Where is the raid content since all of T1+T2 can be cleared in  a nite

ouch is there much traction on this game?

are they spending much on moving it forward?

"very little endgame.."

Please, define "endgame" and "very little"

Compared to what? WOW as of 14 months? WOW as of today? Average MMO? Average MMO that is less then 14 months old?

I have no trouble with endgame, maybe because I`m not 80 yet, because I`m a casual player that plays a few hours every week.
And as far as I know, new raids are coming this fall, maybe not with next patch (since next patch is still 1,05,X) but with 1,06 I belive its planned to come out.

EDIT: And I do belive that endgame is delayed because of the problems with the game the last 10 months, and the fixing fo these. Now that it`s done endgame and further is coming ever closer.

It took them one year to stabilize the client and getting out of the beta stage, so why surprised about no new raid content after 14 months? Sieges are also unplayable after 14 months and the pvp balance is atrocious. I wouldn't be surprised if they plan to release tier 3 after 2.1, that is after the first big update in the next expansion.

 Tier 3 raiding IS coming in the next content patch, patch 1.06. That it initially dated for October. Also, in the minor patch after the coming 'balance' patch, we'll have yet another 6 man dungeon in Tarantia Commons. And don't say it took them those 14 months just to iron out the bugs. In that time we got 2 new zones, 4 or 5 new instances, new solo instance, revamp of old instances, a PvP system [albeit admittably not a very good one] and crapload of new quests.

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by Destiny2010

"very little endgame.."

Please, define "endgame" and "very little"

Compared to what? WOW as of 14 months? WOW as of today? Average MMO? Average MMO that is less then 14 months old?

I have no trouble with endgame, maybe because I`m not 80 yet, because I`m a casual player that plays a few hours every week.
And as far as I know, new raids are coming this fall, maybe not with next patch (since next patch is still 1,05,X) but with 1,06 I belive its planned to come out.

EDIT: And I do belive that endgame is delayed because of the problems with the game the last 10 months, and the fixing fo these. Now that it`s done endgame and further is coming ever closer.

 

You are talking about endgame but haven't even get there yet?

There are MMO's where the real game actually starts at max level. AoC is not that kind of game. Why do you think all those hundreds of hardcore pvp guilds quit once they saw endgame? You will see it for yourself once you get there. Meanwhile please stop talking about AoC endgame because you know nothing about it.

The reason why I`m not 80 is because I don`t play as much as before, and I enjoy leveling so much anyway. I got tiered of the "endgame" things back in WOW (2004-Dec 2006), but not gonna go into that right now. I have been playing since december, and I have seen every new change that has been done, so my impression is beyond what a guy that went 1-80 in July 2008 has. I have never understodd why endgame is so "fun" and why people rush trough games to get to it. When I reach 80 sometime I`m gonna cap some of those towers (if they have made it in by then) with my guild and enyoy that because we are not big enough to get a BK.

And you still did not answer my questions/request...

I think that 10+ bosses, PvP & BKs are more then good enough endgame for a 14 month old game. Look at my last post @ why there is no more.

I for one won't be having T1 & T2 on grind before T3 instances are added, guess I'm just not hard-core enough.

You could always read Tolstoi's 'War and Peace' until then, but then again, you'd probably finish it in little more than an hour.

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by Destiny2010

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by Destiny2010

"very little endgame.."

Please, define "endgame" and "very little"

Compared to what? WOW as of 14 months? WOW as of today? Average MMO? Average MMO that is less then 14 months old?

I have no trouble with endgame, maybe because I`m not 80 yet, because I`m a casual player that plays a few hours every week.
And as far as I know, new raids are coming this fall, maybe not with next patch (since next patch is still 1,05,X) but with 1,06 I belive its planned to come out.

EDIT: And I do belive that endgame is delayed because of the problems with the game the last 10 months, and the fixing fo these. Now that it`s done endgame and further is coming ever closer.

 

You are talking about endgame but haven't even get there yet?

There are MMO's where the real game actually starts at max level. AoC is not that kind of game. Why do you think all those hundreds of hardcore pvp guilds quit once they saw endgame? You will see it for yourself once you get there. Meanwhile please stop talking about AoC endgame because you know nothing about it.

 

The reason why I`m not 80 is because I don`t play as much as before, and I enjoy leveling so much anyway. I got tiered of the "endgame" things back in WOW (2004-Dec 2006), but not gonna go into that right now. I have been playing since december, and I have seen every new change that has been done, so my impression is beyond what a guy that went 1-80 in July 2008 has. I have never understodd why endgame is so "fun" and why people rush trough games to get to it. When I reach 80 sometime I`m gonna cap some of those towers (if they have made it in by then) with my guild and enyoy that because we are not big enough to get a BK.

And you still did not answer my questions/request...

I think that 10+ bosses, PvP & BKs are more then good enough endgame for a 14 month old game. Look at my last post @ why there is no more.

 

Again you are talking about endgame even though you haven't even seen it!!! Unbeliavable..

Maybe you don't understand what is "fun" in endgame but the fact that you don't understand it, doesn't make other players opinions invalid.

For me I like endgame because everyone basically has the same tools, and it's your SKILL that makes you better than most, not the fact that you have 10 levels higher character. Also higher level characters usually have more skills, attributes, gear etc. which makes gameplay more challenging.

I remember Erling Ellingsen saying before launch that in AoC the real game starts after max level. Of course he was lying as usual but I was really hoping AoC would have been a game like that.

Funcom clearly put most of its resources in developing Tortage. Rest of Hyboria was put together in a hurry and it really shows. I wish they had first developed endgame and then the other stuff. Players can endure boring lower levels if they know something amazing is coming once they get to higher levels.

What, Bill, did you just join yesterday just so you can say he hasn't experienced endgame? I myself don't really care about endgame because im only lvl 36 still have 44 levels to go, and im taking my time, I don't sit at my PC all day saying "ZOMG i gots Tierz Thre", and why do you want endgame first, You would rather have a screwed up Tortage that wont let you leave, with endgame content? Endgame is level 80 that's one level, The rest questing, grinding are 79 levels.

Originally posted by badboybill

 

 I'm looking for something else. I'm looking for massive, competitive, endgame pvp. AoC does not deliver that, which is the reason why most pvp guilds quit. Only pvp guilds left are ganking guilds and I want no part in that.

Couple things to point out.

• Your experiences are only good for the server you play on and not the whole game, please remember that when talking about the game as a whole.
• The last 3 patches have given us high end content.
• The majority of players are not level 80
• House of Crom, Iron Tower, Tier 3 raids are all coming over the next few months in staggered amounts.
• Additional Wing 2 content ws opened not long ago already.
• When people talk about having all raids on farm status look at the game as a whole and guild progression we are talking maybe one guild per server (on average) out of hundreds.
• Towers are coming too have you heard about those?
• No one is saying there is enough high end content, everyone wants to see more if it applies to them. It is coming and already in the works.
• You really think over 99% of players have T1+2 on farm status?

Funcom has  Failed on the PVP front to the point wheres not even funny   Sieges are still  broken as hell and perform like  shit  (to the point were the combat log lags out). in order for the world pvp in this to work the all  the zones need to be redone as they are total shit for a world PVP game. 

Second for the Slow levelers in this game, it only  took me  120 hours to do 1-80, and under 25 hours to hit 40.

2nd they  BROKE  CHATHA forever, they also Broke him in 1.05  it took until  1.054 to fix him(3 weeks later slow), and BRC wing 3 was already accessable  pre-1.04 as so called hub zone is WING 3

so they gave the raider access to 2 more boss with a super simple strats behind them

AB kill adds keep 2nd boss guy tanked and kill boss

Lev clear room in under 3:20 min and have  the bowls being run when a 20second death counter start.

and now it even FASTER to GEAR OUT  thanks to increased drops by bosses, it raining epic now

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by Mike1996

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by Destiny2010

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by Destiny2010

"very little endgame.."

Please, define "endgame" and "very little"

Compared to what? WOW as of 14 months? WOW as of today? Average MMO? Average MMO that is less then 14 months old?

I have no trouble with endgame, maybe because I`m not 80 yet, because I`m a casual player that plays a few hours every week.
And as far as I know, new raids are coming this fall, maybe not with next patch (since next patch is still 1,05,X) but with 1,06 I belive its planned to come out.

EDIT: And I do belive that endgame is delayed because of the problems with the game the last 10 months, and the fixing fo these. Now that it`s done endgame and further is coming ever closer.

 

You are talking about endgame but haven't even get there yet?

There are MMO's where the real game actually starts at max level. AoC is not that kind of game. Why do you think all those hundreds of hardcore pvp guilds quit once they saw endgame? You will see it for yourself once you get there. Meanwhile please stop talking about AoC endgame because you know nothing about it.

 

The reason why I`m not 80 is because I don`t play as much as before, and I enjoy leveling so much anyway. I got tiered of the "endgame" things back in WOW (2004-Dec 2006), but not gonna go into that right now. I have been playing since december, and I have seen every new change that has been done, so my impression is beyond what a guy that went 1-80 in July 2008 has. I have never understodd why endgame is so "fun" and why people rush trough games to get to it. When I reach 80 sometime I`m gonna cap some of those towers (if they have made it in by then) with my guild and enyoy that because we are not big enough to get a BK.

And you still did not answer my questions/request...

I think that 10+ bosses, PvP & BKs are more then good enough endgame for a 14 month old game. Look at my last post @ why there is no more.

 

Again you are talking about endgame even though you haven't even seen it!!! Unbeliavable..

Maybe you don't understand what is "fun" in endgame but the fact that you don't understand it, doesn't make other players opinions invalid.

For me I like endgame because everyone basically has the same tools, and it's your SKILL that makes you better than most, not the fact that you have 10 levels higher character. Also higher level characters usually have more skills, attributes, gear etc. which makes gameplay more challenging.

I remember Erling Ellingsen saying before launch that in AoC the real game starts after max level. Of course he was lying as usual but I was really hoping AoC would have been a game like that.

Funcom clearly put most of its resources in developing Tortage. Rest of Hyboria was put together in a hurry and it really shows. I wish they had first developed endgame and then the other stuff. Players can endure boring lower levels if they know something amazing is coming once they get to higher levels.

 

What, Bill, did you just join yesterday just so you can say he hasn't experienced endgame? I myself don't really care about endgame because im only lvl 36 still have 44 levels to go, and im taking my time, I don't sit at my PC all day saying "ZOMG i gots Tierz Thre", and why do you want endgame first, You would rather have a screwed up Tortage that wont let you leave, with endgame content? Endgame is level 80 that's one level, The rest questing, grinding are 79 levels.

 

Oh man.. you do realize that this is a unofficial AoC FORUM, not the GAME itself, right? My join date does not equal my level in AoC. If you do not understand the difference, then you need help. I joined only recently because I tend to avoid forums because of all the low-lives that live here.

Actually I'm more experienced in AoC than most "experts" here. I've been playing on/off since early beta and I've seen the evolution of AoC.

You seem to be what me and my guild calls a "pve noob". No offence. You like running around in Tortage, looking at the pretty trees and smelling the flowers. I'm looking for something else. I'm looking for massive, competitive, endgame pvp. AoC does not deliver that, which is the reason why most pvp guilds quit. Only pvp guilds left are ganking guilds and I want no part in that.

PvE noob? Really, well ive been playing as long as you have "Buddy" on and off I had a PvP guild on Stormrage so dont you DARE say Im a PvE noob.

Toth Amon raid content (wing 3) is to be included in 1.6 update forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showpost.php

Looking at October possibly.

Until there there will the other things mentioned above in previous post.

There is more focus on balance, PvP (towers), group instances and dungeons to come too.

Funcom deem other area's more important first, from taking in feedback from all sources, and taking in to consideration and prioritizing those in to implementation. IE: overall bigger picture. (including those that would class themselves hardcore as well as those that would classify themselves in to the casual player.)

On a side note about performance issues in raids and sieges there is and has been open clarification on the issues seen since the very last patch especially: forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showpost.php

Acknowledgement of issues and plan in place to rectify these issues are undoubtedly underway. Much like when the open invitation was issued to guilds who would like to join devs for raid testing feedback on the test servers from which good things came about.

1.6 will also bring more meaningful PvP in to the game: forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showpost.php

Lets say 1.6 goes on Test Server mid to late August, it will be a big patch too, this time around it might be a 2 month wait, or even sooner for some components of the patch as previously seen. Which is also sticking to the fact that focus is on quicker updates.

The question really is, is the plan of action going to appeal to a wider audience based on the overall feedback from everyone and how does it affect those people it currently is...

One thing for sure is that the essentials of the core of the game have been improved, now is the time for content.

Originally posted by Destiny2010

Originally posted by badboybill

Originally posted by Destiny2010

"very little endgame.."

Please, define "endgame" and "very little"

Compared to what? WOW as of 14 months? WOW as of today? Average MMO? Average MMO that is less then 14 months old?

I have no trouble with endgame, maybe because I`m not 80 yet, because I`m a casual player that plays a few hours every week.
And as far as I know, new raids are coming this fall, maybe not with next patch (since next patch is still 1,05,X) but with 1,06 I belive its planned to come out.

EDIT: And I do belive that endgame is delayed because of the problems with the game the last 10 months, and the fixing fo these. Now that it`s done endgame and further is coming ever closer.

 Yes many seem obsessed with endgame in all MMO's.  I for one enjoy the journey much more than than the end. As i have stated before the genre is MMORPG but many dont want the RPG part.  As ive read a little farther in this thread i see it mentioned that endgame should have been the first priority, i dont think endgame should have been ignored i just wish the entire game had been finished at release. That way the endgame could have been implemented as the game went along.

You are talking about endgame but haven't even get there yet?

There are MMO's where the real game actually starts at max level. AoC is not that kind of game. Why do you think all those hundreds of hardcore pvp guilds quit once they saw endgame? You will see it for yourself once you get there. Meanwhile please stop talking about AoC endgame because you know nothing about it.

 

The reason why I`m not 80 is because I don`t play as much as before, and I enjoy leveling so much anyway. I got tiered of the "endgame" things back in WOW (2004-Dec 2006), but not gonna go into that right now. I have been playing since december, and I have seen every new change that has been done, so my impression is beyond what a guy that went 1-80 in July 2008 has. I have never understodd why endgame is so "fun" and why people rush trough games to get to it. When I reach 80 sometime I`m gonna cap some of those towers (if they have made it in by then) with my guild and enyoy that because we are not big enough to get a BK.

And you still did not answer my questions/request...

I think that 10+ bosses, PvP & BKs are more then good enough endgame for a 14 month old game. Look at my last post @ why there is no more.

Cant really argue with Badboybill on this one im afraid. The endgame pve and pvp sucked so bad after release most credible guilds just left. The problem is I found out nothing had actually improved much after resubbing.

Avery you keep posting stuff all the time on here which is upcomming soon etc......When it does eventually arrive its just as lame, broken and boring as the rest of the content.

AoC tries to be the jack of all trades, but ends up being the master of none. Its PvE, PvP, Crafting & Enonomy are some of the worst aspects I have played in any game. In my opinion they can never be rectified in a game which core is broken. 

But as Ive always said, If you like the game good on you.....personally i tend to set my sights a little higher. 

Does anyone know, since this kind of content  has not been added to the game yet, are they saving it for EXpack and are they planning to charge for the expac, if they do charge for the expac i could see it hurting them as some players already felt abused by funcom but just love the story and lore from Conan. I really hope funcom does the right thing and just patches it in to make up for all the players paying for so many months to test thier game. What seems even worse is if they are goin to charge for expac, this whole, "come back for free if you had a sub" gimic was really just tryin to push for higher expac sells(what company wouldnt want that) but the new guy heading the game at least has me fooled from his interviews if that is the case. 

If I were an eager player of AoC, I can't really say I'd look forward for more content because of a simple reason. Everything that gets implemented is completely borked in the first few months anyway. I mean, for one year sieges are still the bane and the ultimate shame for AoC and the same old Tier 1 and Tier 2 raids are after one year yet again revisited with yet again new tactics that players must yet again re-learn from scratch. I can only fear the worst when tier 3 raid content and some more complex things will be added. Just imagine an expansion pack with a new class. Oh my...

Oh, and I see that Avery defends the prolonged existence of the current content, because supposedly the majority of players don't have it on farm yet. I guess he would find the ultimate explanation (or excuse) if we don't see tier 3 for another year.

Originally posted by Lobbyboy69

Cant really argue with Badboybill on this one im afraid. The endgame pve and pvp sucked so bad after release most credible guilds just left. The problem is I found out nothing had actually improved much after resubbing.

Avery you keep posting stuff all the time on here which is upcomming soon etc......When it does eventually arrive its just as lame, broken and boring as the rest of the content.

AoC tries to be the jack of all trades, but ends up being the master of none. Its PvE, PvP, Crafting & Enonomy are some of the worst aspects I have played in any game. In my opinion they can never be rectified in a game which core is broken. 

But as Ive always said, If you like the game good on you.....personally i tend to set my sights a little higher. 

Actually, I can argue with badboybill, and you as well. Badboybill argues there is no endgame. He asserts that the game should really start after max level since everyone would have the same tools so it would be "skill" somehow. Games don't work that way. No one ever has the same tools. He seems to be looking for endgame pvp. Pvp is what you make it. Want a huge battle? Organize one. Or I suppose you could stroll through forums and bitch that no one held your hand and created events for you. Badboy describes himself as a "hardcore" player.... they're alll video games buddy, playing them makes you the absolute antithesis of hardcore

As for Lobbyboy69, the pve and pvp are fine. Crafting has been improving but was never intended to be a focus in the game so I'm not entirely sure where you get the idea it was ever meant to be a big part of AoC. The economy really has more to with the players than anything else. He claims the game is broken at it's core. That's just a baseless assertion. The game is fine.

If you don't like the game, fine.... go elsewhere. I prefer a little better class of player.

I've played beta, EA, live, and not this "on and off" crap. I'm talking REAL experience.

Originally posted by Metza

Does anyone know, since this kind of content  has not been added to the game yet, are they saving it for EXpack and are they planning to charge for the expac, if they do charge for the expac i could see it hurting them as some players already felt abused by funcom but just love the story and lore from Conan. I really hope funcom does the right thing and just patches it in to make up for all the players paying for so many months to test thier game. What seems even worse is if they are goin to charge for expac, this whole, "come back for free if you had a sub" gimic was really just tryin to push for higher expac sells(what company wouldnt want that) but the new guy heading the game at least has me fooled from his interviews if that is the case. 

Short story: Nothing that is meant to come out before expansion is being held back on purpose. It just takes time, cause of all problems after launch, so it was downprioritized to get a solid foundation laid down firsthand. When Age of Conan shipped, the launch team separated into two teams; live & expansion. They have worked on different stuff ever since (as far as I know)

Expansion will come when its ready, meanwhile live team will patch in new raids in the coming months.

well its look like im going to be sitting my full Tier 2 gear for another 3months when we have a nearly fully  t2 out raid force when we get rot for 90% of the nite.

and you noticed how  quickly wing 3 was cleared, 2 weeks it was already  being farmed? why cause the boss  Resuse the same dam core game theory  concepts from tier 1, Add control

10 out the  13 bosses  focus on add control....

and may  i add that PUG RAIDS ARE CLEARING ALL of BRC

Avery stated (out of his ass again, ofc) that supposedly the majority of players are not farming tier 2 raids or are not even level 80 yet. But after reading the global chat for 5 minutes you can see pugs forming for every possible raid dungeon. That doesn't even happen in WoW (at least not for Ulduar 25). After 15 months it is safe to assume that AoC players are doing tier 2 raids with their eyes closed. And suggesting that players do not have tier 2 on farm yet after FIFTEEN months can only mean that Avery is underestimating the playerbase to a hypocritical degree.

Seriously, pugs for the endgame raid content means that the game really needs more content and, possibly, more difficult bosses. And when sieges are broken (and they are), players can only do PvE raids anyway.

Originally posted by Krewel

Avery stated (out of his ass again, ofc) that supposedly the majority of players are not farming tier 2 raids or are not even level 80 yet. But after reading the global chat for 5 minutes you can see pugs forming for every possible raid dungeon. That doesn't even happen in WoW (at least not for Ulduar 25). After 15 months it is safe to assume that AoC players are doing tier 2 raids with their eyes closed. And suggesting that players do not have tier 2 on farm yet after FIFTEEN months can only mean that Avery is underestimating the playerbase to a hypocritical degree.

Seriously, pugs for the endgame raid content means that the game really needs more content and, possibly, more difficult bosses. And when sieges are broken (and they are), players can only do PvE raids anyway.

You do realise your kinda spinning things a bit mate. I'd also like to point out dozens and dozens of people with given feedback NOT to make bosses harder. Heck there are several large threads on the test server forums about it.

When I state about the majority of players at this point in time are under 80 I have two things with this. AoC.yg.com and what the game director tells us. What do you have? an over blown, over proportioned statement suggesting that everyone is raiding on 5 mins of chat. Nice. I am seeing Craig tell us this, and I believe the guy, and we have some metrics from the database site.

Sorry but everything from in game time, to forums, to pm's, to hardcore different mechanic players (PVP and Raiders) points to that raiding is not as popular as you seem to make it own to be. I am in a position where there is a lot of contact with the community and all I am saying is no everyone does not have Tier 2 on farm status I am sharing that truthfully from experience that is all.

Do I see people asking for raids / PUGs. Yep it is popular because maybe it can be fun?

Do you have Tier 2 fully fleshed out?

I know I don't :)

Part of that is from the borked structure of raids in the past.

Look the OP is a raider, he loves raids, wants to see more raid content, and there is nothing wrong with that. I think that raiders should be well supported in functioning and challenging encounters where it is hard to get the goods. Some of them right now ARE to easy.

AoC is not Wow and is not WoW raids. That casual approach is there at the high end, and is becoming more popular.

I am confident that the average AoC player doesn't have hours to do a raid.

Oh really? What is there to do at endgame if not doing the exact same thing that you do in WoW (since AoC is a complete copy of it), only with much less content? You have raids and you have 3+ months of grinding pvp xp to get to level 5 and that's it. There are also sieges but since Funcom doesn't take that part of the game seriously, obviously players don't either. Sure, when Apocalypse comes, there will be lots to do in AoC, but until then there's BRC and mini games till your eyes pop out.

And Morrison telling us what the true state of the game is by informing us the majority of players are not even 80 yet? 'Cuz FC never lied to us before, right?

The yellow gremlin database shows that people prefer to grind pve epix more than grinding pvp levels, and that includes the best pvp guilds. That alone proves the fact that a pvp player won't find a suitable home in AoC at lvl 80, not for a long time (maybe in 1.6, but that isn't even on testlive yet).

Mind telling what this "casual" approach at endgame might be, or for that matter, at mid-game? Standing in Old Tarantia and spouting proverbial nonsense global (oh wait, they do that already). WoW has long ago found many ways to satiate this casual approach to endgame, especially with WotLK, but can't really see what AoC has done in those terms. Collecting social pets and vanity gear? A poor attempt to copy WoW, at best.

Originally posted by Krewel

Oh really? What is there to do at endgame if not doing the exact same thing that you do in WoW (since AoC is a complete copy of it), only with much less content? You have raids and you have 3+ months of grinding pvp xp to get to level 5 and that's it. There are also sieges but since Funcom doesn't take that part of the game seriously, obviously players don't either. Sure, when Apocalypse comes, there will be lots to do in AoC, but until then there's BRC and mini games till your eyes pop out.

And Morrison telling us what the true state of the game is by informing us the majority of players are not even 80 yet? 'Cuz FC never lied to us before, right?

The yellow gremlin database shows that people prefer to grind pve epix more than grinding pvp levels, and that includes the best pvp guilds. That alone proves the fact that a pvp player won't find a suitable home in AoC at lvl 80, not for a long time (maybe in 1.6, but that isn't even on testlive yet).

Mind telling what this "casual" approach at endgame might be, or for that matter, at mid-game? Standing in Old Tarantia and spouting proverbial nonsense global (oh wait, they do that already). WoW has long ago found many ways to satiate this casual approach to endgame, especially with WotLK, but can't really see what AoC has done in those terms. Collecting social pets and vanity gear? A poor attempt to copy WoW, at best.

wow, the truth comes out in this post.

looks like wow invented the raid, pvp, and sieges folks...guess the mini pvp game too

and the casual approach to endgame is doing everything you do, just not 10 hours a day seven days a week.

i dont get you logic in seeing proof theres no sutable home for a lv 80 pvper in aoc...that my friend is the most insane thing youve said yet. 

Originally posted by crunchyblack

Originally posted by Krewel

Oh really? What is there to do at endgame if not doing the exact same thing that you do in WoW (since AoC is a complete copy of it), only with much less content? You have raids and you have 3+ months of grinding pvp xp to get to level 5 and that's it. There are also sieges but since Funcom doesn't take that part of the game seriously, obviously players don't either. Sure, when Apocalypse comes, there will be lots to do in AoC, but until then there's BRC and mini games till your eyes pop out.

And Morrison telling us what the true state of the game is by informing us the majority of players are not even 80 yet? 'Cuz FC never lied to us before, right?

The yellow gremlin database shows that people prefer to grind pve epix more than grinding pvp levels, and that includes the best pvp guilds. That alone proves the fact that a pvp player won't find a suitable home in AoC at lvl 80, not for a long time (maybe in 1.6, but that isn't even on testlive yet).

Mind telling what this "casual" approach at endgame might be, or for that matter, at mid-game? Standing in Old Tarantia and spouting proverbial nonsense global (oh wait, they do that already). WoW has long ago found many ways to satiate this casual approach to endgame, especially with WotLK, but can't really see what AoC has done in those terms. Collecting social pets and vanity gear? A poor attempt to copy WoW, at best.

 

wow, the truth comes out in this post.

looks like wow invented the raid, pvp, and sieges folks...guess the mini pvp game too

and the casual approach to endgame is doing everything you do, just not 10 hours a day seven days a week.

i dont get you logic in seeing proof theres no sutable home for a lv 80 pvper in aoc...that my friend is the most insane thing youve said yet. 

 

 

This game very  much follows the wow  progression of leveing, solo to the lvl x and do instance then repeat to cap.  the second the PVP has been crap in aoc and always has been since it was never full tested in beta as they told to go F off about anything about PVP hence why i havent  touch that gameplay spear of  AOC (last i hear  sieges still cuase  massive  red line and zone crashs)

Originally posted by crunchyblack

Originally posted by Krewel

Oh really? What is there to do at endgame if not doing the exact same thing that you do in WoW (since AoC is a complete copy of it), only with much less content? You have raids and you have 3+ months of grinding pvp xp to get to level 5 and that's it. There are also sieges but since Funcom doesn't take that part of the game seriously, obviously players don't either. Sure, when Apocalypse comes, there will be lots to do in AoC, but until then there's BRC and mini games till your eyes pop out.

And Morrison telling us what the true state of the game is by informing us the majority of players are not even 80 yet? 'Cuz FC never lied to us before, right?

The yellow gremlin database shows that people prefer to grind pve epix more than grinding pvp levels, and that includes the best pvp guilds. That alone proves the fact that a pvp player won't find a suitable home in AoC at lvl 80, not for a long time (maybe in 1.6, but that isn't even on testlive yet).

Mind telling what this "casual" approach at endgame might be, or for that matter, at mid-game? Standing in Old Tarantia and spouting proverbial nonsense global (oh wait, they do that already). WoW has long ago found many ways to satiate this casual approach to endgame, especially with WotLK, but can't really see what AoC has done in those terms. Collecting social pets and vanity gear? A poor attempt to copy WoW, at best.

 

wow, the truth comes out in this post.

looks like wow invented the raid, pvp, and sieges folks...guess the mini pvp game too

and the casual approach to endgame is doing everything you do, just not 10 hours a day seven days a week.

i dont get you logic in seeing proof theres no sutable home for a lv 80 pvper in aoc...that my friend is the most insane thing youve said yet. 

 

 

You don't have to be Sherlock to see AoC follows the exact same vertical line of progression as does WoW and offers almost no alternative to it. No, WoW did not invent raids, pvp and other things, I have never stated it so, but the problem is WoW has been offering constant influx of raids and pvp stuff for the last 4 years and AoC does almost nothing to actually offer some sort of an alternative to a player seeking new challenges. You have tier 1, tier 2, soon (one year?) there will be tier 3, etc. You have pvp levels, now there are only 5, soon there will be 10 of them. I mean, is there truly a difference?

There is no suitable place for a pvper in AoC (right now and for the last 15 months) because there is a lame system inside it called PvP XP, which means grinding players at graveyard for 3+ months in order to reach pvp level 5 for one set of pvp gear for your class. Vanilla WoW had that with the ranking system where players had to stay online for 6hr per day, ganking each other's asses until someone reached grand marshal or warlord and got the best stuff possible. In AoC you only have a couple of mini games to gain pvp xp, otherwise it's ganking in Kheshatta or Commons District.

For a game that boasted to become the next best thing in guild vs guild pvp it sure offers very little, especially considering the fact that sieges are after 15 months not only completely broken, but also not worthy to bother about them in the long run. Ironically, WoW offers much more, which tells you a lot. Remember that promise about 1500 sets of armor in the game? Well, there is only ONE set of pvp gear in the game right now. And guess what? It does not even have set bonuses, so why is it a set in the first place?