I was so looking forward to this game, everything about it sounded great.  then they had to issue the comment that cryptic bucks can be used to buy "anything" in game.  RMT is a go in Champions Online and I will not be buying it. I am disappointed.

edit:  I hope this doesn't end up ruining the game.  My best adivice is to try the free open beta Aug 17 and then decide if you want to write it off.

Originally posted by zethcarn

link?  I highly doubt this is true.

Check any official pre-order package and they include 5 of these currency that highly remind some RMT currency.

What kind of RMT they will include or not, they have not announced or explained even after hundreds of drama posts on their official forums about it, I don't even bother anymore searching for official announcements regarding this.

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Originally posted by elderotter
then they had to issue the comment that cryptic bucks can be used to buy "anything" in game. 

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Could you post a link please, if by "they" you are refering to Cryptic themselves saying this I would like to read the comment myself.

Originally posted by elderotter

I was so looking forward to this game, everything about it sounded great.  then they had to issue the comment that cryptic bucks can be used to buy "anything" in game.  RMT is a go in Champions Online and I will not be buying it. I am disappointed.

They haven't actually issued anything even remotely close to a definitive answer on Cryptic Bucks or their payment model yet.

Originally posted by green13

Originally posted by elderotter

I was so looking forward to this game, everything about it sounded great.  then they had to issue the comment that cryptic bucks can be used to buy "anything" in game.  RMT is a go in Champions Online and I will not be buying it. I am disappointed.

 

They haven't actually issued anything even remotely close to a definitive answer on Cryptic Bucks or their payment model yet.

Ten Ton Hammer: What the hell is a Cryptic Buck? (RawGutts)

Roper: As I mentioned earlier, Cryptic has a set of core technology that we build upon, and being able to have digital distribution for things that are both inside and outside the game was very important to us. We wanted to have a system in place that allowed people to get stuff that way.

So we came up with these Cryptic Bucks, and you can use those to get anything inside or outside of the game. We basically wanted to allow players to have a denomination that can be used across everything that Cryptic does. It’s definitely something we’ve fleshed out as we look towards the future as well. We’ll have players that are bouncing between CO and Star Trek Online, so they can use those for either game. Or maybe they just want to get a hat.

As opposed to having to do billing for three different or four different solutions, we just made Cryptic bucks and are allowing players to use them wherever they want. It’s actually a model that gets used quite a bit in Asia, for those developers or publishers that have several different online games. You see that concept a little bit with US game cards, but traditionally that’s just used to pay off a subscription fee.

We’re trying to expand that out, so that if players get something with Cryptic bucks on it, they can go “Oh! I want pay for my subscriptions on these two games and buy this product from their store. “

Originally posted by EricDanie

Originally posted by zethcarn

link?  I highly doubt this is true.

Check any official pre-order package and they include 5 of these currency that highly remind some RMT currency.

What kind of RMT they will include or not, they have not announced or explained even after hundreds of drama posts on their official forums about it, I don't even bother anymore searching for official announcements regarding this.

the quote I saw used the words "anything in game".  As far as trying the game - I am sure it is great, but with RMT in it I will not play it.

Ten Ton Hammer: What the hell is a Cryptic Buck? (RawGutts)

Roper: As I mentioned earlier, Cryptic has a set of core technology that we build upon, and being able to have digital distribution for things that are both inside and outside the game was very important to us. We wanted to have a system in place that allowed people to get stuff that way.

So we came up with these Cryptic Bucks, and you can use those to get anything inside or outside of the game. We basically wanted to allow players to have a denomination that can be used across everything that Cryptic does. It’s definitely something we’ve fleshed out as we look towards the future as well. We’ll have players that are bouncing between CO and Star Trek Online, so they can use those for either game. Or maybe they just want to get a hat.

As opposed to having to do billing for three different or four different solutions, we just made Cryptic bucks and are allowing players to use them wherever they want. It’s actually a model that gets used quite a bit in Asia, for those developers or publishers that have several different online games. You see that concept a little bit with US game cards, but traditionally that’s just used to pay off a subscription fee.

We’re trying to expand that out, so that if players get something with Cryptic bucks on it, they can go “Oh! I want pay for my subscriptions on these two games and buy this product from their store. “

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/71001 ( first offical mention but not saying how those bucks will be used, to me micro+hat+asia says kinda enoug for now ;)  )

http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?p=561001 (complain tread)


now to translate from bill to player language :)
Its a universal cryptic payment system, it will be used to pay your subs whit and to get services.

These services are things like buying a Hat and likely to include character  trasver and rename services.
 

the interview in no way says anyting about ingame items and excusives,  if its for there services its all fine, if its for Ingame items .. well I just wont say what i think, childern might be reading...


 

Originally posted by wizitdry

 

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Originally posted by elderotter
then they had to issue the comment that cryptic bucks can be used to buy "anything" in game. 

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Could you post a link please, if by "they" you are refering to Cryptic themselves saying this I would like to read the comment myself.

Ten Ton Hammer: What the hell is a Cryptic Buck? (RawGutts)

Roper: As I mentioned earlier, Cryptic has a set of core technology that we build upon, and being able to have digital distribution for things that are both inside and outside the game was very important to us. We wanted to have a system in place that allowed people to get stuff that way.

So we came up with these Cryptic Bucks, and you can use those to get anything inside or outside of the game. We basically wanted to allow players to have a denomination that can be used across everything that Cryptic does. It’s definitely something we’ve fleshed out as we look towards the future as well. We’ll have players that are bouncing between CO and Star Trek
Online, so they can use those for either game. Or maybe they just want to get a hat.

As opposed to having to do billing for three different or four different solutions, we just made Cryptic bucks and are allowing players to use them wherever they want. It’s actually a model that gets used quite a bit in Asia, for those developers or publishers that have several different online games. You see that concept a little bit with US game cards, but traditionally that’s just used to pay off a subscription fee.
link = http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/71000/page/2 

So we came up with these cryptic bucks, and you can use then to get ANYTHING INSIDE or outside the game.

read my post OP bevore you put to mutch heat in tha little brain we all got.
 

hot subject, over reacted reactions, do like me,  save the heat and build a atomic bomb just in case..

Originally posted by Eladi

read my post OP bevore you put to mutch heat in tha little brain we all got.
 

hot subject, over reacted reactions

sure insult my intelligence, that will truly convince me you are right.  It is a hot subject and I did provide the link saying cryptic bucks can be used to buy anything in game - from Mr Roper. 

Originally posted by elderotter

Originally posted by Eladi

read my post OP bevore you put to mutch heat in tha little brain we all got.
 

hot subject, over reacted reactions

 

sure insult my intelligence, that will truly convince me you are right.  It is a hot subject and I did provide the link saying cryptic bucks can be used to buy anything in game - from Mr Roper. 

Were do I insult you ?  at worst I insult us all including me.. 

as for anyting Ingame... well we just have to see, could be items, Could be any other thing you can make up.

fact stays we dont know snitz , so we just gota wait bevore shouting out load on forums. we can ofcource discuse it , thats good, thats productive and gives them a warning how a player might think about it. but saying I wont play!!!! or anyting like that kinda does not work you know..

 

Originally posted by Eladi

Originally posted by elderotter

Originally posted by Eladi

read my post OP bevore you put to mutch heat in tha little brain we all got.
 

hot subject, over reacted reactions

 

sure insult my intelligence, that will truly convince me you are right.  It is a hot subject and I did provide the link saying cryptic bucks can be used to buy anything in game - from Mr Roper. 

 

Were do I insult you ?  at worst I insult us all including me.. 

as for anyting Ingame... well we just have to see, could be items, Could be any other thing you can make up.

fact stays we dont know snitz , so we just gota wait bevore shouting out load on forums. we can ofcource discuse it , thats good, thats productive and gives them a warning how a player might think about it. but saying I wont play!!!! or anyting like that kinda does not work you know..

 

guess we define 'anything' differently then, if you wish to insult yourself do so, leave the rest of us out of it.

Well we do have little brains you know.. and we use even less of it.. not a insult, just a fact..
Try not to take insult from anyting you read, its just numbers.. zero's and a lot of one's
 

if you feel insulted then I say sorry, not intended.

Originally posted by Eladi

Well we do have little brains you know.. and we use even less of it.. not a insult, just a fact..
Try not to take insult from anyting you read, its just numbers.. zero's and a lot of one's
 

if you feel insulted then I say sorry, not intended.

apology accepted,I am just disappointed and a little angry that they are doing this to a game I really looked forward to playing. Guess I look into other games now.

"anything inside or outside of the game" is a rather broad term, i'd say Bill Roper has phrased what he was trying to say wrong. Not even full RMT model games allow a player to buy "anything inside of the game". I'll wait for the open beta to make my decision, anyone else of course is entitled to over react and decide not to buy this game based on half information thats their perogative.

I don't know why there is so much heat already.  Instead of sounding like a RMT for in game goods it sounds like they are trying to consolidate all of the current and future game ventures to have one method of credit.  Normally games offer paid services from character transfers, to remodeling, to regular subscriptions.  If they go with a universal cost, with everything costing a specific amount of cryptic bucks, then they don't need to have separate billing set up for each game and associated services.

Also, this allow for them give enticing rewards drawing players to their games.  Something like maybe, X cryptic bucks for getting a friend to sign up to any one of their games.  Rewards then could also be given for competitions which then could be used as the winner should desire.

If they did also offer in game items, I could see it a way to purchase fluff items.  These might not do anything aside from looking cool, but there is a large market for people who would want them and attempt to gain cryptic bucks for them.  I seriously doubt, given they wish to associate it with all their games, Cryptic is going to go the RMT route.  However, these are all hypothetical ideas.

Best thing to do is to wait until they actually release the details, then discuss the positives and negatives instead of screaming about the sky falling.

I know how it feels to be disapointed about a game direction, sofar all newer games kinda done that.
Well you could run away now  or just wait and see how it turns out.

We only know rtm as they use it in asian games, the type of game Richard Aihoshi always defends.
I never seen a western based rtm system, could actualy work out fine.  its the mom does not wana pay for game kids and the anime loving type of players that play asian rtm games, the "core " gamer STO en CO are "made for"  would never pay for the same system.
They are well aware of it.
 

Me, Im not getting any hopes up anymore about anygame untill I see the final product live. I like live whitout disapointments, those are always so emotional..  I wana be spock when i grow up you know.. :)
 

Originally posted by Jojin

I don't know why there is so much heat already.  Instead of sounding like a RMT for in game goods it sounds like they are trying to consolidate all of the current and future game ventures to have one method of credit.  Normally games offer paid services from character transfers, to remodeling, to regular subscriptions.  If they go with a universal cost, with everything costing a specific amount of cryptic bucks, then they don't need to have separate billing set up for each game and associated services.

Also, this allow for them give enticing rewards drawing players to their games.  Something like maybe, X cryptic bucks for getting a friend to sign up to any one of their games.  Rewards then could also be given for competitions which then could be used as the winner should desire.

If they did also offer in game items, I could see it a way to purchase fluff items.  These might not do anything aside from looking cool, but there is a large market for people who would want them and attempt to gain cryptic bucks for them.  I seriously doubt, given they wish to associate it with all their games, Cryptic is going to go the RMT route.  However, these are all hypothetical ideas.

Best thing to do is to wait until they actually release the details, then discuss the positives and negatives instead of screaming about the sky falling.

not saying the sky is falling. I said I am disappointed since I will not play RMT games.  If you can afford to buy the game, pay a sub and buy stuff in game, more power to you. I will not. To me it gives an unfair advantages to those with more money than they know what to do with, if a player has more skills than me so be it, more money should not factor into the game.

Originally posted by Eladi

Ten Ton Hammer: What the hell is a Cryptic Buck? (RawGutts)

Roper: As I mentioned earlier, Cryptic has a set of core technology that we build upon, and being able to have digital distribution for things that are both inside and outside the game was very important to us. We wanted to have a system in place that allowed people to get stuff that way.

So we came up with these Cryptic Bucks, and you can use those to get anything inside or outside of the game. We basically wanted to allow players to have a denomination that can be used across everything that Cryptic does. It’s definitely something we’ve fleshed out as we look towards the future as well. We’ll have players that are bouncing between CO and Star Trek Online, so they can use those for either game. Or maybe they just want to get a hat.

As opposed to having to do billing for three different or four different solutions, we just made Cryptic bucks and are allowing players to use them wherever they want. It’s actually a model that gets used quite a bit in Asia, for those developers or publishers that have several different online games. You see that concept a little bit with US game cards, but traditionally that’s just used to pay off a subscription fee.

We’re trying to expand that out, so that if players get something with Cryptic bucks on it, they can go “Oh! I want pay for my subscriptions on these two games and buy this product from their store. “

 

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/71001 ( first offical mention but not saying how those bucks will be used, to me micro+hat+asia says kinda enoug for now ;)  )

http://forums.champions-online.com/showthread.php?p=561001 (complain tread)


now to translate from bill to player language :)
Its a universal cryptic payment system, it will be used to pay your subs whit and to get services.

These services are things like buying a Hat and likely to include character  trasver and rename services.
 

the interview in no way says anyting about ingame items and excusives,  if its for there services its all fine, if its for Ingame items .. well I just wont say what i think, childern might be reading...


 

 

Hehe, yeah that needs a translations indeed. I read it three times and still wasn't sure what he meant. Is this guy always talking like this? Why not say it clear, we will know about RMT/microntransactions anyway.

Not something I like, esp. since it has monthly fee already. :( Quite a letdown.

I have always disliked anything like goldselling, RMT or microtransactions, where RL richness influences anything in a MMO. Let people work in the game for what they want, not have RL $$$ power in a MMORPG. It may be the future, but one I don't have to like it and also I think microtransactions AND monthly fee is a bit... greedy, IMVPO.

For people quoting the Bill Roper interview, I'm quite aware of that and every other little tidbit they've said about Cryptic Bucks.

While with a wishful thinking hat on some have interpreted what Bill said to mean "there will only be fluff items for sale with MTs", he doesn't actually say that.

His response is vague and non-committal.

I stand by my earlier claim that no definitive answer has been given.

Frankly, I thought it was pretty straight forward. Mythic bucks are used to BUY  items from Mythic. Wheater it is CO or Star Trek or a Hat.  It is a game card that canbe used for more then just games.

Originally posted by AJ2ME

Frankly, I thought it was pretty straight forward. Mythic bucks are used to BUY  items from Mythic. Wheater it is CO or Star Trek or a Hat.  It is a game card that canbe used for more then just games.

It is the buy "anything IN game" that is the problem for me.  anything implies stuff thaat makes the characters more powerful based on how much you can spend on Cryptic bucks.

I was up to this point somewhat interested in this game, but now that RMT is confirmed I choose to vote with my wallet and stay well clear of it.

So they are also killing STO with Cryptic Bucks? Good, I was thinking we'd get too many potential MMOs in the future.

RMT officially in-game? Reason for me to not even try the game, especially when it already has a retail cost and a monthly fee. It doesn't matter if they are fluff or not, my vision of monthly subscriptions allow me to virtually possess anything, this is nothing more than a new way to squeeze money from players coupled with the retail and monthly fees.