Every time you buy anything you haven't played, read, watched or used. You're taking a gamble, anyone sitting here putting others down for doing normal impulse shopping. Should stop, sit back and do some self reflection. Personally I haven't bought the game and I don't plan to, however this is exactly how capitalism works. Someone offers a product, someone who wants it pays for it. Hell look at it this way since the money was spent, one day it may come back to you, you shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth now, should you? :P.

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/16713-why-you-shouldnt-angry-starvault-prices.html

OK this just explains EVERYTHING why they are using the price as is. They are listening to the FOLLOWERS not the people who wants to discredit the game. It doesnt even matter what anyone else says. They are doing what all the FOLLOWERS wanted. That's the price they asked, and if anyone doesn't like it, then just STFU and get over it. Get mad over what? They made a product and thats their price, dont like it ? move on, no one is telling you to buy the damn product. Everywhere in the world companies makes products and list the price on it, you look at it and decide whether to buy it or not. When you go into a gas station you look at prices of the products, but you dont go over to the cashier and bitch about how expensive things are. You go in and buy what you want end of story.

I dont know why people are getting mad over this thing. You're used to the "expected" price of a game, suddenly  a game is priced more than what the others are and your crying foul? Make your decision to buy it or not, dont go and whine about why the price is what it is. ALL the FOLLOWERS who dont buy it and is mad, you can all wait for the freaking DD. Why complain about it? If you feel like you're getting ripped off, dont buy it. Go play some other game, they made a buisness with some other company to produce these things and you have to remember that this is an INDY company with limited money, they need to make a profit as well, all buisnesses do. The more you support a company, the better they can serve you. And even though they haven't given everyone a chance at it so far, they are doing the best they can. They are making these pre orders to see how dedicated the player base is and is willing to follow the game. They aren't asking a whole lot, remember this is just PRE ORDERS, there will be more players coming once the release is out. An extra $25 compared to the "usual" price of a game isn't much. But please if you think its too much go somewhere else, it'll make thier lives a little bit easier and then they can focus on the people that's willing to help and want to enjoy a game.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Keep the box I've got a closet full of dusty collectors tins as it is. Many  MMOs don't charge for expansions anyway.  $75 is just too much to charge in today's market. I'll be very much surprised if they don't reduce that before to long. It's really going to hurt their sales. Even at $50 most MMOs are way overpriced IMO.

If you don't want the box then WHY THE HELL are you complaining about the boxed version costing so much.

The normal, direct downoad version will only be like $40 which is cheaper than some games like Darkfall.

Reason people get mad is it leaves open even more path ways for lame fucking ddevelopers to expliot. "O Mortal online did it , so can we" type bullshit. There has been a standard in developing games in place for well over 2 decades, and in the past year and a half we seen more the one developer change that path online to unleash a pile of shit, or release nothing at all.

The people who make games have pubilshers, they have investors that support the idea and make it available to the public, to say that "we are letting the followers" make key deccisions on who ever pays us the most money is one of the most ludicrist scams I've ever heard. I for one would never play a game or even think of owning a game where a small selective nobodies with big wallets made key decisions in the game output. For one that tells me the initial developers don't have any ideas, or two, they are just lauughing all the way to the bank.

I can say that from how they handled this so far is the most exploitive scam to date with Fileplant being a key reason why we are seeing more andmore of these pay  to play BETAS, and even if a game was to be release, I will say with 80 percent certainty we we will be seeing Dark and Light all over again cause people will never learn.

Originally posted by Malickie

Every time you buy anything you haven't played, read, watched or used. You're taking a gamble, anyone sitting here putting others down for doing normal impulse shopping. Should stop, sit back and do some self reflection. Personally I haven't bought the game and I don't plan to, however this is exactly how capitalism works. Someone offers a product, someone who wants it pays for it. Hell look at it this way since the money was spent, one day it may come back to you, you shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth now, should you? :P.

This man, speaks wisely.

Ever go see a movie just based on the previews? Ever buy a book just by reading the summary? Ever pre-pay someone for a job?

Same concept here.

Originally posted by solareus 

I can say that from how they handled this so far is the most exploitive scam to date with Fileplant being a key reason why we are seeing more andmore of these pay  to play BETAS, and even if a game was to be release, I will say with 80 percent certainty we we will be seeing Dark and Light all over again cause people will never learn.

You obviously havent been around the mmorpg genre long.  Darkfall was the and continues to be the biggest scam and sherade of an mmo to ever be released.

Thank goodness you wont be playing, though keep trolling the forum from your welfare life;no biggie.

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Keep the box I've got a closet full of dusty collectors tins as it is. Many  MMOs don't charge for expansions anyway.  $75 is just too much to charge in today's market. I'll be very much surprised if they don't reduce that before to long. It's really going to hurt their sales. Even at $50 most MMOs are way overpriced IMO.

Not really.. if anything i hope it will keep the people who arent really that into the game out

Originally posted by solareus

Reason people get mad is it leaves open even more path ways for lame fucking ddevelopers to expliot. "O Mortal online did it , so can we" type bullshit. There has been a standard in developing games in place for well over 2 decades, and in the past year and a half we seen more the one developer change that path online to unleash a pile of shit, or release nothing at all.

The people who make games have pubilshers, they have investors that support the idea and make it available to the public, to say that "we are letting the followers" make key deccisions on who ever pays us the most money is one of the most ludicrist scams I've ever heard. I for one would never play a game or even think of owning a game where a small selective nobodies with big wallets made key decisions in the game output. For one that tells me the initial developers don't have any ideas, or two, they are just lauughing all the way to the bank.

I can say that from how they handled this so far is the most exploisive scam to date, and even if a game was to be release, I will say with 80 percent certainty we we will be seeing Dark and Light all over again cause people will never learn.

I don't know why I'm wasting my time here, since it's apparent you know little on the situation.

You really think all the big companies are going to start following MOs example? Not a chance, and IMO, the big companies are the ones who are corrupt, who make promises they can't keep, who are pushed by greedy investors, who can't develop a game based on the original ideas, who can't make anything remotely close to original.

Why aren't you 100% certain the game will fail, since you seem to be ever so confident, with no basis, I might add. What do you base your confidence in that the game will fail? Other developers failures? Pretty weak argument, IMO.

If you had read anything about the developers you would know they aren't developing the game soley based on what followers say, although they look at what is said objectively, and had most of the game planned before announcing it.

You can keep throwing your money at the same old shit, and experience the same old crap. However, I will do what I can to support those willing to make a significant difference in the MMO world.

Originally posted by Obamaonics

Originally posted by solareus 

I can say that from how they handled this so far is the most exploitive scam to date with Fileplant being a key reason why we are seeing more andmore of these pay  to play BETAS, and even if a game was to be release, I will say with 80 percent certainty we we will be seeing Dark and Light all over again cause people will never learn.

 

You obviously havent been around the mmorpg genre long.  Darkfall was the and continues to be the biggest scam and sherade of an mmo to ever be released.

 

Thank goodness you wont be playing, though keep trolling the forum from your welfare life;no biggie.

Yes Obviously, cause "Thrones of Chaos" was the biggest crock of shit ever. But of course that was way after Darkfall 

If you all want to be mmo noobs,  go right ahead, all of the mmo veterens will be waiting for a released, shipped and running product

Originally posted by solareus

Originally posted by Obamaonics

Originally posted by solareus 

I can say that from how they handled this so far is the most exploitive scam to date with Fileplant being a key reason why we are seeing more andmore of these pay  to play BETAS, and even if a game was to be release, I will say with 80 percent certainty we we will be seeing Dark and Light all over again cause people will never learn.

 

You obviously havent been around the mmorpg genre long.  Darkfall was the and continues to be the biggest scam and sherade of an mmo to ever be released.

 

Thank goodness you wont be playing, though keep trolling the forum from your welfare life;no biggie.

Yes Obviously, cause "Thrones of Chaos" was the biggest crock of shit ever. But of course that was way after Darkfall 

If you all want to be mmo noobs,  go right ahead, all of the mmo veterens will be waiting for a released, shipped and running product

Funny from reading people's responses I see many MMORPG veterans in here that have bought the beta.

See a real veteran sort of develops a "feeling" for BS which of course DnF had written all over it as did Mourning and DnL. I don't really get that feeling here and btw I am more of an MMORPG vet then probably 99.99% of the people on this board.

Keep up the good fight though, at least you are winning the argument in your own mind even if the rest of us are starting to place you in the Javac, Darthraiden, etc class already.

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok well since people apparently don't read what they are getting when they are buying ill clear some things up,

Embossed Metal Box - This box isnt some flimsy piece of crap its an actual metal box that will last a long time and probably easily costs 10 dollars just to make it.

Free future digital updates and EXPANSIONS - Ok for anyone who is into MMO's this should ring a big whoa in your head meaning that expansions like lets say in terms of WoW, Burning Crusade and WoTLK which both when released cost what 40 bucks? meaning for just the boxed version of WoW to date cost 110 dollars compared to Mortal Onlines 75 dollars.

So I hope this little explanation of mine enlightens some people.

 

A tin can costs 10 cents to make in China for one.  They make a pair of Nike shoes for only a few cents and you think its $10 for a tin can? That is just a useless box once the game is released if it is not a success. You will most likely throw it away in a few months because you can't give away an AOC or WAR collector's edition right now.

Free expansion, you know why? They won't release any big expansion, these Devs have no money. They will probably call patches an expansion how Darkfall is using that word.

Buy what you want, but please don't try to tell people this is a good deal and cheap...

 

 

lol, Obviously you don't know the expenses of personalized items. I have looked at even custom poker chips for friends and for like 100 chips just plastic chips with a sticker on them costs close to 100 dollars,  here find me a company that will make me an embossed metal box with a customized picture I send  worth even 5 dollars and ill give you 50 dollars.

 

If you are one person trying to buy one of an item it is expensive of course.

If you are mass producing items from a Chinese factory they are probably 1 dollar per tin man....

You are only getting a box that others will be getting, it is not personalized with your own design and name.

 

Here you go though just to show you an example, the first thing I saw on google searcgh:

 

http://www.motivators.com/Promotional-SportBottles-Custom-13-344.html

 

Personalized items for 79 cents and a couple dollars... go figure huh? That is from a website selling to individuals.

 

Now imagine asking a factory in China to make you a lot of an item, just copies, it is only a couple cents each believe me.

 

 

lol, You haven't shown me anything close to the work that it takes to make an embossed metal box, and your saying they went to a china factory we don't know where they got this from an I will say this theres no way that they bought these for a couple cents per and if they did the people that made it are losing money so the chances of that happening are extremely low. Also the 79 cent bottles were plastic, the alluminum ones were 4 dollars or so and almost 10 dollars for stainless steel. We don't know what type of material the box is made of either.

Instead of arguing over what the cost of tin is, why not argue over the fact that this game is just like DFO NOT READY TO SELL!
 

Good luck to all the suckers who went for the preorder.

Whenever a company offers extras to preorder people, it means the sales at release are not as important. If you're not familiar with what Dark n' Light did you need to do some research. I didn't fall for it then...and won't fall for it now. I can pick apart the last gameplayer trailer and point out problems in every scene. Then they followed it up with a powerpoint presentation and some charts indicating how overcomplicated the useless aspects of the game are. Star Vault is preying on the large population of Darkfall castouts. You will soon learn that Darkfall is the better game.

Originally posted by Vaylla

Originally posted by solareus

Originally posted by Obamaonics

Originally posted by solareus 

I can say that from how they handled this so far is the most exploitive scam to date with Fileplant being a key reason why we are seeing more andmore of these pay  to play BETAS, and even if a game was to be release, I will say with 80 percent certainty we we will be seeing Dark and Light all over again cause people will never learn.

 

You obviously havent been around the mmorpg genre long.  Darkfall was the and continues to be the biggest scam and sherade of an mmo to ever be released.

 

Thank goodness you wont be playing, though keep trolling the forum from your welfare life;no biggie.

Yes Obviously, cause "Thrones of Chaos" was the biggest crock of shit ever. But of course that was way after Darkfall 

If you all want to be mmo noobs,  go right ahead, all of the mmo veterens will be waiting for a released, shipped and running product

 I don't really get that feeling here and btw I am more of an MMORPG vet then probably 99.99% of the people on this board.

 

.

Keep in mind that $10 of that $75 is shipping. Another thing to consider is that if you got into beta block A or B you are practically playing for free for over 2 months. So, 3-4 months of gametime (month free once it goes live), a metal box, all future expansions covered, and shipping. Seems like an appropriate price to me, especially considering Xbox 360 and PS3 games cost $60 in stores and don't have a shred of the immersiveness a PC MMO can have. 

I paid, and I'm happy I paid.  I don't buy cds, movies, or games usually, but I have hope in this one. Hope is all. Dangerous, I know.

$75 is just too much for a game that I may not even play over a month. This is just my opinion. Maybe down the line if I know it'll be worth it, but if this is some plan they're trying to make more money to make additions to the game- I think they'd make more sales with a $50 price tag and give or take the perks (Free expansion and metal case- My boxes end up rotting on my book shelves anyway after the game is installed. I don't need a fancy tin.)

Originally posted by jusomdude

The only people that are crying about this are one of the following:

1. Pissed because they can't afford the boxed version and get into the beta.

2. Are not fans of the game in the first place and are just trying to find a way to discredit the company.

 

I don't know how many times I have to say this but, THE GAME WILL BE AVAILABLE AT A LATER DATE WITH LESSER OR EQUAL NORMAL MMO COST FOR DIGITAL DOWNLOAD!

so, assuming all the complainers are fans of the game and just want to get into beta, caugh up the dough now and be guaranteed a spot in the beta, or wait for the digital download, with no guarantees on beta access.

Quoted for truth and smacked some color around for ultimate clarity. If you want a box and be a tester, you can, but you will have to pay for the privilege.

Producing these boxes and their contents is not a cheap thing if you consider the relatively low amount. It really isn't. Even if you have everything produced in China. It wouldn't surprise me if producing and shipping the whole package first to SV and than to you would be in excess of 20$ dollars. The costs and logistics for each MO box are very different from any other boxed game distributed by big publishers by the millions. Apart from that; in general companies don't offer collector's editions to cash in on, they do it to please the biggest fans of their product.

What expansions ? how many will there be and will they be contracted to deliver a certain amount of expansive content ?

Originally posted by solareus

What expansions ? how many will there be and will they be contracted to deliver a certain amount of expansive content ?

Contracted by who?

The only thing they said is that all future expansions (for instance the big chucks of content they have already planned / worked on but which might not be ready at launch) are free. The rest is just speculation at this time.

Originally posted by PeZzy

Good luck to all the suckers who went for the preorder.

Whenever a company offers extras to preorder people, it means the sales at release are not as important. If you're not familiar with what Dark n' Light did you need to do some research. I didn't fall for it then...and won't fall for it now. I can pick apart the last gameplayer trailer and point out problems in every scene. Then they followed it up with a powerpoint presentation and some charts indicating how overcomplicated the useless aspects of the game are. Star Vault is preying on the large population of Darkfall castouts. You will soon learn that Darkfall is the better game.

Ok so every game that offers extra items with pre-orders its because they don't believe they will get their moneys worth after they release the game hmmm...... Well id like you to explain the CoD4 pre-order or Halo 3 pre-order oh oh and the new Mordern Warfare 2 Pre-order. Yea just like Dark Pony said the pre-order content is for the consumers that want to collect a piece of the game that people who just throw 50 bucks for just the game don't have, the 10,000 people that order something from Mortal Online will have something from the Developers that only 10,000 people will actually have the rest will only be able to get the direct download.

Ok so you can pick apart the last gameplay trailer they released and see problems, some people actually look at the trailers and see the possibilities thats what having an open mind means, you go straight to the negative. The power-point might of been overcomplicated for you but it got my blood pumping the depth of the crafting, the blood mixing, everything just looked like a fresh and potential MMO that I will be playing for years to come.

Actually at this point in time I believe if anything the MO devs if it was possible would like to outcast the Darkfall populace considering people from Darkfall tried to sabotage the pre-order that day.

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok well since people apparently don't read what they are getting when they are buying ill clear some things up,

Embossed Metal Box - This box isnt some flimsy piece of crap its an actual metal box that will last a long time and probably easily costs 10 dollars just to make it.

Free future digital updates and EXPANSIONS - Ok for anyone who is into MMO's this should ring a big whoa in your head meaning that expansions like lets say in terms of WoW, Burning Crusade and WoTLK which both when released cost what 40 bucks? meaning for just the boxed version of WoW to date cost 110 dollars compared to Mortal Onlines 75 dollars.

So I hope this little explanation of mine enlightens some people.

I understand, sounds good. So, if I wait get the DD only version for $44.95 and the game is good I'll be happy to buy an expansion, if it suks? Im only out $44.95 Now consider the same @ $75 if it suks...DOH!

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok well since people apparently don't read what they are getting when they are buying ill clear some things up,

Embossed Metal Box - This box isnt some flimsy piece of crap its an actual metal box that will last a long time and probably easily costs 10 dollars just to make it.

Free future digital updates and EXPANSIONS - Ok for anyone who is into MMO's this should ring a big whoa in your head meaning that expansions like lets say in terms of WoW, Burning Crusade and WoTLK which both when released cost what 40 bucks? meaning for just the boxed version of WoW to date cost 110 dollars compared to Mortal Onlines 75 dollars.

So I hope this little explanation of mine enlightens some people.

These days MMO devs seem to capitalize a LOT from BETA releases. About WoW expansions, they are real expansions that add land mass, dungeons, quests, gear, weapons and many things. Darkfall's first "expansion" looks more like a patch.

If this was a collector's edition that includes say a mount, a ring or special weapon, a map and other goodies I would let it pass. But no, IMHO, this BETA price is not acceptable.

Originally posted by Horkathane

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok well since people apparently don't read what they are getting when they are buying ill clear some things up,

Embossed Metal Box - This box isnt some flimsy piece of crap its an actual metal box that will last a long time and probably easily costs 10 dollars just to make it.

Free future digital updates and EXPANSIONS - Ok for anyone who is into MMO's this should ring a big whoa in your head meaning that expansions like lets say in terms of WoW, Burning Crusade and WoTLK which both when released cost what 40 bucks? meaning for just the boxed version of WoW to date cost 110 dollars compared to Mortal Onlines 75 dollars.

So I hope this little explanation of mine enlightens some people.

I understand, sounds good. So, if I wait get the DD only version for $44.95 and the game is good I'll be happy to buy an expansion, if it suks? Im only out $44.95 Now consider the same @ $75 if it suks...DOH!

 

No worries, there is no expansion charges even for DD.    There will be no expansion charges post launch either.     Its the same model that other sandbox games use where they tack on a few extra bucks a month over average and your expansions are free to download for all accounts.

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by Abloec

Originally posted by khameleon

Originally posted by Abloec

Ok well since people apparently don't read what they are getting when they are buying ill clear some things up,

Embossed Metal Box - This box isnt some flimsy piece of crap its an actual metal box that will last a long time and probably easily costs 10 dollars just to make it.

Free future digital updates and EXPANSIONS - Ok for anyone who is into MMO's this should ring a big whoa in your head meaning that expansions like lets say in terms of WoW, Burning Crusade and WoTLK which both when released cost what 40 bucks? meaning for just the boxed version of WoW to date cost 110 dollars compared to Mortal Onlines 75 dollars.

So I hope this little explanation of mine enlightens some people.

 

A tin can costs 10 cents to make in China for one.  They make a pair of Nike shoes for only a few cents and you think its $10 for a tin can? That is just a useless box once the game is released if it is not a success. You will most likely throw it away in a few months because you can't give away an AOC or WAR collector's edition right now.

Free expansion, you know why? They won't release any big expansion, these Devs have no money. They will probably call patches an expansion how Darkfall is using that word.

Buy what you want, but please don't try to tell people this is a good deal and cheap...

 

 

lol, Obviously you don't know the expenses of personalized items. I have looked at even custom poker chips for friends and for like 100 chips just plastic chips with a sticker on them costs close to 100 dollars,  here find me a company that will make me an embossed metal box with a customized picture I send  worth even 5 dollars and ill give you 50 dollars.

 

If you are one person trying to buy one of an item it is expensive of course.

If you are mass producing items from a Chinese factory they are probably 1 dollar per tin man....

You are only getting a box that others will be getting, it is not personalized with your own design and name.

 

Here you go though just to show you an example, the first thing I saw on google searcgh:

 

http://www.motivators.com/Promotional-SportBottles-Custom-13-344.html

 

Personalized items for 79 cents and a couple dollars... go figure huh? That is from a website selling to individuals.

 

Now imagine asking a factory in China to make you a lot of an item, just copies, it is only a couple cents each believe me.

 

SV didn't mass produce the boxes.  They only had a limitted number of them made and had to sell them first in order to ensure they made the money back for them.  They only did it becuase people had been asking for it.

The cost of the boxes is higher because they only made a limitted number.
Like you pointed out, when you mass produce an item it's cheap. 
As someone else pointed out, as I keep pointing out, when you only make a small amount of something it cost more.

I've looked into having paintings turned into prints.
It's expansive as hell if I do only a few at a time. 
I have to print them in the thousands if I wanted to be able to sell the prints at a cost that people would be willing to pay and I would be able to make a worthwhile profit on.  In the end it's not affordable for me to make prints, the quality would be poor and the price wouldn't be low enough. 

Originally posted by Abloec

 

 

Embossed Metal Box - This box isnt some flimsy piece of crap its an actual metal box that will last a long time and probably easily costs 10 dollars just to make it.

Um extremely doubtful the box costs $10 to make.  CDs cost all of like a cent to produce.  And like people said before, keep the box, unnecessary clutter.  It's a nice way of the company saying, "You get a metal paperweight and a digital download to boot."

the only way they can justify this price is if the tin turns into a transformer that helps around the house.