I still play WOW now and then to talk to old friends and play in BG. Decided to level my pali up and play in the next pvp bracket and thought i would skill up his fishing and cooking while i was at it. I discovered the cooking quest is no longer needed to skill your cooking from 225-300. Did they do away with the fishing quest as well?  I remmeber my lock going to areas she had no right to be in just to get the fishing quests done. Very fun and exciting. Does anyone know if this quest is needed now or can one train fishing to 300 at any trainer that is near? I dont see any advantage to nerfing of all things fishing but if they did it to cooking who knows?

As far as I know, the quest is not needed to train fishing now. But it gives a nice fishing rod if you decide to do it. 

Ok thank you. It is a fun quest , and for the life of me cant figure out why they wanted the cooking quest removed . It gives people a reason to brave the barrens and shimmering sands to get to Tanaris early on.  Oh well guess things change :).

It's like when you had to do access quests to get to new zones in EQ2. People didn't like having to put a little effort into getting to a new zone so they took them out. It's the new I want everything now generation and it's getting on my nerves. I remember when you had to put alot of effort to get a mount in an mmorpg and that was the ultimate prize. Now they're giving them away.

I remember grinding leather in STV at level 39. I was skinning everything that moved to get the gold for a mount at level 40. I got one, i think it was a total of 80 gold but cant remember for sure. Felt like i had accomplished something.

They did it with all 3 of the secondary skills. you don't need the books to get from 150-225 or do the quests for 225-300. You also don't need to buy the books for various bandafge types.  I'm not sure if you need to buy the FA and cooking books for 300-375 as I haven't got that high yet on my reroll.

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Originally posted by grandpagamer

Ok thank you. It is a fun quest , and for the life of me cant figure out why they wanted the cooking quest removed . It gives people a reason to brave the barrens and shimmering sands to get to Tanaris early on.  Oh well guess things change :).

 
I think the uninitiated simply think the developer decided to dumb things down because too many people were crying. That's rarely ever the case. The simple fact is that most of these kinds of changes are metrics-based.

Every modern MMORPG has incorporated a robust metrics system at one point. These things were even worked into first gen 3D MMORPG's like EQ and DAoC. The developers can track very easily how many people do each quest, what quests are commonly done by people that go into an area, what the average quest completion rate for that area is, etc. They've been able to track these things for a long time. The fact that they've removed these things probably tells us that very few newbies were bothering.

The real question is this: do you think that greater access is necessarily better? I can't speak for anybody else, but fishing is no longer really worth the time for me. Too many people are fishing, both choking the good fishing areas and crashing the prices for most fish. Prior to the recent fishing changes (increased skill-up rate, fishing dailies, etc.), I could get pretty good gold if I watched the food market to see what was under-supplied. Far more than doing dailies. Now? No point in even bothering.

Oh well. I probably fished too much anyway, and the real reason to fish is simply to unwind, in my book. If you have nothing to do at the moment, some fishing can be nice.

Originally posted by Kurush

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Ok thank you. It is a fun quest , and for the life of me cant figure out why they wanted the cooking quest removed . It gives people a reason to brave the barrens and shimmering sands to get to Tanaris early on.  Oh well guess things change :).

 
I think the uninitiated simply think the developer decided to dumb things down because too many people were crying. That's rarely ever the case. The simple fact is that most of these kinds of changes are metrics-based.

Every modern MMORPG has incorporated a robust metrics system at one point. These things were even worked into first gen 3D MMORPG's like EQ and DAoC. The developers can track very easily how many people do each quest, what quests are commonly done by people that go into an area, what the average quest completion rate for that area is, etc. They've been able to track these things for a long time. The fact that they've removed these things probably tells us that very few newbies were bothering.

The real question is this: do you think that greater access is necessarily better? I can't speak for anybody else, but fishing is no longer really worth the time for me. Too many people are fishing, both choking the good fishing areas and crashing the prices for most fish. Prior to the recent fishing changes (increased skill-up rate, fishing dailies, etc.), I could get pretty good gold if I watched the food market to see what was under-supplied. Far more than doing dailies. Now? No point in even bothering.

Oh well. I probably fished too much anyway, and the real reason to fish is simply to unwind, in my book. If you have nothing to do at the moment, some fishing can be nice.

 

Yeah i noticed the price of cooked items while still pretty good were nothing as they were during BC. I set up my main and three alts with gold made from cooked food (mostly fish) and leather. No matter the reason, the removal of the fishing and cooking quests along with the numerous elites that are no longer elite and other nerfings do nothing to improve this game.

ill make about 400-500g everyday just selling glacial salmons/dragonfin and musselback sculpins !!

not even need to cook anything to make money, great profession really !!

I think it's just a matter of them being too time consuming to be part of the new 'faster' leveling up.   The fishing quest is pretty obscure to find (for horde players at least) and then you have to travel to 4 different zones that you probably didn't quest in yet.

Blizzard made a decision that I mostly agree with.  The fun part of the game is when you get with other people.  Leveling up is 'fun' for the most part, but it is also mostly a lonely experience.

I think they should add the 'quest' for fishing at the beginning of each expansion.  In other words, to get past 375, there should have been a neat quest in Wraith.   And then every expansion, they remove the old quest and add a new one.   That way there is still some requirement for fishing, but at the same time, it allows new players(and alts) to catch up quickly.

Originally posted by Alandora

I think it's just a matter of them being too time consuming to be part of the new 'faster' leveling up.   The fishing quest is pretty obscure to find (for horde players at least) and then you have to travel to 4 different zones that you probably didn't quest in yet.

Blizzard made a decision that I mostly agree with.  The fun part of the game is when you get with other people.  Leveling up is 'fun' for the most part, but it is also mostly a lonely experience.

I think they should add the 'quest' for fishing at the beginning of each expansion.  In other words, to get past 375, there should have been a neat quest in Wraith.   And then every expansion, they remove the old quest and add a new one.   That way there is still some requirement for fishing, but at the same time, it allows new players(and alts) to catch up quickly.

I think you can still do the quest, much like the MC entrance quest.

Its just no longer a prerequisite to something else down the chain.  For those who want to do the quest, there is no loss.  For those who do not want to do the quest, they can proceed to the next step.

I do not see how this is dumbed down or whatever.  It just relaxs some of the strict "requirements" for the older content.  Not like Blizzard take away something from you.

Unless you want to force people to do something you like, you should not be bothered.  In the same way someone up there said they achieved something in lvl 40 grinding for a mount.  Back then a mount is something near the end game, a fast mount is really a lot for pre-BC WoW.  By now, the level cap has been raised twice, old content is relatively old, there is no "novelty" there.  Making it easier for people to go through is not a crime.  After all, there are so much to do in WoW, even if you get pass level 1-60 faster, there is no shortage of fun activities, during the rest of the path to 80, and after 80.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Alandora

I think it's just a matter of them being too time consuming to be part of the new 'faster' leveling up.   The fishing quest is pretty obscure to find (for horde players at least) and then you have to travel to 4 different zones that you probably didn't quest in yet.

Blizzard made a decision that I mostly agree with.  The fun part of the game is when you get with other people.  Leveling up is 'fun' for the most part, but it is also mostly a lonely experience.

I think they should add the 'quest' for fishing at the beginning of each expansion.  In other words, to get past 375, there should have been a neat quest in Wraith.   And then every expansion, they remove the old quest and add a new one.   That way there is still some requirement for fishing, but at the same time, it allows new players(and alts) to catch up quickly.

 

I think you can still do the quest, much like the MC entrance quest.

Its just no longer a prerequisite to something else down the chain.  For those who want to do the quest, there is no loss.  For those who do not want to do the quest, they can proceed to the next step.

I do not see how this is dumbed down or whatever.  It just relaxs some of the strict "requirements" for the older content.  Not like Blizzard take away something from you.

Unless you want to force people to do something you like, you should not be bothered.  In the same way someone up there said they achieved something in lvl 40 grinding for a mount.  Back then a mount is something near the end game, a fast mount is really a lot for pre-BC WoW.  By now, the level cap has been raised twice, old content is relatively old, there is no "novelty" there.  Making it easier for people to go through is not a crime.  After all, there are so much to do in WoW, even if you get pass level 1-60 faster, there is no shortage of fun activities, during the rest of the path to 80, and after 80.

Making it easier to get rewards is the definition of "dumbing down".  If this is how  Blizz wants to nerf their game it isnt my concern as i have recently cancelled my subscription and moved on.  Perhaps there are no new players coming to the game at this point but if there are they are missing out on the best part of what was WOW.  Rolling a level 55 Dk was most likely onlty the beginning as i would not be surprised to see all alts starting at 60 or so with full gear and a mount.  And it was me that said he felt like he achieved somthing being able to get a mount at level 40. I have heard it said that the only thing that can kill WOW is WOW and i believe this is true. Blizz is doing nothing more that nerfing it to the point where all rewards are meaningless. At any rate enjoy the game.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Making it easier to get rewards is the definition of "dumbing down".  If this is how  Blizz wants to nerf their game it isnt my concern as i have recently cancelled my subscription and moved on. 

You quit because of a fishing quest? That's just special.

Good luck. I hope you find a game that offers you the challenging fish-questing experience you're looking for.

I'm sorry, I misread.  I thought the title was "Fisting in WoW". 

Originally posted by bonobotheory

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Making it easier to get rewards is the definition of "dumbing down".  If this is how  Blizz wants to nerf their game it isnt my concern as i have recently cancelled my subscription and moved on. 

You quit because of a fishing quest? That's just special.

Good luck. I hope you find a game that offers you the challenging fish-questing experience you're looking for.

No i quit after two years of playing it. The fishing quest is just one example of the nerfing of the game. Ive been sick of WOW for a long time and was just curious as to if it was true about the fishing quest.  How sad is it when someting as simple as fishing has to be nerfed so the players can get their skill level up faster. I mean really, what do they do, hang out in IF and show everyone their high stat pole? I hope you enjoy the game as i did for quite awhile but i acutally new it was over for me when one of my alts went to burning steppes and i noticed the big drakes were no longer elite. Guess it takes too long to kill an elite.

I agree. I enjoyed WOW the most pre TBC. I was an avid fisher myself and I was able to get a shit load of gold fishing for Stone Scale Eels at Scalebeards cave in Aszhara. I loved that casual part of the game. Too bad the economy went awol after the Burning Crusade. Fishing lost it's appeal to me because there wasn' t any big bucks to make anymore, compared to what you could make with mining, gathering and daily's. Doing the quests to unlock the next tier of your professions was something I always enjoyed.

I also agree on the dumbing down part; old school WOW has a lot of incentives to go places where you shouldn't be going at a lower level and I loved the excitement which this gave; solo sneaking through BRD with my rogue at lvl 51 to get the Barman Shanker from Plugger Spazring for example. After TBC you didn't have to bother with much better BOE blue's on the AH for level 50+

Originally posted by John.A.Zoid

It's like when you had to do access quests to get to new zones in EQ2. People didn't like having to put a little effort into getting to a new zone so they took them out. It's the new I want everything now generation and it's getting on my nerves. I remember when you had to put alot of effort to get a mount in an mmorpg and that was the ultimate prize. Now they're giving them away.

What all you people miss is having a grandparent, just to see how silly you sound.

Fisting in WoW?

EEEwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Alandora

I think it's just a matter of them being too time consuming to be part of the new 'faster' leveling up.   The fishing quest is pretty obscure to find (for horde players at least) and then you have to travel to 4 different zones that you probably didn't quest in yet.

Blizzard made a decision that I mostly agree with.  The fun part of the game is when you get with other people.  Leveling up is 'fun' for the most part, but it is also mostly a lonely experience.

I think they should add the 'quest' for fishing at the beginning of each expansion.  In other words, to get past 375, there should have been a neat quest in Wraith.   And then every expansion, they remove the old quest and add a new one.   That way there is still some requirement for fishing, but at the same time, it allows new players(and alts) to catch up quickly.

 

I think you can still do the quest, much like the MC entrance quest.

Its just no longer a prerequisite to something else down the chain.  For those who want to do the quest, there is no loss.  For those who do not want to do the quest, they can proceed to the next step.

I do not see how this is dumbed down or whatever.  It just relaxs some of the strict "requirements" for the older content.  Not like Blizzard take away something from you.

Unless you want to force people to do something you like, you should not be bothered.  In the same way someone up there said they achieved something in lvl 40 grinding for a mount.  Back then a mount is something near the end game, a fast mount is really a lot for pre-BC WoW.  By now, the level cap has been raised twice, old content is relatively old, there is no "novelty" there.  Making it easier for people to go through is not a crime.  After all, there are so much to do in WoW, even if you get pass level 1-60 faster, there is no shortage of fun activities, during the rest of the path to 80, and after 80.

Making it easier to get rewards is the definition of "dumbing down".  If this is how  Blizz wants to nerf their game it isnt my concern as i have recently cancelled my subscription and moved on.  Perhaps there are no new players coming to the game at this point but if there are they are missing out on the best part of what was WOW.  Rolling a level 55 Dk was most likely onlty the beginning as i would not be surprised to see all alts starting at 60 or so with full gear and a mount.  And it was me that said he felt like he achieved somthing being able to get a mount at level 40. I have heard it said that the only thing that can kill WOW is WOW and i believe this is true. Blizz is doing nothing more that nerfing it to the point where all rewards are meaningless. At any rate enjoy the game.

Let me explain it this way.   

Suppose there was no 'dumbing down'.   Then new players would have to solo for months before they were able to do anything in groups or be part of the real community of WOW.    Yes, they would be hardcore and have to travel to 4 different zones to be able to get their fishing past 225 (mostly just a bunch of mindless running around).   Meanwhile, the rest of us would be running heroics, doing the new dailies and enjoying the community of the game.

Now, because of the dumbing down, that same new player will catch up to current players relatively quickly.  They will become part of the community, join a guild, do heroics and quests with guildmates and be able to participate in patch 3.2 content while it is still relavent.... much better than running around STV and Feralas trying to find the spot to catch the last 2 fish, or joing /guildchat only to bed a lvl 80 to run you through an instance.

WOW has great solo content and has a lot of different things to do.  But the vast majority of the fun part of most players gametime is when they interact with the community.   Getting new players caught up to old players is important. 

And if you think WOW is struggling, why not check out the NPD sales data. The WOW battlechest (new game + BC) is ALWAYS in the top 20 every week.  There isn't another game even close.  And those are NEW players who are buying the box fof the first time.

Having a quest to advance past 225 made a lot more sense when 225 to 300 was the final skill bracket. After TBC was rleased and the skill cap raised to 375, those quests were just weird little speedbumps in the middle of the road. They didn't belong anymore. With Wrath's skill cap of 450, they made even less sense.

Most players are in Northrend now anyway. The old world just isn't that important anymore. I want new players level up quickly and adventuring with me in the new dungeons. Making them run from zone to zone catching fish accomplishes nothing.

I've done those quests enough. About five times on the fishing, and eight on the cooking. I'm glad I never have to do them again.