Originally posted by Gdemami

The core mechanics of any PVP is to defeat the other player. In this case, the other player was found in an industrial ship.

...what was your question again?

i will have to argue that point. i do not consider PVP just to simply kill or be killed. there are types of pvp.

arena pvp is kill or be killed.

Tournament PvP is be the best in the end

world pvp is kill if you have to.

i see that some people are taking world pvp into an giant arena where anything to be killed has to be killed and if the money is good enough, kill your team mate... hell kill him anyway even if the money isnt good. that kind of mentality bothers me. when i feel like playing that i go to a FPS where its kill or be killed.

but a good pirate that kills for booty or an assassin or bounty hunter who kills for money, or a mercenary corp who kills for money, thats perfect in a game like eve.

anyway, those dudes who ganked us will have a special surprize in less than a week

lets just say we managed to get the funds  to keep them inside 1 system for a bit over a month...

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Originally posted by Squal'Zell
i will have to argue that point. i do not consider PVP just to simply kill or be killed. there are types of pvp.
arena pvp is kill or be killed.
Tournament PvP is be the best in the end
world pvp is kill if you have to.
 
i see that some people are taking world pvp into an giant arena where anything to be killed has to be killed and if the money is good enough, kill your team mate... hell kill him anyway even if the money isnt good. that kind of mentality bothers me. when i feel like playing that i go to a FPS where its kill or be killed.
but a good pirate that kills for booty or an assassin or bounty hunter who kills for money, or a mercenary corp who kills for money, thats perfect in a game like eve.
anyway, those dudes who ganked us will have a special surprize in less than a week
lets just say we managed to get the funds  to keep them inside 1 system for a bit over a month...
 

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There is nothing to argue because you are wrong and your oppinion about PVP is only your personal consideration causing you 'that kind of mentality bothers me'. It is YOUR problem, sir. Not anyone else's.

Only thing that could be complained about here is your lack of respect for other people just because they do not share your insight on the game.

You don't have to agree with what they are doing, it might also annoys you, but you should respect it, adapt and deal with it.

just out of interest, whats your corp called?

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

Originally posted by Gdemami

The core mechanics of any PVP is to defeat the other player. In this case, the other player was found in an industrial ship.

...what was your question again?

i will have to argue that point. i do not consider PVP just to simply kill or be killed. there are types of pvp.

arena pvp is kill or be killed.

Tournament PvP is be the best in the end

world pvp is kill if you have to.

 

i see that some people are taking world pvp into an giant arena where anything to be killed has to be killed and if the money is good enough, kill your team mate... hell kill him anyway even if the money isnt good. that kind of mentality bothers me. when i feel like playing that i go to a FPS where its kill or be killed.

but a good pirate that kills for booty or an assassin or bounty hunter who kills for money, or a mercenary corp who kills for money, thats perfect in a game like eve.

anyway, those dudes who ganked us will have a special surprize in less than a week

lets just say we managed to get the funds  to keep them inside 1 system for a bit over a month...

Now that's the spirit!  Revenge is a dish best served cold.

You were merely a target of opportunity, don't take it personally.  The gloating was childish but other than that he was simply playing the game.

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Originally posted by MaGicBush
 
Unless I am mistaken(rather new to Eve), there can be consequences for griefing in Eve.

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The concequence is a ban.

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16. You may not do anything that interferes with the ability of other EVE Online subscribers to enjoy the game or web site in accordance with its rules. This includes, but is not limited to, making inappropriate use of any public channels within the game and/or intentionally creating excessive latency (lag) by dumping cargo containers, corpses or other items in the game world.

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If you study their rules, you will soon find out that their definition of griefing applies to things that can not by avoided by the victim. The things the Op lists as "griefing" are well within the rules of the game, since there are game mechanics in place to avoid it.

griefer, pirate = same guy.

Originally posted by jusomdude

griefer, pirate = same guy.

nooooo

pirate does it for profit

grieffer does it for fun

pirates are pirates because they enjoy it. it is fun.

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

Originally posted by jusomdude

griefer, pirate = same guy.

 

nooooo

pirate does it for profit

grieffer does it for fun

LOL I hope you are trolling.  If you think that blowing somebody up just because it's fun is griefing you are playing the wrong game.   If that is the case, 99% of PvPers in EVE are griefers.

Well, ask yourself this:

what does it say about someone if they enjoy getting kills just to get kills? It seems like the other player's misfortune is a big part of their satisfaction. 

I love the fact that eve lets people be rotten.  It makes the game much harder, much closer to real life (in terms of human nature), and much harder to succeed in.

I have a lot more respect for the people that freely admit that they enjoy the suffering of others.  Personally I find it impossible to attack someone that has done me no harm, but I'm glad CCP lets people be who they really are.

Why do you think they were getting kills 'just to get kills'?  (Not that there is anything wrong with that.)  Killing other players is the whole point of EVE after all, especially in 0.0.  Hint:  You were in a wormhole... wormhole sec status is.... wait for it.... 0.0.... by being in 0.0 you consented to unrestricted PVP.

They killed you because.... they could.

They got loot from all your mining ships... hulks tend to drop a fair ammt of loot so they're VERY worth shooting at.... Drakes generally drop fairly decent loot, especially if the owner was foolish enough to fit arbalest launchers (15 mil payday for each launcher that survives) and let's not forget they now can kill your pos if they so desire and take anything you have anchored at it as well as any ships you left inside it.

Sounds like a pretty big payday for the guys who killed you.  I fail to see how it's griefing.  And, to increase their payday even more, they offered to sell you a bookmark to get out of the wormhole so you can go get new ships etc.  I'm guessing they didn't realize you have a covops in system to scan you a way out.  It's fairly common practice to ransom a wormhole exit bookmark to folks you kill because they are stuck there if they don't already have a valid exit bookmarked (or have a prober that survives the attack).

Originally posted by Taram

Why do you think they were getting kills 'just to get kills'?  (Not that there is anything wrong with that.)  Killing other players is the whole point of EVE after all, especially in 0.0.  Hint:  You were in a wormhole... wormhole sec status is.... wait for it.... 0.0.... by being in 0.0 you consented to unrestricted PVP.

They killed you because.... they could.

They got loot from all your mining ships... hulks tend to drop a fair ammt of loot so they're VERY worth shooting at.... Drakes generally drop fairly decent loot, especially if the owner was foolish enough to fit arbalest launchers (15 mil payday for each launcher that survives) and let's not forget they now can kill your pos if they so desire and take anything you have anchored at it as well as any ships you left inside it.

Sounds like a pretty big payday for the guys who killed you.  I fail to see how it's griefing.  And, to increase their payday even more, they offered to sell you a bookmark to get out of the wormhole so you can go get new ships etc.  I'm guessing they didn't realize you have a covops in system to scan you a way out.  It's fairly common practice to ransom a wormhole exit bookmark to folks you kill because they are stuck there if they don't already have a valid exit bookmarked (or have a prober that survives the attack).

 

i think ill have to refer you to post #15 and #25.

they did not loot or salvage anything, they did not take the POS nor did they even attempt to do anything with it. they left that wormhole with less than they came in

so it was just kill to kill.

There is nothing wrong with unrestricted killing in nullsec/WH however.

Even when they kill you for isk how would that make this any better? They could've just scammed you. Made you pay bribe then kill you anyway. So it was more respectful to just kill you fast and not waste more time and isk

At least after they killed you- you were able to return and salvage your ship and get your old items that survived the explosion.

when I die it always delights me when I can at least get back some of the stuff I've lost.

I'd be more thankful if I were you.  At least you got insurance? Someone got insurance i bet. When I got robbed from a POS theft i lost 2 ships and got no insurance. He did his dirt for isk and this does not make it any better period....

When you come into 0.0 you are taking a chance. If you feel that u were truly griefed do what u hinted and camp those guys. Then come back and regale us with how this went down.

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Originally posted by PatchDay
There is nothing wrong with unrestricted killing in nullsec/WH however.
Even when they kill you for isk how would that make this any better? They could've just scammed you. Made you pay bribe then kill you anyway. So it was more respectful to just kill you fast and not waste more time and isk
At least after they killed you- you were able to return and salvage your ship and get your old items that survived the explosion.
when I die it always delights me when I can at least get back some of the stuff I've lost.
I'd be more thankful if I were you.  At least you got insurance? Someone got insurance i bet. When I got robbed from a POS theft i lost 2 ships and got no insurance. He did his dirt for isk and this does not make it any better period....
 
When you come into 0.0 you are taking a chance. If you feel that u were truly griefed do what u hinted and camp those guys. Then come back and regale us with how this went down.

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Just another carebear, move along.

Pirates and griefers are just players who can't hack it in 0.0, so they fight low skilled and new players in  empire space.

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Originally posted by DETURK
Pirates and griefers are just players who can't hack it in 0.0, so they fight low skilled and new players in  empire space.

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You're NBSI in wormholes too, Deturk.

Originally posted by Squal'Zell

Originally posted by Taram

Why do you think they were getting kills 'just to get kills'?  (Not that there is anything wrong with that.)  Killing other players is the whole point of EVE after all, especially in 0.0.  Hint:  You were in a wormhole... wormhole sec status is.... wait for it.... 0.0.... by being in 0.0 you consented to unrestricted PVP.

They killed you because.... they could.

They got loot from all your mining ships... hulks tend to drop a fair ammt of loot so they're VERY worth shooting at.... Drakes generally drop fairly decent loot, especially if the owner was foolish enough to fit arbalest launchers (15 mil payday for each launcher that survives) and let's not forget they now can kill your pos if they so desire and take anything you have anchored at it as well as any ships you left inside it.

Sounds like a pretty big payday for the guys who killed you.  I fail to see how it's griefing.  And, to increase their payday even more, they offered to sell you a bookmark to get out of the wormhole so you can go get new ships etc.  I'm guessing they didn't realize you have a covops in system to scan you a way out.  It's fairly common practice to ransom a wormhole exit bookmark to folks you kill because they are stuck there if they don't already have a valid exit bookmarked (or have a prober that survives the attack).

 

i think ill have to refer you to post #15 and #25.

they did not loot or salvage anything, they did not take the POS nor did they even attempt to do anything with it. they left that wormhole with less than they came in

so it was just kill to kill.

Doesn't matter

you were in 0.0

unrestricted open *voluntary* PVP.  You chose to go to 0.0... you died there.  Get over it.

Originally posted by DETURK

Pirates and griefers are just players who can't hack it in 0.0, so they fight low skilled and new players in  empire space.

Last time I checked  wormholes aren't 'empire'.  They're 0.0.

You'll never figure them out OP.  You are a lot like me, you'd rather let others live and let live. Sure, kill them if there's a good reason, like because they are corp/alliance enemies, or because they are pirate scum, or even to loot them of their valuable goods, but not just to ruin their day.

Other players don't live by such a creed and expecting them to will only lead to frustration.  You just accept that they play the game differently than you do and not waste any time understanding them.

I've been in roaming gangs and killed unsuspecting miners.  I actually felt bad about it, but you go with the flow, its just what EVE's all about.

But when I'm soloing in a low sec system, I won't go looking for trouble from the other mission runners, ratters and miners there with me.

But others most certainly will.