It seems with each expansion blizzard is getting lazier and sloppier I will give them some credit for WOTLK quest they are way better and more fun than TBC but thats about it, the great looks horrible and most gear is rehashed, PVP is more imbalanced than its ever been, i have played way back in 04 before love patches and this is the worse ive ever seen. The new Tier 9 armor is the worst tier todate, no more class distintction but each arch type such as caster, dps, tank all look the same yet recolored.

The new colloseum  dungeon is very lackluster and most of it is old boss fights in WOTLK instances.Everything has become easier nothing is of value or hard to get, epic mounts and flight mounts in the next patch have had their price and levels reduced down so much their almost free.

Now today blizzard accidentally leaked the two new playable races for their next expansion by mistake, by showing them in the playable race holloween mask for their holloween invent in the PTR.

It seems like they have gotten lazy and less caring since they figure they have 0 competition

Originally posted by Ozarumon

 

It seems like they have gotten lazy and less caring since they figure they have 0 competition

Why should they care or try harder? People will pay them no matter what level of quality they deliver, what's their incentive?

Until people start leaving, they won't change their ways...and then it might be too late.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Ozarumon

 

It seems like they have gotten lazy and less caring since they figure they have 0 competition

 

Why should they care or try harder? People will pay them no matter what level of quality they deliver, what's their incentive?

Until people start leaving, they won't change their ways...and then it might be too late.

 

so true.

A lot of what you said does not really mean they have become lazy and sloppy. Just because the game seems easier to you does not mean it is that way for everyone. Yes, maybe instances and such have become easier, but in my opinion this is a smart thing blizzard has done. The whole point behind this is to make more content accessible to those who are more casual type.

It's really annoying listening to people whine how easy the game is and then when there is a fight that is to hard for them... such as a fight that actually takes a lot of time and effort put in they whine about it not being possible, so blizzard has to end up nerfing it. There is never an in between so therefore people just need to stop complaining about it being easy or hard. In my opinion this is the only game that actually makes it accessible to people who do not play everyday and who do not have to put every waking moment into the game.

What it comes down to blizzard is playing to the MAJORITY of people, and that is how they have still the most popular MMO as of right now. There is only a handful of people that are insanely into PvP and only a handful of people that are insane hardcore raiders. Obviously this game is not meant to go either way, it is an All Around game. Not only being All Around, it is a lot easier than some of these other games to actually see some of the end game content.

Originally posted by Ozarumon

It seems with each expansion blizzard is getting lazier and sloppier I will give them some credit for WOTLK quest they are way better and more fun than TBC but thats about it, the great looks horrible and most gear is rehashed, PVP is more imbalanced than its ever been, i have played way back in 04 before love patches and this is the worse ive ever seen. The new Tier 9 armor is the worst tier todate, no more class distintction but each arch type such as caster, dps, tank all look the same yet recolored.

The new colloseum  dungeon is very lackluster and most of it is old boss fights in WOTLK instances.Everything has become easier nothing is of value or hard to get, epic mounts and flight mounts in the next patch have had their price and levels reduced down so much their almost free.

 

Now today blizzard accidentally leaked the two new playable races for their next expansion by mistake, by showing them in the playable race holloween mask for their holloween invent in the PTR.

 

It seems like they have gotten lazy and less caring since they figure they have 0 competition

Most gear is rehashed?  This is new to WoW how?  PvP isn't that imbalanced compared to before.  They added a new class, what did you expect? This isn't the first or even the second time they've used the same set designs with a different color across classes who use the same armor type. Are you sure you've been playing as long as you say you have?

There's nothing wrong with the new content coming out. You still whining about things getting easier on the other hand, is beating on a dead horse that was pulverized into dust a long, long time ago. There is no point in continuing to comment on it.

Why are you complaining about them leaking the "new races"? Isn't that something to get excited about and start speculating on the forums over?  Does it really matter if they just leaked it?  Blizzcon is in a few weeks and they're going to announce the next expansion. Oh noes, we MAY know about the new races before the expansion announcement a few weeks beforehand.

Originally posted by Ozarumon

It seems with each expansion blizzard is getting lazier and sloppier I will give them some credit for WOTLK quest they are way better and more fun than TBC but thats about it, the great looks horrible and most gear is rehashed, PVP is more imbalanced than its ever been, i have played way back in 04 before love patches and this is the worse ive ever seen. The new Tier 9 armor is the worst tier todate, no more class distintction but each arch type such as caster, dps, tank all look the same yet recolored.

The new colloseum  dungeon is very lackluster and most of it is old boss fights in WOTLK instances.Everything has become easier nothing is of value or hard to get, epic mounts and flight mounts in the next patch have had their price and levels reduced down so much their almost free.

 

Now today blizzard accidentally leaked the two new playable races for their next expansion by mistake, by showing them in the playable race holloween mask for their holloween invent in the PTR.

 

It seems like they have gotten lazy and less caring since they figure they have 0 competition

Well something I learned from playing WoW for 4 years or more is that they keep imbalanceing classes so that all can get the feeling they are overpowered and that is the way they want it to be. And next month some other class is overpowered and yadda yadda....

And when it comes to armors it seem like they are running out of ideas or they let the janitors choose the armors...

WoW was good to me for 4 years, but now its just boring.. it dont matter what they do anymore, soon as people mention WoW I almost puke. But it was fun while it lasted. One cant stay in the same place forever.

I have to wonder too. I hope its because of the NEW mmo they are working on.. or else .. that will suck too.

Originally posted by Zeblade

I have to wonder too. I hope its because of the NEW mmo they are working on.. or else .. that will suck too.

Any game that can keep my gaze for 4 years is good. And Blizzard are one of the best of making games so what ever game they are working on is going to be good.

Originally posted by patrikd23

Originally posted by Ozarumon

It seems with each expansion blizzard is getting lazier and sloppier I will give them some credit for WOTLK quest they are way better and more fun than TBC but thats about it, the great looks horrible and most gear is rehashed, PVP is more imbalanced than its ever been, i have played way back in 04 before love patches and this is the worse ive ever seen. The new Tier 9 armor is the worst tier todate, no more class distintction but each arch type such as caster, dps, tank all look the same yet recolored.

The new colloseum  dungeon is very lackluster and most of it is old boss fights in WOTLK instances.Everything has become easier nothing is of value or hard to get, epic mounts and flight mounts in the next patch have had their price and levels reduced down so much their almost free.

 

Now today blizzard accidentally leaked the two new playable races for their next expansion by mistake, by showing them in the playable race holloween mask for their holloween invent in the PTR.

 

It seems like they have gotten lazy and less caring since they figure they have 0 competition

 

Well something I learned from playing WoW for 4 years or more is that they keep imbalanceing classes so that all can get the feeling they are overpowered and that is the way they want it to be. And next month some other class is overpowered and yadda yadda....

I've had a conspiracy theory about this too. Blizzard would never admit it but it does seem they're playing duck duck goose with OP classes. I'm just tired of it though, it's not fun playing the guy with the paperclip or the guy with the mini-nuke. I will most likely play Blizzards next MMO, I just won't partake in PvP, because that's one area where they fail horribly.
 

Originally posted by patrikd23

 

Well something I learned from playing WoW for 4 years or more is that they keep imbalanceing classes so that all can get the feeling they are overpowered and that is the way they want it to be. And next month some other class is overpowered and yadda yadda....

And when it comes to armors it seem like they are running out of ideas or they let the janitors choose the armors...

 

WoW was good to me for 4 years, but now its just boring.. it dont matter what they do anymore, soon as people mention WoW I almost puke. But it was fun while it lasted. One cant stay in the same place forever.

They admitted to it several times over before I left in '05 or so. They purposefully tweak balances so that every class has their time in the limelight... Though personally, as a Fire Mage, I never felt it for more than a few seconds when Dragon Breath first came out. Then it was back to working my ass off to be half-decent as Warlocks and Shadow Priests cackled maniacally in the corner as everyone died.

I'm almost positive by now Blizzard has the "B" team working on WoW. If not the "B" team, then they haven't let the current team breathe. Then again, it got stale for me a long time ago. PvP died the day Alterac Valley turned into a giant Warsong Gulch. The Lore died the moment purple squid-people from outer space crash-landed with their ship full of "Light" generating singing crystals. PvE was always pretty solid, though. Just the spank 'n tank fights that were boring.

Then again, it's understandable. After Arthas is dead, there's nothing else. I'm betting resources are being diverted to their new next-gen MMO, thus leaving a larger workload for fewer people - which is why you see similar armor sets and such.

I can only hope their next MMO isn't Starcraft. I think that would suck me in and I'd never see daylight again until the concrete crumbles around me...

Originally posted by Egamst3k

Originally posted by patrikd23

 

Well something I learned from playing WoW for 4 years or more is that they keep imbalanceing classes so that all can get the feeling they are overpowered and that is the way they want it to be. And next month some other class is overpowered and yadda yadda....

And when it comes to armors it seem like they are running out of ideas or they let the janitors choose the armors...

 

WoW was good to me for 4 years, but now its just boring.. it dont matter what they do anymore, soon as people mention WoW I almost puke. But it was fun while it lasted. One cant stay in the same place forever.

 

They admitted to it several times over before I left in '05 or so. They purposefully tweak balances so that every class has their time in the limelight... Though personally, as a Fire Mage, I never felt it for more than a few seconds when Dragon Breath first came out. Then it was back to working my ass off to be half-decent as Warlocks and Shadow Priests cackled maniacally in the corner as everyone died.

I'm almost positive by now Blizzard has the "B" team working on WoW. If not the "B" team, then they haven't let the current team breathe. Then again, it got stale for me a long time ago. PvP died the day Alterac Valley turned into a giant Warsong Gulch. The Lore died the moment purple squid-people from outer space crash-landed with their ship full of "Light" generating singing crystals. PvE was always pretty solid, though. Just the spank 'n tank fights that were boring.

Then again, it's understandable. After Arthas is dead, there's nothing else. I'm betting resources are being diverted to their new next-gen MMO, thus leaving a larger workload for fewer people - which is why you see similar armor sets and such.

I can only hope their next MMO isn't Starcraft. I think that would suck me in and I'd never see daylight again until the concrete crumbles around me...

Hmm, guess you do learn something new everyday, I wouldn't think they would admit something like that. I had the pleasure of being a warlock during their high-times, by pure luck though, since it was my first char ever. I've also had the misfortune of being an enhancement shaman from the beginning of BC though, and well, I'd rather not even go there, everyone who has played WoW from BC knows that story.
 

Some guy told me I should just twink my shaman at 49 when I was around that level, oh how I wish I took that advice.

I agree, the Draenei are the dumbest thing to ever happen to WoW lore.

I'm not even subbed to WoW right now, so I don't really care what's happening to it atm.

That would be colossal if it was a Starcraft MMO they're working on, but they've said new IP, where I guess they could just be fooling everyone.

When MMO expansions get lazy in an otherwise successful game it's usually a sign that a large body of the development team has moved on to creating their next generation game.

Blizzard has riden the WOW train long enough, they are starting to plan for the next 3-5 years when WoW will no longer be capable of dominating the market by itself.

i felt WoW started going downhill from when they release WOTLK (thats actually when i quit). The BG changes .... 2v2s no longer giving points..... chosing to 10 man or 25 man raid the same instance ..... it just felt like they gone over the edge as far as catering to everyone.

I have played WOW some time now, but I have to agree nontheless. But IMO Blizzard was always quite lazy. Many models where copied all over. See one tavern, have seen every tavern. Or faces and haircuts, you might expect a super rich company like them could make a small team make something new. Or armor and robes - so many are just copy and dye them different. *yawn* With the expansions it was often the same, Same tree model, same mob model just resized, dyed and renamed. I have done 3d meshes, and even tho I am no expert, it isn't such a difficult task that a rich company like Blizzard could not make something more and more creative. I haven't see much innovation in WOW ever since it launched to be honest. It is more like the regular visit to McDon... you know what you get. (And the competition just manages to be worse, lol.)

Given the fast stream of updates LOTRO has (and they have really new vistas and models), WOW has indeed become lazy. Guess they have all the money they can dream of, and thats it.

Originally posted by Martie

Originally posted by Yunbei

I have played WOW some time now, but I have to agree nontheless. But IMO Blizzard was always quite lazy. Many models where copied all over. See one tavern, have seen every tavern. Or faces and haircuts, you might expect a super rich company like them could make a small team make something new. Or armor and robes - so many are just copy and dye them different. *yawn* With the expansions it was often the same, Same tree model, same mob model just resized, dyed and renamed. I have done 3d meshes, and even tho I am no expert, it isn't such a difficult task that a rich company like Blizzard could not make something more and more creative. I haven't see much innovation in WOW ever since it launched to be honest. It is more like the regular visit to McDon... you know what you get. (And the competition just manages to be worse, lol.)

Given the fast stream of updates LOTRO has (and they have really new vistas and models), WOW has indeed become lazy. Guess they have all the money they can dream of, and thats it.

Oh god the usless analogies begin.  You think nothing is rehashed in lotro?? Get a bloody grip please.  The amount of armour in wow is probably 100x more than lotro can even imagine, so yes blizzard dont have the time to keep making new models for everything, hell they would just end up doing that and then nothign would get done.  The fact that horde and alliance tier prieces are different says it all.  Does lotro have different looking tiered armour for thier factions?...........oh wait.

I think for a FIVE year old game the amount of variety in WOW is quite lame. =P

Ive been thinking the colliseum over and to be honest, its really rather clever of them, rather than lazy.

Summer is WoWs down period. Fact. Progress and attendance slows down, while people are out in the sun. Making the new raid very casual, short and about being good versus being there for a long time, means that everyone that sticks around rahter than sunbathing can carry on as normal, without massive guild restructuring/merging that normally goes on.

Plus the bosses are mere images, they arent carbon copies just an avatar. Now I'm not saying they put as much effort as say the sunwell or naxx 40 raids, it is, as you so rightly say, a colliseum, which is less work. And I do think the tier gear is only marginally lazy, while being wholly lacklustre.

Creativity took a dive in terms of design, but they have tried to solve the summer blues. Which is, and always has been highly needed.

I've noticed there's a lot of people on these forums that love to call devs lazy and apathetic with one posts and then expect the devs to listen to anything htey have to say with the next one.

Aye, the lifespan of an online game being at the top is about 4-5 yrs, after that somethign new needs to be done. As this was blizards first online game release it has done well (unseating the kings of the genre by far). Of course they would have been foolish if they didnt start planning a new mmo. Hopefully they will take the good parts from WoW and improve upon them and also introduce alot of new elements. Not to mention the countless other online mmo's that are around with some pretty good features in them.

Get those right, introduce new features and improve the PvP aspect (dont mind FFA PvP) but griefers and player killers should be heavily penalised in doing that (penalty increase's the higher they are in level than the person they killed) but they do gain something as well as lose something in doing it. Also i hope they get rid of these instance type zones too.

When you see another game that can accomplish this: RESPECT FOR THE CRAFT then come talk to me. Until then all your bible thumpin amounts to a overly inflated opinion about something you know squat about.  Like obnoxious fans at any given sport, coaching from the stands with no clue on the inner workings of the industry or a particular team.

Originally posted by Ramonski7

When you see another game that can accomplish this: RESPECT FOR THE CRAFT then come talk to me. Until then all your bible thumpin amounts to a overly inflated opinion about something you know squat about.  Like obnoxious fans at any given sport, coaching from the stands with no clue on the inner workings of the industry or a particular team.

and thus MMORPG.com was smote down in righteous fury.

i believe blizz have said they will continue to run wow and release a new mmo as a completely different project...

It will be alot different to WoW they have stated...

Originally posted by Ramonski7

... RESPECT FOR THE CRAFT ...

WHOA! Very very cool!. I never knew anything even remotely like that existed. Thanks for the link!

 Lazy is so far from the truth.

When they launched WoW is was the bread and butter, the sole focus of the company.

Now they are working on Star Craft 2, Diablo 3, and the new IP yet to be announced.

Working on 3 AAA titles while still creating engaging content for the current Elephant in the room is a challenge in itself.

** I think what ture WoW players should be upset about is that WoW is being transformed into the casual friendly game. Blizzard is strategically doing this to gain new players because with the life cycle of MMO titles you're garunteed to loose players to newer games. In doing so it keeps the game successful, but to all those die hard players that waited for the game till midnight to release . . . they are giving up on us. **

OP - you must have missed this, came out last week.

http://www.eldergame.com/2009/07/08/the-warcraft-live-teams-b-squad/

Read the whole thing before commenting, it relates what is happening at WoW and the changes you're seeing.

What 2 races leaked?