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BaronJuJu
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7/07/09 4:11:50 PM#21
Originally posted by Mrbloodworth
This has been labeled a giant success for SOE in the press. Its well deserved. "If we don't attack them, they will attack us first. So we'd better retaliate before they have a chance to strike" |
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7/07/09 4:22:38 PM#22
I remember reading a translated chinese press release for Perfect World before the english language version came about. It spoke of over 30 million registered users. And since then, there's been 2 more releases to other parts of the world... Yet, Perfect World, wich has millions of registerred western users, barely get a mention in this part of the world.
4 million registerred users? How many pays? How many plays? I know I'm a registerred user, in Perfect World, Free Realms and plenty of the F2P games in existance... Heck, so are my buddies. But none of us play em, none of us paid a dime... but we're still part of the boasteous marketing press releases from the games, where they paint the picture of massive userbase.... don't trust marketing unless they release income numbers or paying and active users statistics.
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Daffid011, always nice to see you ring in with your SOE thoughts. Anyway I found this interesting and it surely is not fact and pure guesstimating the 89/10/1 rule and I think Free Realms is probably doing better then that. 89% of registered users do not spend a thing. 10% only spend the bare minimum. Leaving only 1% the spend a lot. Now I think Free Realms is doing better then that but even with those percentages Free Realms is a success. Now I know some are sensative about SOE and anything they do or say. So again this is just for fun and speculation. So no need to go overboard to show how wrong it is. However it is interesting. www.massively.com/2009/06/13/free-realms-guesstimating-monthly-revenue-using-the-89-10-1-rul/ I love this quote from comments on this article: "Oh my god this should send teh SOE haters and SWG vets into full on Rage mode...just think of all the hours they will put in inventing formulas that disprove this." I though the exact same thing when I read the article. |
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7/07/09 8:11:57 PM#24
The subscription fee is only $4.99 a month. Do you seriously think the majority of their registered users won't spend that much on a game they obviously enjoy? I don't like SOE much at all and I have tried Free Realms. If it wasn't such a kiddy, cutesey game, I'd subscribe, but I can see it's huge appeal with children and teens. |
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7/07/09 11:39:56 PM#25
Originally posted by eccoton
There is a press release every few weeks that talks about millions and millions of people "registering" for free realms. Then there are people speculating with 89/10/1 or whatever other formula and projecting how much money soe must be making. It makes sense right? Until you start applying your own advice and looking in game to see what things are like. 10 servers and the majority are ghost towns. Maybe 2 have decent populations. Not to mention there are only 10 servers! 10... Warcraft has 4.5 million NA/EU players and nearly 500 servers to support those players and each of those game world are easily 50 times larger than free realms and you still see people everywhere. Free realms has 2% of the servers or warcraft, but you seem to think it has a comparable population? How many players do you think 10 servers can support? At one point the soe claims meant that on average over 8,000 players were joining each server every... EVERY DAY for a two week period. Thousands and thousands of players need to join those servers every single day to make those 4 million claims valid. Just log in and tell me if you see THOUSANDS of brand new players on any server. Pick any one you want. 75% of them are children/teens so they should be logging in during daylight hours and not hard to find.
Or you could just take the soe press releases at face value, apply some vague RMT formula to it and produce success. Despite there not being enough hardware to support that playerbase, or size of gameworld to support it or even in game population to support it. 1) claim millions of registered users 2) ??? 3) profit
For persepctive: EQ2 has 25 servers and hundreds of zones. Free realms has 10 servers with 1 zone that would struggle to fill a large eq2 zone.
You do the math. Even if 4 million people tried the game it would mean free realms has the worst retention rate in the industry.
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Not sure what game Daffid011 is playing but I play Free Realms everyday on many different servers at all different times of the day. I see players everywhere in the game. No other game have I seen so many players in almost all areas. Of course WoW has a lot more players. But outside the main cities there are not players everywhere. I played WoW for over 4 years. I never compared WoW' to Free Realms, other then the comment about first month starting numbers, not sure where Daffid011 got that I was comparing them. I have no idea what Free Realms servers hold but I know this, as an active player, Free Realms is not ghost town. It does not matter what SOE does or what anyone says about them on these forums Daffid011 will be there to dispute anything positve about SOE. He will also explain to me that I am really not having fun in Free Realms and that anyone who likes anything SOE does has been brainwashed. Free Realms is no Ghost Town. Play for yourself it is free and you make your own judgement about it's population and health. Free Realms is not for most of the people who post here. It is for tweens and geared for girls as well. However that has nothing to do with it being a success or not as an mmo. Just because it is not EQ style grinder or a WoW clone (mentioned WoW since Daffid011 brought them into the mix) does mean it can not be a big success. SOE is going after a younger market in mmos. As many developers are. Look at all the kid mmos launch in the last year. They are tapping into the Hannah Montana audience not us the older hardcore mmo players. This is why they made Free Realms which suprisingly is a good game as well: The day after Super Bowl XLII, Cyrus — or Hannah Montana, the character she plays on the hit Disney Channel TV show — stole headlines away from one of the most memorable upsets in the history of the National Football League. Her film, Hannah Montana & Miley Cyrus: Best of Both Worlds Concert, became the No. 1 movie at the box office, earning $31.1 million in three days. Since her eponymous show debuted in 2006 as the No. 1 cable show for kids age 6-14, she’s had two chart-topping CDs, Hannah Montana and Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus (more than 8 million copies sold worldwide); four bestselling DVDs (more than 2.5 million copies sold); a series of young adult novels (3.7 million copies and counting); video games (1.7 million sold); and a sold-out national tour that has been expanded to 70 dates (and has already generated more than $24 million SOE has done some dumb stuff but they might not be as dumb as you think Daffid011. |
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Hmmm...... "Oh my god this should send teh SOE haters and SWG vets into full on Rage mode...just think of all the hours they will put in inventing formulas that disprove this."
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Originally posted by Daffid011
This comment is total nonsense. Daffid011 knows I play EQ2 as well, have been since release. Free Realms is a very large world and is setup for a lot of expanding. I maxed an adventurer by only exploring for the collection pieces. This took me about a week and I covered pretty much all of the available game world and it is not small and dwarfs even the largest EQ2 zones. Now this is not a big thing but Daffid011 is making a claim that is simply not true. |
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7/08/09 1:36:14 PM#29
Originally posted by eccoton
This comment is total nonsense. Daffid011 knows I play EQ2 as well, have been since release. Free Realms is a very large world and is setup for a lot of expanding. I maxed an adventurer by only exploring for the collection pieces. This took me about a week and I covered pretty much all of the available game world and it is not small and dwarfs even the largest EQ2 zones. Now this is not a big thing but Daffid011 is making a claim that is simply not true. Running the entire gameworld bewteen farthest points by foot. Nothing to aid or increase travels speed and this is how long it took to run the ENTIRE game world. 9 minutes from north to south. 13 minutes from east to west. That is the entire game world. It took me almost as much time to run the entire zone of hellfire pennisula in WoW. That is how big the free realms world is. Sorry bud.
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7/08/09 1:51:14 PM#30
Originally posted by eccoton
Listen, are you going to debate the points or are you going to debate me? You whine and cry anytime someone makes any reference about how you personally conduct yourself or labels you anything. Yet here you are doing exactly what you cry foul about others doing to you. In fact I suspect that is exactly why you posted this thread so that you could do some little parade to the people you label haters. You are perhaps the biggest hypocrite on these forums you know that?
I posted figures and observations which you are free to try to disprove. All you have is a press release stating an ambigious figure that is unprovable and could not possibly relate to in game actions. The newbie zones would litterlly be flooded with players logging in.
Log on and take some SS of all these players. Go ahead, put your money where your mouth is. I'm not telling you what you feel think or do, just put up something to back up your claims. Go log into server 6 and lets see the SS's fly. Each freerealms server is averaging 6-8,000 NEW players a day according to soes press releases. There should be hundreds of people everywhere.
Feel free to prove me wrong.
As for the wow comparison, it was a logistical comparison. 4.5 million wow players require nearly 500 game servers for them to play on. You seem to thing 10 servers can somehow accomidate 4 million people. or 3 or 2 or even 1.
P.S. what does hannah montana have to do with anything? |
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7/08/09 2:31:59 PM#31
Originally posted by Vrazule
If the majority of registered players were paying that sub fee, SOE would be shouting it from the rooftops: "3 million subscribers!" Especially with the dismal subs of all their other games. They're not, they're shouting 4 million registered. There's a big difference. |
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Originally posted by Daffid011
I will address these comments. Of course I know I am the biggest hypocrite on these forums. You have made that clear many times, how could I forget? After all this time have you noticed I have not ever responded to any thread you started. If I have it was by accident I am sure, if you start any. You see your thought mean nothing to me in particular, I respond to topic I really have interest in and games I play. However I find it interesting that it seems you will respond to every thread I start if it has anything to do with SOE. I guess SOE is what interests you. You point out all the time I am wrong. Yet you spend a lot of time responding to my threads. If I am all that you have claimed why do you not just ignore me? I am not here to disporve anything you post. It simply does not matter to me. I let the readers make up their own minds and respond as they feel. I do not waste time trying to disprove anything anyone says even those I find present misleading information. I just speak my peace and try to leave it at that. So why do you think I would care enough to spend a lot of time disproving your claims even if I feel I can. Some things I say are correct some things I say are wrong. So What? You are free to say what ever you want about them. Do not think because I do not go after your post like you do mine that I agree or approve of them. I just let them stand and figure others can understand them as they see fit. While occasionally pointing out obvious stuff like your land mass comparision to EQ2 zones. I do not write for the New York Times so I do not bother trying to dig up hard numbers to disporove everything I find misleading. You say your peace point out my short comings in every post, good for you if it entertains you. If it does then these forums are doing their job. I take these forums as casual and entertainment. How serious you take them is your business. This has everything to do with my Hannah Montana comments. Do I really need to explain it to you? Ok sigh. SOE has designed Free Realms to appeal to the exact same audience as Hannah Montana. Tweens ages 9 to 15 and mostly to girls. Smedly (oops sorry I mention his name) has said this in a recent interview. Do you see the huge numbers Hannah Montana generates. Many like yourself probably do not care about or think about Hannah Montana. I wanted to point out how huge that target market is much larger then most people realize. Bigger then things like the Super Bowl or top movies, this is huge money we are talking about, billions.Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus are huge because of the purchasing power of the same audience Free Realms is going after. We are part of the mmorpg older school world. SOE is not really making games for us anymore. Well at least not as a priority. I was hoping you understood, that you can not judge Free Realms like you judge other games we talk about here. Free Realms isa different breed of mmo with a few things we find familiar. Do you understand now why I mention it? I have no idea how many of the 4 million registered user pay to play or use RMT. I have no idea how many players a server hold. I have no idea how many square miles the game covers. I do know that the time running on two axes in a game world does not mean a lot. I also know it took me about a weeks to really cover all the land mass, when leveling my Adventurer. I also know the land mass is larger then EQ2 zones, even the large ones. I also know Free Realms is going to get a lot bigger. To bad you do not play Free Realms to enjoy it. Free Realms is actually a fun game, if you got a little of the kid left in you. That is why about a million adult like myself have tried it. No I do not have any idea how many stayed. Seems like you log into Free Realms to find the games short comming not really play it. To bad if you actually give the game a chance it is pretty fun and brings the saturday morning cartoon kid out of me and at my age it is nice. That is why I play it to have simple fun. PS - incase some did not get it I used the title "Told you so!" to keep to the whole tween thing. So read it in the voice of a twelve year old girl.
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Originally posted by Zorvan
If the majority of registered players were paying that sub fee, SOE would be shouting it from the rooftops: "3 million subscribers!" Especially with the dismal subs of all their other games. They're not, they're shouting 4 million registered. There's a big difference.
I do agree with you that SOE would shout "subscribers" if those numbers were huge. However none of us really know the numbers or what SOE gauges as a success with Free Realms. I am sure in the next few months this will be made more clear. On the surface as a player the game seems to be successful. Do not under estimate the purchasing power of the Hannah Montana crowd. It has/will make Miley a billionare. |
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7/08/09 4:00:58 PM#34
I like Miley Cyrus, I do not like Free Realms.
Currently restarting World of Warcraft :/ |
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Originally posted by sanders01
I like her to I got one of her songs on my workout list. Don't tell the guys in the gym. I am 210 lbs and bench a bit over 300lbs to Miley Cyrus. If they knew I would never hear the end of it. I was not saying that everyone who likes Miley would like Free Realms just say that, the same audience has never been tapped by the mmo world until recently. |
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7/08/09 4:47:58 PM#36
Originally posted by eccoton
I will address these comments. Of course I know I am the biggest hypocrite on these forums. You have made that clear many times, how could I forget? After all this time have you noticed I have not ever responded to any thread you started. If I have it was by accident I am sure, if you start any. You see your thought mean nothing to me in particular, I respond to topic I really have interest in and games I play. However I find it interesting that it seems you will respond to every thread I start if it has anything to do with SOE. I guess SOE is what interests you. You point out all the time I am wrong. Yet you spend a lot of time responding to my threads. If I am all that you have claimed why do you not just ignore me? These forums are public? thats like saying ignore anything you disagree with? I am not here to disporve anything you post. It simply does not matter to me. I let the readers make up their own minds and respond as they feel. I do not waste time trying to disprove anything anyone says even those I find present misleading information. I just speak my peace and try to leave it at that. So why do you think I would care enough to spend a lot of time disproving your claims even if I feel I can. Some things I say are correct some things I say are wrong. So What? You are free to say what ever you want about them. Do not think because I do not go after your post like you do mine that I agree or approve of them. I just let them stand and figure others can understand them as they see fit. While occasionally pointing out obvious stuff like your land mass comparision to EQ2 zones. I do not write for the New York Times so I do not bother trying to dig up hard numbers to disporove everything I find misleading. You say your peace point out my short comings in every post, good for you if it entertains you. If it does then these forums are doing their job. I take these forums as casual and entertainment. How serious you take them is your business. This whole paragraph is silly... it doenst make sense. It like your saying "you had a smoke with elvis whilst chatting on the mobile phone to God" then saying prove it wrong lalala you cant lalala. Seriously if you right prove it or backup an opinion then stop replying with "moot" responses ala random number formulas.. its just weird. Might as well talk about the price of fish. This has everything to do with my Hannah Montana comments. Do I really need to explain it to you? Ok sigh. SOE has designed Free Realms to appeal to the exact same audience as Hannah Montana. Tweens ages 9 to 15 and mostly to girls. Smedly (oops sorry I mention his name) has said this in a recent interview. Do you see the huge numbers Hannah Montana generates. Many like yourself probably do not care about or think about Hannah Montana. I wanted to point out how huge that target market is much larger then most people realize. Bigger then things like the Super Bowl or top movies, this is huge money we are talking about, billions.Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus are huge because of the purchasing power of the same audience Free Realms is going after. We are part of the mmorpg older school world. SOE is not really making games for us anymore. Well at least not as a priority. I was hoping you understood, that you can not judge Free Realms like you judge other games we talk about here. Free Realms isa different breed of mmo with a few things we find familiar. Do you understand now why I mention it? Not a clue but im sure it means something I have no idea how many of the 4 million registered user pay to play or use RMT. I have no idea how many players a server hold. I have no idea how many square miles the game covers. I do know that the time running on two axes in a game world does not mean a lot. I also know it took me about a weeks to really cover all the land mass, when leveling my Adventurer. I also know the land mass is larger then EQ2 zones, even the large ones. I also know Free Realms is going to get a lot bigger. To bad you do not play Free Realms to enjoy it. Free Realms is actually a fun game, if you got a little of the kid left in you. That is why about a million adult like myself have tried it. No I do not have any idea how many stayed. Seems like you log into Free Realms to find the games short comming not really play it. To bad if you actually give the game a chance it is pretty fun and brings the saturday morning cartoon kid out of me and at my age it is nice. That is why I play it to have simple fun. I dont think that was what your original point was about so I believe in this last paragraph you digress, you cant prove or confirm anything yet are happy to argue over it, might want to think about that.... but seriously.. I am quite interested in Free Realms but the claims your making dont stand up, so please show contradictory information or screenshots or evidence or... well something just not "I have no idea >insert random previous comment< that you said 5 posts earlier" As at the moment there has been a screenshot of server loads given which wasnt good. As any free game with good content updates will "prosper" which when you place that in a historical context is where the worry lies. Spin it as you like but this company is not someone you want watchin yer back in a tight spot or to provide good content. Period. Dont read this article just go ask google and this company is not very nice with its existing customers. It loves new ones. Also if the world maps are smaller and you say they are bigger has anyone else who has played the game got an update or "evidence". As it appears that you have opions polar opposite and I have never played the game but the more i read this post the more I wont. I keep hearing mini games and social network... On a somber note.. Free games will always get bigger. Its a free game and anyone can make an account. Even multiple ones (for those stealthy mmo players out there :oP) which means the game will "grow" bigger. As always... that information SOEgives on its games is no information as its always spin.
"Obi-Wan Kenobi: We were decieved by a lie; we all were. It appears that SOE is behind everything, including the NGE! After the death of CU, the NGE became their new apprentice." |
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Nanachub, these comments were directed at responding to Daffid011. You do not know our history or you would know why I mention he could just ignore me. I was not saying ignore the things you find wrong in the forums. I was specifically suggesting Daffid011 ignore me since every time he response it is just showing what a hypocrite I am of how everything I say is wrong. I simply would think he would be tired of me by know based on how he depicts me and my posts. Sure the second paragraph makes sense I was saying in a different way for about the tenth time to Daffid011 I am not spending hours researching everything he posts here. Why? This is casual. My feelings on SOE and there games is based on playing them for years. I was also saying i read a lot of things that are misrepresented on the forums but I do not feel the need to disprove anything. By the way I am right about Free Realms but can I actually prove it to someone who does not even play the game without true numbers from SOE? Nope of course not. I could post a bunch of screen shot showing huge groups of players but what would that prove? Do you get my point now? If you do not understand the Hannah Montana idea then I can not explain it to you. I am interested in not only playing this game but how it has been marketed. I also was trying to point out this game is not like most of the mmos here or for most of the members of mmorpg.com now what is so hard to understand. If you do not get it then you have no idea about who and what Free Realms was designed for. Many here think it will fail because it was not made for them. Well it wasn't it was made for the same audience as the Hannah Montana crowd that spend billions on her merchandise. Just because more hardcore players like Daffid011 do not like a game they think it will fail. Some here think they are so important because the played EQ or UO back in the day that all mmos need to cater to them to be a success. Wrong! My original point was clear Free Realms is a success so far, plain and simple based on what I see in game. I never claimed it was based on anything more then SOE announcement of 4 million subscribers, numerous great reviews by many game publications, and actual ingame experience since release. I was also making the point none of us including you or Daffid011 have any idea of real numbers and some lame screen shot means nothing about numbers. The original idea was to let the Free Realms doubters know that SOE has hit on a winning idea here. I am not polar opposite of everyone who has played the game. Read the forums here a lot of people love this game. I am the polar opposite to daffid011. If you knew this then this post you dismiss would make more sense. This has been going on with Daffid011 I would say well over a year now. I see you have only been a member of these forums for a little over a year now. Well this stuff about SOE has been going on for about 4 years now. Dealing with this stuff for that long might help you understand some of my points and tone used in my thread . Many here, regardless of how good a SOE game is or how many people enjoy it want to see it fail and will claim it is a failure year after year. There is also no doubt I like to ruffle the "haters" feathers a bit within appropriate forum guide lines. However unlike the "haters" I only comment on games I play. You say that SOE's information is always a spin? Prove it. The Haters have always claimed these things but never proved it. The point I was making is that I do not think everything people post here can be proven or needs to be. We can make up our own minds about what we read especailly when we have actually played the game. You have not even played the game. Try actually playing the game for a week then return here with your proof that Free Realms is a failure as Daffid011 is claiming. Explore other game site and forums you will find a lot of happy Free Realms people. Seems like a success to me. |
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7/08/09 7:50:47 PM#38
Wow.. What an absolutely useless announcement. Registered user's doesn't mean anything, especially in a F2P game. AoC had "1.2 million boxes sold" and WAR had "700k accounts created". Companies release fluff statistics when the real statistics don't show a whole lot of success. I'd be curious to see how many accounts WoW has registered. Truth is if the game was doing amazing you would be hearing it up and down from SOE because we all know the rest of their games aren't doing well. A part of me wants to register an account and see if what Daff said is true(probably is), but the other part of me doesn't want to register an account so that SOE can't use me to fluff useless statistics any further. Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic |
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Originally posted by Abrahmm 4 million registered is not a useless announcement. Regardless of how many subscribe, how many game have 4 million registrations in about two months? Until you play the game I guess you will never know the truth. So you think SOE will announce they now have 4,000,001 players when you register? Remember this is a free to play game so registration number are a bit more important then in subscription only games. While I understand 4 million registered Free Realms players makes less revenues then 4 million World of Warcraft subscription players I would speculate that Free Realms is probably making more money then all the other SOE mmos put together or at least close. I guess it is all in how you define success. I am not the only one who think Free Relms is a hit. From an article in The New York Times: "For Sony Online, Free Realms is a triumph of the company’s own reinvention. Sony Online pioneered the M.M.O. genre with EverQuest, only to see it become close to an afterthought for many gamers after the gobsmacking success of Blizzard Entertainment’s World of Warcraft. In designing its latest hit Sony Online wisely decided not to completely ape WOW or the likes of Club Penguin. Instead Sony has actually managed to provide a little bit of something for just about everyone. That is why the game has already racked up more than a million users since its debut late last month. Free is good. Free Realms is even better." Here is a link to the article: www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/arts/television/21free.html This is from IGN and it does not comment on numbers of actual players. I added it because I respect IGN's game reviews more then any other site. My post was not only about the success of Free Realms but that it is also a lot better game then many think. IGN's review: 9.0 Presentation 9.0 Graphics 7.0 Sound 9.0 Gameplay 8.5 Lasting Appeal 8.8
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7/09/09 9:07:08 AM#40
Originally posted by eccoton 4 million registered is not a useless announcement. Regardless of how many subscribe, how many game have 4 million registrations in about two months?
Every asian grinder made in the last 5 years makes claims of that many or more after the first month. |
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