Has anyone here read the actual first post of this topic???   probably not.. there plenty of people to go around and bash everyone im sure... I am an American and I love my country.. Im Polish and German heritage... I dont hyphonize my name like some do.. I am an American and I have defended her when she needed me and would do it again... I cant say for some of you but If most people out of high school would HAVE to spend some time SERVEing this country, they might appreciate what they have here.. and yes  you ALL have the right to bash and even be racists... thanks to our founding fathers...   Kwosh

Originally posted by Shastra

 

 

silly? so i am being silly if i believe that Indians are the real Americans?

Shastra,

Indians come from India, We (The native peoples of the US) prefer the term "Native Americans".

Just as I'm sure people from France prefer to be called "French" as opposed to "Frog".

Originally posted by Death1942

Originally posted by Teala

Australia, can we leave them out of this?  No way.  Are you kidding I am on a role here.  What country recently apologized to it's indigenous population for it's gratuitous violence toward another people?  Can we say Australia and how it treated it's indigenous peoples?  We can.    Why?  Because the Australians(though most are very nice people) had some bad apples and those bad apples did some pretty horrible things to it's original owners.   

 

so true, and it was one of the best days in this countries history when the nation said sorry after years of arrogance from a former PM.  You do raise some good points in that post but i think the difference between Americans and the rest of the world (generally...which is stupid of me but meh) is that Americans are seemingly more patriotic about their nation which leads to more (yes, patriots exist everywhere) silly comments than other countries.  There are people in Germany who deny the Holocaust ever happened...seems silly but every country has these silly people.

Ever heard of the word "hooligan"?   That is the term used by Europeans to describe patriotic or over zealous, nationalistic arse holes.   Why?  Because of all the flag waving "hooligans" that go to soccer matches across Europe and say and do some pretty terrible things.    Yeah...all countries, all countries, have these and not just America.
 

Originally posted by Broomy

Originally posted by Teala

Let's look at the greatness of other countries, why single out America.  

 

Pointing a finger at other countries doesnt alleviate what's been done here.  What your doing is typical, cant face the truth so you try to distract from the argument by pointing out what others have done.  Very weak tactic. You said something about the American ideal being good...I asked for Whom?  you respond by pointing out the evils of other countries.  More ignorance.  It never ends.  Please for the love of god shutup already.  And when you make a point (ie: America being a good ideal) try qualifying it next time.  Because Amerikka wasn't a good ideal but a nitemare for some. 

 

 

America is a great ideal in concept (Everyone has certain unalienable rights), but as we can see, never works out too well when you play it out. I'm not seeing how it's a nightmare, to any. Hell, some people can't say anything about their government without getting imprisioned.

Also, compareing the evils of other countries, to the evils of America, it would seem America hasn't done as bad as others.

Originally posted by thexrated

Originally posted by Teala

Let's look at the greatness of other countries, why single out America.  Let's look at the whole world and all it's people.    Where do we start?   How about Africa?  Did slavery begin in America?  No.  Let's give credit where credit is due why don't we.   The people of Africa can lay claim to that little invention of social behavior.   Sad though that so many other peoples thought it was good and took up the prcatice of it - not just American's, including - the British, the French, the Germans, the Italians...I could go on...but I do not think it is necessary.

Why single out America? Perhaps because of the title of this thread?

Let's look at the bad Americans and how the decimated the indigenous populations of NA.   Did it begin with them?... snipping  the rant ...thank what ever God/Gods exist that I live in the US!

Look...I can go back through history and give little examples of other countries and how they are or were.  The point I am making is this.  No peoples, no country, no government is the best and during our history of the human race - our ancestors, yours, mine and everyone whose ever walked this planet is guilty of something and for you to sit in your smugness and single out the US as this terrible nation of bad people is not going to every change the fact that your nations did things before America even existed and in a lot of cases yours did it "better".   Your countries and your ancestors and my ancestors(the ones from Europe) slaughtered hundreds of millions of peoples, whether in the name of religion, beliefs, nation building, or simply because they were different - your ancestors and my ancestors did it first and you cannot rewrite history -it happened and nothing you or I do will ever change that fact.  

So when can I start slamming other countries and the people that live there for the way your country is?   You seem to think it is fine to slam mine - when can I start singling out yours?

I think you act so predictably. In my view this thread was both funny and full of irony. The very reason for this was that some chose to take it so seriously. You know, I was called "racist" for pointing out that computer was not invented by Americans. Just read the thread again and see if you still feel like you need to reply like this is a political/historical forum. Some of us were just trying to throw some logs into the flames of ingorance that were already burning so brightly.

 

I posted what I did when others decided to attack my country with verbage rather than discuss the main topic of the thread.    My post I created is true and I dare you or anyone to try to deny what I wrote is not true.   I did not start this thread and I do not care for the original title of it - it was poorly written.   Nevertheless, the total hate and disdain that was aimed ay my country was uncalled for and not necessary.   So I thought I would retrun the favor and point out that America may not be all that - but neither is anyone elses.    I think this thread needs deleted.   It should have not been allowed to stay active this long.
 

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Death1942

Originally posted by Teala

Australia, can we leave them out of this?  No way.  Are you kidding I am on a role here.  What country recently apologized to it's indigenous population for it's gratuitous violence toward another people?  Can we say Australia and how it treated it's indigenous peoples?  We can.    Why?  Because the Australians(though most are very nice people) had some bad apples and those bad apples did some pretty horrible things to it's original owners.   

 

so true, and it was one of the best days in this countries history when the nation said sorry after years of arrogance from a former PM.  You do raise some good points in that post but i think the difference between Americans and the rest of the world (generally...which is stupid of me but meh) is that Americans are seemingly more patriotic about their nation which leads to more (yes, patriots exist everywhere) silly comments than other countries.  There are people in Germany who deny the Holocaust ever happened...seems silly but every country has these silly people.

Ever heard of the word "hooligan"?   That is the term used by Europeans to describe patriotic or over zealous, nationalistic arse holes.   Why?  Because of all the flag waving "hooligans" that go to soccer matches across Europe and say and do some pretty terrible things.    Yeah...all countries, all countries, have these and not just America.
 

 Yes attack others,since you have no way of defending yourself.Whilst all the other countrys and such indeed may have done bad things,they have learned from their mistakes,it was a different mentaly back then ,it's a different one now.

 What other countrys did is history,wich is rememberd soo that it may not repeat itself,every bad and good thing is rememberd,look at all the countrys ,they no longer have a desire for war,for expanding their territories.

 Now look at america,it keeps instigating wars,keeps provoking millions of deaths,america did more horrible things that what other countrys did,and the fact is that whenever you do something bad,you erase it,soo you will never learn.

 America is a country without any real history or culture,no ordeals and no traditions,you attack countrys that have strived much to keep their culture and way of life ,tho they might have done horrible things,they did good too.

 America has not done a single good thing ,they only make things worse,the second war in Iraq ,what did it do ?

 It caused 9/11 ,irronicly the old american saying springs right to mind "You reap what you sow",you springboarded terrorism to such highs,did you think that bombing and killing children would have no repercursions as long as you claimed you were protecting freedom ?

 All in all,I hope americans remain arrogant,cause the years to their final end is ticking close,then humanity can finaly start to become one.

Originally posted by sanders01

America is a great ideal in concept (Everyone has certain unalienable rights), but as we can see, never works out too well when you play it out. I'm not seeing how it's a nightmare, to any. Hell, some people can't say anything about their government without getting imprisioned.

Also, compareing the evils of other countries, to the evils of America, it would seem America hasn't done as bad as others.

More playing at "Let's compare"!  I am not comparing. I am discussing THIS country, America, no matter how hard some try to distract from that.  Many civilizations have been run democratically and recognized individual rights.  And what does that have to do with the price of tea in communist China or this discussion?  Nothing.  Let's stick on topic, but Ill be happy to join another topic about other countries if you want to start a thread on it. 

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by Broomy

Originally posted by Teala

Let's look at the greatness of other countries, why single out America.  

 

Pointing a finger at other countries doesnt alleviate what's been done here.  What your doing is typical, cant face the truth so you try to distract from the argument by pointing out what others have done.  Very weak tactic. You said something about the American ideal being good...I asked for Whom?  you respond by pointing out the evils of other countries.  More ignorance.  It never ends.  Please for the love of god shutup already.  And when you make a point (ie: America being a good ideal) try qualifying it next time.  Because Amerikka wasn't a good ideal but a nitemare for some. 

 

 

America is a great ideal in concept (Everyone has certain unalienable rights), but as we can see, never works out too well when you play it out. I'm not seeing how it's a nightmare, to any. Hell, some people can't say anything about their government without getting imprisioned.

Also, compareing the evils of other countries, to the evils of America, it would seem America hasn't done as bad as others.

The problem is you seem to find it necessary to point out my countries short comings and neglect to look back at yours and anyone elses countries short comings.  When you do this it means you still cannot take the truth.  The truth is America may have done some terrible things in its history - but I can show you a history of other countries and their peoples that make the US look like a saint.    Ironic isn't it.   

Originally posted by Broomy

Originally posted by sanders01

America is a great ideal in concept (Everyone has certain unalienable rights), but as we can see, never works out too well when you play it out. I'm not seeing how it's a nightmare, to any. Hell, some people can't say anything about their government without getting imprisioned.

Also, compareing the evils of other countries, to the evils of America, it would seem America hasn't done as bad as others.

 

More playing at "Let's compare"!  I am not comparing. I am discussing THIS country, America, no matter how hard some try to distract from that.  Many civilizations have been run democratically and recognized individual rights.  And what does that have to do with the price of tea in communist China or this discussion?  Nothing.  Let's stick on topic, but Ill be happy to join another topic about other countries if you want to start a thread on it. 

LOL. I'm sorry if trying to defend the HARD bashing you're giving my country, which it would seem is your country too. Your statements are backed up by nothing, it's pure opinion. But you're trying to make everyone believe it's the only way to think, and that if we think America is great, and you think it's shit, we're just wrong.

Originally posted by Teala

I posted what I did when others decided to attack my country with verbage rather than discuss the main topic of the thread.    My post I created is true and I dare you or anyone to try to deny what I wrote is not true.   I did not start this thread and I do not care for the original title of it - it was poorly written.   Nevertheless, the total hate and disdain that was aimed ay my country was uncalled for and not necessary.   So I thought I would retrun the favor and point out that America may not be all that - but neither is anyone elses.    I think this thread needs deleted.   It should have not been allowed to stay active this long.
 

What you did was point out the faults of other countries because you couldnt respond to what was being said about yours.  This my Dear is commonly called a "Cop-Out".  And most people dont like copouts.  And whats the obsession with getting this thread deleted?  Feeling exposed?  Probably. 

I always find it interesting how humans are able to magnify their differences and squabble over them until something grander in scale eclipses them and shows how truely irrelevant they really are. While many people are here squabbling over the difference in nationality, throwing terribly flawed generalizations, and pretty much just being jerks to each other, you damn well know if Aliens invaded tomorrow, the vast majority of people would put aside their differences, and band together as Humans.

Originally posted by sanders01

LOL. I'm sorry if trying to defend the HARD bashing you're giving my country, which it would seem is your country too. Your statements are backed up by nothing, it's pure opinion. But you're trying to make everyone believe it's the only way to think, and that if we think America is great, and you think it's shit, we're just wrong.

What "HARD" bashing?  What statements?  Did I miss something? 

Originally posted by IronZ

  I got fired up over douchebags slamming my nation ( I actually love my country, go figure).  I wish you peace, love, and all that silly shit, lol.  You don't like America, good for you.  I do. 

I think it is one of those aspects I do not understand. I like my country, but I would never love a concept like that.  While I think my country is a pretty good place to live and it is also very highly rated on all kinds of international meters. However, I have no concept of how to "love" a country. I have served my country, but not due to love or feeling of patriotism, but because it is expected of us. I also have lived in other countries, including the US. I can say that there is some truth to the saying, "Your home is where your heart is", but not because of love, at least not for me.  It is feeling of familiarity  to me and there is some comfort in that.

I have often been asked whether I would die for my country when debating with Americans, and I have to say that I rather would not. It would have to a very special situation where I would use a weapon against a fellow human being. And borders alone are not a good enough reason for me.

I also do not feel the need to defend my country against verbal abuses to the degree that many Americans do. Now, of course, my country is not a spotlight all the time, but I still probably would consider it absurd.

Nationalism and patriotism simply are not for me. And it seems in so many ways unique to Americans when face critisicism, regardless of its validity. You can predict how many of them are going to respond.

Originally posted by demolishIX

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Death1942

Originally posted by Teala

Australia, can we leave them out of this?  No way.  Are you kidding I am on a role here.  What country recently apologized to it's indigenous population for it's gratuitous violence toward another people?  Can we say Australia and how it treated it's indigenous peoples?  We can.    Why?  Because the Australians(though most are very nice people) had some bad apples and those bad apples did some pretty horrible things to it's original owners.   

 

so true, and it was one of the best days in this countries history when the nation said sorry after years of arrogance from a former PM.  You do raise some good points in that post but i think the difference between Americans and the rest of the world (generally...which is stupid of me but meh) is that Americans are seemingly more patriotic about their nation which leads to more (yes, patriots exist everywhere) silly comments than other countries.  There are people in Germany who deny the Holocaust ever happened...seems silly but every country has these silly people.

Ever heard of the word "hooligan"?   That is the term used by Europeans to describe patriotic or over zealous, nationalistic arse holes.   Why?  Because of all the flag waving "hooligans" that go to soccer matches across Europe and say and do some pretty terrible things.    Yeah...all countries, all countries, have these and not just America.
 

 

 Yes attack others,since you have no way of defending yourself.Whilst all the other countrys and such indeed may have done bad things,they have learned from their mistakes,it was a different mentaly back then ,it's a different one now.

 What other countrys did is history,wich is rememberd soo that it may not repeat itself,every bad and good thing is rememberd,look at all the countrys ,they no longer have a desire for war,for expanding their territories.

 Now look at america,it keeps instigating wars,keeps provoking millions of deaths,america did more horrible things that what other countrys did,and the fact is that whenever you do something bad,you erase it,soo you will never learn.

 America is a country without any real history or culture,no ordeals and no traditions,you attack countrys that have strived much to keep their culture and way of life ,tho they might have done horrible things,they did good too.

 America has not done a single good thing ,they only make things worse,the second war in Iraq ,what did it do ?

 It caused 9/11 ,irronicly the old american saying springs right to mind "You reap what you sow",you springboarded terrorism to such highs,did you think that bombing and killing children would have no repercursions as long as you claimed you were protecting freedom ?

 

 All in all,I hope americans remain arrogant,cause the years to their final end is ticking close,then humanity can finaly start to become one.

 

Your arrogance is showing it's true colors now and you continue to say that my country is a bad country.    I bring up other countries histories because other countries made mistakes and continue to make mistakes - the US is no different.   However for you to say what you are saying is so far out there it isn't even worth commenting on.   Because for you to say that America has never done anything good is so totally untrue it makes you look like the one that is being arrogant and ignorant.

In the wise words of Samuel L. Jackson (sorta)

Enough is enough!  I have had it with these mother fucking trolls in this mother fucking thread.  Everybody go uninstall,  im about to open some fucking windows.

Ah, that was fun.

It greatly disappoints me when I see people generalizing an entire country. Just because one person acts like utter fool, it does not mean that everyone in that country is a fool as well. However, I tend to agree with a few people here. Most of the world dislikes the US. I am not saying that Americans are idiots. I am stating that a rather large number of countries do not like the US in general. Why? Americans tend to not mind their own business most of the time. Politically, and socially. In terms of gaming experience, I've had a much more pleaseant time gaming with those from the United Kingdom. I've had VERY good times with them. However, when playing in a very American-only environment, my gaming experience tends to diminish. Once again, I am not saying that ALL american players are no fun to play with, and that ALL british players are fun to play with. Not true. I've had good times with American players,  and horrible times with British players. Now, can we quit the generalization and move on please?

Thank you.

Originally posted by Teala 

The problem is you seem to find it necessary to point out my countries short comings and neglect to look back at yours and anyone elses countries short comings.  When you do this it means you still cannot take the truth.  The truth is America may have done some terrible things in its history - but I can show you a history of other countries and their peoples that make the US look like a saint.    Ironic isn't it.   

Red Herring - "Don't you dare to criticise my country, let's discuss yours"

Originally posted by Broomy

Originally posted by Teala

I posted what I did when others decided to attack my country with verbage rather than discuss the main topic of the thread.    My post I created is true and I dare you or anyone to try to deny what I wrote is not true.   I did not start this thread and I do not care for the original title of it - it was poorly written.   Nevertheless, the total hate and disdain that was aimed ay my country was uncalled for and not necessary.   So I thought I would retrun the favor and point out that America may not be all that - but neither is anyone elses.    I think this thread needs deleted.   It should have not been allowed to stay active this long.
 

 

What you did was point out the faults of other countries because you couldnt respond to what was being said about yours.  This my Dear is commonly called a "Cop-Out".  And most people dont like copouts.  And whats the obsession with getting this thread deleted?  Feeling exposed?  Probably. 

No it is called defending through the use of experiences.   When induviduals such as yourself fail to look back at history and to recognize that man is capable of terrible things no matter what race, creed or religion they maybe - whether in the here and now or in the past - and "you" point fingers at one instead of all - then it is customary to point out that none is free of sin.   I am not religious - but someone was once quoted as saying 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone..' - I like to think this is a good thing for all to learn.   Some just seem to think of them as silly words.  I do not however.   Because they make a lot of sense.

Originally posted by thexrated

Originally posted by Teala 

The problem is you seem to find it necessary to point out my countries short comings and neglect to look back at yours and anyone elses countries short comings.  When you do this it means you still cannot take the truth.  The truth is America may have done some terrible things in its history - but I can show you a history of other countries and their peoples that make the US look like a saint.    Ironic isn't it.   

 

Red Herring - "Don't you dare to criticise my country, let's discuss yours"

No.  Let's discuss mine and yours.   But while we're at it let's be honest and up front.   Let's not just look at my countries bad points and then not look at yours.   Clearly that is all you wish to do.   Now why is that?

disable game sound and listen music :P

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by thexrated

Originally posted by Teala 

The problem is you seem to find it necessary to point out my countries short comings and neglect to look back at yours and anyone elses countries short comings.  When you do this it means you still cannot take the truth.  The truth is America may have done some terrible things in its history - but I can show you a history of other countries and their peoples that make the US look like a saint.    Ironic isn't it.   

 

Red Herring - "Don't you dare to criticise my country, let's discuss yours"

 

No.  Let's discuss mine and yours.   But while we're at it let's be honest and up front.   Let's not just look at my countries bad points and then not look at yours.   Clearly that is all you wish to do.   Now why is that?

Because this thread is about Americanization. A thought we cherish so much :)

A Red Herring is still A Red Herring. 

You do not happen to be Teala from vnboards, btw? Just in case you are, that would explain a lot.

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by Broomy

Originally posted by Teala

I posted what I did when others decided to attack my country with verbage rather than discuss the main topic of the thread.    My post I created is true and I dare you or anyone to try to deny what I wrote is not true.   I did not start this thread and I do not care for the original title of it - it was poorly written.   Nevertheless, the total hate and disdain that was aimed ay my country was uncalled for and not necessary.   So I thought I would retrun the favor and point out that America may not be all that - but neither is anyone elses.    I think this thread needs deleted.   It should have not been allowed to stay active this long.
 

 

What you did was point out the faults of other countries because you couldnt respond to what was being said about yours.  This my Dear is commonly called a "Cop-Out".  And most people dont like copouts.  And whats the obsession with getting this thread deleted?  Feeling exposed?  Probably. 

 

No it is called defending through the use of experiences.   When induviduals such as yourself fail to look back at history and to recognize that man is capable of terrible things no matter what race, creed or religion they maybe - whether in the here and now or in the past - and "you" point fingers at one instead of all - then it is customary to point out that none is free of sin.   I am not religious - but someone was once quoted as saying 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone..' - I like to think this is a good thing for all to learn.   Some just seem to think of them as silly words.  I do not however.   Because they make a lot of since.

Please spare me the BS,  people always point fingers when they cant face the truth about themselves.  Sorry kid but it's not flying here.  I will repeat what you said: America was a good ideal...I asked for whom?  You then frantically began pointing fingers at other countries and their faults and history.  That's how it went down. 

The TOPIC was related to  america not the "evil that men do".  And dont throw biblical verses at me, considering your responses and posts,  that's close to blasphemy. 

Originally posted by Abrahmm

I always find it interesting how humans are able to magnify their differences and squabble over them until something grander in scale eclipses them and shows how truely irrelevant they really are. While many people are here squabbling over the difference in nationality, throwing terribly flawed generalizations, and pretty much just being jerks to each other, you damn well know if Aliens invaded tomorrow, the vast majority of people would put aside their differences, and band together as Humans.

Oh great! And now thanks to you when the aliens DO attack tomorrow the Earthlings just might be a little better prepared to set aside their differences and team up to fight us. That is your last screw up me laddio. We are drumming you right out of the Martian Assault Force! I knew you were a bloody security risk when I first set all ten eyes on you.

Broomy, if you hate the US so much why are you still here?  I'm sure there are plenty of other countries that would take you in.

Originally posted by thexrated

Originally posted by Teala

Originally posted by thexrated

Originally posted by Teala 

The problem is you seem to find it necessary to point out my countries short comings and neglect to look back at yours and anyone elses countries short comings.  When you do this it means you still cannot take the truth.  The truth is America may have done some terrible things in its history - but I can show you a history of other countries and their peoples that make the US look like a saint.    Ironic isn't it.   

 

Red Herring - "Don't you dare to criticise my country, let's discuss yours"

 

No.  Let's discuss mine and yours.   But while we're at it let's be honest and up front.   Let's not just look at my countries bad points and then not look at yours.   Clearly that is all you wish to do.   Now why is that?

 

Because this thread is about Americanization. A thought we cherish so much :)

A Red Herring is still A Red Herring. 

You do not happen to be Teala from vnboards, btw? Just in case you are, that would explain a lot.

Actually the OPs point was to WESTERNIZE Aion instead of keeping the Asian themed sounds when the game releases in Europe and America. Something the game company IS BLOODY DOING!!! Sadly since he used the word Americanize instead of Westernize a bunch of people got their feelings bruised and immediately jumped in with their two cents without really paying attention to what the thread was about. Some of us with reading comprehension could not resist jumping aboard the Good Ship Stupidity and help stoke the boilers to send these wounded and ill-informed posters on their way into the iceberg of idiocy. Thank you. Those of you we meant to mock performed with flying colors.

Smile you are on Candid bloody Camera.