I've watched quite a number of "raid" video's

From what I see people just casually sit back firing arrows and spells, boss doesnt move and seems to follow a predictable pattern.

So is raiding just tank n spank?  Obviously a video doesnt reveal the whole truth.

Originally posted by sadeyx

I've watched quite a number of "raid" video's

From what I see people just casually sit back firing arrows and spells, boss doesnt move and seems to follow a predictable pattern.

So is raiding just tank n spank?  Obviously a video doesnt reveal the whole truth.

Most of the bosses in the videos you seen weren't actual raid bosses, but regular small group encounters, which I can see the mechanics of the encounter not being outrageous and requiring mass movement and such, but really, we'll have to see. The game is still fresh, tho, the end content I imagine will be beefed up before or around the time NA launches.

it maybe a fresh game to the west, but its certainly not in asia,  Reports are that it already has over 1million paying users.  Its very polished.  Doubt they would make any major changes to the content just for the west.

But I agree, those boss's dont look like raids, they still look boring tho :(

Originally posted by sadeyx

it maybe a fresh game to the west, but its certainly not in asia,  Reports are that it already has over 1million paying users.  Its very polished.  Doubt they would make any major changes to the content just for the west.

But I agree, those boss's dont look like raids, they still look boring tho :(

I would suggest researching mmo differences between asia and the US. Yes, there will be changes, Yes, the devs have stated such. Yes, there have to be, because US players are candy assed easy mode people who have been catered to by Blizzard. Die hard real gamers are getting to be a rare breed as companies go for $$ and go after the average joe.

This game will be made easy mode and have HUGE xp curve difference when it hits NA. Mark my words.

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Originally posted by sadeyx

I've watched quite a number of "raid" video's

From what I see people just casually sit back firing arrows and spells, boss doesnt move and seems to follow a predictable pattern.

So is raiding just tank n spank?  Obviously a video doesnt reveal the whole truth.

As of now I'm guessing T & S, But its only 6 months old and has room for more diversity with future content.

( i'm only lvl34 on china and all my guild mates are at or low than me, so have not seen much )

Once more for accuracy's sake, there will be NO changes to the core gameplay from Korea to EU/NA. The CMs have said several times the only changes in game are flavor or language related. Most of the changes will be on the back end, billing, CS, ect.

Originally posted by Mr.Midnight

Once more for accuracy's sake, there will be NO changes to the core gameplay from Korea to EU/NA. The CMs have said several times the only changes in game are flavor or language related. Most of the changes will be on the back end, billing, CS, ect.

Can you post a link of this pls, even if in Chinese? Everything I've read from Devs state the opposite.

Originally posted by chaosngn

Originally posted by Mr.Midnight

Once more for accuracy's sake, there will be NO changes to the core gameplay from Korea to EU/NA. The CMs have said several times the only changes in game are flavor or language related. Most of the changes will be on the back end, billing, CS, ect.

 

Can you post a link of this pls, even if in Chinese? Everything I've read from Devs state the opposite.

 

I would like to see where you read it being the opposite. I've read that core game won't be changed. Changes are pretty much translation and backend.

I uploaded two pictures of fighting a boss in fire temple. I mean a humanoid boss (female chick) and you cant sit there and fight. if you are close range malee you have to move at times if she sets down traps, because they explode in 4 seconds and it could be your death. She used strategic AOE attacks and you never know when it was going to happen, no pattern involved, you just have to keep your eyes open for it.

Bosses and Elete Mobs are two different things.

Bosses use different skills and stuff like that, but it's mostly Tank n' Spank so far, yes. Hopefully it will improve, but going by the fact that this is more of a PvP game and that the Asian developers probably aren't that experienced with challenging scripted boss encounters, we can't really expect to see any complex WoW-like bossencounters. We can still hope they will try though :)

Originally posted by chaosngn

Originally posted by Mr.Midnight

Once more for accuracy's sake, there will be NO changes to the core gameplay from Korea to EU/NA. The CMs have said several times the only changes in game are flavor or language related. Most of the changes will be on the back end, billing, CS, ect.

 

Can you post a link of this pls, even if in Chinese? Everything I've read from Devs state the opposite.

 

Post by Ayase (there are several replies in this thread by Ayase.)

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Originally Posted by Malais
Hey Ayase, still looking for an executive assistant?

Maybe you can respond to this so we can put all of the Westernization stuff in a single easily quotable post for the legions of new folks that have/will arrive between now and Q4.

Westernization will include....

Changing all the voice acting from Korean/Chinese to English(French and German too I believe)
Changing folklore related quests (ie the missing axe quest from Caion) to something more relevant to the West.
Setting up CS in a more western format.
Setting up billing/support in a more western format.(model to follow eventually)
As many patches as possible so the game will not be 1.0 when launched.
Changes to the Abyss rank(names) to better suit the western market.

Westernization will NOT include....

Changes to the core game (asmos will still be asmos and elyos will still be elyos)
Changes to the lore of the game.
Changes to the Music.
Adding new content IE new islands, or areas not in the original concept. (No new york of AION)

Feel free to correct me, but from what I've read thus far this seems like about it?

It's about right, except possibly the Abyss rank names which I don't really know about right now. They'll be reasonable. I will also add to the last point of the NOT-include list that all those kinds of things are subject to normal game improvement, patches and expansions.
 

Just the finer points of the entire discussion.

Ayase/Amboss/Liv have over and over said there will be no major changes to the game.  The above post is just 1 of the myriad of examples of them saying there will be no major changes.  You have to remember NCWest are NOT devs.  They are the publishing arm for the west.  So unless you read posts by Ayase, Amboss, or Liv, do not believe them.  (in regards to what is being changed.)

It  says nothing about xp curves, grinding, quests, etc. The definition of Core can mean many things to different people, and I believe it may mean something different to you than a developer. If you have a link stating they will in now way change any numbers or mechanics, I would be happy to take a look.

Originally posted by sadeyx

I've watched quite a number of "raid" video's

From what I see people just casually sit back firing arrows and spells, boss doesnt move and seems to follow a predictable pattern.

So is raiding just tank n spank?  Obviously a video doesnt reveal the whole truth.

Also keep in mind that the top ranked PvPer for each faction will get umber skills and will be able to transform. Making the person a raid boss.

When the player uses the special skill there will be a global msg sent out stating the fact and if you open your map his location will be marked on it for all to see.

Originally posted by chaosngn

Originally posted by sadeyx

it maybe a fresh game to the west, but its certainly not in asia,  Reports are that it already has over 1million paying users.  Its very polished.  Doubt they would make any major changes to the content just for the west.

But I agree, those boss's dont look like raids, they still look boring tho :(

 

I would suggest researching mmo differences between asia and the US. Yes, there will be changes, Yes, the devs have stated such. Yes, there have to be, because US players are candy assed easy mode people who have been catered to by Blizzard. Die hard real gamers are getting to be a rare breed as companies go for $$ and go after the average joe.

This game will be made easy mode and have HUGE xp curve difference when it hits NA. Mark my words.

 

Hellion

 

Show me some links from the dev's stating this please !!

Originally posted by chaosngn

It  says nothing about xp curves, grinding, quests, etc. The definition of Core can mean many things to different people, and I believe it may mean something different to you than a developer. If you have a link stating they will in now way change any numbers or mechanics, I would be happy to take a look. 

Ive played many Asian MMO's Aion's is very similar to perfect world in many aspects, so I wouldnt mind so much if they did reduce the XP curve. (or at least made it so that you could just quest without having to grind)

But anyway, lets presume for a moment that your right, and they do alter the XP curve.  I cant see them physically altering the AI on Raid boss's can you?

Not that Im overly botherd, if the pvp is as good and addictive as it reads to be then I wont be raiding a huge amount, but when I do I dont want to be falling asleep.

Originally posted by chaosngn

This game will be made easy mode and have HUGE xp curve difference when it hits NA. Mark my words.\

Having actually played the Chinese version of Aion I can tell you that if they made the game much easier the only thing you'd have to do is log in to become max level.

....... I'm saying it's easy.

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by chaosngn

This game will be made easy mode and have HUGE xp curve difference when it hits NA. Mark my words.\

 

Having actually played the Chinese version of Aion I can tell you that if they made the game much easier the only thing you'd have to do is log in to become max level.

....... I'm saying it's easy.

What level did you get to tho?  I mean most Asian MMO's are easy to begin with, then you tend to hit a brick wall.

Perfect world, was relativly easy upto level 60, then it was just grind.

Regarding xp curve, isn t the game already as easy or easier than wow (to lvl 80 that is). Am i the only one who has at some point read that the level cap was not that hard to achieve, even if you compare it to wow. Just trying to get the facts straight, otherwise people will be debating false information wich is a bit useless:).

Originally posted by stormious

going by the fact that this is more of a PvP game and that the Asian developers probably aren't that experienced with challenging scripted boss encounters,

I disagree.   LineageII and Guildwars were NCSoft...

Most of those were NOT tank and spank.  There were a few Raidbosses in L2 that were, but Baium, Anthras, Valakys, etc. epic bosses, were definitely not.  And that game was made by them how many years ago?  6?

Originally posted by chaosngn

It  says nothing about xp curves, grinding, quests, etc. The definition of Core can mean many things to different people, and I believe it may mean something different to you than a developer. If you have a link stating they will in now way change any numbers or mechanics, I would be happy to take a look.

 

Since you are so certain that changing loot, XP tables doesn't constitute a change to core gameplay I assume you have a post from Ayase, Amboss, or Liv stating they will be changed. Of course you don't you want to quibble over the definition of "core". If you want to believe the worst, then fine by me.

Although I find it odd that everytime a CM has made a post about localization, they have repeatedly said it includes only flavor items, making quests more "western" in their meaning, changing the language pack and things on the back end (CS and billing). In the post I linked they stated that they wouldn't even change the names of quest givers / deava lords.

As for grinding, it will be easier in the NA/EU than china (currently) because we will start with patch 1.2 (live in Korea). This patch made many tweaks to quest XP and added quite a few mid-level quests.

I can't make you believe what you refuse to. All I can do is try to counter the BS that seems to spawn on this site. There will be no major change to XP, loot, or anything even remotely related to core gameplay. Don't take my words for it, take the CM's.
 

I'd agree that westernisation changes will probably just fluff,  they 'may' do a change to the XP Curve, but I'm not botherd about that.

Point is, I think we can all agree that they wont alter the AI behind the raid's just for the west.  Since its been out for so long in Korea already there must surly be someone out there who has done a max level raid who can say what the experience was like?

Originally posted by Mr.Midnight

Once more for accuracy's sake, there will be NO changes to the core gameplay from Korea to EU/NA. The CMs have said several times the only changes in game are flavor or language related. Most of the changes will be on the back end, billing, CS, ect.

Don't you feel like an idiot for knowing everything? I told you there would be changes. I don't make statements I can't back up. I am 95% accurate on ALL of my predictions in regards to WOW for the last year. Why do you think people read my site?

So here you go again, in case you didn't catch this and it's now months later and all I did was make a correct statement, and you had to get on your high horse that just shattered:

To answer the original post in this thread: We will do what we think is necessary at this point. We will use the improvements that come with the patching and continued development of the game and match this up with things we've noticed need to be adapted to the western audience through our beta events. Some of the things you list in your post come down to personal preference, while others are just nice improvements that would benefit all Aion territories and not only us here in the west. Bear with us as we're simply trying to as much as we can, as soon as we can. This could mean both larger changes (character voices) or smaller changes (default templates in character creation, inverse mouse view).
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Originally posted by stayontarget

Originally posted by chaosngn

Originally posted by sadeyx

it maybe a fresh game to the west, but its certainly not in asia,  Reports are that it already has over 1million paying users.  Its very polished.  Doubt they would make any major changes to the content just for the west.

But I agree, those boss's dont look like raids, they still look boring tho :(

 

I would suggest researching mmo differences between asia and the US. Yes, there will be changes, Yes, the devs have stated such. Yes, there have to be, because US players are candy assed easy mode people who have been catered to by Blizzard. Die hard real gamers are getting to be a rare breed as companies go for $$ and go after the average joe.

This game will be made easy mode and have HUGE xp curve difference when it hits NA. Mark my words.

 

Hellion

 

 

Here you go retard. Months later:

 

To answer the original post in this thread: We will do what we think is necessary at this point. We will use the improvements that come with the patching and continued development of the game and match this up with things we've noticed need to be adapted to the western audience through our beta events. Some of the things you list in your post come down to personal preference, while others are just nice improvements that would benefit all Aion territories and not only us here in the west. Bear with us as we're simply trying to as much as we can, as soon as we can. This could mean both larger changes (character voices) or smaller changes (default templates in character creation, inverse mouse view).
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Your just and noble,
Ayase ~ Sebastian Streiffert
Community Manager

 

Show me some links from the dev's stating this please !!

Originally posted by Mr.Midnight

Originally posted by chaosngn

It  says nothing about xp curves, grinding, quests, etc. The definition of Core can mean many things to different people, and I believe it may mean something different to you than a developer. If you have a link stating they will in now way change any numbers or mechanics, I would be happy to take a look.

 

 

Since you are so certain that changing loot, XP tables doesn't constitute a change to core gameplay I assume you have a post from Ayase, Amboss, or Liv stating they will be changed. Of course you don't you want to quibble over the definition of "core". If you want to believe the worst, then fine by me.

Although I find it odd that everytime a CM has made a post about localization, they have repeatedly said it includes only flavor items, making quests more "western" in their meaning, changing the language pack and things on the back end (CS and billing). In the post I linked they stated that they wouldn't even change the names of quest givers / deava lords.

As for grinding, it will be easier in the NA/EU than china (currently) because we will start with patch 1.2 (live in Korea). This patch made many tweaks to quest XP and added quite a few mid-level quests.

I can't make you believe what you refuse to. All I can do is try to counter the BS that seems to spawn on this site. There will be no major change to XP, loot, or anything even remotely related to core gameplay. Don't take my words for it, take the CM's.
 

 

Here you go know it all. I forgot. You work in the MMO industry, right?

 

To answer the original post in this thread: We will do what we think is necessary at this point. We will use the improvements that come with the patching and continued development of the game and match this up with things we've noticed need to be adapted to the western audience through our beta events. Some of the things you list in your post come down to personal preference, while others are just nice improvements that would benefit all Aion territories and not only us here in the west. Bear with us as we're simply trying to as much as we can, as soon as we can. This could mean both larger changes (character voices) or smaller changes (default templates in character creation, inverse mouse view).
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Ayase ~ Sebastian Streiffert
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Originally posted by stormious

Bosses use different skills and stuff like that, but it's mostly Tank n' Spank so far, yes. Hopefully it will improve, but going by the fact that this is more of a PvP game and that the Asian developers probably aren't that experienced with challenging scripted boss encounters, we can't really expect to see any complex WoW-like bossencounters. We can still hope they will try though :)

don't think wow has that complex encounters. most are just scripted and do 1 thing over and over again their is no variation