Originally posted by Kshahdoo

Nah, bullcrap. Too many design flaws the game has to believe in sad fairy-tale about good developers and bad stupid publisher... Mythic just don't understand what should be taken to make a big successful game. Period.

*agreed

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Originally posted by TheHavok
and generally not meeting the standards of an mmorpg released in 2008-2009. Was it Mythic's fault? 
 

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as a huge DAoC fan i couldn't really get into WAR. but also as a general mmorpg fan that has tried every other game released since WoW...what game DID meet the standards of an mmorpg ?
WAR isn't a bad game at all. I can't think of another game released in the past few years thats better. PotBS? Vanguard? AOC? Tabula Rasa? Spellborn? Darkfall? big no to all. Aion, Fallen Earth you think? played them both and bigger no to both.

it gets a bad rap for alot of things, some being valid, others just being that at this point in time, alot of mmorpg fans are jus disheartedned and bored at the entire genre. (which is why this whole aion fad has me so puzzled...the only draw it has is..its a new game to grind)

I never thought WAR was that horrible but apparently mmo companies need to start hiring accountants to learn how to budget themselves. Design flaws and bad character imbalances didn't help either.

Myself I like War. Liked Wow as well.

The end game on both get a bit time consuming so I have been playing different characters up to 40 and then PVPing

A game is what you make it. Trying to change it into something else doesnt work even for Devs most times (See SWG)

In the end with a few minor differences every MMO out there is the same. You level. You get gear. You maybe read the quests.

Perhaps with the advent of voice acting in quest givers and games like STO where you will collect and level up minions (bridge officers) instead of gear will add some new flavor.... we will see.

Originally posted by spyder2k5

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by spyder2k5

Originally posted by Daffid011

You keep saying the game is not boring and has the same features as others, but the one consistant message I have gotten from people who have left is that the game just wasn't fun.  It isn't the "same quests as other games" or PQs layered in awesome sauce as you put it.

Most of the game is shallow and lack luster.  Even the main selling point of the game is plagued with problems and only randomly is fun. 

 

I could not argue with anyone who said that game is boring, because I think they are right.  Fun can be had, but it isn't like other games where fun is everywhere. 

 

There are those that do not like it but they are few. The game is as fun as you make it and mix things up.

 

What? You mean few "among those that are left" I assume? Well over half the people that tried it decided not to play anymore. Clearly there's "many" who do not like it.

 

That doesn't mean the game is not fun fo rthose who stay but to say there are "few" who do not like it is simply not true.

 

For each person that leaves, 10 more try it and at least half stay. Move on troll.

Well, thats a flat-out lie.

How many servers have closed since release?...not even a year yet and were on our 2nd forced move due to them closing our server twice with a 3rd move on the horizon thanks to the mass exodus caused by lotd.

How many new servers have opened to accommodate this massive and mythical influx of new players?....well, none.

Christ, if your going to lie at least try and make it sound plausible.

Originally posted by NegativeJoe

 

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Originally posted by TheHavok
and generally not meeting the standards of an mmorpg released in 2008-2009. Was it Mythic's fault? 
 

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as a huge DAoC fan i couldn't really get into WAR. but also as a general mmorpg fan that has tried every other game released since WoW...what game DID meet the standards of an mmorpg ?
WAR isn't a bad game at all. I can't think of another game released in the past few years thats better. PotBS? Vanguard? AOC? Tabula Rasa? Spellborn? Darkfall? big no to all. Aion, Fallen Earth you think? played them both and bigger no to both.

it gets a bad rap for alot of things, some being valid, others just being that at this point in time, alot of mmorpg fans are jus disheartedned and bored at the entire genre. (which is why this whole aion fad has me so puzzled...the only draw it has is..its a new game to grind)

Couldn't agree more.

Originally posted by Wizardry

I think the op is a little on and a little off on some analogies.

For one thing Blizzard copied the entire WOW game from EQ,there was nothing to do with patience or anytrhing for that matter,they followed SOE so closely,they even rushed WOW out the doors when SOE released EQ2 a little sooner than stated.

As far as EA pleasing their stock holders,or whoever is in charge of the finaces,i would say that is a no brainer from EVERY developer.I would bet 99% of the games we see today have all been rushed out the door or content removed or unfinished because the stock holders want a release to start making money on their investments.

I was turned off from WAR as soon as i heard them talk about streamlining crafting,that told me right away they were getting rushed and did not want to spend any time on it.

As for Starcraft 2 ,blizzard is not taking their time ,it has nothing to do with polish or trying to make a better game.This is a fact because Blizzard actually CANCELLED SC2 twice already,because they are still afraid to be a leader and realize there old game engine rehashing is becoming tiresome amongst players.If Blizzard was so confident that all it took was spending the time and effort,they would have never cancelled it in the first place,they are a second rate developer IMO,they REALLY need to copy ideas or steal staff from REAL developers to actually succeed.

The other reason it took SC2 so long to formalize,is becuase they had no money to take risks.They finally got a ton of cash from WOW subs,it makes the risk feasable,however any half witted marketing firm knows that right now there is a VERY small market to draw players from.Spending more time on your project ,especially one as weak as the starcraft 2 game engine,you are not going to reap large rewards for your investment.A game like SC2 would actually serve the developer better to just whip it out,it is not a hi tech game that needs polish nor does it involve any game breaking ideas,it is just a so so game,very average old tech game.

Weak engine? I've seen the battle reports and SC2 is anything but weak. As for limited appeal, SC is just about the Korean national religion ^^ They are going totally nuts over SC2.   You should have seen the reaction to the news that SC2 will be be released in three parts. They had a LOT of VERY happy Koreans.

Originally posted by Wraithone

Weak engine? I've seen the battle reports and SC2 is anything but weak. As for limited appeal, SC is just about the Korean national religion ^^ They are going totally nuts over SC2.   You should have seen the reaction to the news that SC2 will be be released in three parts. They had a LOT of VERY happy Koreans.

Very few of Blizzards gfx engines were state of the art. All the Warcraft versions, including WoW, had an old and outdated gfx engine so it would not surprise me if SC 2 too has an old gfx engine.

Gfx has never been Blizzards strength. Designing stable, casual games for the masses has been (and still is).

Originally posted by spyder2k5

Originally posted by Pheace

Originally posted by spyder2k5

Originally posted by Daffid011

You keep saying the game is not boring and has the same features as others, but the one consistant message I have gotten from people who have left is that the game just wasn't fun.  It isn't the "same quests as other games" or PQs layered in awesome sauce as you put it.

Most of the game is shallow and lack luster.  Even the main selling point of the game is plagued with problems and only randomly is fun. 

 

I could not argue with anyone who said that game is boring, because I think they are right.  Fun can be had, but it isn't like other games where fun is everywhere. 

 

There are those that do not like it but they are few. The game is as fun as you make it and mix things up.

 

What? You mean few "among those that are left" I assume? Well over half the people that tried it decided not to play anymore. Clearly there's "many" who do not like it.

 

That doesn't mean the game is not fun fo rthose who stay but to say there are "few" who do not like it is simply not true.

 

For each person that leaves, 10 more try it and at least half stay. Move on troll.

So for every person that quits, 5 people subscribe? 

Right, the game is doing so well that EA just decided to fire Mark Jacobs? 

I can point to the game officially losing at least 500,000 subscribers.  According to you they must have gained 2.5 million right?

The game was not fun as a result of people not playing it right as you try to imply.  The game design just didn't mesh well and resulted in gameplay that is subpar to many other games, so people left. 

Originally posted by NegativeJoe

 

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Originally posted by TheHavok
and generally not meeting the standards of an mmorpg released in 2008-2009. Was it Mythic's fault? 
 

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as a huge DAoC fan i couldn't really get into WAR. but also as a general mmorpg fan that has tried every other game released since WoW...what game DID meet the standards of an mmorpg ?
WAR isn't a bad game at all. I can't think of another game released in the past few years thats better. PotBS? Vanguard? AOC? Tabula Rasa? Spellborn? Darkfall? big no to all. Aion, Fallen Earth you think? played them both and bigger no to both.

it gets a bad rap for alot of things, some being valid, others just being that at this point in time, alot of mmorpg fans are jus disheartedned and bored at the entire genre. (which is why this whole aion fad has me so puzzled...the only draw it has is..its a new game to grind)

I disagree about Fallen Earth. The graphics arent all that great, but the game is groundbreaking in its creativitiy and as immersive as EQ1 was. BUT, you have to enjoy a post apocalyptic type setting to enjoy the game. There arent any elves or majestic castles; instead there are trailer partks and junkyards where you scavenge for scrap metal to make guns. 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by spyder2k5

For each person that leaves, 10 more try it and at least half stay. Move on troll.

So for every person that quits, 5 people subscribe? 

 

Right, the game is doing so well that EA just decided to fire Mark Jacobs? 

I can point to the game officially losing at least 500,000 subscribers.  According to you they must have gained 2.5 million right? 

LOL its a good thing that share holders can sue random people for making "false positives"....

I know they said at one point they had 750,000 subs and the last official numbers I saw were 300,000.  Mark Jacobs had claimed numbers were increasing... and when he departed officially the numbers were "down" but I had not seen any reference to a total.

So yes they lost at leat 450,000 and supposedly X amount more (no idea how many).

So yes by the statement made they would have 2,550,000'ish subs at a minimum right now...

Originally posted by Antarious

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by spyder2k5

For each person that leaves, 10 more try it and at least half stay. Move on troll.

So for every person that quits, 5 people subscribe? 

 

Right, the game is doing so well that EA just decided to fire Mark Jacobs? 

I can point to the game officially losing at least 500,000 subscribers.  According to you they must have gained 2.5 million right? 

 

 

LOL its a good thing that share holders can sue random people for making "false positives"....

 

I know they said at one point they had 750,000 subs and the last official numbers I saw were 300,000.  Mark Jacobs had claimed numbers were increasing... and when he departed officially the numbers were "down" but I had not seen any reference to a total.

 

So yes they lost at leat 450,000 and supposedly X amount more (no idea how many).

 

So yes by the statement made they would have 2,550,000'ish subs at a minimum right now...

Are you all ignorant? Or just plain stupid? I am talking now, not then. Common sense would tell you, that unlike you sheep, I speak in present tense, and speak of the here and now, not of past issues, or statements.

Originally posted by spyder2k5

Originally posted by Antarious

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by spyder2k5

For each person that leaves, 10 more try it and at least half stay. Move on troll.

So for every person that quits, 5 people subscribe? 

 

Right, the game is doing so well that EA just decided to fire Mark Jacobs? 

I can point to the game officially losing at least 500,000 subscribers.  According to you they must have gained 2.5 million right? 

 

 

LOL its a good thing that share holders can sue random people for making "false positives"....

 

I know they said at one point they had 750,000 subs and the last official numbers I saw were 300,000.  Mark Jacobs had claimed numbers were increasing... and when he departed officially the numbers were "down" but I had not seen any reference to a total.

 

So yes they lost at leat 450,000 and supposedly X amount more (no idea how many).

 

So yes by the statement made they would have 2,550,000'ish subs at a minimum right now...

 

Are you all ignorant? Or just plain stupid? I am talking now, not then. Common sense would tell you, that unlike you sheep, I speak in present tense, and speak of the here and now, not of past issues, or statements.

You speak of fantasy,while others speak of reality.

Originally posted by spyder2k5

Originally posted by Antarious

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by spyder2k5

For each person that leaves, 10 more try it and at least half stay. Move on troll.

So for every person that quits, 5 people subscribe? 

 

Right, the game is doing so well that EA just decided to fire Mark Jacobs? 

I can point to the game officially losing at least 500,000 subscribers.  According to you they must have gained 2.5 million right? 

 

 

LOL its a good thing that share holders can sue random people for making "false positives"....

 

I know they said at one point they had 750,000 subs and the last official numbers I saw were 300,000.  Mark Jacobs had claimed numbers were increasing... and when he departed officially the numbers were "down" but I had not seen any reference to a total.

 

So yes they lost at leat 450,000 and supposedly X amount more (no idea how many).

 

So yes by the statement made they would have 2,550,000'ish subs at a minimum right now...

 

Are you all ignorant? Or just plain stupid? I am talking now, not then. Common sense would tell you, that unlike you sheep, I speak in present tense, and speak of the here and now, not of past issues, or statements.

That's funny. When I called you on talking about the now (the people who are left) you called me a troll and to go away. Not much common sense in that one but then you probably realize that but chose to ignore it.

Go right ahead and keep insulting people though, it suits you.

Alrite, just to write a quick follow-up: 

I actually did enjoy Warhammer.  It is a good game despite all its flaws.  But, the flaws are there.  That is what I meant by not meeting the standards of an mmorpg released in 2008-2009. I remember, the first month, seeing guildie after guildie jumping ship.  I remember having lengthy conversation about "i wish this was different" or "why did they do it this way?".

I mean seriously, they barely got in the mailbox system right before release.  Mailbox.  And they were still bugged/slow after months of release.  Also, there was gear in the game only usable by classes that had been taken out of the game.  Pet and npc pathing was off.  Large sieges crashed the server.  Ect.  There are other flaws like the high amount of aoe and reactive damage.

Also, Spyder2k5, you are totally talking out of your ass so I would suggest you listen to everybody that you are arguing with and just accept that you are wrong and/or talking out of your ass.

And Wizardry, please refrain from posting in any of my threads ever again.  The constant stream of bullshit that spews out of your mouth is laughable but also really iritiating because people might actually believe you.

Originally posted by spyder2k5 

 

Are you all ignorant? Or just plain stupid? I am talking now, not then. Common sense would tell you, that unlike you sheep, I speak in present tense, and speak of the here and now, not of past issues, or statements.

Listen friend, there are only 4 servers with decent population left.  Count them, 1,2,3,4.  If 5 people joined for every lost player then the servers would be swelling.   Would you care to show where you get this idea that 10 times more people are trying the game than leaving and 50% of those trying it are signing up?    What makes you believe the game is rebounding?

Warhammer could have been great and has some really good ideas on paper, but it just didn't turn out that way.  What it currently delivers is a very blan game experience.  Occasional bursts of fun surrounded by a whole bunch of meh with bad performance on top of that. 

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Originally posted by Daffid011

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Originally posted by spyder2k5 
 
Are you all ignorant? Or just plain stupid? I am talking now, not then. Common sense would tell you, that unlike you sheep, I speak in present tense, and speak of the here and now, not of past issues, or statements.

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Listen friend, there are only 4 servers with decent population left.  Count them, 1,2,3,4.  If 5 people joined for every lost player then the servers would be swelling.   Would you care to show where you get this idea that 10 times more people are trying the game than leaving and 50% of those trying it are signing up?    What makes you believe the game is rebounding?
Warhammer could have been great and has some really good ideas on paper, but it just didn't turn out that way.  What it currently delivers is a very blan game experience.  Occasional bursts of fun surrounded by a whole bunch of meh with bad performance on top of that. 
 
 

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Originally posted by spyder2k5

 

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Originally posted by Daffid011

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Originally posted by spyder2k5 
 
Are you all ignorant? Or just plain stupid? I am talking now, not then. Common sense would tell you, that unlike you sheep, I speak in present tense, and speak of the here and now, not of past issues, or statements.

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Listen friend, there are only 4 servers with decent population left.  Count them, 1,2,3,4.  If 5 people joined for every lost player then the servers would be swelling.   Would you care to show where you get this idea that 10 times more people are trying the game than leaving and 50% of those trying it are signing up?    What makes you believe the game is rebounding?
Warhammer could have been great and has some really good ideas on paper, but it just didn't turn out that way.  What it currently delivers is a very blan game experience.  Occasional bursts of fun surrounded by a whole bunch of meh with bad performance on top of that. 
 
 

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I check, and watch population. The game is bland? Yet it is the only game that you can start PVP from the word go, and get xp for it along with it. You get xp for everything you do. The games quests have a great story to them, if you don't like it say so and leave. But seeing you have not played it for a while, sit there and shut up. You have no clue the condition of the game, and no voice because if you are not paying then you are not supporting the developers with anything but negativity.

 

Clearly you have this forum confused with the Official forums. If you only care for paying subscribers opinions then what are you doing here?

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Originally posted by Pheace

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Originally posted by spyder2k5

 

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Originally posted by Daffid011

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Originally posted by spyder2k5 
 
Are you all ignorant? Or just plain stupid? I am talking now, not then. Common sense would tell you, that unlike you sheep, I speak in present tense, and speak of the here and now, not of past issues, or statements.

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Listen friend, there are only 4 servers with decent population left.  Count them, 1,2,3,4.  If 5 people joined for every lost player then the servers would be swelling.   Would you care to show where you get this idea that 10 times more people are trying the game than leaving and 50% of those trying it are signing up?    What makes you believe the game is rebounding?
Warhammer could have been great and has some really good ideas on paper, but it just didn't turn out that way.  What it currently delivers is a very blan game experience.  Occasional bursts of fun surrounded by a whole bunch of meh with bad performance on top of that. 
 
 

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I check, and watch population. The game is bland? Yet it is the only game that you can start PVP from the word go, and get xp for it along with it. You get xp for everything you do. The games quests have a great story to them, if you don't like it say so and leave. But seeing you have not played it for a while, sit there and shut up. You have no clue the condition of the game, and no voice because if you are not paying then you are not supporting the developers with anything but negativity.
 

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Clearly you have this forum confused with the Official forums. If you only care for paying subscribers opinions then what are you doing here?

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Haha, it's funny you still call me the liar when everyone here points out to you you're the one wrong/lying.

What I say is based on facts released by EA/Mythic. What you say is "your personal observation" on "the right server", according to your own words.

Warheap has updated by the way, it also doesn't seem to support your statements.

You're the one making outrageous and misleading statements based on no facts whatsoever with your for every 1 leaving there's 5 out of 10 trials staying in the game.

I already mentioned this before, but I'll repeat it here so you are forced to read it again. I already said I perfectly believe the people who are still playing are surely having fun in some way or another. But "Gee, really?", was that your big statement? Ow wait, no, it was that most of the people had fun. Well yes, since people who don't have fun quit, that means that if you restrict yourself to the people that still play, most will have fun.... "whoa!" Eureka! That certainly needed to be said!

My statement however, regardless of yours was, that if you look at the bigger picture, and look at *all* the people who tried the game it's not "most" people that had fun. And this is based on simple facts. 800k -> 300k

Most - Some

More - Less

>50% - <50%

500k - 300k