These mmos coming out today either no longer do pet classes vanguard shocked me that they did not have a tamer like class, or they only give the class a static pet for example in Warhammer you are stuck with the same lion like pet. It grows and changes apperance but still its still a cat.

WoW is the only current mmorpg with the best pet system, some will argue old school SWG had the best pet system but old school SWG is no longer around. In WoW there is so many pet options and talent customizations and you can even buy toys from dalaran to have your pet do tricks and what not.

It seems as mmorpgs progress the pet/tamer class is dying off.

Don't be so sure; TOR is planning on having "companions" (i.e. NPC pets) for "every" class.

I haven't decided if I want a sarcastic assassin droid or a leather-clad female twilek yet.

But yeah, WoW has a good pet-class mechanic. Shame it's got such a bad rep from the farmers.

Originally posted by Ilvaldyr

Don't be so sure; TOR is planning on having "companions" (i.e. NPC pets) for "every" class.

I haven't decided if I want a sarcastic assassin droid or a leather-clad female twilek yet.

But yeah, WoW has a good pet-class mechanic. Shame it's got such a bad rep from the farmers.

Yea but im still wary of that TOR said are companions would only be with us on certain cases not all the time.

Originally posted by Ozarumon

These mmos coming out today either no longer do pet classes vanguard shocked me that they did not have a tamer like class, or they only give the class a static pet for example in Warhammer you are stuck with the same lion like pet. It grows and changes apperance but still its still a cat.

 

WoW is the only current mmorpg with the best pet system, some will argue old school SWG had the best pet system but old school SWG is no longer around. In WoW there is so many pet options and talent customizations and you can even buy toys from dalaran to have your pet do tricks and what not.

 

It seems as mmorpgs progress the pet/tamer class is dying off.

well tbh pet class has been dying since swg.

even wow i feel is not up to scratch with pet class.

just my opinion but with the struggles of the smaller dev studios and the major disappointments from the big boys lately just to get a product out the door, the added work that is needed for pet classes (i.e. pathing targeting and what not) just isnt in the budget/time frame at the moment.

Originally posted by crpngdth

just my opinion but with the struggles of the smaller dev studios and the major disappointments from the big boys lately just to get a product out the door, the added work that is needed for pet classes (i.e. pathing targeting and what not) just isnt in the budget/time frame at the moment.

Yea  im  not talking about small developers i mean the big names, i know the games have been disappointing but atleast make some appeal to classes. When I see a mmorpg and I see the pet class only has on static pet choice I see lazyness. This is excusing EQ of course because its an old game.

Originally posted by Ozarumon

These mmos coming out today either no longer do pet classes vanguard shocked me that they did not have a tamer like class, or they only give the class a static pet for example in Warhammer you are stuck with the same lion like pet. It grows and changes apperance but still its still a cat.

 

WoW is the only current mmorpg with the best pet system, some will argue old school SWG had the best pet system but old school SWG is no longer around. In WoW there is so many pet options and talent customizations and you can even buy toys from dalaran to have your pet do tricks and what not.

 

It seems as mmorpgs progress the pet/tamer class is dying off.

In VG you have a Ranger that can tame many pets,you also have a shammy that has the choice of 3 pets..wolf..bear..and fire fire bird. You also have the necro that can summon up all kinds of dead pets and put stats on them through crafts. You also have a druid class that can summon some pets ,plus you have an Psionicist that can mind control neearly every mob and have them attack your target.

What the hell are you talking about?

Originally posted by billynomates

Originally posted by Ozarumon

These mmos coming out today either no longer do pet classes vanguard shocked me that they did not have a tamer like class, or they only give the class a static pet for example in Warhammer you are stuck with the same lion like pet. It grows and changes apperance but still its still a cat.

 

WoW is the only current mmorpg with the best pet system, some will argue old school SWG had the best pet system but old school SWG is no longer around. In WoW there is so many pet options and talent customizations and you can even buy toys from dalaran to have your pet do tricks and what not.

 

It seems as mmorpgs progress the pet/tamer class is dying off.

In VG you have a Ranger that can tame many pets,you also have a shammy that has the choice of 3 pets..wolf..bear..and fire fire bird. You also have the necro that can summon up all kinds of dead pets and put stats on them through crafts. You also have a druid class that can summon some pets ,plus you have an Psionicist that can mind control neearly every mob and have them attack your target.

 

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

What the hell are you talking about the ranger cant tame pets, and the wolf,bear and fire birds were forms of the shaman not summons, and the psionicist was more of a CC character not a pet class the mind control did not last long and would break easily.

Ohh some one got served.

Originally posted by Ozarumon

Originally posted by billynomates

Originally posted by Ozarumon

These mmos coming out today either no longer do pet classes vanguard shocked me that they did not have a tamer like class, or they only give the class a static pet for example in Warhammer you are stuck with the same lion like pet. It grows and changes apperance but still its still a cat.

 

WoW is the only current mmorpg with the best pet system, some will argue old school SWG had the best pet system but old school SWG is no longer around. In WoW there is so many pet options and talent customizations and you can even buy toys from dalaran to have your pet do tricks and what not.

 

It seems as mmorpgs progress the pet/tamer class is dying off.

In VG you have a Ranger that can tame many pets,you also have a shammy that has the choice of 3 pets..wolf..bear..and fire fire bird. You also have the necro that can summon up all kinds of dead pets and put stats on them through crafts. You also have a druid class that can summon some pets ,plus you have an Psionicist that can mind control neearly every mob and have them attack your target.

 

 

What the hell are you talking about?

 

What the hell are you talking about the ranger cant tame pets, and the wolf,bear and fire birds were forms of the shaman not summons, and the psionicist was more of a CC character not a pet class the mind control did not last long and would break easily.

Ermm..when was the last time you played Vanguard?

The Ranger has a choice of 3 pets and also has a skill that let's him tame pets for a short period of time. The shammy can summon his spirit pet and have him fight along side or he can take the pets form. As for the Psionicist ,yes he is a CC class but he can use mind control all be it does not last long,but he can do it.

What the hell are you talking about.?

They introduced a quests where the ranger can have a pet..

And as for them taming pets..

vs.warcry.com/content/guides/classes/the_ranger.php

Who got served ..lol

Ohh some one got reserved.

i think its funny you count MC as a"pet" option i lold at that.  And how long did it take Vanguard to get rangers settled with their pets? oh yeah it was over 1 1/2 years after release.

Originally posted by crpngdth

i think its funny you count MC as a"pet" option i lold at that.  And how long did it take Vanguard to get rangers settled with their pets? oh yeah it was over 1 1/2 years after release.

MC as a pet? could you explain what you mean by MC. As for how long it took SOE to give rangers a pet,well that's not the topic here,is it..

Lol..

the op asked why mmo's coming out today dont have  good pet classes anymore, and from my experience it appears that devs have made a decision that those resources that it would take to do a pet class correctly are better spent on other areas of the game.  you were the one who brought up vanguard and not even vanguard had this done correctly at release, it took them 1 1/2 yrs to do it and thats why you dont see the pet options like you did in pre-cu swg anymore. 

and to this day whenever i think of pre-cu swg it makes me feel a little sick inside that i cant play that game in that state anymore because it truly was a great game.

and MC = mind control

Originally posted by crpngdth

the op asked why mmo's coming out today dont have  good pet classes anymore, and from my experience it appears that devs have made a decision that those resources that it would take to do a pet class correctly are better spent on other areas of the game.  you were the one who brought up vanguard and not even vanguard had this done correctly at release, it took them 1 1/2 yrs to do it and thats why you dont see the pet options like you did in pre-cu swg anymore. 

and to this day whenever i think of pre-cu swg it makes me feel a little sick inside that i cant play that game in that state anymore because it truly was a great game.

and MC = mind control

Ermm did you read the OP? he mentioned Vanguard first. As for VG taking a year to sort out the ranger,that's not the point here. VG has had two very good pet classes since it was released and that is the shammy and the necro. The ranger has always been able to tame a pet but it's only the last 6 months when he has been able to have a permanent pet.

Psionicists can charm MOBs, not only taking them out of the fight, but forcing them to fight on behalf of the psionicist, thus giving the psionicist a temporary pet. Only one MOB may be charmed at any given time.

www.tentonhammer.com/node/59441

Again, you need to do your homework.

Well since WOW copies instead of thinking ,that is why they cannot do anything right.FFXI has the best tamer class in BST,and that is because there is ALWAYS a challenge a risk,you actually feel like you are playing a realistic game.That is the way it should be because a pet is suppose to be a creature from the wild,not some tame pink pony you can ride around or some puppy dog wagging his tail following you around waiting for his SCOOBY snack.

BTW VG has a pet sytem,that game is leaps and bounds above WOW's entire game,so don't even go there.VG was a VERY big effort a huge challenge for a low budget developer,WOW has the budget,unlimited reources and came up with an entry level effort,sad really.

Originally posted by billynomates

Originally posted by crpngdth

the op asked why mmo's coming out today dont have  good pet classes anymore, and from my experience it appears that devs have made a decision that those resources that it would take to do a pet class correctly are better spent on other areas of the game.  you were the one who brought up vanguard and not even vanguard had this done correctly at release, it took them 1 1/2 yrs to do it and thats why you dont see the pet options like you did in pre-cu swg anymore. 

and to this day whenever i think of pre-cu swg it makes me feel a little sick inside that i cant play that game in that state anymore because it truly was a great game.

and MC = mind control

Ermm did you read the OP? he mentioned Vanguard first. As for VG taking a year to sort out the ranger,that's not the point here. VG has had two very good pet classes since it was released and that is the shammy and the necro. The ranger has always been able to tame a pet but it's only the last 6 months when he has been able to have a permanent pet.

 

Psionicists can charm MOBs, not only taking them out of the fight, but forcing them to fight on behalf of the psionicist, thus giving the psionicist a temporary pet. Only one MOB may be charmed at any given time.

www.tentonhammer.com/node/59441

Again, you need to do your homework.

 

MCed anything =/= pets. A pet is an npc that you keep with you until you let it go, or destroy it. For instance, the hunters in WoW or Creature handlers in SWG.

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by billynomates

Originally posted by crpngdth

the op asked why mmo's coming out today dont have  good pet classes anymore, and from my experience it appears that devs have made a decision that those resources that it would take to do a pet class correctly are better spent on other areas of the game.  you were the one who brought up vanguard and not even vanguard had this done correctly at release, it took them 1 1/2 yrs to do it and thats why you dont see the pet options like you did in pre-cu swg anymore. 

and to this day whenever i think of pre-cu swg it makes me feel a little sick inside that i cant play that game in that state anymore because it truly was a great game.

and MC = mind control

Ermm did you read the OP? he mentioned Vanguard first. As for VG taking a year to sort out the ranger,that's not the point here. VG has had two very good pet classes since it was released and that is the shammy and the necro. The ranger has always been able to tame a pet but it's only the last 6 months when he has been able to have a permanent pet.

 

Psionicists can charm MOBs, not only taking them out of the fight, but forcing them to fight on behalf of the psionicist, thus giving the psionicist a temporary pet. Only one MOB may be charmed at any given time.

www.tentonhammer.com/node/59441

Again, you need to do your homework.

 

 

MCed anything =/= pets. A pet is an npc that you keep with you until you let it go, or destroy it. For instance, the hunters in WoW or Creature handlers in SWG.

Know one has said that the psionicists has a pet that it keeps,it can have temporary pets but that's not what this topic is about. My point is that VG has a very good pet system which works very well and offers more variety than WOW and many other mmorpg.

 VG Shammy has pet that it keeps and it can take it's pet's form as well,can a hunter in WOW take it's pets form?

 VG ranger can tame pets

 VG druid can have pets

 VG necro can have many undead pets out at one time and put stats on them.

 The OP obviously didn't do his home work on VandGuards pet system or else he would not of mentioned it.

 Yeah their are many mmorpg that have a crap class pet system but VG is not one of them.

Originally posted by Wizardry

Well since WOW copies instead of thinking ,that is why they cannot do anything right.FFXI has the best tamer class in BST,and that is because there is ALWAYS a challenge a risk,you actually feel like you are playing a realistic game.That is the way it should be because a pet is suppose to be a creature from the wild,not some tame pink pony you can ride around or some puppy dog wagging his tail following you around waiting for his SCOOBY snack.

BTW VG has a pet sytem,that game is leaps and bounds above WOW's entire game,so don't even go there.VG was a VERY big effort a huge challenge for a low budget developer,WOW has the budget,unlimited reources and came up with an entry level effort,sad really.

vanguard wasn't made by a low budget developer, they spent well over 30 million making the game and thats before they changed publisher and more money was spent, unfortunatly they wasted it. Sure its low budget now but it wasn't developed as a low budget game in the slightest. Vanguard and AoC are probably 2 of the biggest flops of large budget mmo's in history, both of them had huge budgets yet ruined massive potential by poor management and releaseing unfinished piles of crap. They have both improved alot now of course but the damage is done.

its a complete falacy to try and suggest wow came up with a budget system with unlimited resources when the developement costs for wow were very similar indeed to vanguard. Of course tons more has been spent on wow since release than vanguard since it was a sucess and vanguard a massive failure.

I havent played the game myself but ive heard Ether Saga has a pretty good pet system.

the thing with AOC's pet system i played a necromancer however i would class the pets more as a movable dot that does damage but doesnt hold the agro, like most pet classes nowadays most mmo's i dont think like pets as people use them to do all sorts of things the developers never envisanged.

consider the focus shield on pets in dark age of camelot i dont think mythic ever thought somoene would use that to effectivly kill every single large epic encounter (bar the dragon) in the game, or that by using a single underhill ally with mentalist hot it would totally replace 4 tanks in a exp group.

i think companies are moving away from combat pets to more eye candy type pets. but we will see, cant see what all the vangard bashing is about. A failiure in mmo terms is one that is canceled, Auto Assault and Tabula Rasa are failiures. Vangard just has a small population but as long as that population is enough to keep the servers going pay the bills then it will remain active.

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Originally posted by giggal

 
consider the focus shield on pets in dark age of camelot i dont think mythic ever thought somoene would use that to effectivly kill every single large epic encounter (bar the dragon) in the game, or that by using a single underhill ally with mentalist hot it would totally replace 4 tanks in a exp group.
 

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I played DAOC too (you dirty hib) and I played a class that could charm pets and Ive never read or seen anything close to what your claiming.

Exageration and hyperbole at best.

As far as your claims to games getting away from combat pets, I completely disagree there also. Oh I know that some games have what comes down to decoration pets, but that doesnt mean that developers are getting away from combat pets.

Originally posted by Ilvaldyr

Don't be so sure; TOR is planning on having "companions" (i.e. NPC pets) for "every" class.

I haven't decided if I want a sarcastic assassin droid or a leather-clad female twilek yet.

But yeah, WoW has a good pet-class mechanic. Shame it's got such a bad rep from the farmers.

I better be able to have an HK-47 companion.

BTW, UO had the best taming system. Nothing was better than taming your own mount and then owning the whole dungeon with a whole bunch of wyrms and dragons.

Originally posted by logangregor

 

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Originally posted by giggal

 
consider the focus shield on pets in dark age of camelot i dont think mythic ever thought somoene would use that to effectivly kill every single large epic encounter (bar the dragon) in the game, or that by using a single underhill ally with mentalist hot it would totally replace 4 tanks in a exp group.
 

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I played DAOC too (you dirty hib) and I played a class that could charm pets and Ive never read or seen anything close to what your claiming.

Exageration and hyperbole at best.

As far as your claims to games getting away from combat pets, I completely disagree there also. Oh I know that some games have what comes down to decoration pets, but that doesnt mean that developers are getting away from combat pets.

Yes there was a time that Enchanters could focus pull groups of mobs or epic mobs. For example, the horse and wyvern in teh Cursed Forest, The queen in the bog of cullen, the princess in Darkness Falls were all able to be focus pulled. This point in time helped create a lot of crappy tanks who didn't know how to play their class because they just stood there and added dps or just stood there.

With a druid, bard or ment, enchanter, and one other pbaoe class you could powerlevel at fins' groups like not other combination with focus pulling. Because of this, Mythic changed the Damage Shield's aggro code which caused mobs to aggro randomly on group members and not just the chanter pet.

wows hunter pets are fail vs UO tamer pets :( Iwashoping they would be better but IMO what wow offered was several steps behind what UO offered.

Im hoping SWTOR has a driod controller class or a pet control class. The npc/buddy system in TOR sounds really good