IM MAKING REFERENCE TO MAJINASH'S COMMENT ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THIS THREAD.

Originally posted by chaod1984

"considering its huge success in asia already."

Again, need a remind you that the Asian market caters to a much different taste of MMORPG's than does the Western Hemisphere's.  It's gonna be sad when this game flops, but please dont come to me for answers....I, as well as so many others, Told you so!

I am going to make a blanket statement as well.  I didn't even have to look at your profile to tell that you are from the US.  Only people from the states are as ignorant about the world as you are.  Seriously, just because the game doesn't cater to your tastes doesn't mean that all 300 million people in the US feel the same way.

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by bleyzwun

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by bleyzwun

Originally posted by chaod1984

3.  The game is built for PVP...maybe that flies in the Eastern part of the world, but it will NEVER fly over in the Western hemisphere.  Of course you'll have those that will contest this all day til they are blue in the face, but tell me what game geared toward a more PVP end-game has lived to tell the story?  PVP is like a great co-star in a movie(think Jay and Silent Bob or something similar), they are great to have in a movie, but when making a movie about them, you get a little more than anyone can handle, causing a bad reaction.  This is PVP.  It is a snack, not a full course meal.

I could probably think of some more things, but dont want to get the natives too angry....this game will not do well...period.

 

I never played DAoC, but from what I understand that game is a PvP game. People are still playing it, so I guess it's living to tell the story.

Oh, and Jay & Silent Bob are the shit!  Their movie wasn't incredible, but I thought it was pretty damn funny.  Then again, I like many things most people don't like. 

Please stop comparing Aion to DAOC. They only have the fact that it is an RVR based system in place in game. Other than that they are night and day apart.

First, the biggest issue, is that Aion does not have a playable 3rd race to balance the other two sides. Two sided PVP games ultimately fail due to end-game balance issues. Servers becomes havens for "this" side or "that" side. Once this happens, balance becomes an issue and people either leave of have to re-roll on a new server to find competitive PVP. However, due to the linear aspect of Aion and claustrophobic feel of the zones, I think many will not want to re-roll that often.

Second, and the other big difference, is DAOC allowed you to level and PVE with NO FEAR and NO CHANCE of pvp'ing when you didn't want too. The player chose to PVP in DAOC and had to physically and knowingly go and choose to do it. In Aion, PVP comes to the player even if the player doesn't want to PVP.

People like to say there are only two groups of PVP'ers, hardcore and the so called "carebears" that avoid PVP at all costs, However, there is a 3rd group and it is quite large. They are the middle-of-the-road PVP'ers who enjoy it but enjoy it on their terms. They will PVP but they want to knowingly choose to do it. At the same time, when they don't want to PVP, they will avoid it totally.

DAOC offered this. Aion does not. This will be a major issue that will hurt Aion with the middle ground PVP'ers who will ultimately gravitate towards a game  that offers the solace of PVE with the CHOICE of PVP.

 

First of all, I never compared Aion to DAOC.  I even said I never played it, so I couldn't even begin to compare them.  I was answering this.

"Of course you'll have those that will contest this all day til they are blue in the face, but tell me what game geared toward a more PVP end-game has lived to tell the story?"

DAoC has lived till now.  Is it as huge as WoW?  Of course not, but it's still alive and people are playing it.

Exactly. DAOC was a PVP, er, RVR, focused end-game with chances to PVP while leveling.

At NO point did DAOC make you ever PVP or make the choice for you to PVP. It was always up to the player.

Aion makes the choice for you and that is the key difference.

Not sure what you're really getting at.  First you tell me not to compare AIon and DAoC, when I clearly wasn't making a comparison.  Now you tell me Aion forces you to PvP.  You don't have to go into the Abyss if you don't want to. I understand there are Rifts, but they aren't open permanently.  Also, don't give me this "er, RvR" like it makes you cool.  I know exactly what RvR is, and when you break it down, it's basically PvP.

RvR is just faction based PvP. And aion has a lot of the same things related to RvR that DAoC had, like it's own darkness falls type area (The Abyss) and sieges. It even does have 3 factions (even if one is NPC controlled).

You might get hurt because you liked DAoC and "hate" Aion but it is a perfectly valid comparison. And yeah you can PvE whenever you want if you don't feel like PvPing dude, rift's are going to announce to the entire world that they are there after all. And, well, the chances that a rift is going to spawn right on your ass and a bunch of dudes come barreling out of it right away is quite slim, chances are it'll usually spawn in a location not right near you.

But I guess since there is that slight chance of danger that you might die and have to run back you don't want to even bother, right? The game has plenty for PvE players and plenty for PvP players. Some of them even work together (like fortress instances for example).

Sure, if you never want to PvP I can see why Aion would not be your game, but for the person who is in the middle of the road (like you are) I see no reason not to like the game. Of course you've also been informed of how rifts work numerous times yet you still go on a campaign against them, like you're expecting that just because of the possibility of getting ganked there that it will happen, and it will happen often.

That's, of course, not the case though. Then again even in big FFA games like a WoW PvP server, or AoC or something you could get by a lot of times without getting into much trouble. You might have to be a bit more observant but that's it.

Originally posted by chaod1984

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by bleyzwun

Originally posted by chaod1984

3.  The game is built for PVP...maybe that flies in the Eastern part of the world, but it will NEVER fly over in the Western hemisphere.  Of course you'll have those that will contest this all day til they are blue in the face, but tell me what game geared toward a more PVP end-game has lived to tell the story?  PVP is like a great co-star in a movie(think Jay and Silent Bob or something similar), they are great to have in a movie, but when making a movie about them, you get a little more than anyone can handle, causing a bad reaction.  This is PVP.  It is a snack, not a full course meal.

I could probably think of some more things, but dont want to get the natives too angry....this game will not do well...period.

 

I never played DAoC, but from what I understand that game is a PvP game. People are still playing it, so I guess it's living to tell the story.

Oh, and Jay & Silent Bob are the shit!  Their movie wasn't incredible, but I thought it was pretty damn funny.  Then again, I like many things most people don't like. 

Please stop comparing Aion to DAOC. They only have the fact that it is an RVR based system in place in game. Other than that they are night and day apart.

First, the biggest issue, is that Aion does not have a playable 3rd race to balance the other two sides. Two sided PVP games ultimately fail due to end-game balance issues. Servers becomes havens for "this" side or "that" side. Once this happens, balance becomes an issue and people either leave of have to re-roll on a new server to find competitive PVP. However, due to the linear aspect of Aion and claustrophobic feel of the zones, I think many will not want to re-roll that often.

Second, and the other big difference, is DAOC allowed you to level and PVE with NO FEAR and NO CHANCE of pvp'ing when you didn't want too. The player chose to PVP in DAOC and had to physically and knowingly go and choose to do it. In Aion, PVP comes to the player even if the player doesn't want to PVP.

People like to say there are only two groups of PVP'ers, hardcore and the so called "carebears" that avoid PVP at all costs, However, there is a 3rd group and it is quite large. They are the middle-of-the-road PVP'ers who enjoy it but enjoy it on their terms. They will PVP but they want to knowingly choose to do it. At the same time, when they don't want to PVP, they will avoid it totally.

 

DAOC offered this. Aion does not. This will be a major issue that will hurt Aion with the middle ground PVP'ers who will ultimately gravitate towards a game  that offers the solace of PVE with the CHOICE of PVP.

 

Aion has 2 playable races and a third NPC one that balances everything out. Do you know whether this works in practice or not? nope. The main REASON for the Balaur race's existance is to balance the 2 sides, strange how you don't even mention it. It's working well in the East apparently, so there's no reason why it won't when it launches here. You do not in fact need 3 playable races for a successful RvR game as Aion has showed.

Second, you have an issue with Rifting. You can get to max level without setting foot in the Abyss and level in the PvE areas. Granted some of these have rifts, however you can know when the opposing race enters through them. This feature is actually one of the most coveted, and IMO it's 1 better than DAoC.

It can be changed extremely easily, NCsoft could remove Rifting altogether, but it's obvious the overwhelming majority of Aion players (a lot of which are PvE-minded) actually like the idea. It's one of the coolest features in the game and nobody wants it removed.

 

Like it or not, Aion has a LOT of DAoC influences. It's much more of a DAoC 2 than WAR will ever be. It's also got a lot of WoW influences, and the art style is sooo L2. It's got FFXI-style cut scenes as well.

So yea, don't feel insulted when anybody compares Aion to DAoC, as its PvP system was basically built on DAoC's. You should actually be happy that a quality PvP(vE) game is on the horizon.

 

Comparing Darkfall to EvE is an insult. Aion to DAoC isn't.

 

 

Will everyone stop using the idea that if it's working well in the east, it can work here.  Those guys played Knight Online in excess...have you ever played that???  Then you know what I mean.   Their taste is 100% different than the usual taste on the western hemisphere.

What you said is irrelevant. Read properly please.

I never said Aion as a whole will be a success over here. I only pointed out that as far as the Balaur are concerned, it's going pretty well and the race balancing isn't an issue in the East. Why on earth would this kind of mechanic NOT work in the West?? It has NOTHING to do with the population or its tastes.

It's a game play mechanic that is working well in Korea and China, and there's absolutely NO reason for it not to work in the West.

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by chaod1984

Originally posted by Electriceye

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by bleyzwun

Originally posted by chaod1984

3.  The game is built for PVP...maybe that flies in the Eastern part of the world, but it will NEVER fly over in the Western hemisphere.  Of course you'll have those that will contest this all day til they are blue in the face, but tell me what game geared toward a more PVP end-game has lived to tell the story?  PVP is like a great co-star in a movie(think Jay and Silent Bob or something similar), they are great to have in a movie, but when making a movie about them, you get a little more than anyone can handle, causing a bad reaction.  This is PVP.  It is a snack, not a full course meal.

I could probably think of some more things, but dont want to get the natives too angry....this game will not do well...period.

 

I never played DAoC, but from what I understand that game is a PvP game. People are still playing it, so I guess it's living to tell the story.

Oh, and Jay & Silent Bob are the shit!  Their movie wasn't incredible, but I thought it was pretty damn funny.  Then again, I like many things most people don't like. 

Please stop comparing Aion to DAOC. They only have the fact that it is an RVR based system in place in game. Other than that they are night and day apart.

First, the biggest issue, is that Aion does not have a playable 3rd race to balance the other two sides. Two sided PVP games ultimately fail due to end-game balance issues. Servers becomes havens for "this" side or "that" side. Once this happens, balance becomes an issue and people either leave of have to re-roll on a new server to find competitive PVP. However, due to the linear aspect of Aion and claustrophobic feel of the zones, I think many will not want to re-roll that often.

Second, and the other big difference, is DAOC allowed you to level and PVE with NO FEAR and NO CHANCE of pvp'ing when you didn't want too. The player chose to PVP in DAOC and had to physically and knowingly go and choose to do it. In Aion, PVP comes to the player even if the player doesn't want to PVP.

People like to say there are only two groups of PVP'ers, hardcore and the so called "carebears" that avoid PVP at all costs, However, there is a 3rd group and it is quite large. They are the middle-of-the-road PVP'ers who enjoy it but enjoy it on their terms. They will PVP but they want to knowingly choose to do it. At the same time, when they don't want to PVP, they will avoid it totally.

 

DAOC offered this. Aion does not. This will be a major issue that will hurt Aion with the middle ground PVP'ers who will ultimately gravitate towards a game  that offers the solace of PVE with the CHOICE of PVP.

 

Aion has 2 playable races and a third NPC one that balances everything out. Do you know whether this works in practice or not? nope. The main REASON for the Balaur race's existance is to balance the 2 sides, strange how you don't even mention it. It's working well in the East apparently, so there's no reason why it won't when it launches here. You do not in fact need 3 playable races for a successful RvR game as Aion has showed.

Second, you have an issue with Rifting. You can get to max level without setting foot in the Abyss and level in the PvE areas. Granted some of these have rifts, however you can know when the opposing race enters through them. This feature is actually one of the most coveted, and IMO it's 1 better than DAoC.

It can be changed extremely easily, NCsoft could remove Rifting altogether, but it's obvious the overwhelming majority of Aion players (a lot of which are PvE-minded) actually like the idea. It's one of the coolest features in the game and nobody wants it removed.

 

Like it or not, Aion has a LOT of DAoC influences. It's much more of a DAoC 2 than WAR will ever be. It's also got a lot of WoW influences, and the art style is sooo L2. It's got FFXI-style cut scenes as well.

So yea, don't feel insulted when anybody compares Aion to DAoC, as its PvP system was basically built on DAoC's. You should actually be happy that a quality PvP(vE) game is on the horizon.

 

Comparing Darkfall to EvE is an insult. Aion to DAoC isn't.

 

 

Will everyone stop using the idea that if it's working well in the east, it can work here.  Those guys played Knight Online in excess...have you ever played that???  Then you know what I mean.   Their taste is 100% different than the usual taste on the western hemisphere.

What you said is irrelevant. Read properly please.

I never said Aion as a whole will be a success over here. I only pointed out that as far as the Balaur are concerned, it's going pretty well and the race balancing isn't an issue in the East. Why on earth would this kind of mechanic NOT work in the West?? It has NOTHING to do with the population or its tastes.

It's a game play mechanic that is working well in Korea and China, and there's absolutely NO reason for it not to work in the West.

Because your assertion that the mechanic works only can go so far as to imply the situation as it stands is acceptable to the players of the game and does nothing to actually say the game itself is truly balanced. Point to be made is there the largest portion of games, and for that matter the only ones i know are played in abundance in the east, are all two faction to begin with.

When one is accustomed to the balance issues spawned from a two faction system, one cannot assume the acceptance of a 'new' mechanic in an otherwise same system actually changes circumstance versus it being accepted and rolled with as 'business as usual'.

In other words, that entire demographic is a void data point.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by The_Pathos

All MMOs are fun when they are first out. Give me a REAL reason.

 

That is a real reason and no not all are fun at release. VG wasnt nor was WAR really. Lets not forget the awesome pile of dung that was EQ2 out of the gate. So no not all are fun when they first come out. You came here to troll and have zero intention of playing the game as people  make up their own minds and dont need internet forums to do it for them

 

Secondly your comment/discussion shows extreme bias,since BOTH EQ2 nd VG were extremely fun out of the gate.To further show why your comments are bised and hold no accuracy whatsoever,BOTH those games do EVERYTHING Aion does out of the gate AND MORE.So how can you say two games that offfer every bit the same content plus more were not fun yet AIon is? lmao please keep the BS out.There are quite a few people in MMORPG that have played a lot of games,so don't try to pull off false info.

The latter is EXACTLY what we saw from WOW fanbois from day 1.Almost EVERY single post said the game was "fun" <<can't be more vague than that?and number two they would quickly elude to subscriptions numbers.Neither point means squat to an outsider that may be thinking about playing a game.

So how about offer up some realistic NON biased comments about the game.I know i saw one poster was FAIR when said the graphics were good,because i know some like to think they are top notch,they are far from it.I agree the engine/game COULD handle large scale battles,just because the graphics are so low end.

Your kidding right? VG was a mess. Thats why 200k bought it and it was 50k 3 months later it was so fun. EQ2 never fully recovered from its failed launch so either you played neither or your just trying to argue for the sake of it. You have zero clue zero

It's nice to know there are authorities out there that can define for the rest of us (because, I guess, some of us are unable to determine this for ourselves) what is fun and what isn't. What a relief! When WoW came out along side EQ2, I personally played more EQ2... and it is still the game I play. I had no idea I wasn't having fun though. Oh... and then when Vanguard came out I played that for quite a while (yes... through all the issues it was having). Again... thought I was having fun. And then there was Warhammer. Wait a minute! I DID have fun! You know what? I think you're wrong. Not only that, but I think a LOT of people had fun, are having fun, and will continue to have fun in those games. Just because a game does not have the same number of subs that WoW has, does not mean the game isn't fun. I'm fine with you saying YOU didn't find them fun... that's cool. All games aren't for everbody. But... as for the rest of that crap your tried to sell us. Save it for someone who cares.
 

Originally posted by turkwhip

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by The_Pathos

It's nice to know there are authorities out there that can define for the rest of us (because, I guess, some of us are unable to determine this for ourselves) what is fun and what isn't. What a relief! When WoW came out along side EQ2, I personally played more EQ2... and it is still the game I play. I had no idea I wasn't having fun though. Oh... and then when Vanguard came out I played that for quite a while (yes... through all the issues it was having). Again... thought I was having fun. And then there was Warhammer. Wait a minute! I DID have fun! You know what? I think you're wrong. Not only that, but I think a LOT of people had fun, are having fun, and will continue to have fun in those games. Just because a game does not have the same number of subs that WoW has, does not mean the game isn't fun. I'm fine with you saying YOU didn't find them fun... that's cool. All games aren't for everbody. But... as for the rest of that crap your tried to sell us. Save it for someone who cares.
 

Who cares about wow. I hate the game and you brought it up. EQ2 today to what it was at launch are 2 completely different games. VG well its still dung and WAR its so good that Mythics founder was showed the door because people didnt find it interesting enough to continue subs. So ummm yeah and you apparently cared since you yet again replied with a long list of drool

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by turkwhip

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by The_Pathos

It's nice to know there are authorities out there that can define for the rest of us (because, I guess, some of us are unable to determine this for ourselves) what is fun and what isn't. What a relief! When WoW came out along side EQ2, I personally played more EQ2... and it is still the game I play. I had no idea I wasn't having fun though. Oh... and then when Vanguard came out I played that for quite a while (yes... through all the issues it was having). Again... thought I was having fun. And then there was Warhammer. Wait a minute! I DID have fun! You know what? I think you're wrong. Not only that, but I think a LOT of people had fun, are having fun, and will continue to have fun in those games. Just because a game does not have the same number of subs that WoW has, does not mean the game isn't fun. I'm fine with you saying YOU didn't find them fun... that's cool. All games aren't for everbody. But... as for the rest of that crap your tried to sell us. Save it for someone who cares.
 

 

Who cares about wow. I hate the game and you brought it up. EQ2 today to what it was at launch are 2 completely different games. VG well its still dung and WAR its so good that Mythics founder was showed the door because people didnt find it interesting enough to continue subs. So ummm yeah and you apparently cared since you yet again replied with a long list of drool

If Aion is as successful as EQ2 has been i will be surprised. It will settle in somewhere between AOC and LOTRO numbers. It will take a few WOW subs as most are ready for a chang but a high percetage of them will return to WOW just as happened to AOC and Warhammer.  As for Warhammer, im having fun (at least i think i am im no longer sure after reading this stuff) and the server i play on is well populated so it has enough numbers for me. Remember you heard it here first Aion is the next game to support 3-600,000 subs after the honeymoon is over.

Originally posted by chaod1984

I hope I dont sound like much of a troll here, because I had really high hopes for Aion.  I wanted it to be a great game, but I dont think it did that.  It got some of the best graphics, fairly typical questing system(a good thing) and the flight can be exciting, but after that their are too many things I dont like:

1.  Combat is NOT exciting.  Im sorry, but for all those that think otherwise, I'd really like a valid explanation.  It takes wayyy too long to kill one mob.  The chain features seem to have forced the combat into a stale and generic repetion of 1 cycle.  Of course their are some skills that are only active(for a short time) when you do certain things, but they happen once, maybe twice during a fight and since the fights are so long, it diminishes the excitement and randomness of these skills.  With all this, the combat is not fast paced or even that great looking since, in between each skill used, you'll sit for another 10 seconds watching your char laboriously swing at the enemy with the same animation until the next skill is ready....rinse and repeat.

I agree that combat lasts a good while both in pve and pvp, THAT was by design, it is a matter of personal choice, if you want twitch based combat, based on a couple of uber skills ending in 2-5 seconds go play WoW. The reason the combat has been balanced to take extensive amount of time in Aion IS to give you Tactical options, so that you DONT just bash one button, but have time to try different things out, see what works and what doesn't. Meaning you have to THINK of what you are going to do next based on information you are getting over a couple of minutes. Of course I have played quick twitch based mmos (not just wow), in that sense alone its similar to an fps. And I enjoyed some of them, but i have never felt so satisfied with a fight as much as when i managed to win my first 6 minute duel in Aion. A LOT of things can  change against you in that time period and back the other way if your smart about what you are doing. And here's the brilliant part of Aion - GUESS WHAT - IT GIVES YOU THE OPTION to have twitch based fights which is cleverly hidden in the mechanics, YOU havnt discovered it yet, and by the sounds of it you havnt played past 10-20 starting areas. Hence the whole discovery thing became an issue to you.

 

2.  The world of Aion is VERY claustrophobic.  The areas seem very determined to set you on a straight path and even if you do go to explore, you won't find anything notable.  Exploration is key to any MMORPG and this game completely lacks it. 

Yes it is at the beginning areas, because NEW guys and girls joining the game not knowing what the hell is happening or going on or where to go and what to do need to be DIRECTED in the right way. Just to start out. You will notice a trend of Areas getting larger and opening up more the further you go along. Ending in the Abyss which is one huge open area. But it doesn't sound like you made that far, or ever will, a pity cause you are missing out on very nicely built, beautiful, vast areas to explore.

3.  The game is built for PVP...maybe that flies in the Eastern part of the world, but it will NEVER fly over in the Western hemisphere.  Of course you'll have those that will contest this all day til they are blue in the face, but tell me what game geared toward a more PVP end-game has lived to tell the story?  PVP is like a great co-star in a movie(think Jay and Silent Bob or something similar), they are great to have in a movie, but when making a movie about them, you get a little more than anyone can handle, causing a bad reaction.  This is PVP.  It is a snack, not a full course meal.

maybe that flies in the Eastern part of the world, but it will NEVER fly over in the Western hemisphere

I really hate hurting your opinions, but in this case, it seems you are a bit misinformed on the history of this game and the executive decisions made about it's production, values, and goals. If you are still reading instead of rage-quitting and are willing to learn then let me explain. When Lineage 2 first came out (I know but you'll see where Im going) in Korea, made by an originally Korean company Plaync/ncsoft. It was built for the Hardcore PVP/Insane grindfest mindset of Korean gamers of 200X. In 2003 Ncsoft US subsidiary decided to release the game translated for the US/EU subscribers. There was quite a following of dedicated gamers that came from Lineage1, and soon a HUUGE influx of people started rolling in. People embraced the idea of open world PVP like it was the next best thing. Just for your information wow has NEVER been the biggest subscriber MMO in the world, no matter how much false advertising they like to do.  The ones that had their subscribers in the 15-20mil category in the last 10 years, never had to advertise it for obvious reasons. So that brings me to AION having similar roots (Korean, being released by NCsoft for US market) which, from ground up, was moulded for the WESTERN market. The leveling curve has been changed to fall in line with other western mmos, the world was built so people had some sort of safe place from pvp. I wona see you squirm as you try and level in Lineage 2 anywhere :P. This game gives you best of both - the CAREBEAR AND PVP worlds, DIFFERENCE is it GREYS OUT the area in between them by providing the Abyss, where its both RAIDS AND PVP in one.

I could probably think of some more things, but dont want to get the natives too angry....this game will not do well...period.

As for this comment, fair enough you have your opinions, we have ours, but do not be a naysayer before the game is even released. How can you say it wont do well, if there is a huuge number of people following this game already, dying for it, dying to play just a little bit more, and most of them have played the BETA, the freaking BETA for crying out loud and say it is the MOST polished game BEFORE the realease EVER, not even wow could top that at release, i still remember testing wow - its like a bad taste in my mouth that wont go away.

In all fairness people are entitled to love, hate, or have mixed feelings about this or any other game. What gets me the most is when people post utterly baseless, silly comments like it WONT do well, full stop, there is no but. imo its the next best thing, ive fallen for the game hard, yes, but, you gotta realise that factually with the amount or preorders and subscriptons this game is ALREADY getting, it wont fail. I can tell you this much - If every single person left the game, I will be the last subscriber, and I havnt seen people be excited about wow nearly as much for a couple of years now. most wow mates that i know are sick and tired of same shit everyday, of pleying with same assholes in shitty guilds, and good ones far and between. THEY say (my diehard WOW player friends) that they are bored out of their minds every time they log into the game these days. TWO of them (these are personal friends) have preordered AION so they could try it out in beta. And they love it, in all the world for a long time they never thought they would find a game better than wow. But wows time is up, people are simply tired of it, its old, let it go. 

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by turkwhip

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by The_Pathos

It's nice to know there are authorities out there that can define for the rest of us (because, I guess, some of us are unable to determine this for ourselves) what is fun and what isn't. What a relief! When WoW came out along side EQ2, I personally played more EQ2... and it is still the game I play. I had no idea I wasn't having fun though. Oh... and then when Vanguard came out I played that for quite a while (yes... through all the issues it was having). Again... thought I was having fun. And then there was Warhammer. Wait a minute! I DID have fun! You know what? I think you're wrong. Not only that, but I think a LOT of people had fun, are having fun, and will continue to have fun in those games. Just because a game does not have the same number of subs that WoW has, does not mean the game isn't fun. I'm fine with you saying YOU didn't find them fun... that's cool. All games aren't for everbody. But... as for the rest of that crap your tried to sell us. Save it for someone who cares.
 

 

Who cares about wow. I hate the game and you brought it up. EQ2 today to what it was at launch are 2 completely different games. VG well its still dung and WAR its so good that Mythics founder was showed the door because people didnt find it interesting enough to continue subs. So ummm yeah and you apparently cared since you yet again replied with a long list of drool

If Aion is as successful as EQ2 has been i will be surprised. It will settle in somewhere between AOC and LOTRO numbers. It will take a few WOW subs as most are ready for a chang but a high percetage of them will return to WOW just as happened to AOC and Warhammer.  As for Warhammer, im having fun (at least i think i am im no longer sure after reading this stuff) and the server i play on is well populated so it has enough numbers for me. Remember you heard it here first Aion is the next game to support 3-600,000 subs after the honeymoon is over.

I agree with you on the sub numbers. I think it will park itself around 500k after the honeymoon months and will take a hit from TOR when it comes out as I am sure most games will feel  its initial effects. 500k for NA would be in essence a success for NCSoft I am sure in their minds. I am a fan of this game but not delusional or have visions of grandeur. AOC and WAR bleed subs for a different reason than just people going back to WOW. I dont think Aion will hole the WOW crowd either to be honest and part of me is hoping it doesnt.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

The Asian infuence makes the game "feel" different and the art is very nice. But i doubt these things in and of themselves will be enough to make this game a WOW killing blockbuster. I think it will do very well at launch but when the "newness" wears off i look for sub numbers to fall somewhere in the area of Warhammer, AOC or LOTRO. Im speaking of numbers i feel the game will maintain in NA.

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but the NEWNESS as you describe it in WOW wore off a LONG time ago, not even the expansions for which they CHARGE additional money add so much to the gameplay itself anymore, heaps of wow players are retiring in large numbers because they are bored and tired of it. I DARE you to go to AION FACEBOOK page, 80% of the fans there ARE FROM WOW, well go figure huh. Just cause the captian is holding on to a sinking ship, won't make it sink any slower.

Woops a bit of Grandeur there huh lol. Well thats what I would like to say but in all honesty there aren't many wow players I would tolerate playing the game I enjoy, wayy to many kiddies, etc etc. so if only the mature players come over from wow to aion i'll be a happy chappy. the more of those the merrier. i suppose having such large number of subscribers means there are a lot of people from different backgrounds, and the only problem i find so far is hardcore wow fans coming to other games forums (new or not) and bashing the games, or trying to compare or whatever other reasons they have. to all those WOW/OTHER hardcore game fans that come here.. ENOUGH already, there is nothing that you say that will change our minds about a game we like. STOP coming to other games forums to bash it and concentrate on the game you like. If you are NOT interested in the game whatsoever like people keep saying THEN WHAT the HELL are you doing in these forums in the first place. If you ARE intersted, then just SAY so dont sway about in the wind. you like this but you dont like this blah blah blah. bloody whiners, just make up your mind. Are you men or not? Stand firm, make your points clear. make a decision and stand by it. If your decision is to play wow then GO and play wow, leave these forums and never look back. If you like Aion then stop being so indecisive and whiny and just like it for what the game offers.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by turkwhip

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by The_Pathos

It's nice to know there are authorities out there that can define for the rest of us (because, I guess, some of us are unable to determine this for ourselves) what is fun and what isn't. What a relief! When WoW came out along side EQ2, I personally played more EQ2... and it is still the game I play. I had no idea I wasn't having fun though. Oh... and then when Vanguard came out I played that for quite a while (yes... through all the issues it was having). Again... thought I was having fun. And then there was Warhammer. Wait a minute! I DID have fun! You know what? I think you're wrong. Not only that, but I think a LOT of people had fun, are having fun, and will continue to have fun in those games. Just because a game does not have the same number of subs that WoW has, does not mean the game isn't fun. I'm fine with you saying YOU didn't find them fun... that's cool. All games aren't for everbody. But... as for the rest of that crap your tried to sell us. Save it for someone who cares.
 

 

Who cares about wow. I hate the game and you brought it up. EQ2 today to what it was at launch are 2 completely different games. VG well its still dung and WAR its so good that Mythics founder was showed the door because people didnt find it interesting enough to continue subs. So ummm yeah and you apparently cared since you yet again replied with a long list of drool

I brought WoW up to make a point. Did you actually read what I wrote to come up with your clever response or did you just see the reference to WoW and knee jerk your foot-to-mouth? What I am saying is that a game is not something ('fun' or 'not fun') because you say so. You can come up with all the anecdotes you wish to try to prove your point, but it is ultimately it's pointless. EQ2, Vanguard and Warhammer were fun to play at launch (and still are) for a fair number of people. Nothing you can say will change that.

I mean... what's next? Are you going to try and prove it was not fun by saying your dad is tougher than my dad? Gimme a break and grow up.

I agree with the poster above.

To those complaining: Just because you think a game is boring doesn't make a game boring end of story. If you can't understand that there are people who will enjoy it regardless then well... you're beyond help.

Originally posted by The_Pathos

All MMOs are fun when they are first out. Give me a REAL reason.

Google Aion, Lots of good info. Should help out alot.

First off, let me start by saying I do not know that Aion will "succeed" in the West.  I certainly hope it does, but I'm not jumping the gun and hailing it as the next big thing after a couple of weekends of gameplay.

That said....

I think Aion will *initially* succeed because of the flying mechanic.  I think everybody will want to try it out.  I think they'll probably sell 2-3 million copies initially, many/most of whom will stick around just for the 30-day trial period, and most of those will be drawn in by the flying.  I mean really, who doesn't want to have their own wings???

In the long run, on a larger scale, *IF* Aion succeeds I think it will be because the gameplay is a logical evolution from WoW, adding a few things to the mix, and turning up the graphics bells & whistles while not straying too far from the successful premise that makes mmo's work.  Think of WoW as Pac-Man and Aion as Donkey Kong -- really not that different, but the latter was an evolutionary step from the former.

I also think what will make or break Aion will be whether they can provide a quality pvp experience while at the same time keeping up the level of PvE content necessary to drive the pvp without it devolving into a schoolyard.  Lotro & WoW both succeed magnificently at the PvE aspect, neither is particularly strong on pvp.  If Aion can do both, it will WIN.

And to a lesser extent, it is beautifully rendered and performs magnificently.  That may seem like an "afterthought", but in reality nothing can kill a game faster than poor game client or server performance. 

It's not like the flying mechanic is new. City of Heroes has had it for years.

I am hoping the endgame pvp content is similar to daoc like I keep hearing it is.  After playing WaR I'll just be happy with a bug free game that runs smooth.

I do like the style of graphics and that alone will probably bring people to see what the game is about.

Originally posted by The_Pathos

All MMOs are fun when they are first out. Give me a REAL reason.

Cryptic did it, thats why.   Who knows,  so far the mechanics and graphics are solid.  I will be a little dissapointed if leveling system is not similar to COH/V (skills and enhancments for those skills alternating each level), but thats just me.  To really explain why would blow the NDA so sorry I wish I could.  In Fact I just had to go up and re-edit this post to not disclose whats in game already.  Sorry.

Originally posted by Shreddi

Originally posted by The_Pathos

All MMOs are fun when they are first out. Give me a REAL reason.

 

Cryptic did it, thats why.   Who knows,  so far the mechanics and graphics are solid.  I will be a little dissapointed if leveling system is not similar to COH/V (skills and enhancments for those skills alternating each level), but thats just me.  To really explain why would blow the NDA so sorry I wish I could.  In Fact I just had to go up and re-edit this post to not disclose whats in game already.  Sorry.

valid points, about the nda though, thing is that a lot of information has already been leaked by dedicated people who spent their time paying on asian servers to top levels, but i agree with a couple of things there, and this is a specifically my personal opinion im not putting words in other peoples mouths, i played some of the beta, all it boils down to, google on the info you are not sure about, try the game when it comes out (none of this halfarsed try) properly, get at least past level 10 and to the main city, and if you have a bit more time and desire try to get to the first pvp content, and simply make up your own mind about it there and then if its worth your time or not. simple, although this approach does require a bit of money investment: like with anything you take a risk for you money investment you will either like it or not. If you are truly willing to find out if the game is for the only true way to do that is to spend a bit of time in the actual game world experiencing what is on offer and then making an informed decision for yourself, no point on posting it anywhere, no point in sharing with anyone, no point in trolling or crying or whining. Simply pay, jump in the game when you can, decide, if you stay, for whatever reason, we welcome you. If you leave for whatever reason, then move on and dont dwell on it and thank you for trying  the game we personally like, we wish it provided more to you than it did.

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Originally posted by turkwhip

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by turkwhip

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by parrotpholk

Originally posted by The_Pathos

 

I brought WoW up to make a point. Did you actually read what I wrote to come up with your clever response or did you just see the reference to WoW and knee jerk your foot-to-mouth? What I am saying is that a game is not something ('fun' or 'not fun') because you say so. You can come up with all the anecdotes you wish to try to prove your point, but it is ultimately it's pointless. EQ2, Vanguard and Warhammer were fun to play at launch (and still are) for a fair number of people. Nothing you can say will change that.

I mean... what's next? Are you going to try and prove it was not fun by saying your dad is tougher than my dad? Gimme a break and grow up.

The point is this. You say because it is fun to someone isnt a reason. You came here looking to troll and you accomplished that. If you need to be convinced by people in this cesspool then you wasnt very interested in the game to begin with. So to the person that responded initially the game being fun was a perfectly valid response. Why else would one play a game other than they think it makes their dick bigger.

Originally posted by lestus

Originally posted by grandpagamer

The Asian infuence makes the game "feel" different and the art is very nice. But i doubt these things in and of themselves will be enough to make this game a WOW killing blockbuster. I think it will do very well at launch but when the "newness" wears off i look for sub numbers to fall somewhere in the area of Warhammer, AOC or LOTRO. Im speaking of numbers i feel the game will maintain in NA.

 

Im sorry to burst your bubble, but the NEWNESS as you describe it in WOW wore off a LONG time ago, not even the expansions for which they CHARGE additional money add so much to the gameplay itself anymore, heaps of wow players are retiring in large numbers because they are bored and tired of it. I DARE you to go to AION FACEBOOK page, 80% of the fans there ARE FROM WOW, well go figure huh. Just cause the captian is holding on to a sinking ship, won't make it sink any slower.

Woops a bit of Grandeur there huh lol. Well thats what I would like to say but in all honesty there aren't many wow players I would tolerate playing the game I enjoy, wayy to many kiddies, etc etc. so if only the mature players come over from wow to aion i'll be a happy chappy. the more of those the merrier. i suppose having such large number of subscribers means there are a lot of people from different backgrounds, and the only problem i find so far is hardcore wow fans coming to other games forums (new or not) and bashing the games, or trying to compare or whatever other reasons they have. to all those WOW/OTHER hardcore game fans that come here.. ENOUGH already, there is nothing that you say that will change our minds about a game we like. STOP coming to other games forums to bash it and concentrate on the game you like. If you are NOT interested in the game whatsoever like people keep saying THEN WHAT the HELL are you doing in these forums in the first place. If you ARE intersted, then just SAY so dont sway about in the wind. you like this but you dont like this blah blah blah. bloody whiners, just make up your mind. Are you men or not? Stand firm, make your points clear. make a decision and stand by it. If your decision is to play wow then GO and play wow, leave these forums and never look back. If you like Aion then stop being so indecisive and whiny and just like it for what the game offers.

You just cant comprehend anything that doesnt stroke the Aion gland can you? I didnt say WOW was new and since you brought it up WOW isnt new but continues to hold more subs after 5 yrs than Aion will have in its biggest month which will be september perhaps november. Aion is new, at least in NA and it will have big sales and everyone will have wet panties for the first month or three then it will begin to lose subs due to one reason or another ,which you will not see being blinded as your are by the game, and be just another MMO of many. I do not have a WOW sub but i have played WOW but that isnt an issue for those that are madly in love with Aion and blind to any problems there love object may have, in fact if anyone sees anything that is less than perfect with Aion they have to be a WOW fan boy because the rest of the world is madly in love with it as well or so you believe in your euphoric state. Get a grip fanboi and prepare for you,r perfect love object, to be removed from its pedistal, i would guess sometime around the first of the year. Its no WOW killer its just another MMO, one of many and when you get past the Asian artstyle and the wings, its really nothing special or any different than what has gone before.

Originally posted by chaod1984

I hope I dont sound like much of a troll here, because I had really high hopes for Aion.  I wanted it to be a great game, but I dont think it did that.  It got some of the best graphics, fairly typical questing system(a good thing) and the flight can be exciting, but after that their are too many things I dont like:

1.  Combat is NOT exciting.  Im sorry, but for all those that think otherwise, I'd really like a valid explanation.  It takes wayyy too long to kill one mob.  The chain features seem to have forced the combat into a stale and generic repetion of 1 cycle.  Of course their are some skills that are only active(for a short time) when you do certain things, but they happen once, maybe twice during a fight and since the fights are so long, it diminishes the excitement and randomness of these skills.  With all this, the combat is not fast paced or even that great looking since, in between each skill used, you'll sit for another 10 seconds watching your char laboriously swing at the enemy with the same animation until the next skill is ready....rinse and repeat.

2.  The world of Aion is VERY claustrophobic.  The areas seem very determined to set you on a straight path and even if you do go to explore, you won't find anything notable.  Exploration is key to any MMORPG and this game completely lacks it. 

3.  The game is built for PVP...maybe that flies in the Eastern part of the world, but it will NEVER fly over in the Western hemisphere.  Of course you'll have those that will contest this all day til they are blue in the face, but tell me what game geared toward a more PVP end-game has lived to tell the story?  PVP is like a great co-star in a movie(think Jay and Silent Bob or something similar), they are great to have in a movie, but when making a movie about them, you get a little more than anyone can handle, causing a bad reaction.  This is PVP.  It is a snack, not a full course meal.

I could probably think of some more things, but dont want to get the natives too angry....this game will not do well...period.

I haven't played the Beta yet, but I like what I've seen so far...in movies...Anyways I just wanted to say that I really only enjoy PvP nowadays as the PvE in WoW and everything else is the same shiza, different color. However people are always different and somewhat unpredictable, so killing them is a challenge and fun for me >.< However I'm an anime type (so I really like the style of Aion) and a heartless bastard who plays FPS games in my spare time, so I might just be a nice fan boi :P

*now to the OP*

Other than that it brings about a new world that isn't previously used, and an awesome char creation screen that is more customizable than the sims, or so I hear. And that kicks wow in the nuts imo.......after being the twin of every NE out there.....oh and the chars aren't so disproportianate I hear......like in WoW.......with hands the size of their face and club feet and what not ^.^ Also Crytek Engine eats WoW for breakfast......eats any old MMO for breakfast....

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by SwitchMe

Originally posted by chaod1984

I hope I dont sound like much of a troll here, because I had really high hopes for Aion.  I wanted it to be a great game, but I dont think it did that.  It got some of the best graphics, fairly typical questing system(a good thing) and the flight can be exciting, but after that their are too many things I dont like:

1.  Combat is NOT exciting.  Im sorry, but for all those that think otherwise, I'd really like a valid explanation.  It takes wayyy too long to kill one mob.  The chain features seem to have forced the combat into a stale and generic repetion of 1 cycle.  Of course their are some skills that are only active(for a short time) when you do certain things, but they happen once, maybe twice during a fight and since the fights are so long, it diminishes the excitement and randomness of these skills.  With all this, the combat is not fast paced or even that great looking since, in between each skill used, you'll sit for another 10 seconds watching your char laboriously swing at the enemy with the same animation until the next skill is ready....rinse and repeat.

2.  The world of Aion is VERY claustrophobic.  The areas seem very determined to set you on a straight path and even if you do go to explore, you won't find anything notable.  Exploration is key to any MMORPG and this game completely lacks it. 

3.  The game is built for PVP...maybe that flies in the Eastern part of the world, but it will NEVER fly over in the Western hemisphere.  Of course you'll have those that will contest this all day til they are blue in the face, but tell me what game geared toward a more PVP end-game has lived to tell the story?  PVP is like a great co-star in a movie(think Jay and Silent Bob or something similar), they are great to have in a movie, but when making a movie about them, you get a little more than anyone can handle, causing a bad reaction.  This is PVP.  It is a snack, not a full course meal.

I could probably think of some more things, but dont want to get the natives too angry....this game will not do well...period.

 

I think you're a carebear from WoW

If you and the others who continually flame people who do not believe that Aion is the second coming will be happy with sub numbers of 3-600,000 then you will be fine, but if your expecting your dream come true to have WOW numbers your going to be in for quite a shock. The game is PVP  based which will take grouping and if people think that the loudest fanbois are the core players in this game they arnt going to play. No one wants to play with immature loud mouth childeren. From what ive seen here and on Aionsource the Aion community is going to be filled with self absorbed FTW types that the majority of people will refuse to play with. The best thing you and your type could do for this game would be to keep your mouths shut.

i completely agree with you on the comminity issue.

After

1. reading the numerous loads of  angry and agressive aion fanbois crap telling us(or (the whole world?)  that its the ultimately best innovation since the discovery of sliced bread (maybe they want to tell us that even sliced bread was an invention of the asian gaming industry).

2. expieriencing the  lineage2 "community" (another game by the developper ncsoft), the worst bunch of rubbish talkers 1 had met in any game i played so far.

==> i cannot get to any other conclusion, that this game will have (or has already) the audience it deserves and this will not be a reasonable one. On another forum post someone asked about how and where to roleplay and i answered it depends on the community, with such a cummunity forget about it!

What me suprises is that the whole loads on biased fabois stuff is put over us all repeatingly without end. Do this guys really think that this will make a positive impression about aion and its community?

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2. expieriencing the lineage2 "community" (another game by the developper ncsoft), the worst bunch of rubbish talkers 1 had met in any game i played so far.

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You know most people in Lineage II don't take that shit seriously right? Lighten up a bit.

Originally posted by Nadril

 

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2. expieriencing the lineage2 "community" (another game by the developper ncsoft), the worst bunch of rubbish talkers 1 had met in any game i played so far.

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You know most people in Lineage II don't take that shit seriously right? Lighten up a bit.

i dont care what this "community" does or does not. I state my personal expierience and its my right to do so. i will not abandon uttering what i have "learned" from such games.