Originally posted by rhinok

Thank you for asking, ChinaCat.  For the record, I'm neither a "hater", nor a "troll".  I'm critical of Aventurine and Darkfall, but I truly wish both the company and the game the best success.  I did try the game and I did enjoy aspects of it, however, ultimately I felt it wasn't quite ready for "primetime" and was, therefore, not worth spending any further money on.  As for the patch, some of my arguments are purely academic - it's not really an "expansion", but it is a big and very promising patch.  As to the new content, I'm really curious about the player housing and how it will ultimately work out.  Am I curious enough to give Darkfall a second go?  Maybe.  I havent' quite made up my mind. While I think the patch is very promising, I'm waiting for more information regarding the North American launch and publisher before i decide anything one way or another.

~Ripper

Thanks Ripper.   Makes sense.

I'm usually not a big "Housing" guy, as it's typically nice but more of a PvE thing.  In DFO, the housing comprises Villiages, which will be a nice extension to the PvP aspect of the game by making assetts capturable and such.   The villiage system also gives players in smaller guilds an opportunity to feel like they are winning some thing, if they are currently being left out of the City component.    The Nexus system could be great, in adding mobility to the game along with the additional drop rate of runes.

A lot of promise in this patch.   Will be very interesting.

Regards -CC 

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by hoopty

The Game is growing? Are you the record keeper?Where are you getting your info from?If you cant prove it by legal document then you no better than Taoes..= Liars

It's not even like these are hard names to spell. Aventurine is a precious gem, people have no reason to spell it "Adventurine" and I've seen a simple name, TASOS, spelled Tacos, Taoes, Toes, it's just sad. 

There is an in game log of how many people are playing, there were about 17k on last I checked I believe. So yeah, I'd say that's growing. And for those saying "That's nothing! WoW this and WoW that!" Darkfall was never meant to be anything more than a niche game, and considering it only cost about 10M euros to make, it won't take a hell of a long time to earn back and make a profit. Unlike Age of Conan, who is still in debt, with one of their companies already being bankrupt. 

No one wanted Darkfall to be another WoW clone, so long as there's enough population for fighting and competetive play, we're all happy. 

Screen shot or it never happened.

Not sure why you came here trolling, but as you've noted, we're better at it than you, so might as well head back to forum fall and play with your friends.

We don't even mind being labeled trolls, so not sure why you think the name hurts us in some way. It doesn't.

Though we prefer to call it open and honest discussion, you may name call all you like, won't change our opinions much.

You're in our world now..... hope you enjoy it.

Originally posted by Thendil

why do ppl still post darkfall is fail cause they had 300k beta suscribers and only 10 k are playing it!

for the 795380's time AV did open the shop for a limited time and sold a certain amount of copy's...

reason for that was, they never intended to have a large amount of suscribers and even said that in there news several times! How could you improve a game when you actually listen to what your players think about the game and what suggestions they have for it when there are 300k players. Start small! rise and shine after time! Hell look at wow and how long it took till they got to 10 million accounts! Perfect example is Eve Online. released in 2003 and now has around 40k players online 24/7 and 300k active accounts!

DF has many problems we know that! still we enjoy the game...plus we are getting rewarded today! "i hope"

 Have they increased server capacity? I'm just curious as to how ( as stated previously ) that there are 17k active players. I thought the bar per server was set at 10k. I point further to your above post that they intentionally kept the game small. If the game is meant to be 10k players per server and they are currently at 17k on the EU server that would be an overload, would it not? That said ... why is the online store still allowing people to purchase the game, if there is a cap and we are above that cap?

I am sure there is an acceptable, logical, and demonstrated reason for this seemingly contorted jump in rationale.

Originally posted by Thendil

why do ppl still post darkfall is fail cause they had 300k beta suscribers and only 10 k are playing it!

for the 795380's time AV did open the shop for a limited time and sold a certain amount of copy's...

reason for that was, they never intended to have a large amount of suscribers and even said that in there news several times! How could you improve a game when you actually listen to what your players think about the game and what suggestions they have for it when there are 300k players. Start small! rise and shine after time! Hell look at wow and how long it took till they got to 10 million accounts! Perfect example is Eve Online. released in 2003 and now has around 40k players online 24/7 and 300k active accounts!

DF has many problems we know that! still we enjoy the game...plus we are getting rewarded today! "i hope"

Fail for self-contradiction.    Dunno, how did WOW go from only half a million subs to 11 million +?  How were they able to listen to what their players thought about the game and what suggestions said players had for WOW, when WOW had hundreds of thousands of subs from day one, and that number only grew and grew?

Perhaps true gods ran Blizzard North, and Tacos is the lord of false mexican food?

Fail is fail.  Make good arguments to logically support the points you are presenting, please.

Thank you.

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by Holgranth

Where's the dude with the "Oh Snap!" sig when we need him? Oh well  Signus just give it up already Ripper has ripped you several new ones and trolling away will only beg for more embarresing public beatdowns. Go download the new Darkfall patch or somthing.

While I appreciate the support, it's not really my intent to rip him.  I wouldn't have replied had he not denied his community involvement with Darkfall.  As such, I thought my comments were topical, since they demonstrate his deliberate attempts at obfuscation.

~Ripper

He basically BEGGED for it.......... almost anyone who has spent time on the Darkfall forums knows he is highly opinionated and dismisses anyone who disagrees with his opnions.

His OP is primarliy as you pointed out, "I'm right, your wrong." While he may well have a point about the amount of Trolling his post is little better.

While he is allowed to have his opinions, to come here and promptly deny his involvment in the community as an IRC moderator it just plain silly.  SOMEONE had to point out to this guy how far from reality he is........ while you may not have intended to publically humiliate him it is what I would call an advantagious side effect.

Originally posted by Redemp

Originally posted by Thendil

why do ppl still post darkfall is fail cause they had 300k beta suscribers and only 10 k are playing it!

for the 795380's time AV did open the shop for a limited time and sold a certain amount of copy's...

reason for that was, they never intended to have a large amount of suscribers and even said that in there news several times! How could you improve a game when you actually listen to what your players think about the game and what suggestions they have for it when there are 300k players. Start small! rise and shine after time! Hell look at wow and how long it took till they got to 10 million accounts! Perfect example is Eve Online. released in 2003 and now has around 40k players online 24/7 and 300k active accounts!

DF has many problems we know that! still we enjoy the game...plus we are getting rewarded today! "i hope"

 

 Have they increased server capacity? I'm just curious as to how ( as stated previously ) that there are 17k active players. I thought the bar per server was set at 10k. I point further to your above post that they intentionally kept the game small. If the game is meant to be 10k players per server and they are currently at 17k on the EU server that would be an overload, would it not? That said ... why is the online store still allowing people to purchase the game, if there is a cap and we are above that cap?

I am sure there is an acceptable, logical, and demonstrated reason for this seemingly contorted jump in rationale.

The op attests that he has seen logs showing 17,000.  Is this number concurrent subs, or total active subs?  Perhaps the op, or someone else, is able to elaborate upon this topic in a reasonable, logical fashion, and answer our questions?

Originally posted by Holgranth

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by Holgranth

Where's the dude with the "Oh Snap!" sig when we need him? Oh well  Signus just give it up already Ripper has ripped you several new ones and trolling away will only beg for more embarresing public beatdowns. Go download the new Darkfall patch or somthing.

While I appreciate the support, it's not really my intent to rip him.  I wouldn't have replied had he not denied his community involvement with Darkfall.  As such, I thought my comments were topical, since they demonstrate his deliberate attempts at obfuscation.

~Ripper

 

He basically BEGGED for it.......... almost anyone who has spent time on the Darkfall forums knows he is highly opinionated and dismisses anyone who disagrees with his opnions.

 

His OP is primarliy as you pointed out, "I'm right, your wrong." While he may well have a point about the amount of Trolling his post is little better.

 

While he is allowed to have his opinions, to come here and promptly deny his involvment in the community as an IRC moderator it just plain silly.  SOMEONE had to point out to this guy how far from reality he is........ while you may not have intended to publically humiliate him it is what I would call an advantagious side effect.

You cannot humiliate anyone on the mmorpg.com Darkfall forum, fanboy or troll.....were beyond that shiz....

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

Originally posted by Holgranth

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by Holgranth

Where's the dude with the "Oh Snap!" sig when we need him? Oh well  Signus just give it up already Ripper has ripped you several new ones and trolling away will only beg for more embarresing public beatdowns. Go download the new Darkfall patch or somthing.

While I appreciate the support, it's not really my intent to rip him.  I wouldn't have replied had he not denied his community involvement with Darkfall.  As such, I thought my comments were topical, since they demonstrate his deliberate attempts at obfuscation.

~Ripper

 

He basically BEGGED for it.......... almost anyone who has spent time on the Darkfall forums knows he is highly opinionated and dismisses anyone who disagrees with his opnions.

 

His OP is primarliy as you pointed out, "I'm right, your wrong." While he may well have a point about the amount of Trolling his post is little better.

 

While he is allowed to have his opinions, to come here and promptly deny his involvment in the community as an IRC moderator it just plain silly.  SOMEONE had to point out to this guy how far from reality he is........ while you may not have intended to publically humiliate him it is what I would call an advantagious side effect.

 

 

You cannot humiliate anyone on the mmorpg.com Darkfall forum, fanboy or troll.....were beyond that shiz....

Would "Proven him to be a liar and an extremely poor representation of the community and company he pretended to not represent in front of several people, an event that would be humiliating to a person not hardened by years of forum combat." have been a more apropriate discription?

Originally posted by Damian_ACK

Originally posted by Redemp

Originally posted by Thendil

why do ppl still post darkfall is fail cause they had 300k beta suscribers and only 10 k are playing it!

for the 795380's time AV did open the shop for a limited time and sold a certain amount of copy's...

reason for that was, they never intended to have a large amount of suscribers and even said that in there news several times! How could you improve a game when you actually listen to what your players think about the game and what suggestions they have for it when there are 300k players. Start small! rise and shine after time! Hell look at wow and how long it took till they got to 10 million accounts! Perfect example is Eve Online. released in 2003 and now has around 40k players online 24/7 and 300k active accounts!

DF has many problems we know that! still we enjoy the game...plus we are getting rewarded today! "i hope"

 

 Have they increased server capacity? I'm just curious as to how ( as stated previously ) that there are 17k active players. I thought the bar per server was set at 10k. I point further to your above post that they intentionally kept the game small. If the game is meant to be 10k players per server and they are currently at 17k on the EU server that would be an overload, would it not? That said ... why is the online store still allowing people to purchase the game, if there is a cap and we are above that cap?

I am sure there is an acceptable, logical, and demonstrated reason for this seemingly contorted jump in rationale.

 

The op attests that he has seen logs showing 17,000.  Is this number concurrent subs, or total active subs?  Perhaps the op, or someone else, is able to elaborate upon this topic in a reasonable, logical fashion, and answer our questions?

Ok, so he posts above that he is NOT associated with Av but he has SEEN logs showing 17K subs? Interesting never knew that private companies made that type of info available to any old gamer.

Guess I should write Sony and Blizz and ask to see their official logs since I am sure it is common place to just show them to anyone. Oh forgot, Av is a special (as in special ed) company that does everything differently then all other companies in any field of endeavor.

So Signus who should we email at Av to get to see those "official" logs? Are they kept on the same "official" log server that showed that Ed Zit only played a couple of hours? ROFLMAO

the df server can support up to 50k players, like i said in a earlier statement in this topic the game costs 50 bucks you can not get a free trial! well many can not afford to buy a game without even testing it! On the other hand the NA server is about to launch

what tasos said when before the game launched was that NA players can buy a EU copy and play on the EU server and will be able to transfer to NA server later! so ppl got scared about that...actually those where smart cause we have to buy a new copy now if we want to play at NA launch which kinda sucks but it is worth it!

For wow and the glory road!

do you have any idea how much staff Blizzard has Worldwide? no of course not.

we do not know how much staff AV actually has! i would guess around 3% of Blizz dream team?

any more questions?

Yup.
This guy is a moderator for Av.

You can't get more fanboy then working for a company for free.

I really don't know what this thread is supposed to be about.
It's not even good trolling.

Originally posted by Thendil

the df server can support up to 50k players.

any more questions?

 

 Wait ...

50k is the number now? You arn't just raising the bar on me now, are you?

 Lets follow that train though, humor me. If the DF server can support 50k players, and they currently only have 17k... why are they releasing a new server? In addition to that ... surely 50k of the reported 300k+ beta subcribers would have purchased the game by now? You understand my reasoning, I hope, something is just not adding up. The numbers are not jiving..... and numbers do not lie. Could you please elaborate more on this 50k server cap, any official announcements with that in it? I have only seen the 10k cap.

Thanks,

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by hoopty

The Game is growing? Are you the record keeper?Where are you getting your info from?If you cant prove it by legal document then you no better than Taoes..= Liars

It's not even like these are hard names to spell. Aventurine is a precious gem, people have no reason to spell it "Adventurine" and I've seen a simple name, TASOS, spelled Tacos, Taoes, Toes, it's just sad. 

There is an in game log of how many people are playing, there were about 17k on last I checked I believe. So yeah, I'd say that's growing. And for those saying "That's nothing! WoW this and WoW that!" Darkfall was never meant to be anything more than a niche game, and considering it only cost about 10M euros to make, it won't take a hell of a long time to earn back and make a profit. Unlike Age of Conan, who is still in debt, with one of their companies already being bankrupt. 

No one wanted Darkfall to be another WoW clone, so long as there's enough population for fighting and competetive play, we're all happy. 

 

Screen shot or it never happened.

Not sure why you came here trolling, but as you've noted, we're better at it than you, so might as well head back to forum fall and play with your friends.

We don't even mind being labeled trolls, so not sure why you think the name hurts us in some way. It doesn't.

Though we prefer to call it open and honest discussion, you may name call all you like, won't change our opinions much.

You're in our world now..... hope you enjoy it.

There's an in-game log with the total number of online players? That's news to me and to anybody who's ever played the game, unless said log is available only to specific people, such as community staff, GMs, developers, etc...  There was a screen post launch, but it didn't accuratley show true online activity and it was removed from public viewing shortly, thereafter (I assume so as not to expose the low population). To the best of my knowledge, the only in-game indicator of membership is the clan journal which barely showed 15k the last time I tablulated the numbers.  Even that figure is misleading, since it was verified that the total clan count contained ex-players and deleted characters, thereby making the actual clan membership total lower (potentially much lower).

So, Signus, please post proof or would doing so further expose you as representing Aventurine in an unoffical capacity (since nobody else seems to have access to this mythical online membership log).  If the log exists and it legitimately shows 17k players, I believe it's total players, not online concurrent players (just like the log that was publicly viewable when the game first launched).  If that's the case, are the 17k players all players who've ever bought the game or active players only?  We'll probably never know, since it's unlikely you'll post any proof.

~Ripper

Originally posted by Thendil

the df server can support up to 50k players, like i said in a earlier statement in this topic the game costs 50 bucks you can not get a free trial! well many can not afford to buy a game without even testing it! On the other hand the NA server is about to launch

what tasos said when before the game launched was that NA players can buy a EU copy and play on the EU server and will be able to transfer to NA server later! so ppl got scared about that...actually those where smart cause we have to buy a new copy now if we want to play at NA launch which kinda sucks but it is worth it!

 

For wow and the glory road!

do you have any idea how much staff Blizzard has Worldwide? no of course not.

we do not know how much staff AV actually has! i would guess around 3% of Blizz dream team?

any more questions?

 

Could we perchance get a link to the server supporting 50k concurrent subs statement?  If it is 50k total active subs, then it is an irrelevant statement and AV is in serious trouble (because that statement makes no sense).

Since you're speaking of items which Tacos brought up pre-retail release - he also stated (numerous times) that you would NEVER have to pay to play DF, without having first had the opportunity to try the game for free.

What does Blizzard's staff size have to do with anything we are discussing?

Originally posted by Thendil  

what tasos said when before the game launched was that NA players can buy a EU copy and play on the EU server and will be able to transfer to NA server later!

Nought from the Greeks towards me hath sped well.
So now I find that ancient proverb true,
Foes' gifts are no gifts: profit bring they none.

-Sophocles (496 - 406 BC)

Originally posted by Thendil

the df server can support up to 50k players, like i said in a earlier statement in this topic the game costs 50 bucks you can not get a free trial! well many can not afford to buy a game without even testing it! On the other hand the NA server is about to launch

what tasos said when before the game launched was that NA players can buy a EU copy and play on the EU server and will be able to transfer to NA server later! so ppl got scared about that...actually those where smart cause we have to buy a new copy now if we want to play at NA launch which kinda sucks but it is worth it!

 

For wow and the glory road!

do you have any idea how much staff Blizzard has Worldwide? no of course not.

we do not know how much staff AV actually has! i would guess around 3% of Blizz dream team?

any more questions?

 

I have a question.

WHAT!?

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by hoopty

The Game is growing? Are you the record keeper?Where are you getting your info from?If you cant prove it by legal document then you no better than Taoes..= Liars

It's not even like these are hard names to spell. Aventurine is a precious gem, people have no reason to spell it "Adventurine" and I've seen a simple name, TASOS, spelled Tacos, Taoes, Toes, it's just sad. 

There is an in game log of how many people are playing, there were about 17k on last I checked I believe. So yeah, I'd say that's growing. And for those saying "That's nothing! WoW this and WoW that!" Darkfall was never meant to be anything more than a niche game, and considering it only cost about 10M euros to make, it won't take a hell of a long time to earn back and make a profit. Unlike Age of Conan, who is still in debt, with one of their companies already being bankrupt. 

No one wanted Darkfall to be another WoW clone, so long as there's enough population for fighting and competetive play, we're all happy. 

 

Screen shot or it never happened.

Not sure why you came here trolling, but as you've noted, we're better at it than you, so might as well head back to forum fall and play with your friends.

We don't even mind being labeled trolls, so not sure why you think the name hurts us in some way. It doesn't.

Though we prefer to call it open and honest discussion, you may name call all you like, won't change our opinions much.

You're in our world now..... hope you enjoy it.

There's an in-game log with the total number of online players? That's news to me and to anybody who's ever played the game, unless said log is available only to specific people, such as community staff, GMs, developers, etc...  There was a screen post launch, but it didn't accuratley show true online activity and it was removed from public viewing shortly, thereafter (I assume so as not to expose the low population). To the best of my knowledge, the only in-game indicator of membership is the clan journal which barely showed 15k the last time I tablulated the numbers.  Even that figure is misleading, since it was verified that the total clan count contained ex-players and deleted characters, thereby making the actual clan membership total lower (potentially much lower).

So, Signus, please post proof or would doing so further expose you as representing Aventurine in an unoffical capacity (since nobody else seems to have access to this mythical online membership log).  If the log exists and it legitimately shows 17k players, I believe it's total players, not online concurrent players (just like the log that was publicly viewable when the game first launched).  If that's the case, are the 17k players all players who've ever bought the game or active players only?  We'll probably never know, since it's unlikely you'll post any proof.

~Ripper

I remember the op of this thread made a statement about funcom employees doing some negative viral posting?  So, if we look down upon people doing negative viralling; then, what do we do about people attempting to do smart-assed viralling?

you ppl are not making it easy for me!!!

AV has limited Server Capacity to support Siege battles and so on...

i never said that the server can only hold 10k players!

Now here are the Facts for the EU server and the NA server:

first here is a link to the expansion that is put in the game right now! That is  the reason why the hype is up again on the forums about Darkfall!

http://www.darkfallonline.com/expansion/

The EU Launch was the actual...uhm us DF peeps call it payed Open Beta Launch!

With the NA Server you can think of as a relaunch or actual Game Launch. example Vanguard opened free trials Island which was a actual relaunch by the Devs Statements!

counting Clan members wont help yeh! there are alot of lone wolfs in the game and the clan members count is in some cases not up to date

This thread needs deleted.  "I TOLD YOU SO" threads are against the rules and considered harrassment. 

Originally posted by mrroboto40

Originally posted by Thendil  

what tasos said when before the game launched was that NA players can buy a EU copy and play on the EU server and will be able to transfer to NA server later!

 

Nought from the Greeks towards me hath sped well.
So now I find that ancient proverb true,
Foes' gifts are no gifts: profit bring they none.

-Sophocles (496 - 406 BC)

Originally posted by Fariic

You can't get more fanboy then working for a company for free.

Yes they can: start paying the company in order to work for them

but i should better stop here rather  giving Tasos any more "brilliant" ideas

Originally posted by mrroboto40

Originally posted by Thendil  

what tasos said when before the game launched was that NA players can buy a EU copy and play on the EU server and will be able to transfer to NA server later!

 

Nought from the Greeks towards me hath sped well.
So now I find that ancient proverb true,
Foes' gifts are no gifts: profit bring they none.

-Sophocles (496 - 406 BC)

Post of the day

Originally posted by Thendil

you ppl are not making it easy for me!!!

AV has limited Server Capacity to support Siege battles and so on...

i never said that the server can only hold 10k players!

Now here are the Facts for the EU server and the NA server:

first here is a link to the expansion that is put in the game right now! That is  the reason why the hype is up again on the forums about Darkfall!

http://www.darkfallonline.com/expansion/

The EU Launch was the actual...uhm us DF peeps call it payed Open Beta Launch!

With the NA Server you can think of as a relaunch or actual Game Launch. example Vanguard opened free trials Island which was a actual relaunch by the Devs Statements!

 

  Can someone please dig up old posts in regards to the "Capacity limits" which were set by Aventurine? I have always heard/read 10,000.

 You are still not addressing the implication that if the Server Capacity is at 50k, and a Mod states 17k currently ( how he obtained this information  is questionable ) how Aventurine justifys opening a second server.

 This is the point of my trip on these forums today, to point out the glaring problems with the "Number game" that is being waged by -Both- sides of the arguement. Without factual data, backed by official releases every number quote is meer speculation. If we judge by released information, official information, the Server capacity and then make informed speculations on the games subcription base or active players things begin to blur. I question the validity of 17k subcribers, even playing devils advocate and allowing said subcriber speculation, points to a glaring disparity on where this game should be to justify a new server.

 You could make all this speculation go away if you or anyone would simply state that Aventurine recieved addtional funds and is increasing their base market. THAT I would understand perfectly, but as to date we only hear speculation of finacial failure and to judge based on their  EU "Publisher" ... lets just say people are not lining up to back this indie firm.

Originally posted by Thendil

counting Clan members wont help yeh! there are alot of lone wolfs in the game and the clan members count is in some cases not up to date

If you are unable to speak to the points I raised; then, perhaps the person (our op in this case) who mentioned 17k players in the log, CAN?

Op?