Originally posted by LordDraekon

Originally posted by arrius2410

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Meh, another theme park where your progression runs on rails in a very narrow world.  The scenery is gorgeous until you realize that you can't actually go to a lot of those places that you can see. Nothing for explorers here.

Replayability is minimal since every character you create is going to take the same dull ride as the one before. In fact, both factions have essentially  the same quests with the only differences being names and the mobs involved. It's soloable until about level 18 when forced grouping hits you in the face like a bucket of ice water. From that point, you can either group or grind the same boring mobs over and over.

However, you  can make some very pretty characters. Still, if you love shallow PvP and forced grouping, you might be happy here, that is, if you can find enough like-mindeds to play with six months after release.

 I don't understand it, if you don't want groups and want to play alone doing quests, then why not just play a single player game. Also about the shallow PvP, which game today has better PvP to offer? In my opinion, this game has huge potential, alright it might have some invisible walls but for it just being 1.0 beta it sure delivered.

I didn't see any grinding problems when going from 1-19 in 18 hours just from quests. Plus since I had friends that were playing with me, group quests where no problem but I am sure when the game comes out, more people will play it thus solving this problem.

 

 

Gods, not that old saw again! The reasons why people may enjoy playing these games without grouping or PvP have been stated over and over in numerous forum posts on countless websites, yet some of you just can't factor it into your myopic view of how things should be.

I've also been around the block a few times and have heard the "it's beta" garbage until I'm ill. Beginning with my first beta, which was Horizons, people like you have been pointing to some unseen patch that will make everything better after release. These fixes never seem to materialize and the game you're playing on the last day of beta is essentially the same thing you'll play at release. So, if you're happy, then you'll be okay. But don't try to convince the undecided that there's some miracle patch around the corner. It's never happened.

Shallow PvP? You have just completely discredited yourself. No one will take your post seriously now because your intentions or far too obvious.

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Originally posted by arrius2410

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Meh, another theme park where your progression runs on rails in a very narrow world.  The scenery is gorgeous until you realize that you can't actually go to a lot of those places that you can see. Nothing for explorers here.

Replayability is minimal since every character you create is going to take the same dull ride as the one before. In fact, both factions have essentially  the same quests with the only differences being names and the mobs involved. It's soloable until about level 18 when forced grouping hits you in the face like a bucket of ice water. From that point, you can either group or grind the same boring mobs over and over.

However, you  can make some very pretty characters. Still, if you love shallow PvP and forced grouping, you might be happy here, that is, if you can find enough like-mindeds to play with six months after release.

 I don't understand it, if you don't want groups and want to play alone doing quests, then why not just play a single player game. Also about the shallow PvP, which game today has better PvP to offer? In my opinion, this game has huge potential, alright it might have some invisible walls but for it just being 1.0 beta it sure delivered.

I didn't see any grinding problems when going from 1-19 in 18 hours just from quests. Plus since I had friends that were playing with me, group quests where no problem but I am sure when the game comes out, more people will play it thus solving this problem.

 

 

Gods, not that old saw again! The reasons why people may enjoy playing these games without grouping or PvP have been stated over and over in numerous forum posts on countless websites, yet some of you just can't factor it into your myopic view of how things should be.

I've also been around the block a few times and have heard the "it's beta" garbage until I'm ill. Beginning with my first beta, which was Horizons, people like you have been pointing to some unseen patch that will make everything better after release. These fixes never seem to materialize and the game you're playing on the last day of beta is essentially the same thing you'll play at release. So, if you're happy, then you'll be okay. But don't try to convince the undecided that there's some miracle patch around the corner. It's never happened.

May be if you have taken some time and search Aion Source you would have seen that the patch exists.

www.aionsource.com/forum/news-announcements/21606-new-heroic-weapons-version-1-5-pics-included.html

The biggest question I have about this game is if there is anything to do once I get to the level cap?  Will this game be a one monther? Or does it have the longevity to keep a player interested for the longterm with end game content or something like that.  Which is the whole point of having a subscription game ya?

Originally posted by natuxatu

 

Shallow PvP? You have just completely discredited yourself. No one will take your post seriously now because your intentions or far too obvious.

Shallow. As in, "everything that doesn't look like me equals enemy".  If you're not in a group, you're gank fodder. To me, that's shallow. Your mileage may vary. I'm not sure what intentions are "obvious" to you and I don't really care. You don't know me, nor do you know my intentions, if I really had any other than to offer my perspective after a couple of weekend events.

Have a nice day.

Originally posted by Ngeldu5t

May be if you have taken some time and search Aion Source you would have seen that the patch exists.

www.aionsource.com/forum/news-announcements/21606-new-heroic-weapons-version-1-5-pics-included.html

Whee! More shinies, pretty much like the rest of the game! Yeah, I've read about the patch. What about it makes you think that it will address the linear nature of the gameplay and offer anything other than "more of the same" that we have already seen? As I said, if you're happy with the game in its current state, you'll be happy at release. But don't try to convince others with a different viewpoint that somehow this patch will make the game more palatable to those of us who are unimpressed.

I wanted to like this game, but it's just more of the same in a very pretty wrapper.

Johm you can come up with better questions, like  " how will Aion be different from lineage 2's over bot populated gold selling scheme ?"

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Originally posted by natuxatu

 

Shallow PvP? You have just completely discredited yourself. No one will take your post seriously now because your intentions or far too obvious.

 

Shallow. As in, "everything that doesn't look like me equals enemy".  If you're not in a group, you're gank fodder. To me, that's shallow. Your mileage may vary. I'm not sure what intentions are "obvious" to you and I don't really care. You don't know me, nor do you know my intentions, if I really had any other than to offer my perspective after a couple of weekend events.

Have a nice day.

First of all, I don't know why you mention that you've been around the block because it seems that you haven't or else you would know how good this game for a beta is. I come from Warhammer online and let me tell you that any game that offers keep takes or large scale pvp without lag is AMAZING. Seconds, if you've been around the block, you would know that pretty much any pvp game will have ganking, its gank or be ganked unless there are scenarios and even in them, difference in levels results in slaughter. So I don't know what your talking about equal enemy.

I have played the game, as well and there is no real grind, people are going to stereotype it because of who the developer is and what region it was primarily developed in. The game is very comparable to western MMO's such as LOTRO, and WoW in terms of quests and progression. It is a gorgeous game, and a fun one at that.

So tired of WOW i hope this game would keep me entertained for a while.  No game ever launch since WOW ever hold my interest for more than a 2-3 months.

"GRIND" ok no you have not had it at all. Because you never hit 28-30+ Thats when it kicks in. There is SO much that has not been talked about. Ask about DEATH. Ask about the cost of 5+ deaths.  In some MMO's you dont have a rift that opens up and you get jumped by the other side "PVP". You cant run from it.. you cant just TURN OFF PVP.. lol so you stand there and just die EVERYTIME or you fight back.. jump through and go at it!

Two sides.. and BOTH are so much the same its unreal. You will ALWAYS have only ONE starting area so if you love to play more than one TOON its going to get very boring fast.

The maps are very small. You can never get lost. You just follow the road and it will ALWAYS take you to where you need to go.

AH, broker.. you will NOT find tons of different armor , weapons for each level.. you will be lucky if theres just two.

They dont tell you... QUESTS.. you need to kill this and that.. so does everyone else.. BUT.. both of you can attack the same target and who ever does the MOST DAMAGE gets the kill .. xp and loot. There is NO KILL STEALING.. this is the way the game is. So dont get upset if someone comes along and takes your kill.. thats part of the game and has not.. will not change.. lol they dont talk about that..

Find where people have PLAYED the kor, china all the way up and see what they say. The game is alot different after level 20. You cant just SOLO your way .. they leave out so much. And unless you grind here and there you will run out of quests at times. But thats like some mmos.

Its not a HARDCORE MMO.. its not harder than WOW.. is basicly a PVP game.

ive experienced some grind and ive noticed if you dont kill plenty you will start to struggle for quest xp, its not bothered me too much becouse we are playing a older version and the 1.5 is filled out a bit more.

But Baggs(a few posts up) makes some very good points, and id like to see a european dedicated team instead of playing second fiddle to korea and following there route, it would be great to see the western version be more a-tuned to western players.

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Originally posted by natuxatu

 

Shallow PvP? You have just completely discredited yourself. No one will take your post seriously now because your intentions or far too obvious.

Shallow. As in, "everything that doesn't look like me equals enemy".  If you're not in a group, you're gank fodder. To me, that's shallow. Your mileage may vary. I'm not sure what intentions are "obvious" to you and I don't really care. You don't know me, nor do you know my intentions, if I really had any other than to offer my perspective after a couple of weekend events.

Have a nice day.

Funny, I consider the PvP and PvPvE concepts in this game to have been thought out very well. You actually have dynamic open world PvP resources to fight for and you call that shallow?

This is game is really for causal players.... People complaint no quests left to do??  I just don't get it.  At level 31 in 1.1 version, I have to give up so many quests because I out leveled the quests or can't find peopel to do it due to different time zone (US vs China time), so still have no idea how they don't have enough quests to do... maybe because they died too many times all the xp they gain from quests turn into 0.  Even with cure soul, you still loss a little bit xp unless you reach a new level.  Some of the quests are hidden, I finsh a quest somewhere else then open up more quests in a different zone.  It's all about explore and check NPC to find quests yourself.  It's not like some MMO has a HUGE sign point at NPC "Click me!  click me"

If peopel compare Rune of magic or Perfect world to Aion, please don't waste your time.  I tried both games, both are ok, but there is no comparesion to Aion.  If you like Rune of Magic, you should go to play FFXI or even WoW, because FFXI is 100 times better then Rune of Magic and WOW is about 50 times better then it.  Perfect world is (IMO) just a joke.

Again, Aion is not perfect, there are something I hate about it, too.  Other then FFXIV, Aion is my next choice of game before FFXIV.

I have played in the last 2 betas and have my game preordered.  I come from the EQ1 Grinding days, and the easy mode WoW days. I have gotten to the Cap at 25 this weekend.

IMO the quests dont give enough exp to even bother doing them.  I consider myself a hardcore gamer, by that i mean i can sit and play for well over 6+ hours at a time.  The first 10 levels were cake, quests were easy and it basicly taught you the game.  From 10 on it was a bit different.  My friends and I just thought about the time we spent running around clicking rocks or picking herbs, killing mobs in some remote location all to give you a reward of 18k exp......  When you  get 2-4k a KILL.

Why in the hell would i trek 20mins back and forth for 18k EXP!?!?  I can get that in 4 kills that takes 2 minutes.  What they NEED to do is BOOST the exp per quest turn in.  The ONLY quests that give good exp are the main storyline quests.   All of the side quests are almost completely worthless.

Im not calling this game grinding at all, Im just saying that if you were to level 1-25 purely questing vs 1-25 straight grind.  The person that GRINDS will blow away the quester.

This IMO is the biggest issue i have with AION at the moment, and even so its not a big one b/c i dont mind killing the same spiders for 10 hours straight.

Oh and i forgot to mention many of the quests from about 15+ are repeatable quests. And you guessed it, give crap exp.  BOOST EXP FOR QUESTS PLEASE

Grind has almost nothing to do with quests.  Unless the mobs/world is interesting or different enough from the last one (i.e no boars that we can see in just about every other zone) then only an absolutely awesome storyline (Lotro) will reduce the grind.  Making better stories for quests does not stop the grind, it's interesting use of ingame mechanics and interesting fights.

anyway the game sounds pretty good so far, though the world does not seem all that appealing to me.  Still i shall await the player reviews in November before jumping into this one.

if your not into PVP dont bother.   While the PVE aspect of this game is good and the character models are wonderful, as soon as you hit 25 you will be subjected to PVP whether you like it or not.   Its sad too cause its a really beautiful game.

Originally posted by dkzero

Originally posted by LordDraekon

Meh, another theme park where your progression runs on rails in a very narrow world.  The scenery is gorgeous until you realize that you can't actually go to a lot of those places that you can see. Nothing for explorers here.

Replayability is minimal since every character you create is going to take the same dull ride as the one before. In fact, both factions have essentially  the same quests with the only differences being names and the mobs involved. It's soloable until about level 18 when forced grouping hits you in the face like a bucket of ice water. From that point, you can either group or grind the same boring mobs over and over.

However, you  can make some very pretty characters. Still, if you love shallow PvP and forced grouping, you might be happy here, that is, if you can find enough like-mindeds to play with six months after release.

 

Wow, every post you make is dripping with so much douchebaggery it makes me sick.  You don't like grouping? Go play a single player game.  You don't like getting ganked?  Go play a single player game.  You have to come up with ridiculous arguments as to why you want to play a massively MULTIPLAYER game by yourself? Go play a single player game.  You want to be an explorer?  Go to a state park and walk around in the woods.

Single-player game? Now, why didn't I think of that? Oooh, he pulled out the D-Word, sort of. What are you, twelve? If you're sociopathic attitude extends into your gaming, you're a poster child for why a lot of people hate grouping and PvP. I'm sure you know allll the ways to play the game right.
 

I gunna play Dragon Age when it comes out. That okay with you, sport?

Originally posted by eric_w66

I'm hitting a slow spot on the Elyos side at 18-19. Most of the quests I have left are all involving 4 dot Tursin's and I can't kill a level 16 4-dot at 19 as a sorcerer atm. And trying to get a group for them seems rather hard when most people don't respond or don't speak the same language (hey Dana, another reason why regional servers are good...).

Yeah but for the love of god dont put us english(UK) with the french or rest of the EU.......

Why can't people just respect each others opinions and move on? There doesn't need to be a flame war everytime someone says they dislike the game. If they dislike it and don't play it, how does this affect anyone that is going to play it, other than having one less player to play with / fight against? We get it, you love Aion and want to see it succeed. So go out and advertise the game to different media sources instead of trying to persuade someone who has already made their decision?

Personally I found the game pretty fun. After getting out of the Elyos' starting zones (Poeta and Verteron) I was pretty impressed on how big Eltnen was, and later that night my legion decided to go exploring further into Eltnen just to see what the game looked like. There were so many cool touches and unique looking monsters that are waiting in the 25-50 range. If you're interested in seeing the videos (dont mind the quality our camera man is new to it I assume), go on You Tube and search for Remnant Legion. We got most of our exploring on file but eventually he couldn't record anymore.

I wish the questionaire would have had some better questions, but maybe another site will get a chance to ask some better questions.

See some of you guys in CB5!

Aion is a revolutionary game...

I alredy played LOTRO,WOW and ROM ....

1st - don't understand how ROM can be better than any of the games that i played and Aion

To be honest, ROM it's a good game but they want for you to pay (Like 1st time I played i saw a lvl 50 player with a realy nice mount, and he awnsered "i paid for it, oh but it's permanant !!!" [ LOL ], i was like every ppl saying that the game was awsome because it was free and then i saw that everithing cool to have in the game you have to pay for it, with real money ofc xD) I think he said that he paid like 15€  or 15$ don't know it rigth now...  so finaly what i want to mean is that instead of you paying 15€ per month to play a well developed MMO you finishing paying 15€ for having a permanent mount and maybe you will pay for another itens OH and ofc IF YOU WANT TO BUY SOMETHING GOOD YOU MUST BUY DIAMONDS ... thats why i stopped....

So i dont think that Aion can EVEN be compare to ROM and, Like i said Aion he's like WOW in 09 a new and modern MMO

Alredy pre-ordered deluxe vs