Originally posted by sa1yaman

Originally posted by Daedalus732

I'm really only considering playing the game because my brother and two best friends intend to play it. Otherwise I would write it off as another typical linear fantasy MMO.

 

 

you're a tool.

You should have said towel. :P

More like I'm someone who believes in the multiplayer part of MMORPG and enjoy playing with my friends, which often overrides game mechanics I find mediocre.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

OP Sounds like a raging ex WoW player.

Really tired of threads like this one, why can't people ever be objective?

The only reason he'd post this is to try to incite negative responces, which is essentially trolling.

This topic is pointless.

You're describing 99% of the posts on MMORPG.com

No one is going to be "objective". Everyone is going to give their opinions. Fortunately with Aion, everyone has the ability to at least try it before purchasing, so we can all form our own opinions on the game.

Originally posted by gaeanprayer

You lost me at "next to no textures". Aion has faults, but one of them is most definitely not its graphics. When everyone else comes to the same conclusion about something, do you think maybe it might be you? That's not to be rude, I mean perhaps your graphics card or options in the game need tweaking. Aion has incredibly realistic graphics and textures, especially for avatars and armor. I will grant you, the landscape feels like it comes from an older game (I give them '05-ish), but personally I never notice the ground I'm running on anyway unless it's lagging me. Nine times out of ten, the first time I log into a game I go into options and turn off trees/grass/water if able.

 

As for game version, a bit of research would tell you that topic has already been discussed at length. You are TESTING an older client, mostly for the sake of stress-testing servers and localization, while they continue localizing the 1.5 (newest) content. This is why the game is officially launching in September, instead of tomorrow. It will be launched at a version as close to recent as possible, which polishes the game even more and adds loads of things to do.

 

As for aiming for the WoW crowd, I fully agree with you. But I never minded WoW mechanics, so it doesn't bother me. Quest, level, be social, alt, etc....some people are into it, some are not. Not everything appeals to everyone, that is to be expected. Just be honest about it, instead of beefing up your critique with nonsense.

Yeah I mean I am running the game on a 3 year old laptop and it runs(and looks)  great on Medium-High mix settings. The graphics are probably the games most amazing feature next to the great music score.

At first I thought the game would really lag on my machine, Im very happy to be able to run it on a smooth 35-45 FPS average on near high settings. Its amazing how a game can look so good and run so smooth on mid-line hardware

edit: re: Daedalus732 last  post.
 

yet, flamewars continue. I for one just need enough ppl on  the server to play comfortably, as intended (not only aion). Rest is irelevant.

Originally posted by sa1yaman

edit: re: Daedalus732 last  post.
 

yet, flamewars continue. I for one just need enougn ppl on  the server to play comfortably, as intended (not only aion). Rest is irelevant.

 

Since beta is over once again, im sure the trolls think that since we are done playing that we will be here to be baited into their little world of how its a sucky game.  I dont have time for such nonsense as im learning about the evils of Gameguard and how it will conflict with my AV and cause crashes (which i have yet to see) and take control of my computer and kill me.

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I will grant you, the landscape feels like it comes from an older game (I give them '05-ish),

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Well it is a heavily modified CryEngine game, which was most notably used in Far Cry. ('04 game).

Is it just me or are all of these people who make these long winded posts all the same. They're the same grizzled MMO vet with the same attitude. Some people need to realize that innovation doesn't just fall out of a fucking tree and it doesn't happen often. Not to mention most of those who want innovation just want a prettier UO, go figure.

Point is trying to heavily criticize every game on having "no innovation" is going to pretty much shut out a very large portion of the market for you. MMOs are still a young genre in comparison to other genres and are still growing. It doesn't mean that innovation is bad by any means, just that a game doesn't have to be innovative to be a good experience.

Either way it clearly isn't your kind of game and I'm not sure why you would even try the beta at all if you didn't even like how the game looked, felt and the general style of the game. I'm not going to argue anything, of course, as it is your own opinion -- even though it's really long winded.

And the tech issues, I didn't have any issues all this beta and last beta. Compared to the issues I had during AoC and WAR's betas this is a breath of fresh air to me personally and should be how all MMOs are. If you really think this is the worst beta (speaking on a technical basis) you must not have been in many betas.

Originally posted by Kris.Kringle

I've played Beta 3 and 4 recently, as extensively as the client would allow me - which wasn't a whole lot of time in all honesty.  I managed to spend as much time trying to relog back in and maintaining my connection as well as putting up with insane lag.

But hey, it's BETA....right?

If this game had been released in 2001, I would have given it a 9/10.  Unfortunately, we are now in 2009.

It seems to me they have tried to aim the game at the 'WoW' crowd, and it feels dumbed down and assinine in it's presentation.  The anime cartoonish style, accompanied by huge mis-proportioned weapons adds credence to this comparison, and it is a typical Korean MMO with Blizzard overtones and gameplay.

I would imagine the game will run well on most reasonably up to date machines, due to the style of graphics and the fact there are next to no textures in the game.  Some of the scenery is 'nice', but lacks any sort of feature and in my opinion, is disappointing.  Characters look decent very close up, but as soon as any distance between them is engaged by zooming, the simplicity of the engine is highlighted and it just looks extremely 'average'.

This 'simplicity' will aid in mass PvP at a later stage, but in this day and age surely we should be expecting something a little better.  The gameplay itself is just stale.  It offers absolutely nothing new - except for flight - and the quests  couldn't be more boring, pointless and similar - if you like this concept you will be in your element.

For a game that is approaching it's first birthday in Korea, we in the West managed to get version 1.0 which has been obselete for months, and asked to test the localisation.  The performance was abysmal, and  probably the worst beta I have ever been involved in because of this one factor.  It has actually deteriorated in the two weeks since Beta 2, even though 2 more servers were added for the EU participants.  I played on both the new 'low' population servers provided, and the lag and rubberbanding was just laughable from a supposedly 'finished' product - their excuse of 'overloading' and 'stress testing' doesn't hold water because of the server I was playing on.  Is this annoyance due to 'Gameguard' anti-hax software?  I don't know.

Aion has a chance, due to the fact that the game is being aimed at folk who like this sort of casual junk.  I advise trying the proposed OB of this game or getting a free trial before parting with any cash.  I'll carry on waiting for something that has some innovation and thought behind it - if that ever arrives...

Scores 4/10 - Nothing new to see here, move along.

 

hmm thats strange, i played all weekend on one of the New EU servers: Fregion and had no problems that you mention, sounds like a problem at your end.

I had an excellent experience in CB4, and find the combat and control  fluid and responsive. I can only compare this to WAR and LOTRO where my character felt like it was moving in treacle, and in WAR my WP would flail its hammer about above its head for 20 seconds after combat finnished.

Originally posted by Kris.Kringle

Scores 4/10 - Nothing new to see here, move along.

 

so what game would u like to recommend for me to play on 2009 and i don't want to wait for next few more years to get something new to play and don't tell me to play wow, aoc, lotd or war i have had enough of american games with slow combat and boring chars design

Originally posted by Beachcomber

Originally posted by Kris.Kringle

I've played Beta 3 and 4 recently, as extensively as the client would allow me - which wasn't a whole lot of time in all honesty.  I managed to spend as much time trying to relog back in and maintaining my connection as well as putting up with insane lag.

But hey, it's BETA....right?

If this game had been released in 2001, I would have given it a 9/10.  Unfortunately, we are now in 2009.

It seems to me they have tried to aim the game at the 'WoW' crowd, and it feels dumbed down and assinine in it's presentation.  The anime cartoonish style, accompanied by huge mis-proportioned weapons adds credence to this comparison, and it is a typical Korean MMO with Blizzard overtones and gameplay.

I would imagine the game will run well on most reasonably up to date machines, due to the style of graphics and the fact there are next to no textures in the game.  Some of the scenery is 'nice', but lacks any sort of feature and in my opinion, is disappointing.  Characters look decent very close up, but as soon as any distance between them is engaged by zooming, the simplicity of the engine is highlighted and it just looks extremely 'average'.

This 'simplicity' will aid in mass PvP at a later stage, but in this day and age surely we should be expecting something a little better.  The gameplay itself is just stale.  It offers absolutely nothing new - except for flight - and the quests  couldn't be more boring, pointless and similar - if you like this concept you will be in your element.

For a game that is approaching it's first birthday in Korea, we in the West managed to get version 1.0 which has been obselete for months, and asked to test the localisation.  The performance was abysmal, and  probably the worst beta I have ever been involved in because of this one factor.  It has actually deteriorated in the two weeks since Beta 2, even though 2 more servers were added for the EU participants.  I played on both the new 'low' population servers provided, and the lag and rubberbanding was just laughable from a supposedly 'finished' product - their excuse of 'overloading' and 'stress testing' doesn't hold water because of the server I was playing on.  Is this annoyance due to 'Gameguard' anti-hax software?  I don't know.

Aion has a chance, due to the fact that the game is being aimed at folk who like this sort of casual junk.  I advise trying the proposed OB of this game or getting a free trial before parting with any cash.  I'll carry on waiting for something that has some innovation and thought behind it - if that ever arrives...

Scores 4/10 - Nothing new to see here, move along.

 

 

hmm thats strange, i played all weekend on one of the New EU servers: Fregion and had no problems that you mention, sounds like a problem at your end.

I had an excellent experience in CB4, and find the combat and control  fluid and responsive. I can only compare this to WAR and LOTRO where my character felt like it was moving in treacle, and in WAR my WP would flail its hammer about above its head for 20 seconds after combat finnished.

 

 

NA servers were having some lag and rubberbanding problems but as for myself i had no trouble with crashes.

Originally posted by Kris.Kringle

I've played Beta 3 and 4 recently, as extensively as the client would allow me - which wasn't a whole lot of time in all honesty.  I managed to spend as much time trying to relog back in and maintaining my connection as well as putting up with insane lag.

But hey, it's BETA....right?

If this game had been released in 2001, I would have given it a 9/10.  Unfortunately, we are now in 2009.

It seems to me they have tried to aim the game at the 'WoW' crowd, and it feels dumbed down and assinine in it's presentation.  The anime cartoonish style, accompanied by huge mis-proportioned weapons adds credence to this comparison, and it is a typical Korean MMO with Blizzard overtones and gameplay.

I would imagine the game will run well on most reasonably up to date machines, due to the style of graphics and the fact there are next to no textures in the game.  Some of the scenery is 'nice', but lacks any sort of feature and in my opinion, is disappointing.  Characters look decent very close up, but as soon as any distance between them is engaged by zooming, the simplicity of the engine is highlighted and it just looks extremely 'average'.

This 'simplicity' will aid in mass PvP at a later stage, but in this day and age surely we should be expecting something a little better.  The gameplay itself is just stale.  It offers absolutely nothing new - except for flight - and the quests  couldn't be more boring, pointless and similar - if you like this concept you will be in your element.

For a game that is approaching it's first birthday in Korea, we in the West managed to get version 1.0 which has been obselete for months, and asked to test the localisation.  The performance was abysmal, and  probably the worst beta I have ever been involved in because of this one factor.  It has actually deteriorated in the two weeks since Beta 2, even though 2 more servers were added for the EU participants.  I played on both the new 'low' population servers provided, and the lag and rubberbanding was just laughable from a supposedly 'finished' product - their excuse of 'overloading' and 'stress testing' doesn't hold water because of the server I was playing on.  Is this annoyance due to 'Gameguard' anti-hax software?  I don't know.

Aion has a chance, due to the fact that the game is being aimed at folk who like this sort of casual junk.  I advise trying the proposed OB of this game or getting a free trial before parting with any cash.  I'll carry on waiting for something that has some innovation and thought behind it - if that ever arrives...

Scores 4/10 - Nothing new to see here, move along.

 

There is only 1 face option that even looks remotely similar to a anime. The rest all look asian. I'd find the photo but im lazy. There is one from a cosplay of a korean lady in cosplay RIGHT NEXT to a aion banner and her facial perportions where almost identical. I think you are confusing anime with the asian people.

Also for characters looking detailed upclose then looking likecrap when u zoom out... Well..... There is a default box selected when you jump in game that reduces character detail at a certain range, to prevent lag. You are an idiot for not turning it off. You already fail to find all the solutions to your problems so MMO's are not for you. maybe should you play some harry potter instead.

Also you need to take into account that aion not being super revolutionary isn't anything new. In fact, many many times has NCsoft specifically stated that they are just trying to make a really polish and fun MMORPG, not reinvent the wheel. They've thrown the spoon to the proper audience and they are doing a great job at getting it, the only ones I see complaining have something more specific they are looking for in a game, or are just cursed forum cynics stuck in the cycle of forum talk.

Originally posted by Gugis

Why all new MMO's calling WoW copies?  But nobody matters that WoW is EQ copy.

Sorry for my English.

I think because these same people consider the early EQ to be hardcore and challenging where as they see Wow as a very watered down version of EQ. However I could never stand either game so don't take my opinon as the gosphel.

 Get a flipping life. You have 17 post the first half bashing warhammer, and the second half bashing aion.

- The performance is not like you have stated, but the rubberbanding does happen from time to time.

- Shouldn't a game from the East have eastern influence? YES! (It's a nice change up from the same elf/dwarf/human mix)

- You're knocking huge weapons . . . since when do people not like huge weapons, not to mention the combat and animations are huge to match the weapons. The combo systems makes the game feel more like an arcade fighter at times.

As a word of advice: If you want people to read your entire flame rant try adding something you like about the game. This game is far from 2001, but your thoughts are vastly out dated.

Originally posted by krityc

 Get a flipping life. You have 17 post the first half bashing warhammer, and the second half bashing aion.

- The performance is not like you have stated, but the rubberbanding does happen from time to time.

- Shouldn't a game from the East have eastern influence? YES! (It's a nice change up from the same elf/dwarf/human mix)

- You're knocking huge weapons . . . since when do people not like huge weapons, not to mention the combat and animations are huge to match the weapons. The combo systems makes the game feel more like an arcade fighter at times.

As a word of advice: If you want people to read your entire flame rant try adding something you like about the game. This game is far from 2001, but your thoughts are vastly out dated.

I had my body-build friend test n prove that huge weapons like in aion are possible to use, just not by people who dont work out a shit-ton.
 

As someone who works out alot but not enough to be a body-builder, I was able to lift and swing it alright, but being "efficient" with it takes some real brawn

Lag? What lag are you possibly talking about? I had everything maxed out on the settings and even in the newbie areas where there where enormous amounts of players in the area, I had no lag what so ever.....not even a slight amount. Whether you like the game or not, one thing is pretty certain it is not laggy.

Originally posted by Kris.Kringle

I've played Beta 3 and 4 recently, as extensively as the client would allow me - which wasn't a whole lot of time in all honesty.  I managed to spend as much time trying to relog back in and maintaining my connection as well as putting up with insane lag.

But hey, it's BETA....right?

If this game had been released in 2001, I would have given it a 9/10.  Unfortunately, we are now in 2009.

It seems to me they have tried to aim the game at the 'WoW' crowd, and it feels dumbed down and assinine in it's presentation.  The anime cartoonish style, accompanied by huge mis-proportioned weapons adds credence to this comparison, and it is a typical Korean MMO with Blizzard overtones and gameplay.

I would imagine the game will run well on most reasonably up to date machines, due to the style of graphics and the fact there are next to no textures in the game.  Some of the scenery is 'nice', but lacks any sort of feature and in my opinion, is disappointing.  Characters look decent very close up, but as soon as any distance between them is engaged by zooming, the simplicity of the engine is highlighted and it just looks extremely 'average'.

This 'simplicity' will aid in mass PvP at a later stage, but in this day and age surely we should be expecting something a little better.  The gameplay itself is just stale.  It offers absolutely nothing new - except for flight - and the quests  couldn't be more boring, pointless and similar - if you like this concept you will be in your element.

For a game that is approaching it's first birthday in Korea, we in the West managed to get version 1.0 which has been obselete for months, and asked to test the localisation.  The performance was abysmal, and  probably the worst beta I have ever been involved in because of this one factor.  It has actually deteriorated in the two weeks since Beta 2, even though 2 more servers were added for the EU participants.  I played on both the new 'low' population servers provided, and the lag and rubberbanding was just laughable from a supposedly 'finished' product - their excuse of 'overloading' and 'stress testing' doesn't hold water because of the server I was playing on.  Is this annoyance due to 'Gameguard' anti-hax software?  I don't know.

Aion has a chance, due to the fact that the game is being aimed at folk who like this sort of casual junk.  I advise trying the proposed OB of this game or getting a free trial before parting with any cash.  I'll carry on waiting for something that has some innovation and thought behind it - if that ever arrives...

Scores 4/10 - Nothing new to see here, move along.

 

Dude check your internet connection or router. I play this game at home, with my N router and broadband connection with no problems. I try the game out at my friends house who has DSL split up between 2 routers, 1 taking about 80% of the connection and we're using the one with only 20% at the same time and we disconnected sometimes.

Originally posted by Kris.Kringle

I've played Beta 3 and 4 recently, as extensively as the client would allow me - which wasn't a whole lot of time in all honesty.  I managed to spend as much time trying to relog back in and maintaining my connection as well as putting up with insane lag.

But hey, it's BETA....right?

If this game had been released in 2001, I would have given it a 9/10.  Unfortunately, we are now in 2009.

It seems to me they have tried to aim the game at the 'WoW' crowd, and it feels dumbed down and assinine in it's presentation.  The anime cartoonish style, accompanied by huge mis-proportioned weapons adds credence to this comparison, and it is a typical Korean MMO with Blizzard overtones and gameplay.

I would imagine the game will run well on most reasonably up to date machines, due to the style of graphics and the fact there are next to no textures in the game.  Some of the scenery is 'nice', but lacks any sort of feature and in my opinion, is disappointing.  Characters look decent very close up, but as soon as any distance between them is engaged by zooming, the simplicity of the engine is highlighted and it just looks extremely 'average'.

This 'simplicity' will aid in mass PvP at a later stage, but in this day and age surely we should be expecting something a little better.  The gameplay itself is just stale.  It offers absolutely nothing new - except for flight - and the quests  couldn't be more boring, pointless and similar - if you like this concept you will be in your element.

For a game that is approaching it's first birthday in Korea, we in the West managed to get version 1.0 which has been obselete for months, and asked to test the localisation.  The performance was abysmal, and  probably the worst beta I have ever been involved in because of this one factor.  It has actually deteriorated in the two weeks since Beta 2, even though 2 more servers were added for the EU participants.  I played on both the new 'low' population servers provided, and the lag and rubberbanding was just laughable from a supposedly 'finished' product - their excuse of 'overloading' and 'stress testing' doesn't hold water because of the server I was playing on.  Is this annoyance due to 'Gameguard' anti-hax software?  I don't know.

Aion has a chance, due to the fact that the game is being aimed at folk who like this sort of casual junk.  I advise trying the proposed OB of this game or getting a free trial before parting with any cash.  I'll carry on waiting for something that has some innovation and thought behind it - if that ever arrives...

Scores 4/10 - Nothing new to see here, move along.

 

I dunno what games you are playing in 2001 with graphics and features like Aion. I wouldnt care about your opinion when you go as far as to call Aion a 2001 mmo.

 I dont get it; ive had no problems with connection .. lag or even rubberband effects. With my 1440x900 resolution and the textures maxed even when i am far away from my people or anyone they still look pretty darn good to me. Yeah the textures on the ground arent that good, but have you seen the character animations? ill take having my guy do something different per spell and actually hit the person instead of swinging a magical sword through them over and over and over again with the same effects for a little lack of grass or ground. Hah. I dunno, i smell troll x10 here, and thats what im claiming you to be.

A nasty smelly troll.

I totally disagree, you had a bad experience and now the game sucks forever for you... lol

Sorry but no.

I would expect the closer we get to release the more we will see these posts. Yes Aion has a few flaws but most of the ones you mention are not flaws as much as personal preference.

did u copy someone's review back in 2001?  lol.  nice try but go back to WoW we wont miss u.

I came into your post here with an open mind.  But you went way past the unbiased tone you were trying to set in your first sentences and have left us with no real information, just your own biased  opinion.  Now, I don't blame you for not liking aion, from what little time you've had on it you've obviously not taken a liking to it (which makes me wonder why you kept coming back for each beta).  But the little information you gave everyone is just not true.  Aion is an incredibly polished game at this point, mainly due to the fact it has been out for almost a year and we are going to get the 1.5 version of this game (check the patch notes somewhere if your curious, we will be getting tons of content), not the 1.0 you mentioned.  Also I've played WoW, and contrary to your feelings, I feel like this game is not anything like it.  To make a point- The combat is much different, from the skills you use to the speed of things happening, the way the rng works, hell maybe the UI is similar but it definately takes more from L2 than WoW.  And the whole nice game for 2001, do you even know what games were out in 2001?  Seriously. the more I look back on your post the more respect I lose for you.  Get that weaksauce outta here.

Originally posted by Kris.Kringle

If this game had been released in 2001, I would have given it a 9/10.  

So then you loved it. Because in 2001, mmorpg's were great.

I played the beta with my fiancee' over the weekend and got 2 dc's, and about an hour or so of rubberbanding...however it was on the high pop server and only about 10% of time played, so overall its nothing like the OP says it is.  Beta servers are meant for TESTING and those tests & metrics which NCSoft gather throughout, may or may not have much to do with release servers and what it will be like then...

If we used network connectivity as heuristic for how successful the game will be, WoW would be not even remotely close to what it is today - as its beta might have been the WORST lag I've yet to see, except in maybe the Matrix online beta (yikes).

Nonetheless, My fiancee loves the game and I find it a tad better than average.  The wings added more than I thought, and the skill animations & character textures are quite good;  however the 2 largest bones I will pick with the game are - hillsides with absolutely no textures, look like blobs & it very awkward among other things...and Item base (there are barely any items currently).

Though any issues stated (network stuff & flames) and my quams (items & hillsides) will without a doubt be improved upon at release, so really the game looks very solid compared to almost all MMO releases to date...But still a few events & time to tell :)

2001? Good times, lol - as in that day ANY mmo was practically a great thing, as they were still a growing trend :)

Originally posted by Electriceye

Mmm bashing the performance and stability of Aion, and the "simplicity" of the client? Riiiiiight.

Apart from the fact that performance and stability are stellar even on 1.0 (we're getting 1.5 in NA/EU, if you give a damn anyway), and that Aion has the BEST Graphics/Performance ratio on the market, complaining about the "simplicity" (what??) of the client is laughable.

And of course adding the one obvious and well known "issue" with Aion, which is linear questing in the early levels. Very unpredictable. Sorry, but:
 

Ahaha nice troll picture! It made me giggle, thanks... :D

Originally posted by vash79

Lag? What lag are you possibly talking about? I had everything maxed out on the settings and even in the newbie areas where there where enormous amounts of players in the area, I had no lag what so ever.....not even a slight amount. Whether you like the game or not, one thing is pretty certain it is not laggy.

As I've already mentioned, go to the CB forums and check out the bulging thread started by the community manager there - oh wait, you weren't testing you were just playing, right?