Originally posted by Nadril

 

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Originally posted by Nadril

 

 
 

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Originally posted by xpiher
My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

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It's been a while since darkfall released, hasn't it though. There is no reason other then them trying to hide it (and hoping on getting some unexpecting players to buy a half done product) to release a trial now. Most of the games to come out in the past 3 years, after all, released a trial after their game had gone into the crapper.

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By your logic, DFO has never been out of the crapper. DFO still plans on releasing a trial, when the game is ready. I think its the same thing AoC is doing. Yes, until the expansion is fleshed out DFO isn't ready for a free trial yet.

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Well that's my point I'm trying to make. The only way they are going to sell many copies in North America will be to get some unsuspecting people to buy it, and a trial would hurt that effort. AoC has a free trial though last I checked, so I'm not sure what your point with that one is.
 

funny thing is i dont see them trying

I think people should wait for the NA servers to come up and see if they put the full expansion in, or is this just more hype to get people to buy. O and AAA titles let you go to a store put 5 bucks down and get a beta key, if you hate it get your 5 bucks back. when is the expansion coming out ?

Originally posted by -Zeno-

 

I was part of some of the biggest alliance's in-game.  What you have seen is totally opposite that what I have seen.  The only time I saw someone who looked like they were hacking was when I was lagging hard (500ms ping).  People hype that Darkfall is full of holes.  I did see people afk at "blood walls" getting beat on, a couple with a shield that were macro-blocking.  I saw way more people macroing in Shadowbane (I was one who macroed a flying warlock in Shadowbane).  The less  you actualy play your charactor, the less "player skill" you will have.  If your active, you know what your capable of.

Macroing was built into Shadowbane. I was a legitimate part of the game. What you didn't see in Shadowbane was people running or swimming into immovable objects, shooting spells into nowhere, or beating on each other for hours to raise their skills. Why don't you compare things that are meaningfull instead of making up nonsensical arguments to cover the lengths people will go to avoidng the horrendous skill grinds. You could hit max level in Shadowbane in a day and be ready to PvP. How long did it take you to top out your one exactly the same as everyone elses character in Darkfall?

Originally posted by xpiher

My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

 

And don't listen to the idiots who also happen to be fans of DFO. The game takes skill because of a lot of issues, but 1 thing that is broken removes all skill needed from the game. That thing is broken AoE. Some AoE spells go through walls which removes a player's need for actual skill. When that gets fixed, the game will require skill again due to FF, needing to aim, corridnation, stra, etc.

I remember being able to try LoTRO when it released without having to pay for it.
TCoS had a free trial.

DFO has been out for almost five months.  It's past released and going on to almost a half a year of retail. 
It's a little late for, "no game has trails at launch"  The game has already launched.

Aion has been giving out beta keys on a somewhat regular bases for people to experience the game.
Tabula Rasa was another game I was able to try free.

AoC gave out a free trial after it launched, not at launch, but after.  DFO is in that after it launched period now.

Not to mention, Tasos himself said that people wouldn't have to pay for the game to try it.

BTW,
Gold is something like 100k copies isn't it?
DFO didn't even go gold in EU.

Shill?

Well this is crap. Saw the title and thought, "yes, a free trial at last." But no, guess I still wont get to try it.

AV dont need freeloaders now go back to your basement and play your themepark nothing to see here.

Originally posted by Evasia

AV dont want freeloaders because then nobody will buy the game after seeing how it really is.

Fixed!

(That's the impression that I get).

Originally posted by Evasia

AV dont need freeloaders now go back to your basement and play your themepark nothing to see here.

Actually they do. They need to get people into the game to be ganked so it isn't a big empty failed game with nothing to do. Niow go back to your big empty world EU-1 because most of the players have left.

Originally posted by Fariic

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BTW,
Gold is something like 100k copies isn't it?
DFO didn't even go gold in EU.

originally, when a game had "gone gold" it only meant that the "master" CD -- the CD from which all of the shipping CDs are pressed -- had been delivered to the manufacturer and sale of the game was imminent.  (the term is originated from the fact that the "master" CD was usually gold-colored.)  unlike in the music industry, the term has nothing to do with the number of copies sold.

Originally posted by JoeTan

I seriously dont hope that you are that stupid ? Or do you really think you can pass that off as a valid arguement.

Argh im getting insane from reading stupid crap from people that should spend more time learning how to form a sentence and have an argument without being an idiot, and less time in front of a pc.

Stupidity is gonna be the downfall of future generations, people like you are making sure of that.

Either SHUT UP or come up with something that makes sense next time.

Really? That's the response you're going with on this one? I'm going to guess you decided to hit reply after reading the first few posts and did not bother to see how the particular line of thought was further explained or the reference that the original comment was intentionally tongue-in-cheek.

I guess there is some humor value in the fact you accuse others of being stupid while you jump to conclusions with only a portion of the information. At any rate, glad you felt motivated to post and thanks for you 'contribution' to the conversation.

straight from the mouth of his highness:

"Starting on January 22nd there will be a Darkfall trial with the distribution of the release candidate client allowing thousands of players to sample the game for free, help us stress test our servers and test the final features of the game."

It is even a sticky here on MMORPG. So much for the trial. and DF being a triple A title....i am speechless.I guess they "forgot" about the trial because they knew that the game is actually craptastic. Also pay special attention to the term "release candidate client"...AKA going GOLD.

The patch seems to be rather sub-medicore so far with complaints from all sides that PVE for example was tweaked a bit but is faaar away from a massive improvement. Quite poor for 4 months of "listening" to the player base.

LOL is say. Going gold...LOL again..this game went "GOLD" months ago.

And the community is HORRIBLE...if you take 20 players you get one decent guy and 19 top-class idiots declaring themselves "hardcore" because they are able to pack 5 insults into one single sentence.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by miagisan

LFGame » Darkfall goes GOLD (North American launch) July 13th - Try it

 

Sure, can you point me to the trial that was promised? Where can i try it without buying it?

 

Name 1 tripple A title that had a free trial at launch

You're being disingenuous.

The mouth-pieces for other MMOs also didn't talk about their intentions to have a free trial at launch so people could try it before paying any money.

Tasos did, and the rabid fans here (the usual suspects) boasted and touted it as gospel. Of course... it turned out not to be the case, they did their usual 180 and completely changed their perspective, some of which you're seeing in this thread.

Do you *really* want to open that can of worms again? The real facts would not be flattering to the game, or its makers.

And since when is DF a "AAA" game? Hasn't part of the "charm" (for lack of a better term) to the game by so many here been that it's an "indie" game? Calling it a AAA game is another fine example of a well-established term being deliberately misused to help promote DF as something it isn't. Tasos would be proud.

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Orthedos

No; a lot of the great titles open the flood gates before the game goes live.
 

Take LOTRo.  A second stage closed beta was organised for months before open beta.  Everyone who orders a magazine for just 1 month can get a key, as well as people subbing to msg boards.  Practically everyone serious can get a key.  For months people play to maxed level, until character wipe upon open beta.  Everyone who has pre-ordered the game (and practically not yet paying, some paid $5 or $2 depending on your deal) can join the game 15days (I think, can't remember) before live and play without limits in time, up to level 15 I think.  A lot of people already have 4-5 alts at level 15 with collection skills maxed, yes MAXED.

Games like LOTRo has confidence, they know people will actually enjoy the game during the free closed/open beta, and won't cancel the pre-order.  This creates a very lively and warm server when the game actually goes live.  Many games does that too, LOTRo is used only as an example.  Look at Aion.  People are playing in China beta servers (servers, many) for free for weeks before payment begins.  Some games does character wipes, some don't, upon live.

Your argumeent is not entirely correct.  Games do give out some form of free trial.  Many RTS gives out a free trial long before going gold, usually limited to scenario 1 or 2.  All these games are confident selling their product, they have nothing to hide.  Remember the free trial in supermarkets?  Where you can eat to your heart's delight?

DFo won't do that.  They know 99.99999% of trial players will delete the game from harddisk within days.  Those who do not will only play so long as its free, and only because it is free.  They know their game sucks and they have everything to hide.  They are confident about their flop.

During beta of course they open up the floodgates, it is usually referred to as a stress test. Yes games also release try before you buy"s regularly. However, for a studio (AV) to open their free trial along with their official launch (in this case) the U.S. server launch.  Would be an idiotic decision no matter how you look at it, especially this game. As it seems (limited entry) Darkfall has issues in regard to server capacity. Can you imagine the press and forum riot that would commence after?  Adventurine US HQ Exploded! would be the headline on most sites.

They  would be asking for even more bad press generated because the server ate tasos (SP?) for being retarded enough to make such a decision. Developers really are not supposed to make their hardware eat them now are they?

So... since Tasos noted quite emphatically that he intended to allow players to try DF before they payed for the game at launch... you're saying he was/is an idiot?

Well.. no argument here.

Though "shameless liar" seems more fitting to me.

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by xpiher

My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

 

And don't listen to the idiots who also happen to be fans of DFO. The game takes skill because of a lot of issues, but 1 thing that is broken removes all skill needed from the game. That thing is broken AoE. Some AoE spells go through walls which removes a player's need for actual skill. When that gets fixed, the game will require skill again due to FF, needing to aim, corridnation, stra, etc.

BTW,
Gold is something like 100k copies isn't it?
DFO didn't even go gold in EU.

Shill?

I don't think they were referring to sales...

"Going gold" is also a development term... It means the final release candidate has been tested, approved, "cut" and sent off for "mass reproduction". Of course, it pertains to products that ship on CD/DVD... Not sure it pertains to digital downloads... but the underlying meaning is the same.
 

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by miagisan

LFGame » Darkfall goes GOLD (North American launch) July 13th - Try it

 

Sure, can you point me to the trial that was promised? Where can i try it without buying it?

 

Name 1 tripple A title that had a free trial at launch

Actually, as I recall it, DF included the first 30 days of gameplay with the purchase.  Which is much like the majority of other games at purchase.  I don't recall ever seeing a completely 100 percent free trial at launch for any game.  Most just include free gameplay with the purchase of the game. 

Originally posted by -Zeno-

If you look at various forums on the internet, you will see hate for the game, and what you think is a generally bad community.  That is only on the outside.  On the inside, Darkfall has a great close knit community of guilds and alliances.  Everyone works together to show they can survive in such a harsh enviroment. 

Darkfall is not your ordinary "EQ clone" like WoW.  It matchs player skill vs player skill, instead of the auto-target and button smashing most games have today.  Its has a FPS feel, you have to aim to hit someone.  It also has a skill system instead of level system, you swing your sword and hit someone, you become a more powerful swordmaster. 

Incorrect.

Darkfall is a twitched based FPS game....   Auto-targeting games differ in one aspect, you don't aim.  You still have to target and attack and use your skills. though it's more about situational awareness, group play and efficiently processing information and reacting/countering... than is is about aiming at a target and mashing buttons. You can do that for free in Battlefield Heroes.

Darkfall is a twitch based Clan vs Clan arcade game. It's meant for newbies who are just learning about FPS games and wish to find safety in numbers.

I've been playing DF for over a month, and I've only seen a few hackers. It's not as bad as people make it sound, but it's still a legitimate problem.

The grind is also ridiculous and terrible.

There still are many great features, and if you yourself a PvP fan, there is no way you can ignore this game.

It has major problems, but there is no better MMO out there at the moment.

Originally posted by throckmorton

I've been playing DF for over a month, and I've only seen a few hackers. It's not as bad as people make it sound, but it's still a legitimate problem.

The grind is also ridiculous and terrible.

There still are many great features, and if you yourself a PvP fan, there is no way you can ignore this game.

It has major problems, but there is no better MMO out there at the moment.

Quick question:  What "other" FPS games have you played over the years...?

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Orthedos

No; a lot of the great titles open the flood gates before the game goes live.
 

Take LOTRo.  A second stage closed beta was organised for months before open beta.  Everyone who orders a magazine for just 1 month can get a key, as well as people subbing to msg boards.  Practically everyone serious can get a key.  For months people play to maxed level, until character wipe upon open beta.  Everyone who has pre-ordered the game (and practically not yet paying, some paid $5 or $2 depending on your deal) can join the game 15days (I think, can't remember) before live and play without limits in time, up to level 15 I think.  A lot of people already have 4-5 alts at level 15 with collection skills maxed, yes MAXED.

Games like LOTRo has confidence, they know people will actually enjoy the game during the free closed/open beta, and won't cancel the pre-order.  This creates a very lively and warm server when the game actually goes live.  Many games does that too, LOTRo is used only as an example.  Look at Aion.  People are playing in China beta servers (servers, many) for free for weeks before payment begins.  Some games does character wipes, some don't, upon live.

Your argumeent is not entirely correct.  Games do give out some form of free trial.  Many RTS gives out a free trial long before going gold, usually limited to scenario 1 or 2.  All these games are confident selling their product, they have nothing to hide.  Remember the free trial in supermarkets?  Where you can eat to your heart's delight?

DFo won't do that.  They know 99.99999% of trial players will delete the game from harddisk within days.  Those who do not will only play so long as its free, and only because it is free.  They know their game sucks and they have everything to hide.  They are confident about their flop.

During beta of course they open up the floodgates, it is usually referred to as a stress test. Yes games also release try before you buy"s regularly. However, for a studio (AV) to open their free trial along with their official launch (in this case) the U.S. server launch.  Would be an idiotic decision no matter how you look at it, especially this game. As it seems (limited entry) Darkfall has issues in regard to server capacity. Can you imagine the press and forum riot that would commence after?  Adventurine US HQ Exploded! would be the headline on most sites.

They  would be asking for even more bad press generated because the server ate tasos (SP?) for being retarded enough to make such a decision. Developers really are not supposed to make their hardware eat them now are they?

So... since Tasos noted quite emphatically that he intended to allow players to try DF before they payed for the game at launch... you're saying he was/is an idiot?

Well.. no argument here.

Though "shameless liar" seems more fitting to me.

 

After all these chains of fiasco, I can only say this

Tasos is either a chronic liar, or a delusive self who cannot face his own woes and spin.  Or both.

But one thing is for sure, he is a recipe for sure disaster in life, and no way he can be fit to lead a project, let alone a company.  He should never be allow to speak for the company or well simply zip his lips after meals and drinks.

Originally posted by journey01

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by miagisan

LFGame » Darkfall goes GOLD (North American launch) July 13th - Try it

 

Sure, can you point me to the trial that was promised? Where can i try it without buying it?

 

Name 1 tripple A title that had a free trial at launch

 

Actually, as I recall it, DF included the first 30 days of gameplay with the purchase.  Which is much like the majority of other games at purchase.  I don't recall ever seeing a completely 100 percent free trial at launch for any game.  Most just include free gameplay with the purchase of the game. 

I think there are enough reply above you already refuting this statement.  Either you don't read or you don't understand.