Originally posted by rav3n2

Yes its so funny indeed cause Tasos never lied before!

Man these people are stupid SEAN you and ME , you and ME! we know they can make HTML buttons!

so, if they know how to make HTML buttons I ask you directly why do you think they havent done it yet?

Originally posted by xpiher

In MO the world is tiny making local banks matter, but not as much since it doesn't take that much time to travel.

1. I'd rather have a small, populated world than a large, empty one in a pvp-centric game
2. Even th ough the land masses might be smaller than Darkfalls, according to the first authorized player reviews, they're well designed and difficulty to traverse, making the experince meaninful and immersive.  I bet you can't run up near vertical terrain in Mortal Online like you can in Darkfall:

"The small island we were placed on looks impressive, especially for being a temporary beta test island, and for some reason, I just can’t get over how incredible the sky looks (something I don’t think I’ve ever really noticed in an MMO). Some of the other beta testers and myself had a lot of fun exploring the island and finding a few hidden ruins. Traversing the island is no easy task, so although the island is relatively small, it certainly seems large. Not only are there mountains and other land formations obstructing any straight paths across the island, but navigating the island is very difficult until you’ve walked around it enough to really familiarize yourself with it. At one point, I broke off from the group to do a little solo exploring, and I quickly realized that I had no idea where I was. For me it was a really unique experience in an MMO because there was no radar in the upper corner showing me where I was on the map. There was no arrow pointing the way to go. I was actually lost, which made for a truly immersive experience, and this was only on the tiny test island we were placed on. I can only imagine what the immersion of being lost in a much larger and inhabited world would be like." (source)

and

"
The graphics present the player with a lush jungle environment, with vegetation so thick in some parts, making navigation a feat in itself, without the slightest hit on performance; though granted you will not be able to run Mortal Online with a lower end machine, so it's probably wise to upgrade. The current build despite the entire vegetationial prowess of Mortal Online, still lacks grass. Something which will no doubt add even more visual eye candy to an already impressive sight. There are truly some vistas within the current build that could rival a screenshot from Crysis, with crawling vegetation and distant mountains, complete with a sun that will wane as if hiding behind clouds and then coming back out. The game handles large amounts of players honorably, capable of displaying some 20-30 characters on screen all wearing different custom made armor and weapons without the slightest notice of slowdown. Though granted, once the bloody ragdolls start covering the ground, things do slow down, though it has been noted this is a concern point, and is probably going to be alleviated in the very near future." (source)

 ~Ripper

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by rav3n2

Yes its so funny indeed cause Tasos never lied before!

Man these people are stupid SEAN you and ME , you and ME! we know they can make HTML buttons!

 

so, if they know how to make HTML buttons I ask you directly why do you think they havent done it yet?

You and me both know the answer to that question, HTML buttons are just carebear to put it simple! Hardcore people like you and me type the address on the navbar.

Originally posted by rav3n2

 

You and me both know the answer to that question, HTML buttons are just carebear to put it simple! Hardcore people like you and me type the address on the navbar.

well thanks for not direclty answering my question.

I assume what you are saying is that you think the reason they didnt put an HTML button on the page and not have plans to do so in the near future is becuaes they only want "hard core players".

ok, well...maybe...just maybe the real reason is the reason they have already stated and makes the most sense? no couldnt be!

anyway, break time for me

I don't think anyone WANTS to buy the game anymore.  That's why the store is open 24/7.  Darkfall is loosing more customers than it is getting.

Originally posted by junzo316

I don't think anyone WANTS to buy the game anymore.  That's why the store is open 24/7.  Darkfall is loosing more customers than it is getting.

1. They dont have a "buy now "button on the front page yet. Although most likely tomorrow.

2. Someone a few weeks ago from the main site asked someone at game store about Darkfall and they didnt know what he was refering to.

not saying your wrong, but I am saying we really havent gone into "prime time" yet.
 

Originally posted by junzo316

I don't think anyone WANTS to buy the game anymore.  That's why the store is open 24/7.  Darkfall is loosing more customers than it is getting.

Yup.

Remember the 200-300k forum users that Tasos was referencing as his reason for a "staged" release.  What happened to all those? 

Heh... goes to show you what a bad release will do to you. 

Hopefully DarkFall will be a lesson to future MMOs...

Release the game when it's ready. 

Not Before! 

Unfortunately it doesn't seem to sink in for many MMOs.  Some get pretty close, but many still try the crap release tactic.

Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Originally posted by junzo316

I don't think anyone WANTS to buy the game anymore.  That's why the store is open 24/7.  Darkfall is loosing more customers than it is getting.

 

1. They dont have a "buy now "button on the front page yet. Although most likely tomorrow.

2. Someone a few weeks ago from the main site asked someone at game store about Darkfall and they didnt know what he was refering to.

not saying your wrong, but I am saying we really havent gone into "prime time" yet.
 

The 'buy now' button is a feature that has yet to be implemented. Due to overwhelming demand for the game, and the severe server load, they have been unable to deploy this feature... but it was fully tested by the beta testers, and is the most complete 'buy now' feature ever implemented!!!!

Sarcasm aside. I cant see how anyone was surprised about the whole Darkfall community. These (and many other) boards have been used by the community to show hate and disdain for everything Darkfall, or everything not Darkfall. Did anyone really believe that launching the game would suddenly make these people warm and cuddly?

As it states on the MO forum...

No asset destruction, and no sieging... and they even admited its instanced. Just based on the graphics its going to be years before any company releases a game that looks as good as MO and has the ability to support both sieges and the amount of players in an area that Darkfall can now. Mortal is nice stuff if I never played AoC I would be willing to give that game type a shot.

Seemless world construction was possible 9 years ago, it should be a standard today. I have been following MO for years while I respect them being straight to the point, I play for large wars politics, and I never want to play another game with 3 keshettas. Darkfall is making some amazing changes and we will find out more tomorrow.

At the end of the day play what makes you happy.

Originally posted by xxxfistxxx

As it states on the MO forum...

No asset destruction, and no sieging... and they even admited its instanced. Just based on the graphics its going to be years before any company releases a game that looks as good as MO and has the ability to support both sieges and the amount of players in an area that Darkfall can now. Mortal is nice stuff if I never played AoC I would be willing to give that game type a shot.

Seemless world construction was possible 9 years ago, it should be a standard today. I have been following MO for years while I respect them being straight to the point, I play for large wars politics, and I never want to play another game with 3 keshettas. Darkfall is making some amazing changes and we will find out more tomorrow.

At the end of the day play what makes you happy.

No sieges at launch, but the houses and buildings already have hitpoints and alot of the coding is in place for them.

Second, no they have said many times that they will have NO instancing of the main world, or of the sieges. See here:

www.mortalonline.com/forums/14724-instances-zones-clarification.html#post336550

Please refrain from posting false statements. Thank you. :)

Originally posted by Trenchgun

The community for this game is generally wretched.  

I have played MMO's with many of the guilds in Darkfall since UO in 1997.   I have a very different view of this, and actually find those who dislike Darkfall, but insist on trolling its boards all over the net and creating arguments about a game they claim not to like, as the issue.     If the actual fans of DFO were left alone to discuss and debate the game, the community on the forum would look more like it does in game, which is full of great guilds, dynamic politics and a ton of PvP.   It's a true sandbox and is what you make of it.   Unfortunately, many can't seem to focus on games they may like, but get some type of odd joy in telling others who like a game, why they shouldn't.

-CC

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by Trenchgun

The community for this game is generally wretched.  

 

I have played MMO's with many of the guilds in Darkfall since UO in 1997.   I have a very different view of this, and actually find those who dislike Darkfall, but insist on trolling its boards all over the net and creating arguments about a game they claim not to like, as the issue.     If the actual fans of DFO were left alone to discuss and debate the game, the community on the forum would look more like it does in game, which is full of great guilds, dynamic politics and a ton of PvP.   It's a true sandbox and is what you make of it.   Unfortunately, many can't seem to focus on games they may like, but get some type of odd joy in telling others who like a game, why they shouldn't.

-CC

"Actual fans"?  You mean like some of the misanthropes on the official boards who's responses are generally limited to name calling, swearing and questioning each other's sexuality?  You mean the fans on the "official" boards, which are managed by volunteers with no sense of professionalism?  We'll, you're about to get your wish, since there's a new member's-only board coming.  While it's true that it'll keep out negative trolls, it'll also keep out individuals who've quit the game, but have valuable feedback and constructive criticism.  By ignoring them, the developers all but ensure they'll hear only what they want to, which isn't necessarily good for the game.  Additionally, unless a professional publisher takes over the official boards, you can expect the same ham-handed approach to community management as exists today.

There are trolls on both sides of the fence and there are people who enjoy discussing games.  Forums are for discussion.  Your own comments could be construed as trolling, since you've essentially said "The community is awesome.  it's the trolls who suck.  Only fans deserve to discuss the game.  The game is awesome.  Trolls suck".  You phrased it more politely, but that's the gist of it.  Everybody deservers to discuss and debate the game and with Darkfall and Aventurine, there's a lot to discuss.  I hope other developers and publishers take note of the conversations surrounding Darkfall and learn from Aventurine's mistakes and/or achievements.

On a side note, you said "It's a true sandbox and is what you make of it. "  We've gone over this time and again on these boards.  It's not a true sandbox (yet, although this patch pushes it closer, IMO) and there have been several detailed, valid arguments supporting that point. 

~Ripper

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by Trenchgun

The community for this game is generally wretched.  

 

I have played MMO's with many of the guilds in Darkfall since UO in 1997.   I have a very different view of this, and actually find those who dislike Darkfall, but insist on trolling its boards all over the net and creating arguments about a game they claim not to like, as the issue.     If the actual fans of DFO were left alone to discuss and debate the game, the community on the forum would look more like it does in game, which is full of great guilds, dynamic politics and a ton of PvP.   It's a true sandbox and is what you make of it.   Unfortunately, many can't seem to focus on games they may like, but get some type of odd joy in telling others who like a game, why they shouldn't.

-CC

For some reason, this brought the giggles.  This is an open board where EVERYONE can chime and give THEIR opinion.  Not just the fanbots.  If that is your belief, I think you may be on the wrong forums.  You need the fanbot forum ------------>  That way...

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by Trenchgun

The community for this game is generally wretched.  

 

I have played MMO's with many of the guilds in Darkfall since UO in 1997.   I have a very different view of this, and actually find those who dislike Darkfall, but insist on trolling its boards all over the net and creating arguments about a game they claim not to like, as the issue.     If the actual fans of DFO were left alone to discuss and debate the game, the community on the forum would look more like it does in game, which is full of great guilds, dynamic politics and a ton of PvP.   It's a true sandbox and is what you make of it.   Unfortunately, many can't seem to focus on games they may like, but get some type of odd joy in telling others who like a game, why they shouldn't.

-CC

"the community on the forum would look more like it does in game, which is full of great guilds, dynamic politics and a ton of PvP."

Funny...I was in-game for *months*, and I didn't see any of that. And apparently many other players felt the same way that I felt, as the in-game population dropped like a stone.

So i wonder which one of us had a more accurate view....hummmm,  tough one.......

Originally posted by junzo316

For some reason, this brought the giggles.  This is an open board where EVERYONE can chime and give THEIR opinion.  Not just the fanbots.  If that is your belief, I think you may be on the wrong forums.  You need the fanbot forum ------------>  That way...

Of course.  It's an open board to the extent the moderators find posts and behavior abiding by the TOS.   But there is a very thin line between "an open board for discussion" and the reality of Seytan, as an example.   His reply interested me so I looked up his post history here.  I found 10 pages total of posts.  Every single one was on the Darkfall forum, and his very first post was negative.       So "Open Discussion" is one thing, and a community participant who is here for one reason only, and that is to cast negative posts on a game board he isn't even playing, is quite another.   Just an example you see.

-CC

Originally posted by Seytan

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Seytan - I find your post above to highlight my points very well.

Thank you -CC

 

<Mod Edit>

Now, now Seytan.  Just as you are allowed to voice your opinion of why you don't like the game, CC is allowed the right to voice why she does.  It then becomes a lively debate of pro's and con's.  All opinions are welcome here, as long as their "reasonable".

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by Trenchgun

The community for this game is generally wretched.  

 

I have played MMO's with many of the guilds in Darkfall since UO in 1997.   I have a very different view of this, and actually find those who dislike Darkfall, but insist on trolling its boards all over the net and creating arguments about a game they claim not to like, as the issue.     If the actual fans of DFO were left alone to discuss and debate the game, the community on the forum would look more like it does in game, which is full of great guilds, dynamic politics and a ton of PvP.   It's a true sandbox and is what you make of it.   Unfortunately, many can't seem to focus on games they may like, but get some type of odd joy in telling others who like a game, why they shouldn't.

-CC

 

"the community on the forum would look more like it does in game, which is full of great guilds, dynamic politics and a ton of PvP."

 

Funny...I was in-game for *months*, and I didn't see any of that. And apparently many other players felt the same way that I felt, as the in-game population dropped like a stone.

So i wonder which one of us had a more accurate view....hummmm,  tough one.......

I offered my experience, not yours.

Wouldn't even guess the source of your own experience.   Could of been the guild you picked, or lack of which, allies you had, or lack of which; particular location and enemies/friends; no clue.     Then there is the reference of expectations and attitude.    Let's be honest, a free for all, total loot drop game, is not for every one.     How one person feels about losing, is not the same as another may feel, etc.   One size doesn't fit all.  I respect you had a different experience, but there is no denying the volume of trolling here, and it doesn't end here either.    Trolling has turned out to be very popular, almost like another game to many.

For me, if I don't like a game, or leave one, I leave it.  I don't stick around and make life miserable on boards of games people enjoy.   For example, I highly dislike WoW, yet I've never posted in a wow forum since quitting years ago, nor would I even think of doing so.     Just offering my pov, which I understand a fan is allowed to do also, right?

-CC

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by Hammertime1

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by Trenchgun

The community for this game is generally wretched.  

 

I have played MMO's with many of the guilds in Darkfall since UO in 1997.   I have a very different view of this, and actually find those who dislike Darkfall, but insist on trolling its boards all over the net and creating arguments about a game they claim not to like, as the issue.     If the actual fans of DFO were left alone to discuss and debate the game, the community on the forum would look more like it does in game, which is full of great guilds, dynamic politics and a ton of PvP.   It's a true sandbox and is what you make of it.   Unfortunately, many can't seem to focus on games they may like, but get some type of odd joy in telling others who like a game, why they shouldn't.

-CC

 

"the community on the forum would look more like it does in game, which is full of great guilds, dynamic politics and a ton of PvP."

 

Funny...I was in-game for *months*, and I didn't see any of that. And apparently many other players felt the same way that I felt, as the in-game population dropped like a stone.

So i wonder which one of us had a more accurate view....hummmm,  tough one.......

 

I offered my experience, not yours.

Wouldn't even guess the source of your own experience.   Could of been the guild you picked, or lack of which, allies you had, or lack of which; particular location and enemies/friends; no clue.     Then there is the reference of expectations and attitude.    Let's be honest, a free for all, total loot drop game, is not for every one.     How one person feels about losing, is not the same as another may feel, etc.   One size doesn't fit all.  I respect you had a different experience, but there is no denying the volume of trolling here, and it doesn't end here either.    Trolling has turned out to be very popular, almost like another game to many.

For me, if I don't like a game, or leave one, I leave it.  I don't stick around and make life miserable on boards of games people enjoy.   For example, I highly dislike WoW, yet I've never posted in a wow forum since quitting years ago, nor would I even think of doing so.     Just offering my pov, which I understand a fan is allowed to do also, right?

-CC

I dont care if you played it. Frankly thats a much tried and abused arguement here, you cannot comment if you didnt play. ROFL, koolaidz? I saw, I weighed, and I found it lacking, frankly your thought that only people who have played have a valid viewpoint is laughable at best, and your desperation to make a point is even more amusing.

You are in fact a clone echo of a few that came before you. And your right about one thing, I will never promote this game to friends or family because your community fails. ;}

Originally posted by Seytan

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by junzo316

For some reason, this brought the giggles.  This is an open board where EVERYONE can chime and give THEIR opinion.  Not just the fanbots.  If that is your belief, I think you may be on the wrong forums.  You need the fanbot forum ------------>  That way...

 

Of course.  It's an open board to the extent the moderators find posts and behavior abiding by the TOS.   But there is a very thin line between "an open board for discussion" and the reality of Seytan, as an example.   His reply interested me so I looked up his post history here.  I found 10 pages total of posts.  Every single one was on the Darkfall forum, and his very first post was negative.       So "Open Discussion" is one thing, and a community participant who is here for one reason only, and that is to cast negative posts on a game board he isn't even playing, is quite another.   Just an example you see.

-CC

Ah so now you attack the messenger. Well heres one right back at you, DFO frankly sucks imo. I have been watching the game for some time and had hopes it would fufill its promise. What I saw instead are rabid fanbots like you, and a dishonest company.  THE EXODUS from the game was the final nail in the coffin, I doubt DFO will recover half the pop its going to lose over the NA server debacle. Fight it as you may, it wont make a diff.
 

See how that works? Yep im guessing you are getting paid by the comment. I am still interested in DFO, you see I would like to see if the game even comes close to what it promised.  IF it does I may actually one day try it. Until then I will be enjoying "real" pvp in DAOC, which is quite frankly a much more superior game in respect to pvp.

Oh as a aside, I will be playing MO when it opens. Thought you might want to know, and I will tell you why, because the devs of MO are honest, and they didnt employ a Regiment of "mouths" like you to rabidly promote the game. See how that works, nm, your just a " Mouth".

Seytan,

I'm sorry if you feel attacked.  That is most certainly not my intent.   You appear very aggressive, even to the point of accusing me of working for Aventurine, which is pretty outragous.   You mention you've seen me on VN and now here, so I 'get around", but if you've seen my on VN, then you were there too, so I guess you get around as well, but I don't accuse you of working for Blizzard lol, nor would such a crazy notion enter my mind.

I don't know you at all, so I looked up your post history, as I often do if I am trying to understand the prior game history and reference point of a player.   I was frankly astonished to find all Ten Pages of posts from you to be on this forum, a forum of a game you obviously don't like.    Now I really dont mean to attack you, but can you help me understand how if your entire post history on MMORPG.COM is on a Darkfall Forum, and it's all negative, with almost 500 posts, how is that "Discussion" and not "Trolling" ?

Thank you -CC

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by Seytan

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by junzo316

For some reason, this brought the giggles.  This is an open board where EVERYONE can chime and give THEIR opinion.  Not just the fanbots.  If that is your belief, I think you may be on the wrong forums.  You need the fanbot forum ------------>  That way...

 

Of course.  It's an open board to the extent the moderators find posts and behavior abiding by the TOS.   But there is a very thin line between "an open board for discussion" and the reality of Seytan, as an example.   His reply interested me so I looked up his post history here.  I found 10 pages total of posts.  Every single one was on the Darkfall forum, and his very first post was negative.       So "Open Discussion" is one thing, and a community participant who is here for one reason only, and that is to cast negative posts on a game board he isn't even playing, is quite another.   Just an example you see.

-CC

Ah so now you attack the messenger. Well heres one right back at you, DFO frankly sucks imo. I have been watching the game for some time and had hopes it would fufill its promise. What I saw instead are rabid fanbots like you, and a dishonest company.  THE EXODUS from the game was the final nail in the coffin, I doubt DFO will recover half the pop its going to lose over the NA server debacle. Fight it as you may, it wont make a diff.
 

See how that works? Yep im guessing you are getting paid by the comment. I am still interested in DFO, you see I would like to see if the game even comes close to what it promised.  IF it does I may actually one day try it. Until then I will be enjoying "real" pvp in DAOC, which is quite frankly a much more superior game in respect to pvp.

Oh as a aside, I will be playing MO when it opens. Thought you might want to know, and I will tell you why, because the devs of MO are honest, and they didnt employ a Regiment of "mouths" like you to rabidly promote the game. See how that works, nm, your just a " Mouth".

 

Seytan,

I'm sorry if you feel attacked.  That is most certainly not my intent.   You appear very aggressive, even to the point of accusing me of working for Aventurine, which is pretty outragous.   You mention you've seen me on VN and now here, so I 'get around", but if you've seen my on VN, then you were there too, so I guess you get around as well, but I don't accuse you of working for Blizzard lol, nor would such a crazy notion enter my mind.

I don't know you at all, so I looked up your post history, as I often do if I am trying to understand the prior game history and reference point of a player.   I was frankly astonished to find all Ten Pages of posts from you to be on this forum, a forum of a game you obviously don't like.    Now I really dont mean to attack you, but can you help me understand how if your entire post history on MMORPG.COM is on a Darkfall Forum, and it's all negative, with almost 500 posts, how is that "Discussion" and not "Trolling" ?

Thank you -CC

Me? Attacked? LMAO! You expressed a desire to be in a forum that didnt have dissent. Seems to me its you who needs to find the right home.  Lets cut to the chase shall we? Below is your quote...
 

I have a very different view of this, and actually find those who dislike Darkfall, but insist on trolling its boards all over the net and creating arguments about a game they claim not to like, as the issue.

Seems to me you came here with one intent...to do precisely what you endeavour to accuse detractors of the game of. BTW all over the net? Just how many forums do you visit every day promoting DFO?

Seytan,

I appear of made a mistake.   You don't have Ten Pages of posts in the DFO forum, but 43.

I didn't come to this forum with any purpose or agenda, just to see what folks were saying about the recent news, given the huge content in the expansion.

Any way, I could only read a small number of your 500+ posts and it's not clear to me you ever even bought this game.

I'll leave the trolling question up to a moderator, and leave this thread at this time.

Good night. -CC

Keep the comments to debating the points, and toss-out the personal comments.

FYI - labeling another member a nazi is typically a great way to earn a ban, please refrain from doing so.

Originally posted by Trenchgun

That's no doubt a big reason of why they are failing. An immature crowd of [people] who don't see this as an MMORPG but merely as a griefing engine and/or powertripping opportunity. The average player is immature, and out to ruin the play experience of everyone else so they can [relish in] the anguish of others, and they're willing to employ any means of exploiting, hacking, and/or macroing to achieve an unfair advantage.

[Mod Edit'd]

I don't know what game you're playing, but you're describing the MINORITY of people playing Darkfall. 
 

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by Trenchgun

The community for this game is generally wretched.  

 

I have played MMO's with many of the guilds in Darkfall since UO in 1997.   I have a very different view of this, and actually find those who dislike Darkfall, but insist on trolling its boards all over the net and creating arguments about a game they claim not to like, as the issue.     If the actual fans of DFO were left alone to discuss and debate the game, the community on the forum would look more like it does in game, which is full of great guilds, dynamic politics and a ton of PvP.   It's a true sandbox and is what you make of it.   Unfortunately, many can't seem to focus on games they may like, but get some type of odd joy in telling others who like a game, why they shouldn't.

-CC

Actualy most of the (current and future) trolls are ex Darkfall players and fans, who felt they had been lied to and misled by Tasos and his dev team.   Agree they should stop trolling the boards once they leave,  just do not be so naive as to think random folk who have never followed or played the game just drop by to make trouble on the offical boards.

Personaly I have never seen a worse community then the one in Darkfall, but I have to give props to the rabid fan boy mentality the game creates in its purest fans .... just fascinating, and it shows that even though the game is not for everyone, it definatly caters to its target niche.

Originally posted by Earthgirl

Originally posted by ChinaCat

Originally posted by Trenchgun

The community for this game is generally wretched.  

 

I have played MMO's with many of the guilds in Darkfall since UO in 1997.   I have a very different view of this, and actually find those who dislike Darkfall, but insist on trolling its boards all over the net and creating arguments about a game they claim not to like, as the issue.     If the actual fans of DFO were left alone to discuss and debate the game, the community on the forum would look more like it does in game, which is full of great guilds, dynamic politics and a ton of PvP.   It's a true sandbox and is what you make of it.   Unfortunately, many can't seem to focus on games they may like, but get some type of odd joy in telling others who like a game, why they shouldn't.

-CC

 

Actualy most of the (current and future) trolls are ex Darkfall players and fans, who felt they had been lied to and misled by Tasos and his dev team.   Agree they should stop trolling the boards once they leave,  just do not be so naive as to think random folk who have never followed or played the game just drop by to make trouble on the offical boards.

Personaly I have never seen a worse community then the one in Darkfall, but I have to give props to the rabid fan boy mentality the game creates in its purest fans .... just fascinating, and it shows that even though the game is not for everyone, it definatly caters to its target niche.

It's a very difficult task to quantify whether the trolls are "mostly" former subscribers, or not.   I don't have time or desire to review peoples post history, but when out of curiousity I did on a few angry posters, I actually found they never played DFO, yet post here all the time.   I can't quantify it, but I am hardly naive.      It appeared you were sensible until you categorized any one who actually likes DFO as "rabid fan boy".      There was no need for that, but hey, guess when in Rome...

-CC