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TdogSkal
 Hard Core Member
Joined: 5/11/06
Do not fear death, Death will come a knocking anytime it wants. |
Originally posted by Zorndorf
For those posting their WOW hate in these forums and react to ANYTHING just to vomit all over a fantastic game with a huge succesful following ... Reread the blue and think: what is the logic behind this all ??? You don't like WOW because it just is better than what the rest has to offer to get to "the goldmine". It's the same thing as saying: "Hey Barcelona is a great football team, but it simply is too good so the rest can't compete, so I hate Barcelona." Great logic. Tx Blizzard to help out the fans with these constantly new and helping tools. Just ignore the 1% WoW haters: it is the paying fans that count.
Did you even read my post at all? It is perfect logic... The more money WoW makes, the more companies want to copy it which further moves the genre further from what I as a player like... which is challenging game with a ton of grouping and player choices. Were player skill out ranks items and abilities/spells. Again WoW is a good game but because of its success more companies will try and copy it and the gamers that are looking for a different kind of MMO are not going to get a game they want.... So again, it is a perfectly logical statement. I do not hate WOW... I hate that developers are trying to copy WoW because of WoWs success. Sooner or Later |
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TdogSkal
Hard Core Member
Joined: 5/11/06
Do not fear death, Death will come a knocking anytime it wants. |
Originally posted by Xiaoki
Your so full of shit... again read my post.... Read it slowly.... My favorite game listens to its player base. It has been running for 10+ years. WoW is an easy game not counting the raiding with is less then 5% of the pop of WoW. I do not want a quest grind game,, I do not enjoy them... Hense I do not enjoy WoW. Its not that hard to understand. Sooner or Later |
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googajoob7 - so if WoW offers free level 55 characters then its an example of WoW being ruined and Blizzard dumbing it down? TdogSkal - your posts in this topic has been nothing but blind anti-WoW rants. Not worth reading. |
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TdogSkal
Hard Core Member
Joined: 5/11/06
Do not fear death, Death will come a knocking anytime it wants. |
Originally posted by Xiaoki
It has not. I have been simply stating my position. I am not anti-WoW. I keep saying WoW is a good game.... It is not my type of game but it is still a good game.... The problem I have with WoW is that companies are tying to be "WoW" which means players that are like me are not getting a game for use... instead there are tons of games for your playstyle... What doyou not understand. Sooner or Later |
Originally posted by TdogSkal
It has not. I have been simply stating my position. I am not anti-WoW. I keep saying WoW is a good game.... It is not my type of game but it is still a good game.... The problem I have with WoW is that companies are tying to be "WoW" which means players that are like me are not getting a game for use... instead there are tons of games for your playstyle... What doyou not understand. Then don't blame WOW or Blizzard for capitalizing on their success! What do you want - Blizzard just to stop and give up? How about they just cancel WOW and let's add it to the failure heap of MMO's...how does that sound? Blame other companies for the failures and the constant desire to copy WOW. There are a lot of games out there not trying to copy WOW (Champion's Online comes to mind) so there are plenty of games to choose from. |
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Originally posted by templarga Then don't blame WOW or Blizzard for capitalizing on their success! What do you want - Blizzard just to stop and give up? How about they just cancel WOW and let's add it to the failure heap of MMO's...how does that sound? Blame other companies for the failures and the constant desire to copy WOW. There are a lot of games out there not trying to copy WOW (Champion's Online comes to mind) so there are plenty of games to choose from.
Theres nothing wrong with wanting a game not just like wow Templarga. You dont have to blame WoW for that, you can however blame the fly by night cash cow Asian supermarkets crapping out one useless wow clone after another only minus content but with added grinding. I don't think the faction switch is a decline for wow to be honest. I mean your accusing wow of selling out or something, but really the game is built around sort of a pop culture fizz anyway, this kind of thing won't phaze it. WoW is probably the only mmorpg I can play and NOT be suprized to see a coke machine in it somewhere. |
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When it comes to the faction switch 'fo-pah'(sp?) break it down. Imagine this isnt WoW, I know thats hard.. lol.. but just imagine this is a basic game. In any game, whatever game you personally want to think of, you can never switch from one side to the other. It makes no since at all. You dont play through starcraft as Terran, beat it, then repeat the last level as zerg so that you can build every building. No, you had to play through zerg from lvl 1 on, then play through protoss from lvl 1 on. Maybe thats a bad example... but games werent made for give aways, they were made for a challenge.
Chess still played every day around the world, cause the rules never changed, they didnt 'dumb' it down. I seriously hope ive made a good point. Watch the movie idiocracy. I prefer a challenge, ive stopped playing wow and the minute they add a 'hard mode' button onto the log in screen I will be back. You guess can continue being fed with a spoon.
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Originally posted by Basicgear
faux pas |
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thanks. ^_^ |
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Originally posted by Basicgear
Np. Nice read. |
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Since the first expanson wow has become a joke..but lately..man they are either desperate or wanna ruin the game asap...paladins in the horde dumb, shamans in the allie dumb, fact that anyone can het full epic gear just by logging into the game dumb, change char name and realm dumbest thing...
Future changes blizz has in mind Lvl 1 chars already born with epics and fly mount and all old world achievments completed and 10k gold in the bank. level untill 10 and can create a lvl 80 char full tier 8 With the amount of 19.99$ players can use blizz bot program to farm mobs when sleeping
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Originally posted by Basicgear
It makes no sense you can change sides, but it makes sense you can emit fireballs from your fingers. It also makes sense that a hit on your left arm cost as much HP as a hit on your head, (err actually do you know where you got hit?). It also makes sense that after being hit by a huge fireball, you can be battle rezed and suddenly you are throwing back fireballs. It also makes sense that you are making all those sense. Its a game. What sense does it need to make? Biology? Chemistry? History? or ? Your sense? Its a game, if its fun, play it. If not ... relax. Talking about challenge. Does everyone want your sense of challenge? Instead of asking WoW to tune itself to your sense of challenge, you can try shop for another game. I actually do not like the taste of Coke. Coke should redo their formulae so I can get my taste of sweetness. Games are like other shelf products. Its designed and produced by someone, and you are there to pick it or leave it. You can send your feedbacks, but getting emotional like that? Next time I see a bread with peppar on it, I will bring my super machine gun and blast. |
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It would have been really cool if you could still be human switching to horde side, instead of switching races as well. I am not sure why they chose not to take that approach. |
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Originally posted by Xiaoki
I did nt know they were . But yes i think its a bad idea even in age of conan . Looking at what funcom are offering it seams to be a time limited offer and its also limited to players who have a level 80 and they can do it with only one character so its not quite as bad as whats been implimented in world of warcraft with faster leveling and easily achievable epics . Also at present WoW does offer free level 55 characters beyond the death knight .I was using it as and example of a bad idea that could be implimented . I have less objection to being able to switching sides if its implimented well . Meaning you cant faction switch on your current server , you cant cant faction switch in your current battle and you cant switch back . Once you ve done it then thats it . If its implimented in such a way it will avoid it being abused . But i doubt it will be like that .
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Originally posted by Orthedos
It makes no sense you can change sides, but it makes sense you can emit fireballs from your fingers. It also makes sense that a hit on your left arm cost as much HP as a hit on your head, (err actually do you know where you got hit?). It also makes sense that after being hit by a huge fireball, you can be battle rezed and suddenly you are throwing back fireballs. It also makes sense that you are making all those sense. Its a game. What sense does it need to make? Biology? Chemistry? History? or ? Your sense? Its a game, if its fun, play it. If not ... relax. Talking about challenge. Does everyone want your sense of challenge? Instead of asking WoW to tune itself to your sense of challenge, you can try shop for another game. I actually do not like the taste of Coke. Coke should redo their formulae so I can get my taste of sweetness. Games are like other shelf products. Its designed and produced by someone, and you are there to pick it or leave it. You can send your feedbacks, but getting emotional like that? Next time I see a bread with peppar on it, I will bring my super machine gun and blast. i actually think you both make good points . it is a game but its a game where players have invested a lot of time an money in it ( more so than single player games) so if the company that run it make fundamentaly bad choices in regard to gameplay then people have a right to be annoyed . although as i ve acknowlaged this will proberbly please the younger audiance of Wow . Maybe whats needed is advanced servers ? where theres no faster leveling , easier epics or faction switching . |
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I don't think there would have been a problem with this feature. A few years ago! |
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Originally posted by Zorndorf Hmm interesting. Is there a link to how these twink only bg s work, or could you explain it. I m not a twink and used to just leave BGs with them. I ll be very interested to know if I can pick a BG without them . If so I ll return quickly. |
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If Blizzard takes the role of money grabber I agree that faction swaps are a bad idea. Being able to pay to change faction which results in a race change is a ridiculous feature to add into the game. Why? Because it makes no sense to the Warcraft lore, it has no advantages to the game, it is just a money grabbing scam for ppl who wanna take there l33t charcter with them to play with new friends. However if blizzard implements faction swapping into the game effectivly it will be a great change, think FFXI, you can change your faction willing however it comes with a cost, you lose faction points that you could use to buy gear and special items. However by swapping factions you were able to access the special quests avaible for only that faction. If WoW implements a system like this were a penalty is introduced for a faction change such as a loss of rep and any faction specific equipment (like BG or PVP gear) and allows players to keep there character and race but try out quests from the other faction it would be a brilliant update.
Sadly i know blizzard will go for money grabbing option. |
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Originally posted by taylorjt13
see RED, you said yourself the reason (from a player perspective) why this feature was added. A player has 2 options...
Now honestly, with all the wow and blizzard hate aside is faction switching really a bad idea or players? There is fee to stop abuse of the system and make sure you have really thought about it, ofc there is $ in it for blizzard but shock horror blizzard is a company and need to make money to support wow, sc2, D3, unknown mmo, next wow expac, battle.net servers and anything else blizzard is working on. Also on some other posts, WC lore does not come into it, if you delete your toon do you bang on about the lore? or if you rename your toon? You change race at the same time, so no horde gnomes or alliance undead, your just another alliance or horde toon.
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Originally posted by Deto123 Hmm interesting. Is there a link to how these twink only bg s work, or could you explain it. I m not a twink and used to just leave BGs with them. I ll be very interested to know if I can pick a BG without them . If so I ll return quickly.
As from patch 3.2 you gain experience in PVP in the BG's. So twinks will automatically gain experience. The only way to avoid it is to "shut down" experience gains. This can be done in some cities and costs 10Gold. Now comes the catch: people who shut down experience gains are seperated into DIFFERENT Bg's. This was dome to seperate the twinks from the "normal" leveling people. You should see the results already after patch 3.2 becomes live. http://www.wow.com/2009/06/25/twinked-out-npcs-in-patch-3-2-thrill-twinks/ As the article says: ... "as players with XP turned off will only face other players with XP turned off (other twinks, essentially). " So welcome back :)))) Another example of how Blizzard constantly listens to its users lately. You know ... the ones actually PLAYING the game. |
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stayontarget
Novice Member
Joined: 10/04/08
Girlfriends come and go but Epic battles are Soulbound |
Originally posted by Zorndorf
As from patch 3.2 you gain experience in PVP in the BG's. So twinks will automatically gain experience. The only way to avoid it is to "shut down" experience gains. This can be done in some cities and costs 10Gold. Now comes the catch: people who shut down experience gains are seperated into DIFFERENT Bg's. This was dome to seperate the twinks from the "normal" leveling people. You should see the results already after patch 3.2 becomes live. http://www.wow.com/2009/06/25/twinked-out-npcs-in-patch-3-2-thrill-twinks/ As the article says: ... "as players with XP turned off will only face other players with XP turned off (other twinks, essentially). " So welcome back :)))) Another example of how Blizzard constantly listens to its users lately. You know ... the ones actually PLAYING the game. Nothing says world immersion if players can turn off "XP" or selecting "nightmare mode". |
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If I remember right from Warcraft there was now ar anyways just both Orcs and Humans fighting against the undead or whatever. |
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Originally posted by googajoob7 i actually think you both make good points . it is a game but its a game where players have invested a lot of time an money in it ( more so than single player games) so if the company that run it make fundamentaly bad choices in regard to gameplay then people have a right to be annoyed . although as i ve acknowlaged this will proberbly please the younger audiance of Wow . Maybe whats needed is advanced servers ? where theres no faster leveling , easier epics or faction switching .
Ok point taken and acknowledged. I see things in a slightly different way. A game is not a long term investment path with payment in stream or lump sum later. Its a consumption. Its like eating a cake. Once eaten its gone. I do not see my big belly as an investment, I just ate too much hot dogs back in NY and now too much spicy chinese food. The hours I spent in the game, the sub money, is just payment for leisure. Like chess, I actually bought a few books on how to play chess, when I was a kid. Damn expensive books back then. Advanced servers are options, PvP/PvE servers are options. Character transfer is option as well. Fact is, so long as it does not significantly affect my gameplay, I tend not to form immediate judgment. Given that there are at least thousands of players online in my server, gaining a few or losing a few does not immediately threaten my gameplay. As for quality of those coming or leaving, oh well you guess my guess. Hope that not all of my friends leave, then I should be ok. I do not care if the other guy gets faster levelling, easier epics, easier mounts, easier whatever. I play for my own leisure, I do not have to be upset b/c his way to 80 is now easier than my old journey. Fact is, if I reroll now, I enjoy pretty much the same discounts in costs. I look at it this way: back in January I bought a new shirt, full price. The price of the shirt drops to half now. So do I feel hurt? No. I enjoyed it back then. There is another way to look at this same thing, lets try to use naxx & ulduar raids now as an example. Rememberr when we first have naxx with the Wotlk expansion. We were among the first batch to hit 80s. Everyone walking into naxx with a mixed bag of heroic purples and blues will wipe repeatedly at the first spider boss. So being the first to try naxx will mean a lot of pain, repair bills, and practically no hopes of loot, as a boss kill was hard. 4 months later, when my next batch of 80s emerged, I bring him to heal a naxx when I am in all blue gear. The guild or friends I join are all decked out in naxx 25, I got half decked in naxx 25 in just 1 run in under 3 hours. So its much like blizz lowering the bar for early levels. Yes if I join later, things are pretty much easy. If I want a smooth and easy life, I should not be the first to try out anything. Now look at ulduar, which is the tough one now. It took me 2 full nights of dying to get 4 tower up achievement for 10man FL. Yes, people say its easy but we keep making mistakes and wiping at 10-40% remaining HP of FL. If I want easy life and easy loot, I can just find a team that brutes the way to general with limited and easy heroic modes. 4 hours and that will be all cleared except yogg and the last gay guy. However I want "fun" (others call it challenge, I don't), if I like that kind of "fun", I will have to waste 2 nights, and 300g of repair, just to get a shot at 4 tower up. So much rambles, what am I saying? Fun. If you want that kind of fun, you will have to pay the costs. Time, repair gold, frustration ... and no guarantee you can get it. It does not necessarily mean competitive. It does not have to be gear, or be the first, just whatever fun that comes to mind, and you are willing to pay for that. I have been trying to max fishing, but that fun failed for me. I never can stay awake after fishing for 5 minutes, in WoW. |
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Originally posted by TdogSkal oh god oh plz oh god oh will you purchase some common sense on ebay plz...
there is a HUGE difference between EASY / HARD and TIME CONSUMING / NOT TIME CONSUMING... EASY DOESN'T EQUAL TO NOT TIME CONSUMING... i swear you people have the brains of a RETARD COCKROACH
No kidding, were did I say that hard = time consuming? ..... Easy has nothing to do with the time involved. Sorry but I have a ton of common sense... you do not. Proved by your post. Where did I say that time consuming = hard in my post? Its easy because they hold your hand though out the game.... other then raiding,,, you are led by the hand to max level... It requires no skill or thinking at all. Collect the quest, follow your mini map, gain exp... no challenge, no thinking, no problems solving. Video games should require problem solving, thinking and have some challenge to them. Sorry I like to think and figure things out for myself when playing Video games... including MMOs. WoW guides you though the game. Every quest is marked clearly on your map, how is that not easy? Maybe if you had to think once in a while you people would understand that easy/hard has nothing to do with time.
this is a uhhh... overdue reply but uhh... but it has to be done...
"So you can just transfer your charater back and forth with out pulling an effort into building a new toon... hmm seems like "easy" mode to me."
and now... here is *YOUR DEFINITION* of blizzard character leveling...
"Its easy because they hold your hand though out the game.... other then raiding,,, you are led by the hand to max level... It requires no skill or thinking at all. Collect the quest, follow your mini map, gain exp... no challenge, no thinking, no problems solving."
now... take the common sense that you bought and eat it up and figure out what this means... still dont know? ok i'll tell you... prepare yourself... this is what *YOU ARE SAYING* you are saying that wow lvling is childs play that requires no skills to go from 1-80... however it still takes time to lvl from 1-80... if it takes you 1 week to lvl from 1-80... what is that? thats 1 week worth of *TIME*... now lets go back to *YOUR FIRST QUOTE* you called not having to build a new character "easy"... so that means not having to spend *TIME* lvling is "EASY" and that concludes you saying "hard = time consuming"... since you are saying that "easy = not time consuming" ONCE AGAIN READ YOUR OWN QUOTE... "So you can just transfer your charater back and forth with out pulling an effort into building a new toon... hmm seems like "easy" mode to me." NOW ANSWER THIS QUESTION... DOES IT TAKE TIME TO LEVEL A CHARACTER? YES /NO serisouly... what's your IQ... go get it tested...
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Can i just point out just because some people want something in game it really does nt make it a good idea . I mean i m sure a lot of younger wow players would love say to be able to pay a fee and change thier class or proffession in warcraft . how about paying a fee so your character can have speacial dance moves .maybe being able to access the battlegrounds anywhere in warcraft and get xp for simply grinding them . that really worked well in warhammer !!!!!. heres another thought allow players to start a new character of any class at level 55 once they have a level 80 and completly anhilate any chance of interesting gameplay from levels 1-54 . i mean its bad enough already that on most servers those leves are now a solo grind because no ones interested in doing mid level instances anymore due to faster leveling . if wow is all about the endgame now let people start an alt at 55 .. these things have to be well thought out before they are implimented and i get the feeling blizzard really dont put much thought into them beyond how much money they can make in the short term . its all about credibility as much as the bottom line because without that sooner or later you heading for a fall .
