Originally posted by templarga

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I agree with you but Aion fanbois rather insult the poster than actually debate the points they make.....it is common practice in these forums.

You are correct. Aion will not appeal to most WOW players and actually it will make them quite angry when they get to level 20-25+ and Rifts start opening and they realize this game eliminates the player's choice to PVP when they want too. It is simple as that.

WOW players like choice, that is ultimately why the game is so big and why so many people like it. Aion doesn't give you a choice to PVP, it doesn't give a choice of leveling zones, it doesn't even give you a choice of starter zones or races (just 1 per side and that is the only choice you make).

Since when are all WoW players the same?

Originally posted by Averno

Its a Korean MMO

Its published by NCSoft

It doesnt look visually attractive

It doesnt appear to bring anything new

Its clearly not new itself (being v1.5)

So what am I missing? Is it just that since around 2004 all of the recent MMO's have been crap and thus anything that doesnt look 3/10 suddenly jumps into everyones MMO GOTY list?

I dont get it, I think everyones being blinded by hope and marketing hype and neglecting to see this game for what it really is.. A ho-hum, run of the mill lineage2 clone.

Doesn't look visually attractive?  That's funny.  I don't like Pixar's style, but I can't deny that it looks good, and I even enjoy their movies. I'm also not a fan of Van Gogh, but I still appreciate his work.  I was not a fan of the WoW graphics, but I learned to appreciate it, and what it does good. It's one thing to not like the style, it's another to totally dismiss it just because of your opinion. 

Name me one recently released MMO that has brought something really new to the genre?  No clue what you mean by "Its clearly not new itself (being v1.5)."  You do realize western MMOs get released late in the east right?

What you're missing is appreciation for things you don't understand.  Your mindset is similar to that of a racist (not saying you are). 
 

You're right some people may be blinded by hype, but I actually love the style.  Believe it or not, I'm Asian, and I grew up reading American comics.  I got into Manga/Anime much later.  The point is, I appreciate both styles and always will.  As a matter of fact I'm trying out AoC, and I like the graphics in that game.  Maybe it's because I'm an artist myself, but many of my friends who are not artists like both styles as well. 

You just seem ignorant, and very closed minded (as far as games and art go).  If you don't like it, that's fine.  There is no need to go on a personal crusade against Aion and Korean games.  Especially when your main concern is the graphics and the fact Aion brings nothing new.  That is nothing to be mad about. 

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Yep, after trying it over a June weekend, I do not see this game appealing to WoW players and that is an informed statement.  Nice try at invalidating it though.....not.

Warhammer Online has a helll of a lot more in common with WoW than Aion does and it didn't even have an impact on WoW on it's release date.  That indicates they didn't even jump ship to try the game, so how can anyone in their right mind think Aion would have a better chance when it's much more hardcore oriented and forces PvP after level 25?

Informed statement you say?  So all it takes this day in age is to play the game and you know everything about every player in the game? 

Okay Mr. Statistician, I and others on this forum would like to see some hard facts that you are in fact an "informed" individual.  Just experiencing something does not make you informed.

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Yep, after trying it over a June weekend, I do not see this game appealing to WoW players and that is an informed statement.  Nice try at invalidating it though.....not.

Warhammer Online has a helll of a lot more in common with WoW than Aion does and it didn't even have an impact on WoW on it's release date.  That indicates they didn't even jump ship to try the game, so how can anyone in their right mind think Aion would have a better chance when it's much more hardcore oriented and forces PvP after level 25?

Informed statement you say?  So all it takes this day in age is to play the game and you know everything about every player in the game? 

Okay Mr. Statistician, I and others on this forum would like to see some hard facts that you are in fact an "informed" individual.  Just experiencing something does not make you informed.

 

No different than saying a game targets WoW players {mod edit}, it also assumes that many players share your point of view.  I also would like to see your facts and statistics that support the claims made by Aion fanbois in this and other threads.  Spewing WoW killer or competitor doesn't make your camp informed either bub. 

Maybe, just maybe, my casual perspective actually does give my opinion credence for other casual players {mod edit}

Originally posted by Locklain

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Yep, after trying it over a June weekend, I do not see this game appealing to WoW players and that is an informed statement.  Nice try at invalidating it though.....not.

Warhammer Online has a helll of a lot more in common with WoW than Aion does and it didn't even have an impact on WoW on it's release date.  That indicates they didn't even jump ship to try the game, so how can anyone in their right mind think Aion would have a better chance when it's much more hardcore oriented and forces PvP after level 25?

Informed statement you say?  So all it takes this day in age is to play the game and you know everything about every player in the game? 

Okay Mr. Statistician, I and others on this forum would like to see some hard facts that you are in fact an "informed" individual.  Just experiencing something does not make you informed.

 

There is no quanitative data to say what players in a game won't or don't won't. It is very hard to tell, especially these days when there are so many options out there. With some games, I think it is easier to do than others.

For example, years ago, hardcore PVP'ers wanted FFA servers in many games. Well Mythic put one in DAOC (Mordred) and it was empty beyond belief. Had you listened to the community begging for it, it sounded like the server would have 10000 players; it had much, much less.

 Some of us, who have spent years in the game, have tried to figure out what makes the game different. Even if you hate WOW with an undying passion, you have to admit it is remarkable (heck, unbelievable) that an MMO has 11 or so million players. It was just, what - 9 years ago - when SOE was asking people to call their friends to have them log-on to EQ so they could claim to have 100,000 concurrent users!! Now we talk MMO's in terms of millions and not thousands. Its crazy.

With that said, one has to stop and think about the game. Why is WOW a success? What have other major MMOs, that have come out since like AOC and WAR, missed that made WOW so appealing?

We can debate this all day long but for me, and the answer I tend to agree with (I didn't come up with it) is that WOW is all about choice. There is nothing in WOW that you have to do. From the lowest level 1 just starting the game to the biggest level 80, the game offers choice every step of the way. You have many different starting zones, you have 2-3 areas to level in for every major leveling span (10-20, 20-20, etc..). I have played off and on since launch and still have yet to do quests in several zones.

You have so many dungeons including mutliples at most level ranges. Even at the end game, you have a lot to do even though people want to say its all raid, raid, raid.

So again, I think what WOW offers and Aion fails to do, is that WOW offers choice and Aion doesn't. Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it. When I was trying the weekends, I can tell you that alone destroyed my interest in ever creating an alt. In addition, at level 10, you better hope you pick the class you really like because if not, you have to redo 1-10 again and it will be exactly the same.

That is why I THINK Aion will not appeal, over time, to the average WOW player. Compared to WOW, AIon feels very claustrophobic. Sure, it will appeal to some and that is great but there are things in the game that won't as well.

rofl mods are all over this thread.

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Yep, after trying it over a June weekend, I do not see this game appealing to WoW players and that is an informed statement.  Nice try at invalidating it though.....not.

Warhammer Online has a helll of a lot more in common with WoW than Aion does and it didn't even have an impact on WoW on it's release date.  That indicates they didn't even jump ship to try the game, so how can anyone in their right mind think Aion would have a better chance when it's much more hardcore oriented and forces PvP after level 25?

Informed statement you say?  So all it takes this day in age is to play the game and you know everything about every player in the game? 

Okay Mr. Statistician, I and others on this forum would like to see some hard facts that you are in fact an "informed" individual.  Just experiencing something does not make you informed.

 

 

No different than saying a game targets WoW players {mod edit}, it also assumes that many players share your point of view.  I also would like to see your facts and statistics that support the claims made by Aion fanbois in this and other threads.  Spewing WoW killer or competitor doesn't make your camp informed either bub. 

Maybe, just maybe, my casual perspective actually does give my opinion credence for other casual players {mod edit}

My camp?  I have no camp I just want a game that I can play and enjoy.

Matching speculation with speculation is not the way to win an argument and as far as me having proof that WoW players will come to Aion . . . I would rather they stay where they are.

Opinions have no credence no matter who gives them; after all, they are nothing more than opinions.  It is up to the people making use of an opinion to give it credence.

Originally posted by templarga

Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it.

 

I can tell you that alone destroyed my interest in ever creating an alt. In addition, at level 10, you better hope you pick the class you really like because if not, you have to redo 1-10 again and it will be exactly the same.

Did i miss something or did wow also have 2 factions?

been a while but im sure i had to choose between Horde or alliance

Ya nice for the first 20 levels in another zone with mostly identical quests. after that same old same old all the way to 80.

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it.

 

Did i miss something or did wow also have 2 factions?

been a while but im sure i had to choose between Horde or alliance

Horde and Alliance,

Aion will have Asmodian, Elyos, and Baldar (npc)

Originally posted by spector75

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it.

 

Did i miss something or did wow also have 2 factions?

been a while but im sure i had to choose between Horde or alliance

 

Horde and Alliance,

Aion will have Asmodian, Elyos, and Baldar (npc)

Horde and alliance multiplyed by how many races and how many starting zones? Aion will draw a big crowd then after the lovin they will settle in at AOC/Warhammer numbers and if lucky LOTRO numbers. Unless the miracle patch known as 1.5 introduces more races/ starting areas, which im sure it will as its going to fix all bugs, all bots, all hacks and introduce everything else known to MMO,s.Yes im very skeptical about this "fix all" patch that you have to buy the game to see. Here kid try this for free, the good stuff comes later.

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it.

 

Did i miss something or did wow also have 2 factions?

been a while but im sure i had to choose between Horde or alliance

WOW, way to take one comment out of context. Sure, WOW has two factions and you choose a class. But after that you can do what you want. You can even take a race/character of your choice and run them to another starting area if you want.

Once you get to level 10 or so, you can then go and choose between 2-3 zones to level from 10-20. And the same for level 20-30 and so on and so forth.

My point is that after you choose your side and your class, your choices in Aion (including to PVP or not) are fairly, if not, totally limited.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by spector75

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it.

 

Did i miss something or did wow also have 2 factions?

been a while but im sure i had to choose between Horde or alliance

 

Horde and Alliance,

Aion will have Asmodian, Elyos, and Baldar (npc)

Horde and alliance multiplyed by how many races and how many starting zones? Aion will draw a big crowd then after the lovin they will settle in at AOC/Warhammer numbers and if lucky LOTRO numbers. Unless the miracle patch known as 1.5 introduces more races/ starting areas, which im sure it will as its going to fix all bugs, all bots, all hacks and introduce everything else known to MMO,s.Yes im very skeptical about this "fix all" patch that you have to buy the game to see. Here kid try this for free, the good stuff comes later.

Exactly, thank you.

And there is no such thing as a miracle patch, never has been and never will be.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by spector75

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it.

 

Did i miss something or did wow also have 2 factions?

been a while but im sure i had to choose between Horde or alliance

 

Horde and Alliance,

Aion will have Asmodian, Elyos, and Baldar (npc)

Horde and alliance multiplyed by how many races and how many starting zones? Aion will draw a big crowd then after the lovin they will settle in at AOC/Warhammer

And out of those races which are the ones that are the most popular? What does that tell you? Besides, you can make your toon look like a troll, orc, dwarf...whatever you like! 

I don't get all the hatred. More competition is better for the market, better for us all.

And all of these statistics pulled out of one's own a**.

People will play whatever they consider "fun". All of our opinions do not matter. Only time will tell if NCSoft has struck gold by creating that elusive "fun" factor.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it.

 

Did i miss something or did wow also have 2 factions?

been a while but im sure i had to choose between Horde or alliance

WOW, way to take one comment out of context. Sure, WOW has two factions and you choose a class. But after that you can do what you want. You can even take a race/character of your choice and run them to another starting area if you want.

Once you get to level 10 or so, you can then go and choose between 2-3 zones to level from 10-20. And the same for level 20-30 and so on and so forth.

My point is that after you choose your side and your class, your choices in Aion (including to PVP or not) are fairly, if not, totally limited.

Want to roll Horde paly, ah shit Belf no other choice.

Originally posted by templarga

We can debate this all day long but for me, and the answer I tend to agree with (I didn't come up with it) is that WOW is all about choice. There is nothing in WOW that you have to do. From the lowest level 1 just starting the game to the biggest level 80, the game offers choice every step of the way. You have many different starting zones, you have 2-3 areas to level in for every major leveling span (10-20, 20-20, etc..). I have played off and on since launch and still have yet to do quests in several zones.

You have so many dungeons including mutliples at most level ranges. Even at the end game, you have a lot to do even though people want to say its all raid, raid, raid.

So again, I think what WOW offers and Aion fails to do, is that WOW offers choice and Aion doesn't. Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it. When I was trying the weekends, I can tell you that alone destroyed my interest in ever creating an alt. In addition, at level 10, you better hope you pick the class you really like because if not, you have to redo 1-10 again and it will be exactly the same.

That is why I THINK Aion will not appeal, over time, to the average WOW player. Compared to WOW, AIon feels very claustrophobic. Sure, it will appeal to some and that is great but there are things in the game that won't as well.

WoW may have offered a choice in where you wanted to play at earl levels, but that doesn't matter to me.  I leveled all my characters in most of the same areas every time.  Why?  Because it was much quicker to do the quests I already knew.  Some areas had horrible quests.  As a matter of fact many quest lines would send you back and forth across the world, which was annoying to me. 

WoW did not really offer much as far as character creation.  Sure they had more races to choose from.  They also had about 6 skins you could choose for your character.  I would much rather have 2 races, and be able to create a unique looking character.  So yeah, WoW offered more as far as race, but nowhere near the amount of choice in customizing your appearance.

What I don't understand is why people feel the need to attack a game they don't like (and don't even plan on playing).  What are these games doing to hurt you? If you have fun in WoW, why not talk about how great WoW is without putting down other games?

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it.

 

Did i miss something or did wow also have 2 factions?

been a while but im sure i had to choose between Horde or alliance

WOW, way to take one comment out of context. Sure, WOW has two factions and you choose a class. But after that you can do what you want. You can even take a race/character of your choice and run them to another starting area if you want.

Once you get to level 10 or so, you can then go and choose between 2-3 zones to level from 10-20. And the same for level 20-30 and so on and so forth.

My point is that after you choose your side and your class, your choices in Aion (including to PVP or not) are fairly, if not, totally limited.

Want to roll Horde paly, ah shit Belf no other choice.

Brilliant.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by spector75

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it.

 

Did i miss something or did wow also have 2 factions?

been a while but im sure i had to choose between Horde or alliance

 

Horde and Alliance,

Aion will have Asmodian, Elyos, and Baldar (npc)

Horde and alliance multiplyed by how many races and how many starting zones? Aion will draw a big crowd then after the lovin they will settle in at AOC/Warhammer numbers and if lucky LOTRO numbers. Unless the miracle patch known as 1.5 introduces more races/ starting areas, which im sure it will as its going to fix all bugs, all bots, all hacks and introduce everything else known to MMO,s.Yes im very skeptical about this "fix all" patch that you have to buy the game to see. Here kid try this for free, the good stuff comes later.

2 major issues come to mind with your post... they never said it would be a "fix all" patch... infact we know 99% of what is currently in this patch... And, since when do we have to buy it to see the patch? Did you not know it already came out in Korea? Or that we can easily access there info since this is the internet and all...

Maybe you meant to say, that you are supposed to buy the game to actually PLAY the changes, which i would agree with.... But we will know LONG before the game comes out here what is or is not in 1.5 fully. 90 or so % of the changes they are making effect NOTHING we would be doing at under say lvl 30ish, so why would it matter if we were testing 1.0 or 1.5?

Originally posted by bleyzwun

What I don't understand is why people feel the need to attack a game they don't like (and don't even plan on playing).  What are these games doing to hurt you? If you have fun in WoW, why not talk about how great WoW is without putting down other games?

Exactly what I was thinking. I have played other games, but none which I truly loved after quitting WoW.

It did not compel me to come to these forums and troll another title. Each and every title had something unique, just not the whole package for me.

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by templarga

Aion makes you choose your side at character creation and after that, you make a class choice at 10 and that is really it.

 

Did i miss something or did wow also have 2 factions?

been a while but im sure i had to choose between Horde or alliance

WOW, way to take one comment out of context. Sure, WOW has two factions and you choose a class. But after that you can do what you want. You can even take a race/character of your choice and run them to another starting area if you want.

Once you get to level 10 or so, you can then go and choose between 2-3 zones to level from 10-20. And the same for level 20-30 and so on and so forth.

My point is that after you choose your side and your class, your choices in Aion (including to PVP or not) are fairly, if not, totally limited.

Want to roll Horde paly, ah shit Belf no other choice.

Um, yeah and just like an Alliance Shaman can only be Dranei. However, this was added with BC to help Blizzard balance the sides as it was too time consuming and make raids and encounters equally difficult for Horde and Alliance when, at launch, the classes were not equal per side.

So you comparison fails as this was an added game decisions at a later date and was, in the original game design, never intended.

I rather deal with that than " Oh look, I just got level 10 and chose the Gladiator class and it sucks. Oh well, guess I will have to create an alt, do everything, exactly the same, all the same quests, everything AGAIN just because I don't like my class".

        O.K. game...the best graphic attribute is the avatar itself...looked f@cking awesome. The rest of the graphics were pretty...but not too much weight or depth imo. Looked like a painting most times..not an actual 3d world. It ran very,very smooth. No problems in performance and no bugs that i noticed. It should do well. I'm playing WOW right now though..mostly PvE for years but decided to jump into battlegrounds..and loving it...grinding for half decent gear...to maybe start experiencing raids for better PvE stuff.....or just BGs who knows. I recommend Aion...and would probably play it more often had I not discovered new fun with an old flame.

        I know people will say " How can you criticize depth and weight of Aion and like the cartoony WOW?"...but despite it's art style....WoW still has a feeling of weight ..perspective...the odd virtual experience that your avatar is 3d...walking in a 3d world...and making solid footsteps on the solid ground while gazing out into the far distance of a vast horizon.....if that makes any sense. It is better at fooling the senses that way and thus gets bonuses on immersion factors...imo. I wish more mmo developers would consider this when making their games...AoC has a pretty good hold on this illusion as well...only you can't actually travel to everyplace you may see off in the horizon.

       Again..Aion is o.k.....but now-a-days you've got to really capture most players right from  the beginning...with just how different and not run-of-the mill your game plays...to pull them from another game where they have invested many, many hours. I myself have become one such player...after being disappointed too many times by past mmo launches and/or subsequent changes. Imo..Aion does not do this.