SOE could somehow make this the greatest game ever, but that would not make the fact that they f*cked over their player base disappear . . .and that's why I don't play it.  I don't give a sh!t how good  the game is now or ever.

Originally posted by Zathoral

 Hello everyone. I started playing SWG the weekend that it came out. It was my first mmorpg, and i was in love with it. Pre-cu was amazing. The amount of freedom that players had to do anything within the world of SWG was unprecedented. Then NGE came along and took a lot of what the players loved away from the game, and as we all know this caused a mass exodus away from the game. I personally hated the changes, but I still loved the game. I chose to leave once so many of my friends had gone. A couple years later i came back for a little stint in the game that lasted 2 or 3 months. Once again I left. The game lacked content at the time. The only thing to do really was to farm comms in Restuss.

Two weeks ago I came back to the game for a second time... And this time I'm amazed. I've been having a blast in the game, and I've never had this much fun since i first started playing back in 2003. SOE has added a lot of great content to the game since i last played. They added heroics to the game which are the new group instances. These instances are relatively easy, but they're all quite fun, and are very rewarding to complete. Furthermore SOE also added battlefields to the game recently. Battlefields have some flaws, but they make getting into the action of PvP much easier, and there are also some really cool rewards that you can earn from battlefields. 

The trading card game was also added since I left. I have mixed feelings on this subject. I personally really enjoy the trading card game, and i'm  one of the few players who actually play it. On the other hand I dislike how SOE added SO MUCH awesome content to the game, but they put it all through the card game instead of giving it to crafters... but that is business... The trading card game is actually quite well done though, and if you like that kind of thing you should definitely try it out.

I believe this month every account gets a free month of SWG including those that haven't been active in years, so this is a great oppurtunity for you vets to try the game again . I was skeptical when I came back 2 weeks ago, but I've been having a blast and there is no way I regret it. 

Unfortunately a lot of servers are dead now, but there is a free character transfer service in effect until september, so I highly recommend transfering over to Starsider or Bria if you start playing. I transfered to Starsider and there are tons of players here.

All you vets should really try the game again. It really is a lot better than it was before. Maybe not quite as good as Pre-cu, but it is very good, and better than all of the other trash themepark mmos that keep coming out every year and always disappoint.

Just be careful trying to insult other games on the market mostly none of them has screwed over their player base the way SOE did I do truly hope you enjoy this steaming pile even with the low pops it has but I won't even be trying this garbage on a trial basis again so have fun!!!

Originally posted by Predator160

hey i played SWG awhile bacl pre cu for around 2 months i thought it was really fun but like most MMORPGS i just lost interest...the only rpgs that have kept my interest over the 3 months period are WoW and Daoc...but after seeing your post I think i might give SWG a shot again...im looking for a good sandbox like Eve but I just cant stand the UI for EVE and the way you dont have direct control over your ship (using WASD).

I think ill give SWG another shot especially if theyre giving everyone a month free! :D

I doubt it'll keep my interest longer than a month or so but I would love to be proved wrong!

you do know swg isn't even remotely close to being sandbox anymore?

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by Predator160

hey i played SWG awhile bacl pre cu for around 2 months i thought it was really fun but like most MMORPGS i just lost interest...the only rpgs that have kept my interest over the 3 months period are WoW and Daoc...but after seeing your post I think i might give SWG a shot again...im looking for a good sandbox like Eve but I just cant stand the UI for EVE and the way you dont have direct control over your ship (using WASD).

I think ill give SWG another shot especially if theyre giving everyone a month free! :D

I doubt it'll keep my interest longer than a month or so but I would love to be proved wrong!

 

you do know swg isn't even remotely close to being sandbox anymore?

 It's a non linear mmorpg with linear character progression, problem is I liked the non linear character progression of the skillbox system. I know my friend who started with WoW woulda loved that too because he loves EVE now purely for the skill system.

Originally posted by Thunderous

There is turnover in WoW.  Players quit, new ones begin.  In Star Wars Galaxies players quit and very few take their place.  The game offers no staying power to retain subscriptions.  SOE and LucasArts put almost no resources or effort into this game and it shows.  There CAN'T be more than 5,000 to 8,000 active players.

I'm afriad that no matter how much you want this to be true due to your obvious hatred of all thing SoE, more and more new and returning players are filling out the ranks of SWG players every day.

I get the chance to speak to many of them in game and there is a recurring trend of SWG seeing an influx of WoW burnouts looking for a more engaging game world to play in, and SWG delivers that.

There is also plenty of sandbox gameplay in SWG, a number of my friends have put together awesome creations via the story teller system and run fun events.

If there are people comming, it could be people that want to "play TOR before TOR is released".  These people will not stay, as for today standards SWG is very rough. 

Originally posted by Thunderous

OP, the problem is that a lot of us "vets" have tried this game, over and over again.  Every time they give us free time we likely log on to check it out.

The real issue is that the game isn't very good.  Combat is lame, the community is tiny, and our freedom has been taken away.  This game is no different than any other themepark/restrictive MMO out there, aside from subtle freedoms remaining from Pre-CU.

I can't possibly fathom how someone can have fun playing SWG for more than a day.  It boggles my mind.  The grind is horrible, the bugs are annoying, the combat is beyond repair, and the game BARELY resembles something Star Wars.

It's easy to blame the "vets" of this game for the lack of population.  However, it's far more accurate to blame the poor mechanics and systems of the game for the lack of players on the servers.  If the majority of people thought Star Wars Galaxies was any fun at all, they would play.  Even with the Station Pass SOE can't get anyone to play this game.

 

/hear

SWG was unique and today with all the changes even with all the optimism in the world.. it STILL IS A WoW clone!

As a vet id say, SWG broke my heart and I'm afraid it'll do it again. After that being said. I'm also checking in now and then to see if the feeling is back. Got a couple new good friends but 3-400 on my old friend list is still offline.

Originally posted by Zathoral 

 

Unfortunately a lot of servers are dead now, but there is a free character transfer service in effect until september, so I highly recommend transfering over to Starsider or Bria if you start playing. I transfered to Starsider and there are tons of players here.

All you vets should really try the game again. It really is a lot better than it was before. Maybe not quite as good as Pre-cu, but it is very good, and better than all of the other trash themepark mmos that keep coming out every year and always disappoint.

So if this game is so awesome, why don't more people play? 

There are millions and millions of players who were not around to experience the nge and a large chunk of them are looking for a new game.  Why are they not playing?  Why are they not being marketed to?

I think the changes to the game the last 4 years have shown that people are not coming back. If people were going to come back they would have already.  The fact that the game is merging servers and people are spot lighting the TWO servers with decent population... again... says the game isn't attracting new players from a pool of millions.

So again I say, if the game was so great, better than the rest of the market as you put it, then it would sell itself and more people would play.

Thank you for your opinions though.

Well SOE can do all they can not to lose the fight agaist Bioware, but Biowares KOTOR will still win. The only way that SOE can win in the future is to fire all employes and change their name then start looking more at what the community says. And also when making a mmo from a movie they should hire entusiasts that love it, not people who just want to make money.

First off, I am not a bitter veteran, but the game cannot be better than ever because you are stil typecast in a class/level stigma with your character.  Sure they have improved many areas, I still play the game, I do space engagements on the weekends is about all. 

The best thing about the old game, if I grew tired of my character, I could just change his skillset.  Now I have no choice in this area at all.

So as long as they have the class/level restrictions, they can never make this game better than it was.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

The best thing about the old game, if I grew tired of my character, I could just change his skillset.  Now I have no choice in this area at all.

You can change your skillset at a Profession Counselor at any time.

Originally posted by patrikd23

Well SOE can do all they can not to lose the fight agaist Bioware, but Biowares KOTOR will still win. The only way that SOE can win in the future is to fire all employes and change their name then start looking more at what the community says. And also when making a mmo from a movie they should hire entusiasts that love it, not people who just want to make money.

Of course SWTOR will get more people the SWG as its a new game with updated graphics and hopefully some fresh ideas in gameplay as well. But  some people really need ot bury the dead and move on.

Originally posted by Zathoral

 Hello everyone. I started playing SWG the weekend that it came out. It was my first mmorpg, and i was in love with it. Pre-cu was amazing. The amount of freedom that players had to do anything within the world of SWG was unprecedented. Then NGE came along and took a lot of what the players loved away from the game, and as we all know this caused a mass exodus away from the game. I personally hated the changes, but I still loved the game. I chose to leave once so many of my friends had gone. A couple years later i came back for a little stint in the game that lasted 2 or 3 months. Once again I left. The game lacked content at the time. The only thing to do really was to farm comms in Restuss.

Two weeks ago I came back to the game for a second time... And this time I'm amazed. I've been having a blast in the game, and I've never had this much fun since i first started playing back in 2003. SOE has added a lot of great content to the game since i last played. They added heroics to the game which are the new group instances. These instances are relatively easy, but they're all quite fun, and are very rewarding to complete. Furthermore SOE also added battlefields to the game recently. Battlefields have some flaws, but they make getting into the action of PvP much easier, and there are also some really cool rewards that you can earn from battlefields. 

The trading card game was also added since I left. I have mixed feelings on this subject. I personally really enjoy the trading card game, and i'm  one of the few players who actually play it. On the other hand I dislike how SOE added SO MUCH awesome content to the game, but they put it all through the card game instead of giving it to crafters... but that is business... The trading card game is actually quite well done though, and if you like that kind of thing you should definitely try it out.

I believe this month every account gets a free month of SWG including those that haven't been active in years, so this is a great oppurtunity for you vets to try the game again . I was skeptical when I came back 2 weeks ago, but I've been having a blast and there is no way I regret it. 

Unfortunately a lot of servers are dead now, but there is a free character transfer service in effect until september, so I highly recommend transfering over to Starsider or Bria if you start playing. I transfered to Starsider and there are tons of players here.

All you vets should really try the game again. It really is a lot better than it was before. Maybe not quite as good as Pre-cu, but it is very good, and better than all of the other trash themepark mmos that keep coming out every year and always disappoint.

In blue - the setup.  "I was just like you.  I can identify with everything that you felt about the game.  So this way, you can trust me."

In red - the pitch, with justifications.  "Things have changed from my perspective, and since we already established that we feel the same way, they will have changed from your perspective too."

In green - the buzzwords.  "great content", "very rewarding", "getting into the action (my personal favorite, as it was considered a justification for the NGE)", "really cool rewards (a Smedley exclusive)", "SOE added SO MUCH awesome content to the game (regardless of the next part of the sentence)... but that is business... (it's ok, SOE, it's perfectly understandable)", "actually quite well done though (because there is SO MUCH awesome content)", "free character transfer service in effect (it was the 'in effect' that caught my eye)".

If I were you, I'd call SOE right now and ask to be put on their payroll for this post.  You certainly earned it.

Originally posted by Kylrathin

Originally posted by Zathoral

 Hello everyone. I started playing SWG the weekend that it came out. It was my first mmorpg, and i was in love with it. Pre-cu was amazing. The amount of freedom that players had to do anything within the world of SWG was unprecedented. Then NGE came along and took a lot of what the players loved away from the game, and as we all know this caused a mass exodus away from the game. I personally hated the changes, but I still loved the game. I chose to leave once so many of my friends had gone. A couple years later i came back for a little stint in the game that lasted 2 or 3 months. Once again I left. The game lacked content at the time. The only thing to do really was to farm comms in Restuss.

Two weeks ago I came back to the game for a second time... And this time I'm amazed. I've been having a blast in the game, and I've never had this much fun since i first started playing back in 2003. SOE has added a lot of great content to the game since i last played. They added heroics to the game which are the new group instances. These instances are relatively easy, but they're all quite fun, and are very rewarding to complete. Furthermore SOE also added battlefields to the game recently. Battlefields have some flaws, but they make getting into the action of PvP much easier, and there are also some really cool rewards that you can earn from battlefields. 

The trading card game was also added since I left. I have mixed feelings on this subject. I personally really enjoy the trading card game, and i'm  one of the few players who actually play it. On the other hand I dislike how SOE added SO MUCH awesome content to the game, but they put it all through the card game instead of giving it to crafters... but that is business... The trading card game is actually quite well done though, and if you like that kind of thing you should definitely try it out.

I believe this month every account gets a free month of SWG including those that haven't been active in years, so this is a great oppurtunity for you vets to try the game again . I was skeptical when I came back 2 weeks ago, but I've been having a blast and there is no way I regret it. 

Unfortunately a lot of servers are dead now, but there is a free character transfer service in effect until september, so I highly recommend transfering over to Starsider or Bria if you start playing. I transfered to Starsider and there are tons of players here.

All you vets should really try the game again. It really is a lot better than it was before. Maybe not quite as good as Pre-cu, but it is very good, and better than all of the other trash themepark mmos that keep coming out every year and always disappoint.

In blue - the setup.  "I was just like you.  I can identify with everything that you felt about the game.  So this way, you can trust me."

In red - the pitch, with justifications.  "Things have changed from my perspective, and since we already established that we feel the same way, they will have changed from your perspective too."

In green - the buzzwords.  "great content", "very rewarding", "getting into the action (my personal favorite, as it was considered a justification for the NGE)", "really cool rewards (a Smedley exclusive)", "SOE added SO MUCH awesome content to the game (regardless of the next part of the sentence)... but that is business... (it's ok, SOE, it's perfectly understandable)", "actually quite well done though (because there is SO MUCH awesome content)", "free character transfer service in effect (it was the 'in effect' that caught my eye)".

If I were you, I'd call SOE right now and ask to be put on their payroll for this post.  You certainly earned it.

Spot on explanation of that post....very insightful!

And yes, it did read exactly like an advertisement.

wow that makes my eyes go funny, i keep poppin back and doing a month here or  there, but thats it - a month i never seem to keep intrest and sub for 2 in a row

Ouch!... all these colors ... must stop.

Please try to use other style. Since the wysiwig editor is somewhat broken, use the code editor. Avoid adding a billion colors.
 
 

Originally posted by Teiman

Ouch!... all these colors ... must stop.

Please try to use other style. Since the wysiwig editor is somewhat broken, use the code editor. Avoid adding a billion colors.
 
 

In Firefox, it looks just fine.  Four colors.  But I think they paint an accurate picture.

Edited to remove my inappropriate comments.

I began 3 days after it launched, I left due to NGE. I have come back a few times but not stuck, until now. What SWG does uniquely, it does better than any MMO out today. Is it as good as PRE NGE, no, never. But it is still a very good, very fun, very deep game. It is on par,or better than most of the stuff on the market today, and I am excited to log in every day again. The player base is great. The transfers made the top servers feel exciting again. The itemization and crafting are better than ever. Combat is ok, not bad, not PRE NGE, but good. Overall it's worth playing again, if for nothing else just to hear the music as you log in :)

Originally posted by Karahandras

oh, come on

I only ever played nge and the game is no longer as good as when i started, it's badly bugged, ill treated and almost no community left(after a 7 month break i logged back in and my 40+friend list had 5 ppl left playing)

there is a reason swg has sub numbers a f2p grindfest would be ashamed of and it has nothing to do with the vets, it is purely down to soe

Just for the sake of argument, but are you the only one who is allowed to take a 7 month break and those 35 aren't? ( ' :

Originally posted by therain93

Originally posted by Karahandras

oh, come on

I only ever played nge and the game is no longer as good as when i started, it's badly bugged, ill treated and almost no community left(after a 7 month break i logged back in and my 40+friend list had 5 ppl left playing)

there is a reason swg has sub numbers a f2p grindfest would be ashamed of and it has nothing to do with the vets, it is purely down to soe

 

Just for the sake of argument, but are you the only one who is allowed to take a 7 month break and those 35 aren't? ( ' :

I can't even bring myself to login free during this vet trial.....