Removed due to the reply being full of flames.

Originally posted by Neosai

Let's face it in a game with PvP focused content, the rules the devs made are nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

However, as a gamer and an active PvP gamer, I over time developed my own rules for PvP to that enjoy the experience more.  However this is mostly my ganking rule since fair fights is basically a free for all.

Here are as followed:

1.  I don't gank/pk anyone that doesn't have a fighting chance, such as a significant level difference.  However, i will gank someone higher level than me, even if it caused my death sometimes.

2.  Ganking someone fighting a mob I avoid it as much as possible, but after they are done, it is go time.

3.  I do not log off after each kill, if someone comes for revenge.  Very well.

4.  Repeated ganking of the same player is shameful to me, max twice a day per player unless they come for revenge.

5.  I do not gank with a group unless the target is in a group also.  I will gank even when out numbered, however I will probably only be able to kill one and have to run away or die from the others.

6.  No gloating or abusive language whether I win or lose.

7.  Enjoy the game.

The above are my own 7 rules of ganking, I usually don't tell people this since it is my own rule and how I enjoy the ganking part of the PvP experience.  However, lately I have seen alot of PvP'er with no self control of any sort.  I wrote this in hope of seeing how many PvP'er out there have a type of principle about how they gank.  Any sort of feed back would be apprreciated.

 

So what your saying is you just got ganked when you didnt have a fighting chance against a mob and then you rage quit....then you got ganked by the same guy in a group when you were solo, and got verbally abused?

multiple times?

My motto is this:

The Tao of the Hunt

I enjoy pkilling. While after 20 years of gaming (mostly RPGs) I always appreciate the game, of course (or why bother playing it), there is something specific that draws me continuously back to the hunt of another player.

I'm not going to attempt to play morality games with you and justify what I do. You are mature enough to read this, and I'm sure you can draw your own conclusions. I'm simply going to give you a glimpse into that which you loathe, despise and yet, are oddly curious about. All I ask is that as you read with scorn and derision, you ask yourself why you persist in applying real-world morality to the gaming world ... are you so desperate in your beliefs that you cannot accept that part of the fantasy as well?

I'm not evil by nature, certainly not in real-life. One thing you have to be careful of is disassociating the game world from the real. It's a game. Some play to roleplay, some play to be part of a community, I play to be feared. I enjoy those other aspects too, of course, but they pale in comparison to the thrill of the hunt. But if you find yourself upset in real life because you were pkilled, or displaying any other abnormal feelings or traits that give you pause while you pkill, step back, breathe deeply, and play some Tetris or something.

Does it bother your sense of reality that I'm just a normal, every-day guy, working behind a desk 50 a week and married? That I have short-cropped hair and wear collared shirts? That I have more suits than t-shirts? That I have degrees on my wall, and a group of normal friends? Ahh, you expected Charles Manson, perhaps. I wish I could help you, but I'm not wired "wrong," or anti-social, or sacrificing cats in the background to the light of red and black candles while chanting the 32nd Psalm backwards. In fact I'm listening to CNN right now, typing this, while my wife works out to the latest 'Tai Bo' tape in the living room. I'm not working out my agression on you, or emptying my "harbored angst at the world" into our shared fantasy. I simply "am." And you will deal with me, because the minute you entered this game you made your choice.

There is no honor in gaming period, regardless of what some tell you, so I won't argue whether this thing is honorable or not . I simply enjoy the heart-pounding chase, the imagined panicked look in the player's eyes as he desperately cries out for salvation and finds only a seeking blade. I thrill in the turmoil my soul enters as I smile wickedly, looting your corpse of all of your worldly possessions, while at the same time some vestige of real-world morality plays the Golden Rule game with me. And then I pouch your goods and with a rejuvenated spring in my step, begin the search for a new target worthy of my attention.

Does it bother me on some level that I've destroyed that which you worked for, that if we take it outside the boxes connected to each other that I have in some way harmed you, as you keep reminding me in between all the "fuck you's" and their ilk? No, because my alphabet, unlike yours, has 26 letters. Someone obviously forget to put the G, A, M and E in yours. I don't pity you. You made a choice to come here. I exist simply to remind you of your choice.

I won't reply to you if you ask me "why?" when you re-enter the game. I won't return your goods. I won't listen to your threats, or your promises, or your whining. You are forgotten, lest you raise my ire again, another name on a long list of people who asked the same questions you now ask. I won't give you back your imagined sense of safety that I destroyed, standing over your corpse. The online world is not all pretty pictures and safety, and I'm your tourguide inside the shadow. The laughter you hear in the night, as you flee for safety? You know who's come calling. Run or die.

I don't gloat, or taunt, nor do I brag. I simply do, and I do so with methodical, calculated precision. It's not personal, and it's not business either. It's what I enjoy. I won't rub my deed in your face after-the-fact, because you are defeated, and that crosses a line I simply don't want to cross.

Ironically, you created me. You came to my game, where PvP is law. You thought you could handle it, that the risks didn't apply to you, that your friends would protect you, that no-one would harm you because you harm no-one else, that although it said it was a PvP game, that you would be safe. You're wrong, very, very wrong. It's you I come for specifically, with enlightenment at the end of a pointed blade, with a nightmare ambush from the empty shadow, with a lesson of the harsh reality of this game written in crimson hues on the ground as you crumple for the last time.

Don't whine. Don't bitch to the game masters and admin. Don't ask me to come fulfill your sense of indignant righteousness and fair-play by dueling you, or "fighting you fair." I already did, because nothing's fair here, so everything's fair here. If you cannot defend what you have from the predator, then you don't deserve to have it.

Do not bleat at me, little sheep, for this path you chose of your own free will. You knew the wolves lurked here, you simply chose to ignore them. Well I didn't ignore you, regardless of the cloak of illusion you cast about yourself as you seek your place in this world.

- A Shriner, written for ArcticMUD circa 1992

www.etherealdawn.net/forum/index.php

Originally posted by jamisz

Originally posted by Neosai

Let's face it in a game with PvP focused content, the rules the devs made are nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

However, as a gamer and an active PvP gamer, I over time developed my own rules for PvP to that enjoy the experience more.  However this is mostly my ganking rule since fair fights is basically a free for all.

Here are as followed:

1.  I don't gank/pk anyone that doesn't have a fighting chance, such as a significant level difference.  However, i will gank someone higher level than me, even if it caused my death sometimes.

2.  Ganking someone fighting a mob I avoid it as much as possible, but after they are done, it is go time.

3.  I do not log off after each kill, if someone comes for revenge.  Very well.

4.  Repeated ganking of the same player is shameful to me, max twice a day per player unless they come for revenge.

5.  I do not gank with a group unless the target is in a group also.  I will gank even when out numbered, however I will probably only be able to kill one and have to run away or die from the others.

6.  No gloating or abusive language whether I win or lose.

7.  Enjoy the game.

The above are my own 7 rules of ganking, I usually don't tell people this since it is my own rule and how I enjoy the ganking part of the PvP experience.  However, lately I have seen alot of PvP'er with no self control of any sort.  I wrote this in hope of seeing how many PvP'er out there have a type of principle about how they gank.  Any sort of feed back would be apprreciated.

 

So what your saying is you just got ganked when you didnt have a fighting chance against a mob and then you rage quit....then you got ganked by the same guy in a group when you were solo, and got verbally abused?

 

multiple times?

You again? Do you even read? I mean I know you can type and spell, but you can't read it seems.

Edit: Oh and btw are you with the PvP guild Ragequit?  I kill Ragequit members quite a bit in various MMORPG, you sound like one of them.

LOL now thats whats up Stayontarget ^^

Originally posted by stayontarget

My motto is this:

The Tao of the Hunt

I enjoy pkilling. While after 20 years of gaming (mostly RPGs) I always appreciate the game, of course (or why bother playing it), there is something specific that draws me continuously back to the hunt of another player.

I'm not going to attempt to play morality games with you and justify what I do. You are mature enough to read this, and I'm sure you can draw your own conclusions. I'm simply going to give you a glimpse into that which you loathe, despise and yet, are oddly curious about. All I ask is that as you read with scorn and derision, you ask yourself why you persist in applying real-world morality to the gaming world ... are you so desperate in your beliefs that you cannot accept that part of the fantasy as well?

I'm not evil by nature, certainly not in real-life. One thing you have to be careful of is disassociating the game world from the real. It's a game. Some play to roleplay, some play to be part of a community, I play to be feared. I enjoy those other aspects too, of course, but they pale in comparison to the thrill of the hunt. But if you find yourself upset in real life because you were pkilled, or displaying any other abnormal feelings or traits that give you pause while you pkill, step back, breathe deeply, and play some Tetris or something.

Does it bother your sense of reality that I'm just a normal, every-day guy, working behind a desk 50 a week and married? That I have short-cropped hair and wear collared shirts? That I have more suits than t-shirts? That I have degrees on my wall, and a group of normal friends? Ahh, you expected Charles Manson, perhaps. I wish I could help you, but I'm not wired "wrong," or anti-social, or sacrificing cats in the background to the light of red and black candles while chanting the 32nd Psalm backwards. In fact I'm listening to CNN right now, typing this, while my wife works out to the latest 'Tai Bo' tape in the living room. I'm not working out my agression on you, or emptying my "harbored angst at the world" into our shared fantasy. I simply "am." And you will deal with me, because the minute you entered this game you made your choice.

There is no honor in gaming period, regardless of what some tell you, so I won't argue whether this thing is honorable or not . I simply enjoy the heart-pounding chase, the imagined panicked look in the player's eyes as he desperately cries out for salvation and finds only a seeking blade. I thrill in the turmoil my soul enters as I smile wickedly, looting your corpse of all of your worldly possessions, while at the same time some vestige of real-world morality plays the Golden Rule game with me. And then I pouch your goods and with a rejuvenated spring in my step, begin the search for a new target worthy of my attention.

Does it bother me on some level that I've destroyed that which you worked for, that if we take it outside the boxes connected to each other that I have in some way harmed you, as you keep reminding me in between all the "fuck you's" and their ilk? No, because my alphabet, unlike yours, has 26 letters. Someone obviously forget to put the G, A, M and E in yours. I don't pity you. You made a choice to come here. I exist simply to remind you of your choice.

I won't reply to you if you ask me "why?" when you re-enter the game. I won't return your goods. I won't listen to your threats, or your promises, or your whining. You are forgotten, lest you raise my ire again, another name on a long list of people who asked the same questions you now ask. I won't give you back your imagined sense of safety that I destroyed, standing over your corpse. The online world is not all pretty pictures and safety, and I'm your tourguide inside the shadow. The laughter you hear in the night, as you flee for safety? You know who's come calling. Run or die.

I don't gloat, or taunt, nor do I brag. I simply do, and I do so with methodical, calculated precision. It's not personal, and it's not business either. It's what I enjoy. I won't rub my deed in your face after-the-fact, because you are defeated, and that crosses a line I simply don't want to cross.

Ironically, you created me. You came to my game, where PvP is law. You thought you could handle it, that the risks didn't apply to you, that your friends would protect you, that no-one would harm you because you harm no-one else, that although it said it was a PvP game, that you would be safe. You're wrong, very, very wrong. It's you I come for specifically, with enlightenment at the end of a pointed blade, with a nightmare ambush from the empty shadow, with a lesson of the harsh reality of this game written in crimson hues on the ground as you crumple for the last time.

Don't whine. Don't bitch to the game masters and admin. Don't ask me to come fulfill your sense of indignant righteousness and fair-play by dueling you, or "fighting you fair." I already did, because nothing's fair here, so everything's fair here. If you cannot defend what you have from the predator, then you don't deserve to have it.

Do not bleat at me, little sheep, for this path you chose of your own free will. You knew the wolves lurked here, you simply chose to ignore them. Well I didn't ignore you, regardless of the cloak of illusion you cast about yourself as you seek your place in this world.

- A Shriner, written for ArcticMUD circa 1992

www.etherealdawn.net/forum/index.php

Actually someone already posted the Tao of the Hunt yesterday. I tore it apart with logic every sentence.  Tao of the Hunt is written by a second rate PvP'er, who seems to have very little brain power.  You can find the thread It should be still there, my words are in orange.  It was the easiest dismemberment I ever had on a forum.

To be honest, I've never had to go looking for a fight.  As of late in a lot of the games the other players are always intent on fighting me regardless of them having a chance or not.  It's as if the longer they sit there the smaller their nuts shrink untill it gets to the point where they make the mad suicidal rush and I reduce them to a heaping pile of gore.  If a person is being particularly annoying, picking on people substantially lower level then themselves for no other reason then to be an asshole then I will corpse camp them and give them the same treatment they give others.  I don't tollerate that shit and I figure I should give them a taste of what they're doing.

So in conclusion, I don't look for pvp, it always finds me and saves me all the effort.

Illius you sound like a good PKK with a brain.  I like ya, well I sometimes I PKK and sometimes I PK, it really depends on the game and the server community.  Nice to get a decent feedback like I intended instead of brainless zombies that only knows how to copy and paste but doesn't know how to read.

I have never considered ganking to be proper PvP but I don't condemn it either.

Originally posted by Neosai

Actually someone already posted the Tao of the Hunt yesterday. I teared it apart with logic every sentence.  Tao of the Hunt is written by a second rate PvP'er, who seems to have very little brain power.  You can find the thread It should be still there, my words are in orange.  It was the easiest dismemberment I ever had on a forum.

That would be tore

"you lose the pvp forum war"

Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by Neosai

Actually someone already posted the Tao of the Hunt yesterday. I teared it apart with logic every sentence.  Tao of the Hunt is written by a second rate PvP'er, who seems to have very little brain power.  You can find the thread It should be still there, my words are in orange.  It was the easiest dismemberment I ever had on a forum.

That would be tore

"you lose the pvp forum war"

Thanks, I changed the speling.  You think I would be offended by you? LOL  I only bow down to a person with rational thinking.  This is the general forum by the way, and it is " You have lost the.. "

Correcting one mistake with two, you are beautiful.

The plot thickens!

Originally posted by Neosai

Actually someone already posted the Tao of the Hunt yesterday. I tore it apart with logic every sentence.  Tao of the Hunt is written by a second rate PvP'er, who seems to have very little brain power.  You can find the thread It should be still there, my words are in orange.  It was the easiest dismemberment I ever had on a forum.

Actually you didn't. You spouted off your opinions over a post written 17 years ago, that was  written from the standpoint of MUD games back then and not the stuff we have today.  But really, flatter yourself all you like, I don't think anyone else is going to do it.

So, basically you guys are using an idea 17 years ago to prove me wrong and are proud of yourself? *chuckle*

I am going to see if I can take this thread out, since people obviously have no intention of answer my questions seriously.

Also, you didn't read how I took it apart.  I took it apart by pointing out that the author is contradicting himself.  Whether it was for  a mud game or not doesn't matter, nor if it was 17 years old or not.   Even as an essay it was at middle school level.

"I am a vegetarian, my favorite food is steak" <-- this is basically what the author wrote in simpler form.

Edit:  Thank to Illius for his actual response to this post, and no thanks to the rest for only trying to twist my intention to suit your needs.  I suppose this still answered my question about the PvP'ers current principle.  Since they dont' answer questions, they just bash anything PvP related that doesn't have the word "kill or be killed" in it. 

See you guys in game maybe, watch your back, when the 7 rules don't apply. (except for #7)

Originally posted by Neosai

Actually someone already posted the Tao of the Hunt yesterday. I tore it apart with logic every sentence.  Tao of the Hunt is written by a second rate PvP'er, who seems to have very little brain power.  You can find the thread It should be still there, my words are in orange.  It was the easiest dismemberment I ever had on a forum.

no,you didnt. all you did was some clumsy attempts at belittling the original poster with a metric fukton of personal assumptions and carebear whines, failing to grasp the type of game he played, and the mood in which it was written.

funny to see you came back for some more failing, dont you ever get tired?

Originally posted by stayontarget

My motto is this:

The Tao of the Hunt

I enjoy pkilling. While after 20 years of gaming (mostly RPGs) I always appreciate the game, of course (or why bother playing it), there is something specific that draws me continuously back to the hunt of another player.

I'm not going to attempt to play morality games with you and justify what I do. You are mature enough to read this, and I'm sure you can draw your own conclusions. I'm simply going to give you a glimpse into that which you loathe, despise and yet, are oddly curious about. All I ask is that as you read with scorn and derision, you ask yourself why you persist in applying real-world morality to the gaming world ... are you so desperate in your beliefs that you cannot accept that part of the fantasy as well?

I'm not evil by nature, certainly not in real-life. One thing you have to be careful of is disassociating the game world from the real. It's a game. Some play to roleplay, some play to be part of a community, I play to be feared. I enjoy those other aspects too, of course, but they pale in comparison to the thrill of the hunt. But if you find yourself upset in real life because you were pkilled, or displaying any other abnormal feelings or traits that give you pause while you pkill, step back, breathe deeply, and play some Tetris or something.

Does it bother your sense of reality that I'm just a normal, every-day guy, working behind a desk 50 a week and married? That I have short-cropped hair and wear collared shirts? That I have more suits than t-shirts? That I have degrees on my wall, and a group of normal friends? Ahh, you expected Charles Manson, perhaps. I wish I could help you, but I'm not wired "wrong," or anti-social, or sacrificing cats in the background to the light of red and black candles while chanting the 32nd Psalm backwards. In fact I'm listening to CNN right now, typing this, while my wife works out to the latest 'Tai Bo' tape in the living room. I'm not working out my agression on you, or emptying my "harbored angst at the world" into our shared fantasy. I simply "am." And you will deal with me, because the minute you entered this game you made your choice.

There is no honor in gaming period, regardless of what some tell you, so I won't argue whether this thing is honorable or not . I simply enjoy the heart-pounding chase, the imagined panicked look in the player's eyes as he desperately cries out for salvation and finds only a seeking blade. I thrill in the turmoil my soul enters as I smile wickedly, looting your corpse of all of your worldly possessions, while at the same time some vestige of real-world morality plays the Golden Rule game with me. And then I pouch your goods and with a rejuvenated spring in my step, begin the search for a new target worthy of my attention.

Does it bother me on some level that I've destroyed that which you worked for, that if we take it outside the boxes connected to each other that I have in some way harmed you, as you keep reminding me in between all the "fuck you's" and their ilk? No, because my alphabet, unlike yours, has 26 letters. Someone obviously forget to put the G, A, M and E in yours. I don't pity you. You made a choice to come here. I exist simply to remind you of your choice.

I won't reply to you if you ask me "why?" when you re-enter the game. I won't return your goods. I won't listen to your threats, or your promises, or your whining. You are forgotten, lest you raise my ire again, another name on a long list of people who asked the same questions you now ask. I won't give you back your imagined sense of safety that I destroyed, standing over your corpse. The online world is not all pretty pictures and safety, and I'm your tourguide inside the shadow. The laughter you hear in the night, as you flee for safety? You know who's come calling. Run or die.

I don't gloat, or taunt, nor do I brag. I simply do, and I do so with methodical, calculated precision. It's not personal, and it's not business either. It's what I enjoy. I won't rub my deed in your face after-the-fact, because you are defeated, and that crosses a line I simply don't want to cross.

Ironically, you created me. You came to my game, where PvP is law. You thought you could handle it, that the risks didn't apply to you, that your friends would protect you, that no-one would harm you because you harm no-one else, that although it said it was a PvP game, that you would be safe. You're wrong, very, very wrong. It's you I come for specifically, with enlightenment at the end of a pointed blade, with a nightmare ambush from the empty shadow, with a lesson of the harsh reality of this game written in crimson hues on the ground as you crumple for the last time.

Don't whine. Don't bitch to the game masters and admin. Don't ask me to come fulfill your sense of indignant righteousness and fair-play by dueling you, or "fighting you fair." I already did, because nothing's fair here, so everything's fair here. If you cannot defend what you have from the predator, then you don't deserve to have it.

Do not bleat at me, little sheep, for this path you chose of your own free will. You knew the wolves lurked here, you simply chose to ignore them. Well I didn't ignore you, regardless of the cloak of illusion you cast about yourself as you seek your place in this world.

- A Shriner, written for ArcticMUD circa 1992

www.etherealdawn.net/forum/index.php

- Wall of Words Crits you for 4576 Hit Points - 

- You fall asleep

Originally posted by Neosai

Let's face it in a game with PvP focused content, the rules the devs made are nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

However, as a gamer and an active PvP gamer, I over time developed my own rules for PvP to that enjoy the experience more.  However this is mostly my ganking rule since fair fights is basically a free for all.

Here are as followed:

Hello scrub,

I'm guessing you've never played on a server with any sort of active world PvP? A server where if you go out adventuring in any sort of heavily populated zone you can almost guarantee you will be ganked at least once, and possibly a dozen times.

And guess what - all those people ganking you aren't playing by your "rules". They are higher level than you, or they have better gear. You don't stand a chance fighting against them, so all you can do is die. They will take every possible advantage against you - attacking you from stealth. Attacking whilst you are fighting mobs. Teaming up against you. Some will go out of their way to maximise your inconvenience. They will corpse camp you. They will ensure you die to NPCs so your equipment degrades. Anything. Perhaps you can call for help. But the gankers have friends as well - so all you end up doing is wasting time putting a group together and then you and all your friends still die.

Anyone playing by your "rules" in any environment with a large amount of PvP will find himself dying far far more often than he kills anyone. The only way to fight on such a server is to take advantages when you can get them. If a kill is there for the taking, you should take it. Forget about any rules of fair play - for as a great man once said - there is no fairness in love and war.

Originally posted by Antipathy

Originally posted by Neosai

Let's face it in a game with PvP focused content, the rules the devs made are nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

However, as a gamer and an active PvP gamer, I over time developed my own rules for PvP to that enjoy the experience more.  However this is mostly my ganking rule since fair fights is basically a free for all.

Here are as followed:

 

 

Hello scrub,

 

I'm guessing you've never played on a server with any sort of active world PvP? A server where if you go out adventuring in any sort of heavily populated zone you can almost guarantee you will be ganked at least once, and possibly a dozen times.

 

And guess what - all those people ganking you aren't playing by your "rules". They are higher level than you, or they have better gear. You don't stand a chance fighting against them, so all you can do is die. They will take every possible advantage against you - attacking you from stealth. Attacking whilst you are fighting mobs. Teaming up against you. Some will go out of their way to maximise your inconvenience. They will corpse camp you. They will ensure you die to NPCs so your equipment degrades. Anything. Perhaps you can call for help. But the gankers have friends as well - so all you end up doing is wasting time putting a group together and then you and all your friends still die.

 

Anyone playing by your "rules" in any environment with a large amount of PvP will find himself dying far far more often than he kills anyone. The only way to fight on such a server is to take advantages when you can get them. If a kill is there for the taking, you should take it. Forget about any rules of fair play - for as a great man once said - there is no fairness in love and war.

 

In short everyone is a bastard so you might as well be?

Is it fun to kill some one who so much lower than you are he (or she) doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell? (If you think the answer is "yes" see your shrink, you could be a latent sociopath and might go Ted Bundy at any time)

Is it fun to go out in a group to kill a lone wanderer? (Again if you think the answer is "yes" see a shrink, no really go see a shrink)

Is it fun to verbally abuse some oen you've just killed? (did you just say "yes"? *sigh* valium might work but I fear we'll need something stronger like a straight-jacker and a padded cell)

Supposedly PvP is a bout challenge; your skill against a worthy opponent. So why is it that a lot of PvP-er rush to the cap only to hang around in newbie zones to kill "teh n00b"? Why do they wander around in groups to gang up on a single player? Where's the challenge? Where's the fun?

There's a difference between "victim" and "opponent"

Originally posted by Machieltje

In short everyone is a bastard so you might as well be?

 

On such a server, you have three choices. Be a killer, be a victim, or re-roll elsewhere. The term "Bastard" may be a label you choose to apply to me. But you also chose to play on a server where PvP (i.e. ganking) is allowed. So in my view you are being a little hypocritical.

 

Did you really think that everyone else would play according to exactly the same rules you imposed on yourself?

 

Is it fun to kill some one who so much lower than you are he (or she) doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell? (If you think the answer is "yes" see your shrink, you could be a latent sociopath and might go Ted Bundy at any time)

 

You have a very odd view of PvP in MMOs. If you want "fair" play, go play an FPS.

 

Almost every battle ever fought in an MMO has been "unfair" from some perspective.

 

And no - it's not about being fun. It's about a number of things. It's about revenge. It's about making levelling and so forth just as hard for the opposite faction as it was for you. It's about denying your competitors in the game an advantage, and hence creating more space wherein your own faction can grow and prosper.

 

Is it fun to go out in a group to kill a lone wanderer? (Again if you think the answer is "yes" see a shrink, no really go see a shrink)

 

It's not something I often choose to do (often). But that doesn't change the fact that plenty of other people do so.

 

Is it fun to verbally abuse some oen you've just killed? (did you just say "yes"? *sigh* valium might work but I fear we'll need something stronger like a straight-jacker and a padded cell)

 

That's not something I personally do. However, many people do that. And I can see why. PvP, like sport, has a strong psychological element. If you can convince the opponent that he is inferior then you are already halfway to winning the next battle.

 

When the Scottish highlander's bared their backsides to the English before a battle, do you think they did so without purpose?

 

Supposedly PvP is a bout challenge; your skill against a worthy opponent. So why is it that a lot of PvP-er rush to the cap only to hang around in newbie zones to kill "teh n00b"? Why do they wander around in groups to gang up on a single player? Where's the challenge? Where's the fun?

 

Because they can. Because the rules of the game allow them to do so. If you don't like the rules, then choose another game. 

If someone invented a game where you were only allowed to attack someone within 5 levels of you, then that might create some interesting PvP. But it's not the game you're playing.

 

There's a difference between "victim" and "opponent"

 

Agreed. And if the OP played on my server, he would almost certainly be a "victim"

Originally posted by Antipathy

Originally posted by Machieltje

In short everyone is a bastard so you might as well be?

 

On such a server, you have three choices. Be a killer, be a victim, or re-roll elsewhere. The term "Bastard" may be a label you choose to apply to me. But you also chose to play on a server where PvP (i.e. ganking) is allowed. So in my view you are being a little hypocritical.

 Just to be clear: I did not choose to play on a PvP server as my PvP priciple is simple, don't do to others what you wouldn't want done to yourself. (Ryzom does not have a PvP server...) Oh and I didn't call you a bastard I just asked a question but I'll rephrase: Is it allright just because everyone else does it?

Did you really think that everyone else would play according to exactly the same rules you imposed on yourself?

 No not everyone plays by my rules nor would I want them to but some common decency and good sportsmanship would be nice...

Is it fun to kill some one who so much lower than you are he (or she) doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell? (If you think the answer is "yes" see your shrink, you could be a latent sociopath and might go Ted Bundy at any time)

 

You have a very odd view of PvP in MMOs. If you want "fair" play, go play an FPS.

 Actualy they're not so odd, yours however are. I do play an FPS if I want to PvP because I think there hasn't been an MMO that's done PvP the right way.

Almost every battle ever fought in an MMO has been "unfair" from some perspective.

 More's the pity

And no - it's not about being fun. It's about a number of things. It's about revenge. It's about making levelling and so forth just as hard for the opposite faction as it was for you. It's about denying your competitors in the game an advantage, and hence creating more space wherein your own faction can grow and prosper.

 Not about fun? Not about fun? You play a GAME and it's not about fun?

Is it fun to go out in a group to kill a lone wanderer? (Again if you think the answer is "yes" see a shrink, no really go see a shrink)

 

It's not something I often choose to do (often). But that doesn't change the fact that plenty of other people do so.

 

Is it fun to verbally abuse some oen you've just killed? (did you just say "yes"? *sigh* valium might work but I fear we'll need something stronger like a straight-jacker and a padded cell)

 

That's not something I personally do. However, many people do that. And I can see why. PvP, like sport, has a strong psychological element. If you can convince the opponent that he is inferior then you are already halfway to winning the next battle.

 I can see why it's done I just don't think it's right. Oh, and it's not for the reason you mentioned...

When the Scottish highlander's bared their backsides to the English before a battle, do you think they did so without purpose?

 The highlanders were fighting a war and losing wars tends to have inescapable consequences (btw I think the baring of backsides is a myth but that's beside the point)

Supposedly PvP is a bout challenge; your skill against a worthy opponent. So why is it that a lot of PvP-er rush to the cap only to hang around in newbie zones to kill "teh n00b"? Why do they wander around in groups to gang up on a single player? Where's the challenge? Where's the fun?

 I presume you're talking about WoW battlegrounds. In many ways, I share your concerns - since I am a person who always plays for a win in a battleground.

 I'm not talking about WoW, I'm talking about every MMO that has PvP. The arguement PvP-er use to justify PvP is because AI can never be a smart as a human and there for PvP provides more of a challenge

But the fault is in the design of the game. Have you noticed that those people who spend all their time farming easy kills are the ones who walk away with the highest rewards (i.e. honour).

 

There's a difference between "victim" and "opponent"

 

Agreed. And if the OP played on my server, he would almost certainly be a "victim".

 

And you're proud that this is the case?

 

My philosophy is a truly Scottish one, just get stuck in!

Mine are rather simple:

Be fair but be efficient. Don't engage anyone that is 3 months or younger, unless they start the battle. Know when you cut your losses and run. Be polite, even after a horrible defeat.

And most importantly remember:

"If it's blue it's you, if it's red it's dead."

Yes, this is very much an EVE Centric point of view on PvP. I don't play any other games that really focus on it (like DarkFall or anything).

It's really simple. If the developers allow player killing and a person isnt' using an exploit or hack

Anything Goes.

Does that mean I'll enjoy ganking lowbies ? Not necessarily

Will I corpse camp?  No, unless it's a griefer that has been doing it to a friend and he needs a taste of his own medicine.

Do I play for the challenge of a human opponent?  Yes

Do I trash talk? No

Do I get upset when I lose ?  Nope, not really

Do I think most pvp nowadays is a joke ?  Yep

Do I think solo PvP nowadays is a joke? Yep

Do I think people who cry about PvP'rs are a joke?  Yep

PIck a game that suits you, but don't add in any rules that aren't dictacted by the game developer's EULA. I've got enough rules to deal with in life, I don't need every retard in an MMO creating fake ones.

Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by Neosai

Actually someone already posted the Tao of the Hunt yesterday. I tore it apart with logic every sentence.  Tao of the Hunt is written by a second rate PvP'er, who seems to have very little brain power.  You can find the thread It should be still there, my words are in orange.  It was the easiest dismemberment I ever had on a forum.

 

no,you didnt. (I did) all you did was some clumsy (I speed typed it)attempts(not an attempt when you succeed) at belittling (Pointing strange points in an article is not exactly belittling) the original poster with a metric fukton(work on your units) of personal assumptions(Taking the article word by word is not assumption) and carebear (Wrong here too) whines (Didn't whine, just logic), failing to grasp the type of game he played, and the mood in which it was written. (Are you saying self contradiction are somehow okay because of mood and time? *chuckle*)

 

funny to see you came back for some more failing, dont you ever get tired? (I only get tired of people like you)

 

This is basically how I responded to the article Tao of the Hunt.  I pointed out where the autor was wrong, and also where he made strange illogical remarks.  However, there are just some parts of these that I just cannot help but make fun of, since it is completely non-sense.  Yes, if you make offensive remarks I will do the same.  You always gank people without them fighting back that is why you dont' understand it goes both ways.  A fight is more fun when you put youself at risk, nancy.

 

Moot point. Not as bad as Tao of Hunt, but completely missing the point and not replying to original post question.

P.S   Sorry to say, this carebear kills PvP and PvE player all day, however, I don't give myself a blow job everytime I kill someone in a virutal world. Nor do I even write an article full of self contradictions.

Plus, does he even understand the meaning of the word Tao.  I mean in essence? 

Tao (?) is a path, an ideal, a principle.  Usually refer to spiritual path when used in front like the author did.  (fCrap, forum doesn't let me use chinese typing)

He had about as much spiritual principle as a potato in that article and he dare use Tao?  If he is Chinese, I quit being Chinese this very moment.

I fail to see how the author contradicted himself.

He's a normal guy but in game he plays the villain.  Ok....

You assessment of his comments stating , "I'm a vegetarian but I eat meat" is not complete  you should have said

"In real life Im a vegetarian but when I am in game I am a meat-eater:" because if anything, this is what the author implied.