Originally posted by mklinic

Originally posted by xpiher

Name 1 tripple A title that had a free trial at launch

 

Didn't someone just get done telling us how this game wasn't like any of those other titles? But on this it's ok to be the same? pick and choose, pick and choose I guess....

Uhmm you do realize how retarded it would be, for a studio to launch their free trial on launch day right?

I have no interest what so ever in darkfall due to all the horror stories I have read. However opening the floodgates on launch day would be beyond suicide, have these servers even went under any public testing?

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by mklinic

Originally posted by xpiher

Name 1 tripple A title that had a free trial at launch

 

Didn't someone just get done telling us how this game wasn't like any of those other titles? But on this it's ok to be the same? pick and choose, pick and choose I guess....

 

Uhmm you do realize how retarded it would be, for a studio to launch their free trial on launch day right?

I have no interest what so ever in darkfall due to all the horror stories I have read. However opening the floodgates on launch day would be beyond suicide, have these servers even went under any public testing?

DFO is out and people can buy it. First 2 weeks were horrid, but I haven't had to queue since. DFO isn't a bad game, but not everyone likes it. Why not tell us why you think its a bad game?

Originally posted by Mr.Lumps 
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Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by miagisan

LFGame » Darkfall goes GOLD (North American launch) July 13th - Try it

 

Sure, can you point me to the trial that was promised? Where can i try it without buying it?

 

Name 1 tripple A title that had a free trial at launch

Well you decide if it is a AAA company and it was like 6 years ago.

They were considered an Indy company just starting out offered a free trial the day the game was released. They even had cd's in some game magazines.

Care to guess which game?

Whether you guessed or not it was EVE.

Also COS also had basically a free trial when the game launched, you could play up to a certain level for free.

I think it would have been wise for Aventurine to do the same. Now with NA server coming on line they have another chance. If they don't set a free trial soon, I don't think they will get enough subscribers to maintain the server/servers.

The thing is you are trying to defend a game/company that has been proven to lie and deceive at every turn. Now while I still have an interest in the game. I will not try it till I know for certain that things have turned around, or a free trial is given.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by Nadril

 

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Originally posted by xpiher
My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

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It's been a while since darkfall released, hasn't it though. There is no reason other then them trying to hide it (and hoping on getting some unexpecting players to buy a half done product) to release a trial now. Most of the games to come out in the past 3 years, after all, released a trial after their game had gone into the crapper.

 

By your logic, DFO has never been out of the crapper. DFO still plans on releasing a trial, when the game is ready. I think its the same thing AoC is doing. Yes, until the expansion is fleshed out DFO isn't ready for a free trial yet.

First and foremost, I am not talking to Xpiher, I am only referring to his text.  You really cannot talk to people like that and expect to reason.

Look at his spin.  DF is not ready for a "free trial".

Look at the fact, DF is ready for "money grabbing" and is already charging people, overcharging, double charging people.  For months.

Now you know why my opening above.  You can only be amazed by the level of spin.

Originally posted by mklinic

Originally posted by xpiher

My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

 

To be fair, I can't recall any games that came out in the past three years that strongly eluded to there being a "try before you buy" option at launch. This was something that was touted by fans pre-release and quickly, and conveniently, written off as one of those "he didn't actually mean that" things.

While my previous comment was tongue-in-cheek, the underlying point is that fans go to great lengths to distance themselves, and the game, from WoW and other popular games, but when someone questions a feature or idea in DF, the first comments usually fall along the lines of "you can't do that in WoW either noobface!". There is a bit of a contradiction in the message.

There was once a kingdom in the netherlands, in which there is a great candybar named WoW (put in EQ, EvE anything you want).  Every good citizen is given a free bar by the king.

A few dissidents feel that they need to stand out, so they threw away the candy bar and go collect pebbles in the beach.  They make it public that they hate the super candybar, and they go find their own candies.

They chew the pebbles and crushed their own teeth.  With blood in the mouth they hail "pebbles are no WoW candies, they rock" (choking).  When people point out that they spill blood as they ramble, they say "hey you can't cut your own mouth chewing WoW candy".

What is the rationale of this bed side story?  Sour loser can go a long way.

Originally posted by Mr.Lumps

Darkfall is the best pvp mmo i've played since Ultima Online. The skill cap in this game is the highest i've ever seen. . A lot of people won't like this game simply because they suck at competitive games, if you suck however you can always roll around with a gank squad when you go out. For me, its all about winning the 1v2, 1v3, and 1v4 battles and besting them, not with superior abilities(Every other pvp mmorpg), but with superior playerskill.

Lots of people who aren't good at games will hate on this game. It takes more player skill than any other i've played.

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The coat I am wearing is the best on earth.  A lot of people with no good judgement cannot see the great coat I am wearing.  If you dare call my coat invisible, you are without eyes or brains.

So says the emperor, about his new coat.

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by mklinic

Originally posted by xpiher

Name 1 tripple A title that had a free trial at launch

 

Didn't someone just get done telling us how this game wasn't like any of those other titles? But on this it's ok to be the same? pick and choose, pick and choose I guess....

 

Uhmm you do realize how retarded it would be, for a studio to launch their free trial on launch day right?

I have no interest what so ever in darkfall due to all the horror stories I have read. However opening the floodgates on launch day would be beyond suicide, have these servers even went under any public testing?

No; a lot of the great titles open the flood gates before the game goes live.
 

Take LOTRo.  A second stage closed beta was organised for months before open beta.  Everyone who orders a magazine for just 1 month can get a key, as well as people subbing to msg boards.  Practically everyone serious can get a key.  For months people play to maxed level, until character wipe upon open beta.  Everyone who has pre-ordered the game (and practically not yet paying, some paid $5 or $2 depending on your deal) can join the game 15days (I think, can't remember) before live and play without limits in time, up to level 15 I think.  A lot of people already have 4-5 alts at level 15 with collection skills maxed, yes MAXED.

Games like LOTRo has confidence, they know people will actually enjoy the game during the free closed/open beta, and won't cancel the pre-order.  This creates a very lively and warm server when the game actually goes live.  Many games does that too, LOTRo is used only as an example.  Look at Aion.  People are playing in China beta servers (servers, many) for free for weeks before payment begins.  Some games does character wipes, some don't, upon live.

Your argumeent is not entirely correct.  Games do give out some form of free trial.  Many RTS gives out a free trial long before going gold, usually limited to scenario 1 or 2.  All these games are confident selling their product, they have nothing to hide.  Remember the free trial in supermarkets?  Where you can eat to your heart's delight?

DFo won't do that.  They know 99.99999% of trial players will delete the game from harddisk within days.  Those who do not will only play so long as its free, and only because it is free.  They know their game sucks and they have everything to hide.  They are confident about their flop.

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by mklinic

Originally posted by xpiher

Name 1 tripple A title that had a free trial at launch

 

Didn't someone just get done telling us how this game wasn't like any of those other titles? But on this it's ok to be the same? pick and choose, pick and choose I guess....

 

Uhmm you do realize how retarded it would be, for a studio to launch their free trial on launch day right?

I have no interest what so ever in darkfall due to all the horror stories I have read. However opening the floodgates on launch day would be beyond suicide, have these servers even went under any public testing?

Darkfall launched months ago in the EU. So where's the EU trial?

Point of fact, Tasos was the mouthtard who said everyone would get to try before they buy. That ain't never happened. So once again, the Great Tasos is a liar and the fanbots ( not aimed at you ) do their best to avoid that fact.

The European server won't even be back up yet after this abortion of an "expansion", so I'm not sure if they are going to stick with that NA release date.

Originally posted by Orthedos

No; a lot of the great titles open the flood gates before the game goes live.
 

Take LOTRo.  A second stage closed beta was organised for months before open beta.  Everyone who orders a magazine for just 1 month can get a key, as well as people subbing to msg boards.  Practically everyone serious can get a key.  For months people play to maxed level, until character wipe upon open beta.  Everyone who has pre-ordered the game (and practically not yet paying, some paid $5 or $2 depending on your deal) can join the game 15days (I think, can't remember) before live and play without limits in time, up to level 15 I think.  A lot of people already have 4-5 alts at level 15 with collection skills maxed, yes MAXED.

Games like LOTRo has confidence, they know people will actually enjoy the game during the free closed/open beta, and won't cancel the pre-order.  This creates a very lively and warm server when the game actually goes live.  Many games does that too, LOTRo is used only as an example.  Look at Aion.  People are playing in China beta servers (servers, many) for free for weeks before payment begins.  Some games does character wipes, some don't, upon live.

Your argumeent is not entirely correct.  Games do give out some form of free trial.  Many RTS gives out a free trial long before going gold, usually limited to scenario 1 or 2.  All these games are confident selling their product, they have nothing to hide.  Remember the free trial in supermarkets?  Where you can eat to your heart's delight?

DFo won't do that.  They know 99.99999% of trial players will delete the game from harddisk within days.  Those who do not will only play so long as its free, and only because it is free.  They know their game sucks and they have everything to hide.  They are confident about their flop.

During beta of course they open up the floodgates, it is usually referred to as a stress test. Yes games also release try before you buy"s regularly. However, for a studio (AV) to open their free trial along with their official launch (in this case) the U.S. server launch.  Would be an idiotic decision no matter how you look at it, especially this game. As it seems (limited entry) Darkfall has issues in regard to server capacity. Can you imagine the press and forum riot that would commence after?  Adventurine US HQ Exploded! would be the headline on most sites.

They  would be asking for even more bad press generated because the server ate tasos (SP?) for being retarded enough to make such a decision. Developers really are not supposed to make their hardware eat them now are they?

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by Orthedos

No; a lot of the great titles open the flood gates before the game goes live.
 

Take LOTRo.  A second stage closed beta was organised for months before open beta.  Everyone who orders a magazine for just 1 month can get a key, as well as people subbing to msg boards.  Practically everyone serious can get a key.  For months people play to maxed level, until character wipe upon open beta.  Everyone who has pre-ordered the game (and practically not yet paying, some paid $5 or $2 depending on your deal) can join the game 15days (I think, can't remember) before live and play without limits in time, up to level 15 I think.  A lot of people already have 4-5 alts at level 15 with collection skills maxed, yes MAXED.

Games like LOTRo has confidence, they know people will actually enjoy the game during the free closed/open beta, and won't cancel the pre-order.  This creates a very lively and warm server when the game actually goes live.  Many games does that too, LOTRo is used only as an example.  Look at Aion.  People are playing in China beta servers (servers, many) for free for weeks before payment begins.  Some games does character wipes, some don't, upon live.

Your argumeent is not entirely correct.  Games do give out some form of free trial.  Many RTS gives out a free trial long before going gold, usually limited to scenario 1 or 2.  All these games are confident selling their product, they have nothing to hide.  Remember the free trial in supermarkets?  Where you can eat to your heart's delight?

DFo won't do that.  They know 99.99999% of trial players will delete the game from harddisk within days.  Those who do not will only play so long as its free, and only because it is free.  They know their game sucks and they have everything to hide.  They are confident about their flop.

During beta of course they open up the floodgates, it is usually referred to as a stress test. Yes games also release try before you buy"s regularly. However, for a studio (AV) to open their free trial along with their official launch (in this case) the U.S. server launch.  Would be an idiotic decision no matter how you look at it, especially this game. As it seems (limited entry) Darkfall has issues in regard to server capacity. Can you imagine the press and forum riot that would commence after?  Adventurine US HQ Exploded! would be the headline on most sites.

They  would be asking for even more bad press generated because the server ate tasos (SP?) for being retarded enough to make such a decision. Developers really are not supposed to make their hardware eat them now are they?

I agree with you, and extend that argument.

Tasos raised 10million euros, at least, for this project, in form of a loan.  God know what other money he grabs.  If he is stupid enough not to leave enough money to set up a few servers just to launch a pre-live open beta, he deserve to be court-martialed.

So AV not having enough money left to rent a few servers, is not our fault.  Where did the 10million euros go?  That bugged patch of client side programming codes cost 10million euros?  or their never updated website? or the non existing promotion?  For christ sake, 10million euros, and they cannot afford a pre-live trial?  They don't even print their own boxes or provide enough bandwidth for proper download.  BT downloading is free, god damn it.

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Originally posted by -Zeno-

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Well, I'm sure that i wasn't the only one asking for the threads title to be changes due to its deceptive nature.

< shrug >

 You forgot to post the video where an entire town gets laid to waste by exploits and then someone rides a boat off into the sky...

Originally posted by Nadril

 

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Originally posted by Nadril

 

 
 

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Originally posted by xpiher
My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

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It's been a while since darkfall released, hasn't it though. There is no reason other then them trying to hide it (and hoping on getting some unexpecting players to buy a half done product) to release a trial now. Most of the games to come out in the past 3 years, after all, released a trial after their game had gone into the crapper.

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By your logic, DFO has never been out of the crapper. DFO still plans on releasing a trial, when the game is ready. I think its the same thing AoC is doing. Yes, until the expansion is fleshed out DFO isn't ready for a free trial yet.

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Well that's my point I'm trying to make. The only way they are going to sell many copies in North America will be to get some unsuspecting people to buy it, and a trial would hurt that effort. AoC has a free trial though last I checked, so I'm not sure what your point with that one is.
 

funny thing is i dont see them trying

I think people should wait for the NA servers to come up and see if they put the full expansion in, or is this just more hype to get people to buy. O and AAA titles let you go to a store put 5 bucks down and get a beta key, if you hate it get your 5 bucks back. when is the expansion coming out ?

Originally posted by -Zeno-

 

I was part of some of the biggest alliance's in-game.  What you have seen is totally opposite that what I have seen.  The only time I saw someone who looked like they were hacking was when I was lagging hard (500ms ping).  People hype that Darkfall is full of holes.  I did see people afk at "blood walls" getting beat on, a couple with a shield that were macro-blocking.  I saw way more people macroing in Shadowbane (I was one who macroed a flying warlock in Shadowbane).  The less  you actualy play your charactor, the less "player skill" you will have.  If your active, you know what your capable of.

Macroing was built into Shadowbane. I was a legitimate part of the game. What you didn't see in Shadowbane was people running or swimming into immovable objects, shooting spells into nowhere, or beating on each other for hours to raise their skills. Why don't you compare things that are meaningfull instead of making up nonsensical arguments to cover the lengths people will go to avoidng the horrendous skill grinds. You could hit max level in Shadowbane in a day and be ready to PvP. How long did it take you to top out your one exactly the same as everyone elses character in Darkfall?

Originally posted by xpiher

My point is that there hasn't been any game, that I can think of, that has been released in the last 3years that had a trial come out along with the game.

 

And don't listen to the idiots who also happen to be fans of DFO. The game takes skill because of a lot of issues, but 1 thing that is broken removes all skill needed from the game. That thing is broken AoE. Some AoE spells go through walls which removes a player's need for actual skill. When that gets fixed, the game will require skill again due to FF, needing to aim, corridnation, stra, etc.

I remember being able to try LoTRO when it released without having to pay for it.
TCoS had a free trial.

DFO has been out for almost five months.  It's past released and going on to almost a half a year of retail. 
It's a little late for, "no game has trails at launch"  The game has already launched.

Aion has been giving out beta keys on a somewhat regular bases for people to experience the game.
Tabula Rasa was another game I was able to try free.

AoC gave out a free trial after it launched, not at launch, but after.  DFO is in that after it launched period now.

Not to mention, Tasos himself said that people wouldn't have to pay for the game to try it.

BTW,
Gold is something like 100k copies isn't it?
DFO didn't even go gold in EU.

Shill?

Well this is crap. Saw the title and thought, "yes, a free trial at last." But no, guess I still wont get to try it.

AV dont need freeloaders now go back to your basement and play your themepark nothing to see here.

Originally posted by Evasia

AV dont want freeloaders because then nobody will buy the game after seeing how it really is.

Fixed!

(That's the impression that I get).

Originally posted by Evasia

AV dont need freeloaders now go back to your basement and play your themepark nothing to see here.

Actually they do. They need to get people into the game to be ganked so it isn't a big empty failed game with nothing to do. Niow go back to your big empty world EU-1 because most of the players have left.

Originally posted by Fariic

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BTW,
Gold is something like 100k copies isn't it?
DFO didn't even go gold in EU.

originally, when a game had "gone gold" it only meant that the "master" CD -- the CD from which all of the shipping CDs are pressed -- had been delivered to the manufacturer and sale of the game was imminent.  (the term is originated from the fact that the "master" CD was usually gold-colored.)  unlike in the music industry, the term has nothing to do with the number of copies sold.

Originally posted by JoeTan

I seriously dont hope that you are that stupid ? Or do you really think you can pass that off as a valid arguement.

Argh im getting insane from reading stupid crap from people that should spend more time learning how to form a sentence and have an argument without being an idiot, and less time in front of a pc.

Stupidity is gonna be the downfall of future generations, people like you are making sure of that.

Either SHUT UP or come up with something that makes sense next time.

Really? That's the response you're going with on this one? I'm going to guess you decided to hit reply after reading the first few posts and did not bother to see how the particular line of thought was further explained or the reference that the original comment was intentionally tongue-in-cheek.

I guess there is some humor value in the fact you accuse others of being stupid while you jump to conclusions with only a portion of the information. At any rate, glad you felt motivated to post and thanks for you 'contribution' to the conversation.