Originally posted by sanders01

 When did seeing boobies, penises  and vaginas make you mature lol

Pretty sure the idea is that you're supposed to have to be mature to buy the game...as in,  the game is targeted at an older audience. You know...the kind who can buy tobacco, alcohol and porn.

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by sanders01

 When did seeing boobies, penises  and vaginas make you mature lol

Pretty sure the idea is that you're supposed to have to be mature to buy the game...as in,  the game is targeted at an older audience. You know...the kind who can buy tobacco, alcohol and porn.

Digital downloads, hard to check an ID online.

Originally posted by sanders01

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by sanders01

 When did seeing boobies, penises  and vaginas make you mature lol

Pretty sure the idea is that you're supposed to have to be mature to buy the game...as in,  the game is targeted at an older audience. You know...the kind who can buy tobacco, alcohol and porn.

Digital downloads, hard to check an ID online.

yeah, I know. But with full nudity, they're going to HAVE to deal with an AO rating, and will have to have at least token age verification for purchase.

Not saying it'll actually screen the kiddies out, but the fact remains that it will be a product designed for a "mature" audience.

Originally posted by sanders01

 When did seeing boobies, penises  and vaginas make you mature lol

mm i guess i was mature when my mother was breast feeding me lol

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by jonrd463

 

 Want proof? What would you do if Star Vault announced tomorrow that there will be permanent underwear? Would that affect your enjoyment of the game?

No actually it wouldn't.  But why stop there?? Why not add maps with little markers above the heads of the NPCs, and glowing dotted lines you can follow to the quest objective, and pink fairies that come and whisk you away to safety as you are about to die, and flying mythical mounts with magic fucking bells that spread joy to all that see them...
 

 

Completely and totally irrelevant. Nudity is cosmetic. It has nothing to do with gameplay. At all. All those things do described do.

It's not irrelevant at all. It's a contributing factor in the overall realistic atmosphere that the game is trying to offer. The whole is the sum of it's parts (and no puns intended here). You make ONE concession, you might as well go all the way and just re-design the game.
 

 

So what you're saying, by using this slippery slope argument as your basis, is that if SV removed nudity, it would adversely affect your enjoyment of the game?

 

what I was trying to ILLUSTRATE with an exaggerative scenario (go back to wikipedia and re-read the definition of a slippery slope fallacy...I was just WAITING for you to try that argument) was that one element of realism is just as important as any other when a collective effect is desired. Every grain of sand contributes to the beach. Yes you could remove one...but why pick any particular one over another? Unless of course you had personal issues with that one aspect of realism.

 

Regardless of whether or not it's a true slippery slope fallacy, your example is most definitely a non sequitir. But that's beside the point. The addition or subtraction of full frontal nudity in a sword and sorcery game has no bearing on the gameplay, except to the extent that it's used to do stupid shit like teabag or naked zergs for the lulz. Neither of which are realistic.

And speaking of realism, why in the hell is that even an issue in a game where you resurrect every time you're killed? If we're to take this realism thing to its logical conclusion, I say when you die in the game, it's permadeath, and you have to start a new character from scratch. That's both realistic and hardcore, but I guarantee you won't see too many people in favor of that.

But again... nudity equating to realism in the game is still complete bullshit. I have more respect for the ones saying outright that they'll teabag and fight with no pants or whatever, because they're at least being honest, instead of pissing in the sky and insisting it's rain.

This reminds me of how they painted over the sistine chapel's ceiling due to how profane it was.

Haha...

Originally posted by Laughing-man

This reminds me of how they painted over the sistine chapel's ceiling due to how profane it was.

Haha...

A horrible defacement of art, if you ask me. Of course, we're also talking about static figures in a painting that don't run around the starting zones being naked just because... Which brings me to my entire point. Nudity in the game isn't bad. It's what we all know a few people will do with it to make it bad for everyone. Society today simply cannot have nice things.

long story short... who cares if u can see fluffy pillows of joy in unrestricted enjoyment (aka naked topless females) a game is a game. any gamer knows 90% of the time that female toon is a male player.. so yes you can stare but at the same time.... why would you O_O"??

if they remove it to lower the gamer rating Owell... who cares being topless is not going to make your weapon do more damage or allow you to have increases states or survive pvp/battles better its simply a cosmetic thing like putting nail polish on ur toon... simply there to make u look diffrent... i totally would expect to see tit-zilla with a chest size of 56ZZ swinging some long wooden sword.

you guys are arguing over pointless junk im sure they will add in an option to block it out.. not hard really you could setup an ingame graphic option to disable Adult contect im sure. but the main thing is it wont do anything. it will give people some giggles and laughs for a few weeks/month(s) then become like everything else.... boring first little bit WOOT wow look at the chest on that one.. few weeks later... MEH who cares DIE DIE DIE!!!... ect.

if MO keeps the FFN cool. if they remove it.. sucks but life goes on... get a GF/wife and stare at hers all day im sure if you suck up to her enough she would sit topless while you game..... maybe...

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by Laughing-man

This reminds me of how they painted over the sistine chapel's ceiling due to how profane it was.

Haha...

 

A horrible defacement of art, if you ask me. Of course, we're also talking about static figures in a painting that don't run around the starting zones being naked just because... Which brings me to my entire point. Nudity in the game isn't bad. It's what we all know a few people will do with it to make it bad for everyone. Society today simply cannot have nice things.

Hey I agree with you, someones going to ruin it for everyone else.

I still would like to see them continually push to get more and more realistic and more artistic with their graphic art design.

Maybe someday we will have a sistine chapel of video games.

Originally posted by Hrothmund

Do you know how many 'children' over the age of 30 are playing WoW at the moment?

Lets face facts here, Generation X on are very childish generations (and a lot of the Baby Boomers too).  The 1980's created a "me society" that generally turned us all into a bunch of old children.

Look at the divorce rate, the crap we buy, and how we live our lives.  REAL adults make sacrifices, what we have now is a bunch of children who divorce because they don't feel puppy love any more, buy new espensive crap on credit every year and "save" in a 401K that fluctuates with the market, and whine incessently while living a totally passive lifestyle.

I look at my parents and I am sickened by my cohorts.  My father and mother both worked jobs they hated their entire lives, stayed together through a loveless marriage, and actually saved money because they have a sense of responsibility and sacrifice (By the way, they had 4 kids too).

How many 30 year-olds do you know who are truly responsible?

My father and mother are now both retired and even if they did not have pensions, they would be fine because you know why?  Instead of buying a new iPod, iPhone, large screen TV, or whatever crap made in China they try to force us into consuming, they made due with what they had.  They saved their money, not in get rich quick schemes in the stock market, but in T-Bills, bonds, and savings accounts.  (So when the dot.com bubble crashed, they stilll had their savings.  When the credit market crashed, they still have their savings.)  Responsibility and more importantly SACRIFICE are two values that no longer exist in our society.

So to answer your question, I know a lot of mental children over the age of 30.

(Sorry to take it off track a bit)

As to the thread, I support full frontal nudity in video games.  Why is mass murder more acceptable than a little cock n balls?  (I never said I was not childlike like the rest of my generation, just some self-criticism)

Originally posted by Moretrinkets

blah blah blah, obviously the devs want to hype the game here. anyways, I care less. But chances are they will censor full frontal (at least for US) on the last minute and put some loincloth. we know that in US a naked man is wrong.

Of course we do!! That's because we always think of the CHIL-DE-REN!!...<snicker>  Given the pathetic perspective of much of the country(blowing peoples heads off, or waterboarding them...) is ok, but any T&A and the hysteria kicks in.  Dev's have to pander to such idiocy. Otherwise grandstanding politicians and self appointed busy bodies get in to the act.

If you freak out over pixelated penis or breasts, then you have a lot of maturing to do and maybe once you get out of middle school you'll realize that a representation of a naked body in a video game that's supposedly made for adults isn't that big of a deal.

Then again... I suppose with the U.S. having such a culture that glorifies violence, rape, tits (but never man parts) and corruption but freaks over full frontal nudity (especially in the case of the male body) ... maybe I shouldn't be too surprised that people are screaming "OMG I DON'T WANT TO SEE A PIXELATED PENIS IT'S SICK DUDE!"

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

If you freak out over pixelated penis or breasts, then you have a lot of maturing to do and maybe once you get out of middle school you'll realize that a representation of a naked body in a video game that's supposedly made for adults isn't that big of a deal.

 

Then again... I suppose with the U.S. having such a culture that glorifies violence, rape, tits (but never man parts) and corruption but freaks over full frontal nudity (especially in the case of the male body) ... maybe I shouldn't be too surprised that people are screaming "OMG I DON'T WANT TO SEE A PIXELATED PENIS IT'S SICK DUDE!"

 

 

So how does the option of a pixel penis improve game play?

It is made in Sweden, the pioneers of commercial porn, what do you expect?

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

If you freak out over pixelated penis or breasts, then you have a lot of maturing to do and maybe once you get out of middle school you'll realize that a representation of a naked body in a video game that's supposedly made for adults isn't that big of a deal.

 

Then again... I suppose with the U.S. having such a culture that glorifies violence, rape, tits (but never man parts) and corruption but freaks over full frontal nudity (especially in the case of the male body) ... maybe I shouldn't be too surprised that people are screaming "OMG I DON'T WANT TO SEE A PIXELATED PENIS IT'S SICK DUDE!"

 

 

 

So how does the option of a pixel penis improve game play?

easy, if you play with Mr. Happy hanging out, you take triple damage :) they should include full dismemberment as well. force teabaggers to really take a risk.

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

If you freak out over pixelated penis or breasts, then you have a lot of maturing to do and maybe once you get out of middle school you'll realize that a representation of a naked body in a video game that's supposedly made for adults isn't that big of a deal.

 

Then again... I suppose with the U.S. having such a culture that glorifies violence, rape, tits (but never man parts) and corruption but freaks over full frontal nudity (especially in the case of the male body) ... maybe I shouldn't be too surprised that people are screaming "OMG I DON'T WANT TO SEE A PIXELATED PENIS IT'S SICK DUDE!"

 

 

 

So how does the option of a pixel penis improve game play?

Immersion? For me, it's unrealistic when I strip off my characters armor and they're wearing unremovable underwear.  No, I wouldn't be the type to run around naked in the middle of town or cyber,  but I like gritty realism.

And frankly I do think you should be able to get limbs (and genitals) cut off if you try to fight without armor.

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

Originally posted by jonrd463

Originally posted by KaitarBesh

If you freak out over pixelated penis or breasts, then you have a lot of maturing to do and maybe once you get out of middle school you'll realize that a representation of a naked body in a video game that's supposedly made for adults isn't that big of a deal.

 

Then again... I suppose with the U.S. having such a culture that glorifies violence, rape, tits (but never man parts) and corruption but freaks over full frontal nudity (especially in the case of the male body) ... maybe I shouldn't be too surprised that people are screaming "OMG I DON'T WANT TO SEE A PIXELATED PENIS IT'S SICK DUDE!"

 

 

 

So how does the option of a pixel penis improve game play?

 

Immersion? For me, it's unrealistic when I strip off my characters armor and they're wearing unremovable underwear.  No, I wouldn't be the type to run around naked in the middle of town or cyber,  but I like gritty realism.

 

And frankly I do think you should be able to get limbs (and genitals) cut off if you try to fight without armor.

So if they decided it would be more financially prodent to go with permanent underwear in order to market the game in a wider range of countries, would that affect your gameplay?

Originally posted by jonrd463

 And speaking of realism, why in the hell is that even an issue in a game where you resurrect every time you're killed? If we're to take this realism thing to its logical conclusion, I say when you die in the game, it's permadeath, and you have to start a new character from scratch. That's both realistic and hardcore, but I guarantee you won't see too many people in favor of that.

 

But again... nudity equating to realism in the game is still complete bullshit. I have more respect for the ones saying outright that they'll teabag and fight with no pants or whatever, because they're at least being honest, instead of pissing in the sky and insisting it's rain.

Hey dude, I'm ALL FOR permadeath. I've been wanting a permadeath game for a long time.

I like my games realistic.

Furthermore...I obviously don't give a flaming SHIT what you or others think of me, so why would I fabricate my reasoning for agreeing with the decision to add nudity to MO? If I wanted to wack it, I would admit it. And If you remember right, I DID admit that I love tea-bagging people I kill....especially in front of their friends. Maybe you'll be tasting my pixelated parts before you know it.

But seriously....I like the idea of nudity in a game for the sake of realism. Bring on permadeath, dismemberment, permenant stat loss due to scars, the whole nine yards. Games can't get realistic enough for me.

Just a little bit of info for you guys, the game is not likely to be rated at all by ESRB / PEGI. Reason? It's released online. Most stores will only sell games with a certain rating, but since it wont be sold in stores it doesn't need a rating. A rating by ESRB / PEGI is not mandatory.

Another thing: Censoring the US version?? You know there will only be one version on release right? And thats not a US one. US players will be playing on a European server, like Darkfall.

Originally posted by Lille7

Just a little bit of info for you guys, the game is not likely to be rated at all by ESRB / PEGI. Reason? It's released online. Most stores will only sell games with a certain rating, but since it wont be sold in stores it doesn't need a rating. A rating by ESRB / PEGI is not mandatory.

 

Another thing: Censoring the US version?? You know there will only be one version on release right? And thats not a US one. US players will be playing on a European server, like Darkfall.

Yet another good reason to pass on this game. Playing a PvP game on servers in Europe... Even with a 10 meg cable connection, thats not going to be a pleasant experience. 

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by jonrd463

 And speaking of realism, why in the hell is that even an issue in a game where you resurrect every time you're killed? If we're to take this realism thing to its logical conclusion, I say when you die in the game, it's permadeath, and you have to start a new character from scratch. That's both realistic and hardcore, but I guarantee you won't see too many people in favor of that.

 

But again... nudity equating to realism in the game is still complete bullshit. I have more respect for the ones saying outright that they'll teabag and fight with no pants or whatever, because they're at least being honest, instead of pissing in the sky and insisting it's rain.

 

Hey dude, I'm ALL FOR permadeath. I've been wanting a permadeath game for a long time.

I like my games realistic.

Furthermore...I obviously don't give a flaming SHIT what you or others think of me, so why would I fabricate my reasoning for agreeing with the decision to add nudity to MO? If I wanted to wack it, I would admit it. And If you remember right, I DID admit that I love tea-bagging people I kill....especially in front of their friends. Maybe you'll be tasting my pixelated parts before you know it.

But seriously....I like the idea of nudity in a game for the sake of realism. Bring on permadeath, dismemberment, permenant stat loss due to scars, the whole nine yards. Games can't get realistic enough for me.

 

I'll respect your desire to prove your manliness by teabagging your defeated foe in the honesty that it's given. I still haven't seen enough support to justify the realism from a gameplay perspective, so I still think the realism argument is contrived bullshit, but hey, that's just me.
 

And just to reiterate, I don't care that there's nudity in the game at all. It has absolutely no bearing on gameplay for me. It's as insignificant as... well, whether or not lanterns have color tinted glass or some other insignificant detail. I just enjoy tweaking people's rationalizations because it's fun to see them get worked up over something so utterly superfluous in a game about killing people and taking their stuff. :D

Blood and gore upsets no one here, but some nudity and there you have q lot of players upset one way or another...

Really. who cares? This game have a lot of more interesting "features" to discuss than this.

Funny BTW that Mythic cut out the Daemonettes and other Slaanesh worshippers from WAR, I guess they were considered "mature". To quote Mrs Lovejoy "Will no one think of the children?"

Originally posted by Database82

Originally posted by lornj

age of conan already did this. no biggie.

 

US version was censored though. I'm not really certain about this element in game though, last thing was I wanna see is a bunch guys streaking through town because you know it's going to happen.

Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

The US version was not censored. I'm sure someone else covered this, but I am not sifting through 7 pages. Have a winner!

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

Originally posted by jonrd463

 And speaking of realism, why in the hell is that even an issue in a game where you resurrect every time you're killed? If we're to take this realism thing to its logical conclusion, I say when you die in the game, it's permadeath, and you have to start a new character from scratch. That's both realistic and hardcore, but I guarantee you won't see too many people in favor of that.

 

But again... nudity equating to realism in the game is still complete bullshit. I have more respect for the ones saying outright that they'll teabag and fight with no pants or whatever, because they're at least being honest, instead of pissing in the sky and insisting it's rain.

 

Hey dude, I'm ALL FOR permadeath. I've been wanting a permadeath game for a long time. 

I too have been waiting for permadeath. If people are so concerned about losing valuable finds, then make vaults per account instead of per character. Easily solvable.

The day permadeath shows up in a game is the day I finally get excited about an MMO.

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Originally posted by Moretrinkets
say goodbye to the penis for the US version, it ain't gonna happen unless they rate the game A for adult and we know that wont happen either

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I have to agree this is likely, America has no problem with endless violence but nudity is taboo. Sad and pathetic really.