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Originally posted by Ginaz Because arguing is the closest thing to entertainment a game iike this will ever truly attain? |
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Originally posted by heartless
That's what I got out of that sentence as well. Personally, if faced with a choice of either playing Darkfall or a WoW-clone, I'd rather play Darkfall. Thankfully, there are much better alternatives to Darkfall like EVE and UO (private shards).
If you like auto attack :( |
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Originally posted by Alienovrlord Because arguing is the closest thing to entertainment a game iike this will ever truly attain?
Touche. |
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Originally posted by parrotpholk
the review is so true darkfall is a terrible game |
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Tsaos was right to question the legitimacy of their so-called re-review. Eurogamer was in the position of not being able to admit they fucked up royally the first time, but also not being able to let the original stand because it was so blatantly shoddy. They can't allow the rereview to be even a 6/10, because admiting that much would put egg all over their face. A 4/10 lets them admit that they didn't do proper justice to the first review without having to admit that the first one was too far off base. |
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Originally posted by Trenchgun
A 4/10 is what many players rated the game, it's the exact score that I gave the game after three months of play. |
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only a minority of those who play Darkfall rate it 4 / 10. Last poll i remember (which was similar to previous polls) has 60% - 70 % rate it a 7 / 10 or better. -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- Everyone who logs into NGE destroys a bit of the SW Universe. No SWG Pre-Cu, No money to the $OE suckers , simple and fair. DON't agree to $OE 's EULA. They change the gameplay without respect your investement. "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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Originally posted by DarthRaiden
Yes also 80% of the people that play wow rate it 8-9 out of 10 so it is better than DFO? An honest question darth are you really that detached from reality that you cant really see the things you say and put it on a real life context? Honestly your statement is completely idiotic, and saying that 30-40% of the population actually rates the game as below standard just means they are leaving if they are not completely mental. So am i right in saying that DFO will loose 30-40% of its population over the next couple of months?
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Originally posted by rav3n2
Yes also 80% of the people that play wow rate it 8-9 out of 10 so it is better than DFO? An honest question darth are you really that detached from reality that you cant really see the things you say and put it on a real life context? Honestly your statement is completely idiotic, and saying that 30-40% of the population actually rates the game as below standard just means they are leaving if they are not completely mental. So am i right in saying that DFO will loose 30-40% of its population over the next couple of months?
So who you suggest should vote on that poll , those who not play it ? lol How idiotic is to let people vote who not played the game ? About the 30 % - 40% the board is not clean of trolls because Aventurine still allow free access. Btw the polls about general rating are all prior to expansion release. -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- Everyone who logs into NGE destroys a bit of the SW Universe. No SWG Pre-Cu, No money to the $OE suckers , simple and fair. DON't agree to $OE 's EULA. They change the gameplay without respect your investement. "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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Originally posted by DarthRaiden
So who you suggest should vote on that poll , those who not play it ? lol How idiotic is to let people vote who not played the game ? Btw the polls about general rating are all prior to expansion release.
Darth, really stop embarrasing yourself you said "PLAY" not "PLAYED", either way are we saying that DFO has lost 30-40% of its player base since release? Thats quite bad actually.
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Originally posted by rav3n2
So who you suggest should vote on that poll , those who not play it ? lol How idiotic is to let people vote who not played the game ? Btw the polls about general rating are all prior to expansion release.
Darth, really stop embarrasing yourself you said "PLAY" not "PLAYED", either way are we saying that DFO has lost 30-40% of its player base since release? Thats quite bad actually.
The polls on March , April , Mai , June have a similar outcome. As i said the board is not still free of trolls cause Aventurine don't limited access to customer only, yet. -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- Everyone who logs into NGE destroys a bit of the SW Universe. No SWG Pre-Cu, No money to the $OE suckers , simple and fair. DON't agree to $OE 's EULA. They change the gameplay without respect your investement. "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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Well if only people that play the game all the time get to rate it then every game would have 10/10 GOOD GAME. |
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Originally posted by DarthRaiden
Ummm...that would be the people that bothered to vote in the poll giving it a 7/10, that in no way tells us what percentage of players that represented now, does it? And most of the players that I played with gave it a 4/10, and with the number of players that didn't renew their subscriptions, I'm betting that a lot larger chunk of players considered DF a 4/10 game...and they voted with their feet, not in a poll. Some "minority". |
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Originally posted by Hammertime1
Ummm...that would be the people that bothered to vote in the poll giving it a 7/10, that in no way tells us what percentage of players that represented now, does it? And most of the players that I played with gave it a 4/10, and with the number of players that didn't renew their subscriptions, I'm betting that a lot larger chunk of players considered DF a 4/10 game...and they voted with their feet, not in a poll. Some "minority".
i have a different experience. Most players i know moved to Darkfall because we all think its the best game on the market right now. Only a small percentage of us visit forums at all (including official one, i vote 8 / 10 and i am sure the people i know dont vote much different , we meet daily for hours in game and having fun. -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- Everyone who logs into NGE destroys a bit of the SW Universe. No SWG Pre-Cu, No money to the $OE suckers , simple and fair. DON't agree to $OE 's EULA. They change the gameplay without respect your investement. "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE) |
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Originally posted by DarthRaiden
i have a different experience. Most players i know moved to Darkfall because we all think its the best game on the market right now. Only a small percentage of us visit forums at all (including official one, i vote 8 / 10 and i am sure the people i know dont vote much different , we meet daily for hours in game and having fun.
Ooookay...speaking of small percentages, how many people are playing DF now? 10k maybe? Have fun.......but those kind of numbers won't pay the bills. |
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Originally posted by Hammertime1
Ummm...that would be the people that bothered to vote in the poll giving it a 7/10, that in no way tells us what percentage of players that represented now, does it? And most of the players that I played with gave it a 4/10, and with the number of players that didn't renew their subscriptions, I'm betting that a lot larger chunk of players considered DF a 4/10 game...and they voted with their feet, not in a poll. Some "minority".
Yeah most people with IQ enough knows this, its just hard to get some people to realize that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. |
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Originally posted by DarthRaiden Try to make a poll in a McDonalds asking if people eating there like Hamburgers, or in a KFC asking if they like chicken, or in a Pizza Hut asking if they like pizza... oooh look, 80%! *sigh* those arguments are so hollow it's not even funny anymore. Still waiting for the real UO successor... |
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Good score for one of the most poorly produced and operated MMO's in the last 10 years.. The only thing on the same level or worse that I can think of is Dark and Light. Throw in all the lies from Tasos and scamming (double billing for NA client) and they deserve an even lower score. There's absolutely nothing of quality that can be associated with this piss poor production. The website is terrible.. the game is terrible... and the company behind it iserrible. Want to know why sites like Gaemspot , IGN , Gamespy etc do not bother reviewing this? Because they already know that their score would be the same or even lower and don't want to waste their time. |
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Yamota
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Joined: 10/05/03
No beast so fierce but knows some touch of pity. I know none and therefore, am no beast. |
Originally posted by DarthRaiden
No, I dont think you understand much of anything Darth. Attend some english classes and maybe get away from the keyboard once in a while. Maybe then you will get a bigger persective than the extremely narrow and close minded one you have right now.  |
Originally posted by DarthRaiden
You took that sentence out of its context and left the rest of what he said out.
"That’s the thing with Darkfall. Despite everything, it’s much more like an MMO I’d like to throw my time in than the anything WoW-derived. Its problem is that it’s just not good enough. To be charitable, you can say “yet”. But “Yet” doesn’t matter in reviews. Marking for potential is forever foolish."
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Originally posted by Ubie
You took that sentence out of its context and left the rest of what he said out.
"That’s the thing with Darkfall. Despite everything, it’s much more like an MMO I’d like to throw my time in than the anything WoW-derived. Its problem is that it’s just not good enough. To be charitable, you can say “yet”. But “Yet” doesn’t matter in reviews. Marking for potential is forever foolish."
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darth, the king of spin |
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Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Here's the bad part about DFO when it comes to reviewers. The first 10 minutes of DFO can be a blast for most people. It's new, exciting, it looks ok. Then after the first 10 minutes it starts to suck and it doesn't get better for a long time, it actually gets worse and worse for a good while. Theres just so much friggin grind you wanna cry. Then you hit the wall. You just can't do it anymore. The boredom, the cheaters, the grind, the bugs, the lack of customer service, the crappy decissions, the sounds, and so on. It all hits you at once. If you push through that portion of the game, it does get fun again. The problem is, it only gets fun again in spurts. Thats when the real PvP starts and you're able to actually compete and keep up. But the PvP isn't always easy to get to. If you planned on sieging another city that right there is a friggin several hour long process in itself and thats assuming you already managed to grined every thing you need. If you got the Siege weapons, gear, etc and are now ready to actually do the siege theres still a long arse wait. For the first 2 hours, your protecting your city or in many cases simply waiting for the 2 hours to be up. Then for the next 2 hours you try and take your opponents city. This is a 4 hour long battle where generally 2 hours of it are spent twidling your thumbs, and the great part is that for this 4 hour battle you had to grind for days, weeks or even months in some cases. Random PvP isn't exactly common either. Random ganking is, not random PvP. In order to find random PvP you generally go out to the newb area's or out into the wilds and look for people harvesting or players farming low end mobs. The travel time to get to an enemy races newby area is outrageous some times.
The main problem with reviewers reviewing DFO is that the good part of the game is way later in the game. Not only that but that good part doesn't happen anywhere near as often as it should. Even then when it does happen it can take a very very long time to get going, setup or finish. DFO's good parts are hidden where no reviewer will ever find them. But some of the worste parts of the game jump up and scream BOO within the first 10 minutes of the game.
DFO does have potential. Even with Aventurines lack of buisness sense, customer service, design know how etc. and so forth it still has potential. The review was pretty accurate, wether fans want to admit it or not. DFO is not meant for casual players at all, solo players maybe but not casual players. The best part of DFO and the only part that seems to have had much thought put into it is the PvP (Even that needs work, but it is fun at times) and to get to that there is a ton of borring, repetetive, asinine grind required to compete with others. Any reviewer worth his or her salt will never give DFO a good review or mark, reason being is because no reviewer worth his or her salt will ever put in the time required to get to the good parts. It just takes way to friggin long to get to them. Thats just the way it is.
DFO has potential, it's a long way from reaching it and from the looks of it they may never achieve it's potential without some serious elbow grease.
As a whole DFO in my opinion is between a 2-4. PvP in DFO is a 6 with potential to one day be a 10+. Zitrons a tard that did not play the game and his review showed it. Kieron (h/e you spell it) on the other hand did do a good job and he did play and give it a fair shot, his review shows that. And thats the last I have to say about any of this.
Edited to Add: It's late and I know I mispelled grind repeatedly but I'm just to tired to go back and correct that and my other errors.
Thus we reach the ultimate reason why the review is bad, and why the game is not enjoyable for many people. It has nothing to do with potential or what the game may be, its just the fact that the game is tedious for to many potential customers to bother "getting" to the good parts. My account expired at the end of june, i was going to Transfer to NA, but after the 50$ money grab from AV, i am just not inclined to, because the game just isnt enjoyable enough to bother with because the game has potential. At the time i quit, i had around 11 N keys, 4-5 S keys, and around 150k in cash/items in my personal bank. I just really didnt see the point in grinding through the wall, since i really was not playing the game at all and everyone was just standing around grinding to reach some magical leprechaun level.
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Respit
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Originally posted by miagisan
darth, the king of spin
Lol, reminded me of THIS .
I can't remember how or why I found it.
As far as the Eurogamer re-review goes. The reviewer made it clear (at least to me), that although he had fun playing the game, that the cons still outweigh the pros. That is reflected in the 4/10 score. It really is that simple. 601 |
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Darkfall is a 4/10 no matter how long you play the game. The games starts out 'hardcore'. Meaning that the UI is terrible, and difficult to learn. The graphics are bad, the sounds are terrible. Gameplay isn't very good. Quests are lame and the monster AI is just stupid. It's a very VERY basic game, much worse than UO 8 years ago. the skill game system is all about unattended macroing. But you say, the game is hardcore, you'll soon get past that So then you play for a couple months. You'll find the pvp consists mostly of naked fighting. Most of the murderers in the game will attack you only if they are naked and have nothing in their backpack. The hamlets and towns were all bought the first week when players exploited bugged MOB AI and farmed monsters non-stop who didn't fight back. The game is filled with exploits, including fast-loot, teleporting and map exploits that allow players to see anything on the map they want to see. There are speed-hacks, most of which are used in moderation and aren't blatent. Everyone know has their speedhack set to 120%, not 300%. The entire game is just about who has the better hacks. There is a reason a game with so much pre-launch hype can't even fill 2 servers. |
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Originally posted by skydragonren
Now that, my friend, is funny. You win! It's a proven historical fact that beer saved humankind. |
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