Originally posted by SuperCrap

 

You're just speaking anecdotally and basically talking out of your ass, while waiving away the real statistics quoted in this article as if they are worthless.  LOL.  Safety is largely a matter of perception, even in the worst neighborhood in the US there are tons of people that live there and very few of them actually get murdered.  It is more of a question of not going into the wrong neighborhood if you are white in the US, because there is so much racism against whites now, but if you are not the "wrong" race then most of those neighborhoods you aren't actually likely to be victimized in, lol.  If you are a foreigner you are generally ignorant of the "danger" that surrounds you and so you just think everything is great.  The odds of something bad happening is still low, even though it might be 10x what the odds are in a better neighborhood, it is still low even in most bad neighborhoods in the world, or else people couldn't live there.  It is not like a war zone, which do exist, and people can't live there because you really do get killed probably if you go there....... 

  Alright then, I dare you to take my wager without having a gun.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

I remember in the 90's  when I was 12 years old I could walk around Hamburg alone at night without having to worry about getting abducted, while in America at the same time it was so bad that parents couldn't even let their kids wander out at night in SAFE neighborhoods.

Yeah, I really question if you have ever been to the US...

 

I lived in Hamburg-Eppendorf area for 2 years and taking the S-Bahn/U-Bahn at night was really dangerous.

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

I remember in the 90's  when I was 12 years old I could walk around Hamburg alone at night without having to worry about getting abducted, while in America at the same time it is so bad that parents couldn't even let their kids wander out at night in SAFE neighborhoods. 

 

In the 90's you could, in the 90's Europe was one of the more peacefull places to be in.

Ridiculous immigration from North-Africans turned our cities into this:

5000 burned out cars in ONE NIGHT

 

You can stop pretending as if our cities actually look like that, there is not a violent riot going on in all of our cities every night.

Also according to wikipedia, the trend for violent crime in belgium is strongly downward and the murder rate is stable. The source is in french so I can't confirm it, but it is described as "official numbers"

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Waterlily

 

In the 90's you could, in the 90's Europe was one of the more peacefull places to be in.

Ridiculous immigration from North-Africans turned our cities into this:

5000 burned out cars in ONE NIGHT

 

You can stop pretending as if our cities actually look like that, there is not a violent riot going on in all of our cities every night.

Also according to wikipedia, the trend for violent crime in belgium is strongly downward and the murder rate is stable. The source is in french so I can't confirm it, but it is described as "official numbers"

I'm not pretending, everyone with a grasp of reality knows the riots don't happen every night, but they do happen and happen frequently. People also don't use the subway to come back from work anymore. The whole subway system in Brussels was built especially for travelling working people and is completely useless now at night because everyone is too scared to use it, but we still get charged taxes daily after people, usually immigrants, totally trash it every night. I went to school with the bus because the subway was too violent. That would have never happened 20 years ago.

Cool story bro. Let's all blame the poor immigrants fleeing from a country where they were mistreated to a country where they won't get anything but a shit job and shit place to live in because of discrimination and racism. Because the problem can of course not be the fact that the country they come to act like completely shitheads begging for riots. Regarding that dumb racism and riots you're discussing, you fucking racists are the source of it. By discriminating and acting like someone who wants to get beat up you cause these riots.

Originally posted by Godliest

Cool story bro. Let's all blame the poor immigrants fleeing from a country where they were mistreated to a country where they won't get anything but a shit job and shit place to live in because of discrimination and racism. Because the problem can of course not be the fact that the country they come to act like completely shitheads begging for riots. Regarding that dumb racism and riots you're discussing, you fucking racists are the source of it. By discriminating and acting like someone who wants to get beat up you cause these riots.

   It's so easy to blame something on racism, until you live in a country where it's nearly illegal to be a racist and you have the same problem .

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Whoa!!!  I thought you Europeans were not as violent as us American's.  It appears that is a myth!!!
Be sure to check the table at the bottom of the article.  And remember, it says that the U.S. has a violence rate of 466 per 100,000 when you look at that table.  Waaay below those other mostly european countries.
You guys need to be carrying some guns like us.  We don't put up with behavior like that!!!  We believe that protecting the individual is the individuals responsibility mostly.  Police are there to show up AFTER the crime has been committed.  Or, after the crime has been avoided if the crook finds his victim a bit unwilling.
I know that any crook or punk that comes after me is going to find a big surprise waiting for him.  I am not going to play victim for someone.

I'm guessing some none American person called you fat, stupid or both. Grow up dude. Every country has its pros and cons, end of story. Oh and no....just.....no.

Originally posted by Man1ac

I'm guessing some none American person called you fat, stupid or both. Grow up dude. Every country has its pros and cons, end of story. Oh and no....just.....no.

   He has a point though: People in America talk a lot less shit to each other if they're not friends, because you never know who's packing heat.

 South Africa is still by far 1000x more violent than the UK ever will be.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by Godliest

Cool story bro. Let's all blame the poor immigrants fleeing from a country where they were mistreated to a country where they won't get anything but a shit job and shit place to live in because of discrimination and racism. Because the problem can of course not be the fact that the country they come to act like completely shitheads begging for riots. Regarding that dumb racism and riots you're discussing, you fucking racists are the source of it. By discriminating and acting like someone who wants to get beat up you cause these riots.

   It's so easy to blame something on racism, until you live in a country where it's nearly illegal to be a racist and you have the same problem .
 

I live in a country where it is illegal to be racist.

We don't have any race riots at all. We haven't done since we criminalised it. In fact we hadn't done for decades before that either.

I was suprised by the number of people in this thread who attributed all Britains woes to racism. (I notice none of them were British).

I don't know why I was surprised given I post here regulalry of course. It says a lot more about you than it does about us in my opinion.

Personally I am more inclined to attribute that statistic to the impending election than to any reflection of British culture. It's propaganda designed to undermine the current governments record on crime and was compiled by the opposition party. Nobody who lives here took it in anyway seriously. Just the usual politics lies. 

As for Americans being polite to each other? They don't even say "please" or "thank you". Pop along to Europe or Asia to find out how polite strangers can be. I carry a gun for most of the day, but I don't take one out with me when I am meeting strangers. I prefer to use my good manners to assuage any hostile reactions. It doesn't matter that you might be packing or not, I won't be, so I will be more inclined to be polite.

Originally posted by baff

 

 

As for Americans being polite to each other? They don't even say "please" or "thank you". Pop along to Europe or Asia to find out how polite strangers can be. I carry a gun for most of the day, but I don't take one out with me when I am meeting strangers. I prefer to use my good manners to assuage any hostile reactions. It doesn't matter that you might be packing or not, I won't be, so I will be more inclined to be polite.

  Polite, no. Non-confrontational is a better adjective.

  Sorry to bring up this stereotype, but I totally got this image from the orange text: www.youtube.com/watch

Originally posted by Forumfall

Why does this surprise people? We humans have always been barbaric.

I for one don't care, tho I can see that the racists.. ehrm rightwingers will get more popular.

As I recall, the single most racist group in history were the Nazi's - and they were left wing.

Originally posted by Laiina

Originally posted by Forumfall

Why does this surprise people? We humans have always been barbaric.

I for one don't care, tho I can see that the racists.. ehrm rightwingers will get more popular.

 

As I recall, the single most racist group in history were the Nazi's - and they were left wing.

While nazism had elements from both left and right, they were fascists. Fascism is usually described as far right.

The Nazi's were fascists.

The rightest of right wingers.

Communists were left wing.

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by gnomexxx

 

If only these stats showed how many foreigners and immigrants are committing these crimes.

Europe wasn't violent 20 years ago. Now taking the subway after 8pm can get you killed.

I can remember us American's being called racist when we talked about enforcing our border rules.  We even get called that by some of our own when we talk about sealing up our border.

Common stories all around I suppose.

Originally posted by Jackcolt

Originally posted by Forumfall

Why does this surprise people? We humans have always been barbaric.

I for one don't care, tho I can see that the racists.. ehrm rightwingers will get more popular.

 

Wasn't a problem just some years back. A couple of years ago I saw a statistic saying that 46% of all youth crimes in Denmark is committed by immigrants. A minority which is about 1/10th of the whole population, so very roughly can one say they are purely statistically about 9 times more criminal than the danish population.

Now tell me am I a racist for wanting to restrict how many immigrants we get in?

You're not racist at all.  You're simply trying to protect your countries culture and identity.  There is not a thing wrong with that.  It's a glue that bind people just as tradition does. 

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Whoa!!!  I thought you Europeans were not as violent as us American's.  It appears that is a myth!!!
Be sure to check the table at the bottom of the article.  And remember, it says that the U.S. has a violence rate of 466 per 100,000 when you look at that table.  Waaay below those other mostly european countries.
You guys need to be carrying some guns like us. 

 

No thanks, I enjoy living in a society where not every idiot can get their hands on a gun.

http://www.abanet.org/gunviol/factsaboutgunviolence/uscompared.shtml

http://www.securityworld.com/ia-425-the-facts-about-gun-violence.aspx

I enjoy carrying my gun.  That way I know that if any idiot decides to come mess with me I can end that confrontation and dispose of the trouble maker.

Makes for good neighbors when they know that house on the corner I live in is well guarded by owner.

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Whoa!!!  I thought you Europeans were not as violent as us American's.  It appears that is a myth!!!
Be sure to check the table at the bottom of the article.  And remember, it says that the U.S. has a violence rate of 466 per 100,000 when you look at that table.  Waaay below those other mostly european countries.
You guys need to be carrying some guns like us. 

 

No thanks, I enjoy living in a society where not every idiot can get their hands on a gun.

http://www.abanet.org/gunviol/factsaboutgunviolence/uscompared.shtml

http://www.securityworld.com/ia-425-the-facts-about-gun-violence.aspx

 

I enjoy carrying my gun.  That way I know that if any idiot decides to come mess with me I can end that confrontation and dispose of the trouble maker.

Makes for good neighbors when they know that house on the corner I live in is well guarded by owner.

Actually,  owning a gun in your house increases the chance of homicide.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Actually,  owning a gun in your house increases the chance of homicide.

  There is a greater chance of you being a victim of a homicide without owning a gun than there is with you owning one given the same parameters for each.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Whoa!!!  I thought you Europeans were not as violent as us American's.  It appears that is a myth!!!
Be sure to check the table at the bottom of the article.  And remember, it says that the U.S. has a violence rate of 466 per 100,000 when you look at that table.  Waaay below those other mostly european countries.
You guys need to be carrying some guns like us. 

 

No thanks, I enjoy living in a society where not every idiot can get their hands on a gun.

http://www.abanet.org/gunviol/factsaboutgunviolence/uscompared.shtml

http://www.securityworld.com/ia-425-the-facts-about-gun-violence.aspx

 

I enjoy carrying my gun.  That way I know that if any idiot decides to come mess with me I can end that confrontation and dispose of the trouble maker.

Makes for good neighbors when they know that house on the corner I live in is well guarded by owner.

Actually,  owning a gun in your house increases the chance of homicide.

And I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the reason for more homicide is that the robber winds up dead instead of running away with all the loot. 

Originally posted by Sargoth

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Whoa!!!  I thought you Europeans were not as violent as us American's.  It appears that is a myth!!!
Be sure to check the table at the bottom of the article.  And remember, it says that the U.S. has a violence rate of 466 per 100,000 when you look at that table.  Waaay below those other mostly european countries.
You guys need to be carrying some guns like us. 

 

No thanks, I enjoy living in a society where not every idiot can get their hands on a gun.

http://www.abanet.org/gunviol/factsaboutgunviolence/uscompared.shtml

http://www.securityworld.com/ia-425-the-facts-about-gun-violence.aspx

 

I enjoy carrying my gun.  That way I know that if any idiot decides to come mess with me I can end that confrontation and dispose of the trouble maker.

Makes for good neighbors when they know that house on the corner I live in is well guarded by owner.

Actually,  owning a gun in your house increases the chance of homicide.

 

And I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the reason for more homicide is that the robber winds up dead instead of running away with all the loot. 

And I'm gonna break that limb and reason that someone pulling out a gun on a robber makes the robber more likely to pull his gun out instead of just taking off with the loot.

So basically it comes down to a shootout.

Either let the guy take what he came for ,risk that he isn't one of the very small percentage of homicidal manics,  and call the cops and catch him later.  OR pull out your gun and watch him pull out his to protect himself.  Better hope he doesn't get off the first shot, and/or you don't miss.

Originally posted by Sabiancym

And I'm gonna break that limb and reason that someone pulling out a gun on a robber makes the robber more likely to pull his gun out instead of just taking off with the loot.

So basically it comes down to a shootout.

Either let the guy take what he came for ,risk that he isn't one of the very small percentage of homicidal manics,  and call the cops and catch him later.  OR pull out your gun and watch him pull out his to protect himself.  Better hope he doesn't get off the first shot, and/or you don't miss.

Sorry, but statistics clearly show that a criminal is much less likely to take on an intended victim if the crook believes the target is packing heat.

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Sabiancym

And I'm gonna break that limb and reason that someone pulling out a gun on a robber makes the robber more likely to pull his gun out instead of just taking off with the loot.

So basically it comes down to a shootout.

Either let the guy take what he came for ,risk that he isn't one of the very small percentage of homicidal manics,  and call the cops and catch him later.  OR pull out your gun and watch him pull out his to protect himself.  Better hope he doesn't get off the first shot, and/or you don't miss.

 

Sorry, but statistics clearly show that a criminal is much less likely to take on an intended victim if the crook believes the target is packing heat.

What statistics?  Did the crips and bloods fill out a survey?

I was arguing that if someone is breaking into your house, you are more likely to get yourself or your family killed if you pull a gun on the guy instead of just letting him take whatever.  

Don't get me wrong, I think people should be able to have a gun in their house if they feel the need and are responsible with it, but my logic tells me it's only going to increase the chance of someone innocent getting hurt.

Originally posted by Sargoth

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Whoa!!!  I thought you Europeans were not as violent as us American's.  It appears that is a myth!!!
Be sure to check the table at the bottom of the article.  And remember, it says that the U.S. has a violence rate of 466 per 100,000 when you look at that table.  Waaay below those other mostly european countries.
You guys need to be carrying some guns like us. 

 

No thanks, I enjoy living in a society where not every idiot can get their hands on a gun.

http://www.abanet.org/gunviol/factsaboutgunviolence/uscompared.shtml

http://www.securityworld.com/ia-425-the-facts-about-gun-violence.aspx

 

I enjoy carrying my gun.  That way I know that if any idiot decides to come mess with me I can end that confrontation and dispose of the trouble maker.

Makes for good neighbors when they know that house on the corner I live in is well guarded by owner.

Actually,  owning a gun in your house increases the chance of homicide.

 

And I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the reason for more homicide is that the robber winds up dead instead of running away with all the loot. 

Actually in home with guns, people are 21 times more likely to be killed by somebody they know than a stranger breaking into their homes.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by gnomexxx

Whoa!!!  I thought you Europeans were not as violent as us American's.  It appears that is a myth!!!
Be sure to check the table at the bottom of the article.  And remember, it says that the U.S. has a violence rate of 466 per 100,000 when you look at that table.  Waaay below those other mostly european countries.
You guys need to be carrying some guns like us. 

 

No thanks, I enjoy living in a society where not every idiot can get their hands on a gun.

http://www.abanet.org/gunviol/factsaboutgunviolence/uscompared.shtml

http://www.securityworld.com/ia-425-the-facts-about-gun-violence.aspx

Thats fine ,feel free to stay in your no gun allowing country.Which country was that BTW?