who is the damn publisher for NA ?

Originally posted by cosy

who is the damn publisher for NA ?

Logic dictates that it is Aventurine..!

If they are too embarrased to ANNOUNCE who they are partnering with, the chances are they are trying to use slight of hand and not stir that question up.

if anyone buy a NA account plz tell us billing thing

It would be friggen awsome if we found out SOE was producing the game

then aventurine sells the game to SOE

a la Vanguard

i would have a chuckle

 To buy and download the NA client please follow the following thread:

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=203300

According to the US Darkfall website, it's $50 for the NA client, and the transfer fee is $40.

Originally posted by miagisan

It would be friggen awsome if we found out SOE was producing the game

then aventurine sells the game to SOE

a la Vanguard

 

i would have a chuckle

do you feel that it would be a good thing if SOE was the publisher and if so exactly why and what point of reference (as in what game) would you use as an example

"US CLIENT INSTALLATION:
http://www.us1.darkfallonline.com/dl/DarkfallFull/darkfall 1.0.38.torrent

This is a torrent and consists of an installer and Darkfall data files.

The size of the download is approximately 9,5GB. "

There's your fucking publisher. Bittorrent.

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

"US CLIENT INSTALLATION:
http://www.us1.darkfallonline.com/dl/DarkfallFull/darkfall 1.0.38.torrent

This is a torrent and consists of an installer and Darkfall data files.

The size of the download is approximately 9,5GB. "

 

There's your fucking publisher. Bittorrent.

 

 

This is probably the funniest thing I'll read today.  Cheers.

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

"US CLIENT INSTALLATION:
http://www.us1.darkfallonline.com/dl/DarkfallFull/darkfall 1.0.38.torrent

This is a torrent and consists of an installer and Darkfall data files.

The size of the download is approximately 9,5GB. "

 

There's your fucking publisher. Bittorrent.

 

 

I approve this post.

THAT was good funny

Originally posted by Routver

According to the US Darkfall website, it's $50 for the NA client, and the transfer fee is $40.

ROFL. Let me see.... $50 for EU client a while back... and know you US people have to pay another $50 for NA client plus $40 for the transfer.

And that for a game that has more nails enroute to it's coffin then one can imagine.

Good luck with that. What a scam indeed.

Someone should do a traceroute to see if the server is in the US or not.

Originally posted by Guillermo197 

people have to pay another $50 for NA client plus $40 for the transfer.

afaik if u pay the transfer fee the account is for free

but i wont bet money on that ... lol

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Routver

According to the US Darkfall website, it's $50 for the NA client, and the transfer fee is $40.

 

ROFL. Let me see.... $50 for EU client a while back... and know you US people have to pay another $50 for NA client plus $40 for the transfer.

And that for a game that has more nails enroute to it's coffin then one can imagine.

Good luck with that. What a scam indeed.

No, you got it wrong. You can either start playing now for $50 (and will have to reroll) or wait three months and the transfer fee will be $40.

Originally posted by SlyLoK

Someone should do a traceroute to see if the server is in the US or not.

 

Deep down. What does your gut feeling tell you.

Originally posted by Routver

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Routver

According to the US Darkfall website, it's $50 for the NA client, and the transfer fee is $40.

 

ROFL. Let me see.... $50 for EU client a while back... and know you US people have to pay another $50 for NA client plus $40 for the transfer.

And that for a game that has more nails enroute to it's coffin then one can imagine.

Good luck with that. What a scam indeed.

 

No, you got it wrong. You can either start playing now for $50 (and will have to reroll) or wait three months and the transfer fee will be $40.

Still its a BIG scam. No matter how you put it.

They sold EU clients to you US people with the guarantee that you were able to transfer for free to the US server when it came out, as they wanted to start with EU server only.

And now they screw you over and you either pay $100  (EU client plus US client) or $90 (EU client plus transfer).

But then again, Tasos have been lying to you all all along. So it seems nothing new really.

And I guess it won't be long either till someone figures out how to traceroute this new US server and finds out it's located next to the EU-1 right here in Europe.

Think that will be pretty much the final nail on Darkfalls coffin.

Cheers

It  is funny how I can Google for a publisher for Darkfall and find one for Dark Fall: Lost Souls. BUt absolutely nothing for this game.

Well if they want my money they will tell me who is publishing this game. If it is Aventurine self publishing Then all the players who left EU1 and payed again for the NA really got screwed.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Still its a BIG scam. No matter how you put it.

They sold EU clients to you US people with the guarantee that you were able to transfer for free to the US server when it came out, as they wanted to start with EU server only.

And now they screw you over and you either pay $100  (EU client plus US client) or $90 (EU client plus transfer).

But then again, Tasos have been lying to you all all along. So it seems nothing new really.

And I guess it won't be long either till someone figures out how to traceroute this new US server and finds out it's located next to the EU-1 right here in Europe.

Think that will be pretty much the final nail on Darkfalls coffin.

Cheers

1. No - they didn't promise you.  I created a long, detailed thread with quotes from Tasos.  Neither Aventurine or Tasos ever promised (or even stated) North American players would be able to transfer for FREE.  Didn't happen.
2. That being said, I do feel like Aventurine is pulling a fast one.  While AudioVisual's presence is completely lacking from the European Darkfall website, the fact is they ARE (or were) the publisher/distributor for Europe.  There has been NO public announcement, either through Aventurine or any other source that I've been able to find, regarding the existence of an agreement betwen any other entity and Aventurine to publish Darkfall Online in North America. Per Tasos, in two separate statements (source 1, source 2):  

   05-27-2009, 05:40 PM
   Tasos Darkfall Developer   Join Date: Jan 2003	Darkfall information update May 27th ... North American Server Many of you saw the announcement our server hosting partner GNI made about the signing of our cooperation in North America.  We had already explained that we would be launching in North America sometime during Q2 2009 and this information is also in the FAQ: We will be making our own announcement when we nail down an exact launch date for the NA server, there are a couple of things which may affect the launch date by a few days that are not ironed out completely yet. Character transfer/cloning will become available with a significant delay (months) and possible further restrictions. This concerns only the characters without any of their possessions. More on this at a later date.  There are several considerations to be taken into account including the fact that European rights and North American rights to Darkfall belong to different organizations. ... __________________ Last edited by Tasos; 05-27-2009 at 06:09 PM..

   06-24-2009, 08:19 PM
   Tasos Darkfall Developer   Join Date: Jan 2003	Clarification Clarification: American players wanting to clone and transfer their characters do not have to buy another client. Everyone else needs to buy the American Darkfall client to play on the American server. The European rights and the American rights to Darkfall do not belong to the same company, therefore you cannot freely transfer between the two territories, as is the case with most MMORPGs. Our offer of character cloning / transfer to American players is because we had said that we would try to accommodate them should they want to start playing on the European server. __________________ Last edited by Tasos; 06-24-2009 at 08:20 PM..

   By referring to the rights belonging to separate companies, Tasos implies that there's a new publisher involved.  After all, if Aventurine was self publishing, why not just say it?  If Aventurine is sefl-publishing at this time, then it's essentially a lie-by-omission.
3. Aventurine's justification for charging for the North American client and for the transfer costs is that the rights belong to separate companies.  If there was actually a third-party involved, this would be reasonable and customary.  In the absence of a third party (self-publishing), I can see Aventurine paying a per/account fee to AudioVisual to essentially "buy" EU characters so they can be released and transferred to North America, but why charge for a North American client license for existing EU players? I can understand the charge and transfers as a matter of logicstics, but the entire scheme seems very underhanded.

Good game or not, I wouldn't ever support Aventurine again after this debacle.  Why support a company that behaves in such an unprofessional and deceptive manner?  If Aventurine was a restaurant and served the best food in the world, but their service sucked and their business tactics were underhanded, I wouldn't eat at their restaurant.  Why?  Because the food is just part of the experience. Likewise, I won't pay to play their game. Their support is awful, their staff is unprofessional, their ability to effectively and honestly communicate with their customers is dismal and they appear to be deliberately misleading players in regards to the North American launch.

~Ripper

Honestly, what is the big deal? Every MMO developer charges for transfers, and that's if they even allow transfers at all across the atlantic. WOW sure doesn't, they make you buy a whole separate client and they don't even give you the option of transferring! All this drama is like a storm in a teacup.

Originally posted by chokepoint

Honestly, what is the big deal? Every MMO developer charges for transfers, and that's if they even allow transfers at all across the atlantic. WOW sure doesn't, they make you buy a whole separate client and they don't even give you the option of transferring! All this drama is like a storm in a teacup.

its a big deal from the standpoint of AV basically misleading the consumer. No real reason to rehash the entire thing though.

From reading the DF forums, and talking to the few guildies who decided to repurchase the game, payments go to Adventurine SA, which is the same entity as EU. its just a simple money grab to generate more revenue at this point. Its actually more expensive to transfer a charecter then to buy a new account at this point. 15$ monthly + 40$ transfer fee, and the monthly fee doesnt roll over between EU and NA servers. Or just pay 50$ for 1 month + new account.

Personally while i like aspects of the game and really want to see a good FFA pvp game again, i have no interest in being scammed for more money, and hope AV fails pathetically at this point.

Originally posted by chokepoint

Honestly, what is the big deal? Every MMO developer charges for transfers, and that's if they even allow transfers at all across the atlantic. WOW sure doesn't, they make you buy a whole separate client and they don't even give you the option of transferring! All this drama is like a storm in a teacup.

Dragonica online is a new ftp game thats currently in beta which my daughter and i are actually enjoying together.

for the usa the publisher is thq ice, and for europe its gpotato while fore the rest  its Iah games.

3 pubishers for 3 different parts of the world for the same game.  You have open an account for each but its obious you want to play in the one for your region as lag does affect your preformance in this game,

Each publisher Has their logo display when you boot them up. Were talking about a damn grinder free to play game properly displaying its publishers per region.

Av has shown us NO PUBLISHER WHAT SO EVER FOR THE USA SO THEY ARE OBIOUSLY SELF PUBLISHING IT SCAMMING PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THE GAME TO BUY IT AGAIN.

Pisss poor company ethics i have no respect for the  shit they are, in fact they are worse than shit, they are the damn parasites that  reside in the shit waiting for a blind fanboy to step on the shit so they can infect him. They are that low.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

do you feel that it would be a good thing if SOE was the publisher and if so exactly why and what point of reference (as in what game) would you use as an example

SOE publishing would be a mixed bag. I'll list a few things below, but one go so far as to call them pro or con as that will clearly be in the eye of the beholder:

• I've noticed a lot of SWG vets following DF. If SOE's name were somehow involved, that would be one customer base that may be less likely to buy.
• DF would become part of Station Pass which would give a customer a perception of better value for the money (access to other Station Pass games).
• SOE can keep a game running well past it's natural life time so you could be sure the game would not cease to exist any time soon.
• DF would likely gets it's own Trading Card game which would include the ability to obtain in game items.
• In addition to the trading card game, DF could become another micro-transaction test bed for SOE.
• SOE has a lot of resources to aid in development (and eventually assimilate).
• SOE typically gives free trials for many of their games.

I'm sure there are a lot more bullet points that can be added, but that is what I can think of off the top of my head. Like I said though, mixed bag. Also, purely speculation based on my experience with SOE and having followed their various releases/acquisitions since I ended my SWG sub.

edit:

As far as point of reference, mine would be SWG. I would think you could also see Vangaurd and PoTBS as having some parallels if SOE were to take an interest in DF.

I'm going to guess that Aventurine is publishing in NA.

I only say this because with the European accounts, Audio Visual is named in the Privacy and Refund Policies.

Whereas Aventurine is named for the NA accounts.

Like I said, just guess (hunch).

Originally posted by Respit

I'm going to guess that Aventurine is publishing in NA.

I only say this because with the European accounts, Audio Visual is named in the Privacy and Refund Policies.

Whereas Aventurine is named for the NA accounts.

Like I said, just guess (hunch).

Duh, as I said in the other thread about the same thing, the other publisher must have gotten cold feets, the game is probably not selling as well as they hoped.

I totaly agree, there is no other possible reason for being secret about it now. Not whatsoever (well, ok, if it is Blizzard they have a reason but that would be a snowy day in h#ll).

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Respit

I'm going to guess that Aventurine is publishing in NA.

I only say this because with the European accounts, Audio Visual is named in the Privacy and Refund Policies.

Whereas Aventurine is named for the NA accounts.

Like I said, just guess (hunch).

 

Duh, as I said in the other thread about the same thing, the other publisher must have gotten cold feets, the game is probably not selling as well as they hoped.

I totaly agree, there is no other possible reason for being secret about it now. Not whatsoever (well, ok, if it is Blizzard they have a reason but that would be a snowy day in h#ll).

Duh, guess I missed you're post in a different thread.

So you think there was different publisher other than Aventurine, and they pulled out at the last second.

Personally, I feel that there was never a different publisher other than Aventurine.