Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

only a minority of those who play Darkfall rate it 4 / 10.  Last poll  i remember  (which was similar to previous polls) has 60% - 70 % rate it   a 7 / 10 or better.

 

Ummm...that would be the people that bothered to vote in the poll giving it a 7/10, that in no way tells us what percentage of players that represented now, does it?

And most of the players that I played with gave it a 4/10,  and with the number of players that didn't renew their subscriptions, I'm betting that a lot larger chunk of players considered DF a 4/10 game...and they voted with their feet, not in a poll.  Some "minority".

 

i have a different experience. Most players i know moved to Darkfall because we all think its the best game  on the market right now.  Only a small percentage of us visit forums at all (including official one, i vote 8 / 10 and i am sure the people i know dont vote much different , we meet daily for hours in game and having fun.

 

Ooookay...speaking of small percentages, how many people are playing DF now? 10k maybe? Have fun.......but those kind of numbers won't pay the bills.

1) There is more than 10k active subs. I can't prove it, but if there wasn't a second server would have never opened. Not saying both servers are full or populated properly though

2) You don't know anything about whats needed to keep an MMO on life support. How many people play AO or better yet, how many people played EvE at launch, or better still how many people played Shadowbane. Get the picture?

Tsaos declined to have a re-review but they did it anyway. Why? Because it's self-serving to Eurogamer; Tsaos knew what game they were playing and wouldn't have any part of it.

Eurogamer had no choice but to re-review the game to try and maintain some integrity amongst gamers, because it was such a blatant act of incompetence and dishonesty. But ultimately Tsaos knew it was only being done to serve their interests and that they had to try and save some face on the issue, so instead of giving the game the minimum 6/10 it would deserve, they split the difference and land at a 4/10 in order to make it look like their original review was not so far off base. That's why he was smart enough not to play their game and give tacit approval to a re-review, when what they should have done was nullify the original review as a recognition of their failure. Instead all they do is try to cover their ass as shown by the fact that more time in their review is spent talking about the original review than the game itself.

Metacritic user reviews put the game at 6.8, which is right for a niche game that has some issues but ultimately the issues can be overlooked if you're looking for a game that offers what nothing else will.

Originally posted by Trenchgun

Tsaos declined to have a re-review but they did it anyway. Why? Because it's self-serving to Eurogamer; Tsaos knew what game they were playing and wouldn't have any part of it.

Eurogamer had no choice but to re-review the game to try and maintain some integrity amongst gamers, because it was such a blatant act of incompetence and dishonesty. But ultimately Tsaos knew it was only being done to serve their interests and that they had to try and save some face on the issue, so instead of giving the game the minimum 6/10 it would deserve, they split the difference and land at a 4/10 in order to make it look like their original review was not so far off base. That's why he was smart enough not to play their game and give tacit approval to a re-review, when what they should have done was nullify the original review as a recognition of their failure. Instead all they do is try to cover their ass as shown by the fact that more time in their review is spent talking about the original review than the game itself.

Metacritic user reviews put the game at 6.8, which is right for a niche game that has some issues but ultimately the issues can be overlooked if you're looking for a game that offers what nothing else will.

 

I'm pretty sure you have no idea what Eurogamer's motives are, if any. You seem to be twisting things to fit "your" view without any factual knoledge (ie. talking shyte)  Eurogamer, like it or not, is one of the most reputable gaming sites in Europe and I would wager most ppl agree with the 4/10 score given. With such a small player base I would think most large sites don't think it important to review DF, so at least Eurogamer took the time to give it a shot.....twice.

Originally posted by Ubie

Originally posted by Trenchgun

Tsaos declined to have a re-review but they did it anyway. Why? Because it's self-serving to Eurogamer; Tsaos knew what game they were playing and wouldn't have any part of it.

Eurogamer had no choice but to re-review the game to try and maintain some integrity amongst gamers, because it was such a blatant act of incompetence and dishonesty. But ultimately Tsaos knew it was only being done to serve their interests and that they had to try and save some face on the issue, so instead of giving the game the minimum 6/10 it would deserve, they split the difference and land at a 4/10 in order to make it look like their original review was not so far off base. That's why he was smart enough not to play their game and give tacit approval to a re-review, when what they should have done was nullify the original review as a recognition of their failure. Instead all they do is try to cover their ass as shown by the fact that more time in their review is spent talking about the original review than the game itself.

Metacritic user reviews put the game at 6.8, which is right for a niche game that has some issues but ultimately the issues can be overlooked if you're looking for a game that offers what nothing else will.

 

I'm pretty sure you have no idea what Eurogamer's motives are, if any. You seem to be twisting things to fit "your" view without any factual knoledge (ie. talking shyte)  Eurogamer, like it or not, is one of the most reputable gaming sites in Europe and I would wager most ppl agree with the 4/10 score given. With such a small player base I would think most large sites don't think it important to review DF, so at least Eurogamer took the time to give it a shot.....twice.

I only think they re reviewed it because Tasos made such a stink and since he said the reviewer would do a good job now he has to eat the review. Howver 6/10 seems about right if you take AV out of the picture and ignore the Tasos factor. He brings most of the hate on himself. If they had a decent PR department they would have half the bad press.

Wrong. Eurogamer doesn't re-review things because a dev gets mad - No one does. And Tsaos proved that by outright declining a re-review of the game. Eurogamer went ahead with it of their own accord for their own reasons and their own benefit: Which was to try and save face after their colossal fuckup, a fuckup that was plain as day to everyone who looked. Their concern was not appeasing Tsaos, but convincing their readers they still had some shred of integrity left. Unfortunately their own self interest precluded a proper review.

Originally posted by Trenchgun

Wrong. Eurogamer doesn't re-review things because a dev gets mad - No one does. And Tsaos proved that by outright declining a re-review of the game. Eurogamer went ahead with it of their own accord for their own reasons and their own benefit: Which was to try and save face after their colossal fuckup, a fuckup that was plain as day to everyone who looked. Their concern was not appeasing Tsaos, but convincing their readers they still had some shred of integrity left. Unfortunately their own self interest precluded a proper review.

You assume a lot of things, and, doing that, ends up just speculating and fantasizing.  The only people that disagreed about the first review was Aventurine (obviously) and the die-hard fans. Don't pretend to be a spokesperson when you are not.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

only a minority of those who play Darkfall rate it 4 / 10.  Last poll  i remember  (which was similar to previous polls) has 60% - 70 % rate it   a 7 / 10 or better.

 

Ummm...that would be the people that bothered to vote in the poll giving it a 7/10, that in no way tells us what percentage of players that represented now, does it?

And most of the players that I played with gave it a 4/10,  and with the number of players that didn't renew their subscriptions, I'm betting that a lot larger chunk of players considered DF a 4/10 game...and they voted with their feet, not in a poll.  Some "minority".

 

i have a different experience. Most players i know moved to Darkfall because we all think its the best game  on the market right now.  Only a small percentage of us visit forums at all (including official one, i vote 8 / 10 and i am sure the people i know dont vote much different , we meet daily for hours in game and having fun.

 

Ooookay...speaking of small percentages, how many people are playing DF now? 10k maybe? Have fun.......but those kind of numbers won't pay the bills.

1) There is more than 10k active subs. I can't prove it, but if there wasn't a second server would have never opened. Not saying both servers are full or populated properly though

2) You don't know anything about whats needed to keep an MMO on life support. How many people play AO or better yet, how many people played EvE at launch, or better still how many people played Shadowbane. Get the picture?

If you can't prove your numbers, your guess is as accurate as mine, but that being said , for a newly released game, it has a tiny number of players. And very rarely does a game survive a bad launch.

And as far as keeping a game on life support, here are four vital words in that regard:

twelve million dollar loan.

DF has investors that will want a return on their investment, and the pitiful number of DF sales and subscriptions are not going to be making much of a return to those investors. That is not the path of longevity to any business, much less a MMO.
 

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

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Someone would mine such a obviously difference is easy to spot and makes no prob to anyone.

But even Kieron Gilen the man  who his job is to spot such differences this presented him  a intellectual challenge.

So lets then declare the sheath / unsheath indicator as distinctive tool to separte the wheat from the chaff . The retards from really DarkFall material. I personally didnt believe it would be something so easy to spot like the sheath / unsheath indicator lol

 

Sigh you make fans look bad please stop.

Dear X, poor X, you now know why some of us will never touch DF, not even if we are PAID by the hour to play.  Its the community.

DF is a game you play with people.  The quality of gameplay depends on who you play with.  If Darth represents the community, this game means torture to whoever with a trace of sanity.  It takes my boss a huge salary to get me to mingle with half decent clients.  It will take a significant multiple times my paycheck to get me to mingle with Darth.  Even with that pay I might decline.

The real issue is how many of the remaining DF players are decent and reasonable.  From the general rule of "bad players drives out good players", the small the community, the less the good ones.

Its not $50 or $12/month, $50 is less than a working hour's pay.  That is less than half I spend a day on hotel fees when travelling at work.  It is not about loot, when I left EQ, I leave behind 190k plat.  All loot are meaningless the day I left a game.  It is not about dying, I die a lot in every PvP games.  I even die due to random "tricks" the imperials pull when using AT to "aggro" non flagged wookies in SWG.  Its not about AV alone, even tho AV does raise a lot of red flags.  At least I do not need to deal with AV once I can log in, until I run into issues I need to report.  It is about the people I interact with day in day out, I interact with throughout the duration that would be, if I sub and play DF.  It is about the essence of the game, the gameplay.

If the gameplay is broken, because the tools to provide gameplay (the community) is nasty, then nothing else matters.  SWG has excellent community, despite some of the issues ingame, the gameplay is superb.  It takes CU and NGE to end the game, and that is, when the majority of the community left.  That seals the game.  GAMEPLAY.

Originally posted by Trenchgun

Tsaos was right to question the legitimacy of their so-called re-review. Eurogamer was in the position of not being able to admit they fucked up royally the first time, but also not being able to let the original stand because it was so blatantly shoddy. They can't allow the rereview to be even a 6/10, because admiting that much would put egg all over their face. A 4/10 lets them admit that they didn't do proper justice to the first review without having to admit that the first one was too far off base.

Proof?

Do people like Darth realise that Kieron is one of  Englands highest achieving writer with regards to Pc gaming ? If all they can come up with is that he missed a few small things, and that makes his review worthless, show that some people are really clutchin at straws.

Gillen has worked for a lengthy list of publications, including PC Gamer UK, The Escapist, Amiga Power, Wired, The Guardian newspaper (where he wrote the first long-form videogame review in a mainstream newspaper[1]), Edge, Games Developer, Develop, MCV, Gamesmaster and PC Format, among others.

On the web, Gillen is a founder and major contributor to the PC gaming site Rock, Paper, Shotgun and a games reviewer for Eurogamer.

He is notable for his manifesto[2] for New Games Journalism, more simply the model of new journalism applied to videogames journalism.

In 2000, Gillen became the first-ever videogames journalist to receive an award from the Periodical Publishers Association, for New Specialist Consumer Journalist.[3]

Gillen has also been invited as a guest speaker at games-industry conferences.[4] [5]

Just a quote from his wiki page showing some of the stuff he has done. This guy knows what he is doing, and no amout of childish moaning about minor details and insulting him is going to change that fact.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Trenchgun

Tsaos was right to question the legitimacy of their so-called re-review. Eurogamer was in the position of not being able to admit they fucked up royally the first time, but also not being able to let the original stand because it was so blatantly shoddy. They can't allow the rereview to be even a 6/10, because admiting that much would put egg all over their face. A 4/10 lets them admit that they didn't do proper justice to the first review without having to admit that the first one was too far off base.

 

Proof?

Well they have the logs as "proof". So the only thing you have to do now is jump on a plane fly down to Athens and they'll show them to you...............hopefully

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Trenchgun

Tsaos was right to question the legitimacy of their so-called re-review. Eurogamer was in the position of not being able to admit they fucked up royally the first time, but also not being able to let the original stand because it was so blatantly shoddy. They can't allow the rereview to be even a 6/10, because admiting that much would put egg all over their face. A 4/10 lets them admit that they didn't do proper justice to the first review without having to admit that the first one was too far off base.

 

Proof?

The only proof is the Word of Tasos.

This whole argument put forth by this poster, is paraphrased right out The Book of Tasos: The Re-review .

I found an interesting quote from Tasos himself in aforementioned book.

"I spoke with Kieron and I believe he is capable of doing an excellent job at reviewing Darkfall, so much so that it’s completely unfair for him, and for us, that he does mop-up duty after the original fraudulent review. We hope he’ll review Darkfall for another respectable publication sometime and we don’t want to blow it on this one. If they wanted Kieron Gillen they should have let him write the original review instead of tossing Darkfall to some random and unsupervised amateur. They got what they paid for but why should we have to suffer for it?"

Tasos probably offered Kieron a little "vacation package" to Athens for a doctored rating.

Kieron more than likely asked Tasos, "Who the **** are you again?"

It would seem Kieron may have told Tasos that he would write the re-review exactly the way he saw it.

Now, if that was the case, why would Tasos speak so highly of him in this excerpt, and not go into rage-gank mode?

Because Tasos knows that Kieron Gillen has a quite a bit more clout in the gaming world than Ed Zitron, as mentioned  a few posts before this one, and  in all likely-hood, could make Tasos' existence in the gaming world even less meaningful than it already is.

The End.

Originally posted by Respit

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Trenchgun

Tsaos was right to question the legitimacy of their so-called re-review. Eurogamer was in the position of not being able to admit they fucked up royally the first time, but also not being able to let the original stand because it was so blatantly shoddy. They can't allow the rereview to be even a 6/10, because admiting that much would put egg all over their face. A 4/10 lets them admit that they didn't do proper justice to the first review without having to admit that the first one was too far off base.

 

Proof?

 

The only proof is the Word of Tasos.

This whole argument put forth by this poster, is paraphrased right out The Book of Tasos: The Re-review .

 

I found an intersting quote from Tasos himself in aforementioned book.

 

"I spoke with Kieron and I believe he is capable of doing an excellent job at reviewing Darkfall, so much so that it’s completely unfair for him, and for us, that he does mop-up duty after the original fraudulent review. We hope he’ll review Darkfall for another respectable publication sometime and we don’t want to blow it on this one. If they wanted Kieron Gillen they should have let him write the original review instead of tossing Darkfall to some random and unsupervised amateur. They got what they paid for but why should we have to suffer for it?"

 

Tasos probably offered Kieron a little "vacation package" to Athens for a doctored rating.

Kieron more than likely told Tasos, "Who the **** are you again?"

It would seem Kieron may have told Tasos, that he would write the re-review exactly the way he saw it.

Now, if that was the case, why would Tasos speak so highly of him in this excerpt, an not go into rage-gank mode?

 

Because Tasos knows that Kieron Gillen has a quite a bit more clout in the gaming world than Ed Zitron, as mentioned  a few posts before this one, and could in all likely hood, make Tasos' existence in the gaming world even less meaningful than it already is.

 

The End.

 

 

I agree with you.

And as I've said before, if Tasos believed the re-review score was wrong, he'd be shouting from the rooftops the same way he did with Zitron.

Instead, Tasos has buried his head.

Tasos knows the re-review is legit and doesn't want to rock the boat while he has a new server with some fresh victims...er, subscribers.

If he were to criticize Kieron, Kieron would eat him alive.

Originally posted by bobtheblob

Do people like Darth realise that Kieron is one of  Englands highest achieving writer with regards to Pc gaming ? If all they can come up with is that he missed a few small things, and that makes his review worthless, show that some people are really clutchin at straws.

 

Gillen has worked for a lengthy list of publications, including PC Gamer UK, The Escapist, Amiga Power, Wired, The Guardian newspaper (where he wrote the first long-form videogame review in a mainstream newspaper[1]), Edge, Games Developer, Develop, MCV, Gamesmaster and PC Format, among others.

On the web, Gillen is a founder and major contributor to the PC gaming site Rock, Paper, Shotgun and a games reviewer for Eurogamer.

He is notable for his manifesto[2] for New Games Journalism, more simply the model of new journalism applied to videogames journalism.

In 2000, Gillen became the first-ever videogames journalist to receive an award from the Periodical Publishers Association, for New Specialist Consumer Journalist.[3]

Gillen has also been invited as a guest speaker at games-industry conferences.[4] [5]

 

Just a quote from his wiki page showing some of the stuff he has done. This guy knows what he is doing, and no amout of childish moaning about minor details and insulting him is going to change that fact.

These guys knows what he is doing..during game downtime..thats for sure lol

Also he in 20 hours he failed to notice the sheath / unsheath indication and didn't passed that retarded test but like the biggest noob tried to swing a sword that wasn't equiped lol

He may be a champion of words but a big DarkFall looser on Agon's battlefield. Inable to adapt to a new challenge, too close minded for something different. Darkfall showed him his limits, owned him , urged him to make factual wrong statements.

My eyes hurt.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by bobtheblob

Do people like Darth realise that Kieron is one of  Englands highest achieving writer with regards to Pc gaming ? If all they can come up with is that he missed a few small things, and that makes his review worthless, show that some people are really clutchin at straws.

 

Gillen has worked for a lengthy list of publications, including PC Gamer UK, The Escapist, Amiga Power, Wired, The Guardian newspaper (where he wrote the first long-form videogame review in a mainstream newspaper[1]), Edge, Games Developer, Develop, MCV, Gamesmaster and PC Format, among others.

On the web, Gillen is a founder and major contributor to the PC gaming site Rock, Paper, Shotgun and a games reviewer for Eurogamer.

He is notable for his manifesto[2] for New Games Journalism, more simply the model of new journalism applied to videogames journalism.

In 2000, Gillen became the first-ever videogames journalist to receive an award from the Periodical Publishers Association, for New Specialist Consumer Journalist.[3]

Gillen has also been invited as a guest speaker at games-industry conferences.[4] [5]

 

Just a quote from his wiki page showing some of the stuff he has done. This guy knows what he is doing, and no amout of childish moaning about minor details and insulting him is going to change that fact.

 

These guys knows what he is doing..during game downtime..thats for sure lol

Also he in 20 hours he failed to notice the sheath / unsheath indication and didn't passed that retarded test but like the biggest noob tried to swing a sword that wasn't equiped lol

He may be a champion of words but a big DarkFall looser on Agon's battlefield. Inable to adapt to a new challenge, too close minded for something different. Darkfall showed him his limits, owned him , urged him to make factual wrong statements.

 

I print that out and put it on my toilet wall in case i can`t poop in the morning.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by bobtheblob

Do people like Darth realise that Kieron is one of  Englands highest achieving writer with regards to Pc gaming ? If all they can come up with is that he missed a few small things, and that makes his review worthless, show that some people are really clutchin at straws.

 

Gillen has worked for a lengthy list of publications, including PC Gamer UK, The Escapist, Amiga Power, Wired, The Guardian newspaper (where he wrote the first long-form videogame review in a mainstream newspaper[1]), Edge, Games Developer, Develop, MCV, Gamesmaster and PC Format, among others.

On the web, Gillen is a founder and major contributor to the PC gaming site Rock, Paper, Shotgun and a games reviewer for Eurogamer.

He is notable for his manifesto[2] for New Games Journalism, more simply the model of new journalism applied to videogames journalism.

In 2000, Gillen became the first-ever videogames journalist to receive an award from the Periodical Publishers Association, for New Specialist Consumer Journalist.[3]

Gillen has also been invited as a guest speaker at games-industry conferences.[4] [5]

 

Just a quote from his wiki page showing some of the stuff he has done. This guy knows what he is doing, and no amout of childish moaning about minor details and insulting him is going to change that fact.

 

These guys knows what he is doing..during game downtime..thats for sure lol

Also he in 20 hours he failed to notice the sheath / unsheath indication and didn't passed that retarded test but like the biggest noob tried to swing a sword that wasn't equiped lol

He may be a champion of words but a big DarkFall looser on Agon's battlefield. Inable to adapt to a new challenge, too close minded for something different. Darkfall showed him his limits, owned him , urged him to make factual wrong statements.

 

Lol oh Darth, when will you ever learn.

On one hand, we have an accomplished writer and reviewer, who's name is recognized in the industry. On the other hand we have you; even Tasos does not dispute the review.

Yes, I'm sure he made a few mistakes about unsheathing weapons, the indicator of which could be hard to see. Especially if you're used to the industry standard indicator of actually showing the god damn weapon on the screen. And he also didn't know about food and magic reducing recovery time.

Besides your sick fascination with what he does during downtime, are there are other problems you have with the review? Why don't you list them, instead of picking two minor mistakes, which are not even important, and blowing them way out of proportion.

Seriously though, If you want my opinion, take that 4/10 and be happy with it. It's a lot more than the game deserves.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden 

Darkfall showed him its limits, owned itself , urged him to make factual statements.

 

Fixed that for you.

Originally posted by bobtheblob

Do people like Darth realise that Kieron is one of  Englands highest achieving writer with regards to Pc gaming ? If all they can come up with is that he missed a few small things, and that makes his review worthless, show that some people are really clutchin at straws.

 

Gillen has worked for a lengthy list of publications, including PC Gamer UK, The Escapist, Amiga Power, Wired, The Guardian newspaper (where he wrote the first long-form videogame review in a mainstream newspaper[1]), Edge, Games Developer, Develop, MCV, Gamesmaster and PC Format, among others.

On the web, Gillen is a founder and major contributor to the PC gaming site Rock, Paper, Shotgun and a games reviewer for Eurogamer.

He is notable for his manifesto[2] for New Games Journalism, more simply the model of new journalism applied to videogames journalism.

In 2000, Gillen became the first-ever videogames journalist to receive an award from the Periodical Publishers Association, for New Specialist Consumer Journalist.[3]

Gillen has also been invited as a guest speaker at games-industry conferences.[4] [5]

 

Just a quote from his wiki page showing some of the stuff he has done. This guy knows what he is doing, and no amout of childish moaning about minor details and insulting him is going to change that fact.

No one doubts the reviewer, no one with a sane mind and reasonable.

That said, we all are entitled to disputing the judgment passed from him or anyone else.  The details of his writing are what I read, his grading are just for reference only.

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Trenchgun

Tsaos was right to question the legitimacy of their so-called re-review. Eurogamer was in the position of not being able to admit they fucked up royally the first time, but also not being able to let the original stand because it was so blatantly shoddy. They can't allow the rereview to be even a 6/10, because admiting that much would put egg all over their face. A 4/10 lets them admit that they didn't do proper justice to the first review without having to admit that the first one was too far off base.

 

Proof?

Well they have the logs as "proof". So the only thing you have to do now is jump on a plane fly down to Athens and they'll show them to you...............hopefully

No my friend, I work in systems design for 2 decades, I work on security for banks and online transactions.  You cannot trust a log unless you have control over the system and the journaling tool that writes the log, unless you control access to the tool, to the log.  A log is just a text, anyone can alter it, unless you control all the anyones.

That is why the final security is in a physical lock.  Lock the whole damn access console in a room, with an armed guard, a security videocam that is constantly recording offsite, and a digital record of all physical access, immediately logged offsite, so no one can easily alter it all and leave no trace.

Tasos?  He smells like a crook, talks like one and behaves like one.  His journals?  His logs? .... you finish the sentence.

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by egotrip

Originally posted by Orthedos

Originally posted by Trenchgun

Tsaos was right to question the legitimacy of their so-called re-review. Eurogamer was in the position of not being able to admit they fucked up royally the first time, but also not being able to let the original stand because it was so blatantly shoddy. They can't allow the rereview to be even a 6/10, because admiting that much would put egg all over their face. A 4/10 lets them admit that they didn't do proper justice to the first review without having to admit that the first one was too far off base.

 

Proof?

Well they have the logs as "proof". So the only thing you have to do now is jump on a plane fly down to Athens and they'll show them to you...............hopefully

 

No my friend, I work in systems design for 2 decades, I work on security for banks and online transactions.  You cannot trust a log unless you have control over the system and the journaling tool that writes the log, unless you control access to the tool, to the log.  A log is just a text, anyone can alter it, unless you control all the anyones.

That is why the final security is in a physical lock.  Lock the whole damn access console in a room, with an armed guard, a security videocam that is constantly recording offsite, and a digital record of all physical access, immediately logged offsite, so no one can easily alter it all and leave no trace.

Tasos?  He smells like a crook, talks like one and behaves like one.  His journals?  His logs? .... you finish the sentence.

And that's why i have the the word proof  within "__"

Because it's really no proof at all

Eurogamer got it right the first time. 2/10

Tasos is a crook

Originally posted by Trenchgun

Tsaos declined to have a re-review but they did it anyway. Why? Because it's self-serving to Eurogamer; Tsaos knew what game they were playing and wouldn't have any part of it.

Eurogamer had no choice but to re-review the game to try and maintain some integrity amongst gamers, because it was such a blatant act of incompetence and dishonesty. But ultimately Tsaos knew it was only being done to serve their interests and that they had to try and save some face on the issue, so instead of giving the game the minimum 6/10 it would deserve, they split the difference and land at a 4/10 in order to make it look like their original review was not so far off base. That's why he was smart enough not to play their game and give tacit approval to a re-review, when what they should have done was nullify the original review as a recognition of their failure. Instead all they do is try to cover their ass as shown by the fact that more time in their review is spent talking about the original review than the game itself.

Metacritic user reviews put the game at 6.8, which is right for a niche game that has some issues but ultimately the issues can be overlooked if you're looking for a game that offers what nothing else will.

 

Ummm... No.

Tasos originally championed the idea of a re-review from a more reputable reviewer and was openly supportive of it.

He later changed his mind. My guess is that he realized it could backfire on him if the re-review didn't serve DF much better than the first; it would be difficult for him to refute a second negative score if it came from someone he himself had already endorsed. So he did an about face and packaged it up as though he was doing Kieron a "favor" so he could come out looking like the good guy.

It was a pretty obvious dog and pony show being put on by Tasos; the drama, ranting and raving over the first review... all of it.

Luckily, Eurogamer doesn't need Tasos' permission to do a re-review... and they did one anyway.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Originally posted by bobtheblob

Do people like Darth realise that Kieron is one of  Englands highest achieving writer with regards to Pc gaming ? If all they can come up with is that he missed a few small things, and that makes his review worthless, show that some people are really clutchin at straws.

 

Gillen has worked for a lengthy list of publications, including PC Gamer UK, The Escapist, Amiga Power, Wired, The Guardian newspaper (where he wrote the first long-form videogame review in a mainstream newspaper[1]), Edge, Games Developer, Develop, MCV, Gamesmaster and PC Format, among others.

On the web, Gillen is a founder and major contributor to the PC gaming site Rock, Paper, Shotgun and a games reviewer for Eurogamer.

He is notable for his manifesto[2] for New Games Journalism, more simply the model of new journalism applied to videogames journalism.

In 2000, Gillen became the first-ever videogames journalist to receive an award from the Periodical Publishers Association, for New Specialist Consumer Journalist.[3]

Gillen has also been invited as a guest speaker at games-industry conferences.[4] [5]

 

Just a quote from his wiki page showing some of the stuff he has done. This guy knows what he is doing, and no amout of childish moaning about minor details and insulting him is going to change that fact.

 

These guys knows what he is doing..during game downtime..thats for sure lol

Also he in 20 hours he failed to notice the sheath / unsheath indication and didn't passed that retarded test but like the biggest noob tried to swing a sword that wasn't equiped lol

He may be a champion of words but a big DarkFall looser on Agon's battlefield. Inable to adapt to a new challenge, too close minded for something different. Darkfall showed him his limits, owned him , urged him to make factual wrong statements.

 

... and yet you praised a review written in a language you didn't even understand... because it gave DF a higher score.

I've asked this before and, while it is a rhetorical question, I still think it begs asking from time to time..

Do you ever plan to post something here that isn't isn't comprised entirely of spin, lies or obfuscation? Like... even once, maybe?

Is it me or Tasos is the first developer to officially cry about a review? Maybe I'm wrong. Either way, it's ironic, I thought he had a thicker skin to this kind of feedback, just look at how forumfall is.