I no longer even look at that game, just as I don't bother to think about playing Everquest, Everquest 2, nor any other game that puts an item shop in.

Well, I don't despise it but I won't play it.  The reason for me is just that even though the games are 'free to play' they geared to get money from you in a lot of other little ways and while thats not a big deal itself, I just don't want to have to be thinking about real world finances when playing a game. I prefer to pay a fee and never have to think about real money again when I play. Thats just me tho.

Originally posted by drbaltazar

Originally posted by Josher

DO people who keep making these "PLAY F2P..." threads get paid by these companies to do so?  Why else would people go out of their way to defend them unless they're profiting off of them, since thats what F2P is all about?  Think about it=)  Its all a part of the game.  The more people you can sucker into playing them, the most stuff you can sell to them.  BRILLIANT!!!

do you mean your getting paid to support p2p game josh ?

No, but I can see players getting paid to spam forums about how F2P games are just free and just as good as P2P, when its clear they're in a different league.  Bait and switch.  "Play our free game.  Really its free.  You never have to pay a dime to advance or have fun."   Contrary to the facts, you still see people saying how you can play for free, when its an outright lie.  Its free to log-in and grind 10000000 gerbils.  Thats about it.  Ya, fun game.

Originally posted by drbaltazar

Originally posted by Josher

DO people who keep making these "PLAY F2P..." threads get paid by these companies to do so?  Why else would people go out of their way to defend them unless they're profiting off of them, since thats what F2P is all about?  Think about it=)  Its all a part of the game.  The more people you can sucker into playing them, the most stuff you can sell to them.  BRILLIANT!!!

do you mean your getting paid to support p2p game josh ?

hm my personal impression is:

1. there is a large base of "asian" game supporters here who fight for whatever microtransaction crap comes along
2. i do not think any reasonable person does this for nothing  :)
3. there is a tight competition in the microtransaction game market, it is tough to follow all the realeases which spam the mmorpg market. so evey new release tries to get their "supporter" in generating cash for their companies
4. many former p2p games went microtransaction for the one and only reasothat they were a financial desater not beeing able to survive in the p2p market, remember crap like DnL and other bullshit that wennt microtransaction because of bankrupt companies.!
5. such game ar an easy way for companies to deliver unfinished products and let the customers pay for everything that should have been included in a properly designed game
6. it looks also an easy way to milk every dime out of the customers as everything "special" has to be payed in cash. they think its easy to get more out of the customers for less value!

I don't despise them - visually a lot of them are very cool to look at and a lot of the P2P games aren't any better - it's just I can't see how the F2P model is ever likely to create the sort of game I'd like. The ideal item shop game would be one that succesfully focuses on the psychological addictions these games can create and then successfully milks that addiction. P2Ps aren't much different in some ways except the psychological addiction in the past was always an accidental side effect rather than the core purpose. P2Ps seem to be moving in the same direction however so i don't think the distinction will last long.

The only game i could imagine being hooked on which had a F2P element would be a P2P game that had a F2P element for a specific purpose i.e the free players were there to provide extra entertainment for the paying customers. Examples might be free players playing monsters or a Planetside type game where the paying players had all levelled up to tanks and planes and mechs etc and there wasn't enough grunts so free players could play up to level 10 to provide the infantry - something like that.

In a nutshell I think the bast way to make money from item shops leads to game designs that don't appeal to me i.e linear grinds or games that end in PvP with combat advantages bought at the item shop. I can just imagine how friendly that would be.

I do like trying them out for a few days just to look at the scenary and the sexy elf chick armor pixels. If I was thirteen again that would probably keep me playing on it's own, but not nowadays :)

Originally posted by thanith

Originally posted by drbaltazar

Originally posted by Josher

DO people who keep making these "PLAY F2P..." threads get paid by these companies to do so?  Why else would people go out of their way to defend them unless they're profiting off of them, since thats what F2P is all about?  Think about it=)  Its all a part of the game.  The more people you can sucker into playing them, the most stuff you can sell to them.  BRILLIANT!!!

do you mean your getting paid to support p2p game josh ?

 

hm my personal impression is:

1. there is a large base of "asian" game supporters here who fight for whatever microtransaction crap comes along
2. i do not think any reasonable person does this for nothing  :)
3. there is a tight competition in the microtransaction game market, it is tough to follow all the realeases which spam the mmorpg market. so evey new release tries to get their "supporter" in generating cash for their companies
4. many former p2p games went microtransaction for the one and only reasothat they were a financial desater not beeing able to survive in the p2p market, remember crap like DnL and other bullshit that wennt microtransaction because of bankrupt companies.!
5. such game ar an easy way for companies to deliver unfinished products and let the customers pay for everything that should have been included in a properly designed game
6. it looks also an easy way to milk every dime out of the customers as everything "special" has to be payed in cash. they think its easy to get more out of the customers for less value!

 

Thanks for spelling it out since some people can't read between the lines=)

Originally posted by thanith

Originally posted by drbaltazar

Originally posted by Josher

DO people who keep making these "PLAY F2P..." threads get paid by these companies to do so?  Why else would people go out of their way to defend them unless they're profiting off of them, since thats what F2P is all about?  Think about it=)  Its all a part of the game.  The more people you can sucker into playing them, the most stuff you can sell to them.  BRILLIANT!!!

do you mean your getting paid to support p2p game josh ?

 

hm my personal impression is:

1. there is a large base of "asian" game supporters here who fight for whatever microtransaction crap comes along
2. i do not think any reasonable person does this for nothing  :)
3. there is a tight competition in the microtransaction game market, it is tough to follow all the realeases which spam the mmorpg market. so evey new release tries to get their "supporter" in generating cash for their companies
4. many former p2p games went microtransaction for the one and only reasothat they were a financial desater not beeing able to survive in the p2p market, remember crap like DnL and other bullshit that wennt microtransaction because of bankrupt companies.!
5. such game ar an easy way for companies to deliver unfinished products and let the customers pay for everything that should have been included in a properly designed game
6. it looks also an easy way to milk every dime out of the customers as everything "special" has to be payed in cash. they think its easy to get more out of the customers for less value!

 

ummm #5...how is that different with P2P games? How many times have you gone and bought a $50 box, with an unfinished product?

Again, I play F2P games, all the time, I enjoy them, and I don't pay a dime. If anyone thinks that you have to pay, then you're missing the point of these games. I don't have to have the coolest n best gear. I don't need it. I don't need the cool looking accessories. And I don't want the power ups. None of those things are worth my money. I'm to old to try to be "cool".

When I get into a game, whether its p2p or free, my whole goal is to have fun, meet people, and advance my character/story (in that order) I don't try to "win" because outside of pvp (which i don't do) there is no "winning" in MMORPG's. These games are about the sense of an adventure, not about the end of it.

Originally posted by merv808

When I get into a game, whether its p2p or free, my whole goal is to have fun, meet people, and advance my character/story (in that order) I don't try to "win" because outside of pvp (which i don't do) there is no "winning" in MMORPG's. These games are about the sense of an adventure, not about the end of it.

Exactly merv808, that's one of the reasons I love to play MMOs. I love meeting new people and having fun, most of all. I do like loot, but it doesn't matter to me if it's on a free or pay to play game.

Originally posted by Pinkerl

why people despise Free2Play?

 

to me its not different from monthly. free2play cashshpop to win right? well monthly  is buy ingame currency  to win. either way it is currupted on both model. im kindda laylow on mmo now. i mostly play psn and waiting for ff14 see how it do in ps3. hopfully console is less curruption.

 

 

so since both model is no difference.... runes of magic is pretty good.

Because free games attract a whole new level of "idiots".

No offense.

Indeed they do - cheapskate idiots.