Originally posted by socrates656

Hmm Now I know why I question why I am a part of this pathetic race of human beings.

Ok first of all.

Im not a fanboi of EQ2 i just think its alot better then most of the MMO's now a days. Im surpised more people don't play it.

Alot of you people are extreamly ignorant on here it seems, and seem to judge/argue with one another like a bunch of 4 year olds not even knowing them or the games they have played. Some of you people really need to seriously stay on your medication, I wasn't trying to offend anyone I was just stating my opinion.. holy shit.

I have played many MMO's over the past 10 years, and I'm not an everquest fan, I'm not a fan of any MMO's. I'm surprised that people would rather play WoW a linear type of game, over everquest 2 that has more deversity too it.

Most of the responses I have read on here is just because you are all still butt hurt over what happind in Starwars Galaxies. Thats understandable, because I was there too when the new NGE ruined the game and I was mad about it, but you don't see me still crying about it? I mean what? it happind like 4 years ago get over it lol. Yeah I don't like SOE eather, but I'm not talking about SOE I'm talking about Everquest 2 I couldn't give 2 shits what SOE DO in there free time they can go wack off in the corner for all i care

I'm talking about Everquest 2 as it is NOW. Not what it was 4 years ago. Yeah it had a bad launch just like WoW did. Just because a game has a bad launch dosn't mean it's a bad game. You people seem to focus so much on the past rather then the actual game as it is now. EQ2 is alot better and has more to offer then most of the MMO's on the market right now PVE wise. PVP wise though it is lacking. Perhaps that is why it dosnt have as many players hmm? Not because of SOE or because of SWG?

Does WoW suck? Yes it does, WHY? Because the game Wrath of the Lich King is easy-mode. I could play it with one arm tied behind my back. The game is an instant gratification MMO. DeathKnights? do I need to even say more? Most of the people who play WoW are eather adults who act like 14 year olds, or are 14 year olds playing it. The Everquest 2 community is 10x more mature and more polite. I have only met one person that acted very immature so far from playing EQ2

The original WoW was great, but the WoW now is garbage in my opinion. And Anyone who enjoys playing it. I feel very sorry for them, because there are so many more MMO's out there that are so much better, but if you like playing with childern, and getting a full set of legendary loot from only raiding for only 3 1/2 weeks. All the power to you.

Two words for you: Item Shops

I will not play a subscription based game with an item shop in it. To me that is labeling myself silly when there are plenty of subscription based games that give you ALL of the game for your subscription fee.  Also not to mention the original game WAS better than the slapped together version of EQ2 that exist now, which I might add was done in a hurry trying to copy World of Warcraft.

Forget originality and the many years of testing, designing a game .. they threw it all out in a matter of months to make a very poor shallow attempt at copying WoW to pull in subscriptions from the more successful game. Those are very REAL issues with the game that you try to denounce with a very childish rude post.

 EQ2 good game ruined by a bad launch retardly bad penalties at launch for death i remember if people in your group even died even if they werent in your zone BAM xp penalty was extremely frustrating. Also its hard to run for most people, i loved my house in eq2 and i could spend all day crafting furnature and putting it on display in my house lol was fun , the pve at the time i played had far to much "elite" group content that was scattered in with solo content made it pritty frustrating to level.

Then when i came back a year or more later played for a few months but there was a xpack or two out by then and all those poxy "adventure packs" i was like i aint paying for a content update gtfo. 

Then when i came back for one last bash they had done the unthinkable ! they ADDED FAIRYS AS A PLAYABLE RACE  !!!! my god i was enjoying it till all those god dam things started to show up all over the place ugh... anyway i mainly quit because i felt id never get to the max level it felt so far away i think i just gave up out of frustration lack of players at the lower end content .

Great community in eq2 tho probaly the best and most helpfull i ever seen in a mmo.

OP, I agree with all you said - I loved EQ2 for the 4 months I played it but around lvl 20 I simply couldn't solo anymore. That's it.

And WoW is soloable - among all the good things it also has.

Originally posted by rsreston

OP, I agree with all you said - I loved EQ2 for the 4 months I played it but around lvl 20 I simply couldn't solo anymore. That's it.

And WoW is soloable - among all the good things it also has.

You must be talking about eq2 from a long time ago.  Today you can solo all the way to lvl 80 without any problem. 

Funny thing is i miss the launch style game i made a hell of a lot of good friends in that time,i do miss the shard runs

If EQ2 is guilty of anything is it tries to please everyone and makes massive adjustments all the time,it needs to be constant but sadly it never is.

Aye, solo to 80 is very easy.  I invited a friend who's first char was a guard betrayed berserker who is now 76 and his first month is NOT up yet.  I have been playing my main and an alt inquiistor at the same period who is 71.  We grouped here and there but mostly both solo.  So there you go, two group oriented classes, solo to 70s in under 30 days playing 2-3 hours.  My bruiser just rocketed to 80 with all his solo tools.

If you aren't playing EQ2 because leveling was slow or death was painful... you need to come back.  Leveling is silly fast and death penalties are tiny xp debts not loss and certainly not shared.

Originally posted by Solude

Aye, solo to 80 is very easy.  I invited a friend who's first char was a guard betrayed berserker who is now 76 and his first month is NOT up yet.  I have been playing my main and an alt inquiistor at the same period who is 71.  We grouped here and there but mostly both solo.  So there you go, two group oriented classes, solo to 70s in under 30 days playing 2-3 hours.  My bruiser just rocketed to 80 with all his solo tools.

If you aren't playing EQ2 because leveling was slow or death was painful... you need to come back.  Leveling is silly fast and death penalties are tiny xp debts not loss and certainly not shared.

I think you just hit the nail on the head as to why people aren't interested in playing.  Too easy.

As for the WoW soloing. Yes, you can solo to 80. But once you get there, it gets boring fast unless you are a hardcore raider.

The item shop argument is sound. After all, you do pay to play a game, not pay to see other people pay more and get more. However, people buy accounts for MMOs all the time, so isn't it true that ALL MMOs have item shops, ethical or not?

Originally posted by Miustus

As for the WoW soloing. Yes, you can solo to 80. But once you get there, it gets boring fast unless you are a hardcore raider.

 

The item shop argument is sound. After all, you do pay to play a game, not pay to see other people pay more and get more. However, people buy accounts for MMOs all the time, so isn't it true that ALL MMOs have item shops, ethical or not?

Illegal purchases don't make SOE's greed okay. If I pay monthly I best be getting all items in game be it fluff or  whatever. After all that is what the other MMOs do that charge you 15/month. Why does SOE feel the need to milk their players further? It will be a cold day in hell before I pay monthly to play a sub based game with an item shop tacted on. It hurts people that play even if they do not participate in the garbage. Do you think they are going to produce as much as they would have before the item shop and put it all in the game for the cost of your sub? No they will not. Some items that you would have gotten like in other pay to play MMOs will now be reserved for the item shop.

No thanks.

Originally posted by ethion

Originally posted by daeath

Originally posted by Margulis

I think this may have the biggest reason of all to be honest.  I agree EQ2 is amazing now, but people don't want to start playing an mmo after it's been out for 5 years, they feel they already missed too much.  Obviously not every player is like that, but most.  With Aion coming up and the insane amount of quality mmo's in production, most people are just looking forward I think.

 

This is why I'm hesitant to start EQ2, seems great, had a lot of fun in the free trial, but I'm 5 years behind.... still might though....

 

I think what you are fearing is pretty common for any game.   I've thought about giving LoTR another try but the thought that the main story questline is heavily group oriented and that the pop is gonna all be top heavy gives me pause since until I get into the higher levels the game is going to be a lot of work... 

Of all the games out today this one area is most the exception in eq2.  EQ2 has one brilliant feature that really changes things and that is the ability for a high lvl person to mentor a low level person.  This means if you are lvl 20 and have a quest to do something like stormhold dungeon and need a group you can look for people you level (like most games this will be tough) but you can also add anyone higher level and they can mentor down to your level.  Mentoring gives you bonus xp too.  For the high lvl person it gives a chance to do low level content and quests they might have missed.  It also gives them AA point experience which is needed by all high lvl players.

This does mean that you have to ask for people to join.  You want to ask in 1-9 global chat.  I've joined many lower level groups where there is one low level person and everyone else is higher level.

This single feature in my opinion is the best feature in eq2 and it didn't even make your list :P

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The mentoring feature has been a part of City of Heroes from launch.  It's not EQ2 unique.

Originally posted by SkyGhost

Originally posted by ethion

Originally posted by daeath

Originally posted by Margulis

I think this may have the biggest reason of all to be honest.  I agree EQ2 is amazing now, but people don't want to start playing an mmo after it's been out for 5 years, they feel they already missed too much.  Obviously not every player is like that, but most.  With Aion coming up and the insane amount of quality mmo's in production, most people are just looking forward I think.

 

This is why I'm hesitant to start EQ2, seems great, had a lot of fun in the free trial, but I'm 5 years behind.... still might though....

 

I think what you are fearing is pretty common for any game.   I've thought about giving LoTR another try but the thought that the main story questline is heavily group oriented and that the pop is gonna all be top heavy gives me pause since until I get into the higher levels the game is going to be a lot of work... 

Of all the games out today this one area is most the exception in eq2.  EQ2 has one brilliant feature that really changes things and that is the ability for a high lvl person to mentor a low level person.  This means if you are lvl 20 and have a quest to do something like stormhold dungeon and need a group you can look for people you level (like most games this will be tough) but you can also add anyone higher level and they can mentor down to your level.  Mentoring gives you bonus xp too.  For the high lvl person it gives a chance to do low level content and quests they might have missed.  It also gives them AA point experience which is needed by all high lvl players.

This does mean that you have to ask for people to join.  You want to ask in 1-9 global chat.  I've joined many lower level groups where there is one low level person and everyone else is higher level.

This single feature in my opinion is the best feature in eq2 and it didn't even make your list :P

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The mentoring feature has been a part of City of Heroes from launch.  It's not EQ2 unique.

 

only one reason , it isnt  f2p ingame store based transaction

I agree I think its the fact that it has been out for 5 years now.  I too have just finished a trial account for EQ2 and I enjoyed the game very much.  The only thing is during the times I played which was about 10 AM till 1 PM PST I saw no one around my level.  It was actually heartbreaking,  My first impression when I first started the trial was that this was a game I was going to pick up but like I said the lack of low level players made me think twice.  While it is a beautiful game and has some very nice options and Its just that if you didnt start this game 5 years ago, than you missed out. 

The thing with most of SOE's games are that they are just too outdated now.  People have been playing them for years now and got as far as they could go or in SWG case had to pretty much start over when they went NGE.  They want something fresh and new.  And most people I know are also fed up with SOE.

Hopefully more people will find EQ2 appealing but I dont think so as far as people think its 5 years old whatever it does the newer MMOS will do better.  In truth the only reason I tried the trial is because I dont have anything to play right now and someone whos been playing it for years suggested it to me.  If it wasn't  for him than I probably would not have even tried it.

Any way thats my thoughts on the subject.

Originally posted by qombi

Originally posted by Miustus

As for the WoW soloing. Yes, you can solo to 80. But once you get there, it gets boring fast unless you are a hardcore raider.

 

The item shop argument is sound. After all, you do pay to play a game, not pay to see other people pay more and get more. However, people buy accounts for MMOs all the time, so isn't it true that ALL MMOs have item shops, ethical or not?

 

Illegal purchases don't make SOE's greed okay. If I pay monthly I best be getting all items in game be it fluff or  whatever. After all that is what the other MMOs do that charge you 15/month. Why does SOE feel the need to milk their players further? It will be a cold day in hell before I pay monthly to play a sub based game with an item shop tacted on. It hurts people that play even if they do not participate in the garbage. Do you think they are going to produce as much as they would have before the item shop and put it all in the game for the cost of your sub? No they will not. Some items that you would have gotten like in other pay to play MMOs will now be reserved for the item shop.

No thanks.

Dude, have you even looked at the cash shop in EQ2? Most of that stuff is crap. The things in the item shop are mostly all appearnce items, and furniture. Theres nothing in there that you need in order to advance, or play the game. It's just optional. I don't even buy anything out of the cash shop. Everything you can do is within the game. The cash shop is just somthing optional for people who want appearance items, or special looking furnature. Theres nothing in the cash shop that is even remotly even that great. Most of the stuff thats good is the stuff that you get from just a regular subsciption.

I have no Idea how you think the EQ2's cash shop has anything too do with getting good gear or loot, and forces you to pay for the items in the cashshop, because it dosn't at all.

Again I ask... have you even seen the cashshop in EQ2 recently? Apperantly not.

Originally posted by socrates656

Originally posted by qombi

Originally posted by Miustus

As for the WoW soloing. Yes, you can solo to 80. But once you get there, it gets boring fast unless you are a hardcore raider.

 

The item shop argument is sound. After all, you do pay to play a game, not pay to see other people pay more and get more. However, people buy accounts for MMOs all the time, so isn't it true that ALL MMOs have item shops, ethical or not?

 

Illegal purchases don't make SOE's greed okay. If I pay monthly I best be getting all items in game be it fluff or  whatever. After all that is what the other MMOs do that charge you 15/month. Why does SOE feel the need to milk their players further? It will be a cold day in hell before I pay monthly to play a sub based game with an item shop tacted on. It hurts people that play even if they do not participate in the garbage. Do you think they are going to produce as much as they would have before the item shop and put it all in the game for the cost of your sub? No they will not. Some items that you would have gotten like in other pay to play MMOs will now be reserved for the item shop.

No thanks.

Dude, have you even looked at the cash shop in EQ2? Most of that stuff if crap. The things in the item shop are mostly all appearnce items, and furniture. Theres nothing in there that you need in order to advance, or play the game. It's just optional. I don't even buy anything out of the cash shop. Everything you can do is within the game. The cash shop is just somthing optional for people who want appearance items, or special looking furnature. Theres nothing in the cash shop that is even remotly even that great. Most of the stuff thats good is the stuff that you get from just a regular subsciption.

I have no Idea how you think the EQ2's cash shop has anything too do with getting good gear or loot, and forces you to pay for the items in the cashshop, because it dosn't at all.

Again I ask... have you even seen the cashshop in EQ2 recently? Apperantly not.

All those appearance items should be in the game, not in a cash shop. No I haven't seen the cash shop lately, nor have I ever or will never. I don't play sub based games with item shops. 

Originally posted by qombi

Originally posted by socrates656

Originally posted by qombi

Originally posted by Miustus

As for the WoW soloing. Yes, you can solo to 80. But once you get there, it gets boring fast unless you are a hardcore raider.

 

The item shop argument is sound. After all, you do pay to play a game, not pay to see other people pay more and get more. However, people buy accounts for MMOs all the time, so isn't it true that ALL MMOs have item shops, ethical or not?

 

Illegal purchases don't make SOE's greed okay. If I pay monthly I best be getting all items in game be it fluff or  whatever. After all that is what the other MMOs do that charge you 15/month. Why does SOE feel the need to milk their players further? It will be a cold day in hell before I pay monthly to play a sub based game with an item shop tacted on. It hurts people that play even if they do not participate in the garbage. Do you think they are going to produce as much as they would have before the item shop and put it all in the game for the cost of your sub? No they will not. Some items that you would have gotten like in other pay to play MMOs will now be reserved for the item shop.

No thanks.

Dude, have you even looked at the cash shop in EQ2? Most of that stuff if crap. The things in the item shop are mostly all appearnce items, and furniture. Theres nothing in there that you need in order to advance, or play the game. It's just optional. I don't even buy anything out of the cash shop. Everything you can do is within the game. The cash shop is just somthing optional for people who want appearance items, or special looking furnature. Theres nothing in the cash shop that is even remotly even that great. Most of the stuff thats good is the stuff that you get from just a regular subsciption.

I have no Idea how you think the EQ2's cash shop has anything too do with getting good gear or loot, and forces you to pay for the items in the cashshop, because it dosn't at all.

Again I ask... have you even seen the cashshop in EQ2 recently? Apperantly not.

 

All those appearance items should be in the game, not in a cash shop. No I haven't seen the cash shop lately, nor have I ever or will never. I don't play sub based games with item shops. 

Did you know you can craft better looking stuff then the items in the cash shop? Everything you get with the 15$ subsciption is actually better then what the cashshop provides. Hardly anyone even buys anything out of there.
 

It's to bad you havin't even played EQ2 or even seen the Cashshop, because you would see it's not as bad as you say. I mean seriously, how can you honestly know when you havin't even seen it for yourself? You have no idea what you are talking about, because your obviously pretty ignorant if you think that way, when you havin't even seen it. Now I see how Bush got in as a president. WoW

That was unfortunately my own reason for unsubscribing a otherwise very good game.

Originally posted by Xasapis

That was unfortunately my own reason for unsubscribing a otherwise very good game.

Yes Socrates656 will never understand it is the principle of the matter. I don't care what is in the item shop. Also Socrates656 assumed too much by stating I never played Everquest 2, I just didn't stick around and hand a business my money for their "new" greedy revenue service. 

Originally posted by socrates656 

Did you know you can craft better looking stuff then the items in the cash shop? Everything you get with the 15$ subsciption is actually better then what the cashshop provides. Hardly anyone even buys anything out of there.
 

It's to bad you havin't even played EQ2 or even seen the Cashshop, because you would see it's not as bad as you say. I mean seriously, how can you honestly know when you havin't even seen it for yourself? You have no idea what you are talking about, because your obviously pretty ignorant if you think that way, when you havin't even seen it. Now I see how Bush got in as a president. WoW

"It isn't that bad".  

This game has station exchange so players can sell items to each other for real cash (soe tried to push it on every servers, but player outrage stopped that)

The game also has loot cards that soe pushed down the players throats every few months.  Soe didn't make the mistake of asking for player feedback on this.

Now there is a cash shop that you say "isn't that bad" which is admitting is bad, no matter how much you are trying to downplay it.  Soe also admitted in an interview that they are considering selling items, armor and weapons to players.  Soe also patched this into the game without even letting the players know it was coming, because honestly they knew it would upset their customers and cause some to quit, but they do not want to repeat the mistake of station exchange and let the players limit it to only a few servers.  When you look at it, it just shows this company is still willing to throw some of their customers away in an attempt to make money.   What you are doing above is enabling that type of behavior from them, but that is exactly what soe is counting on. 

Just look at the trend of what soe considers healthy for this game.  They are desperate to pull extra money from the subscribers pockets through micro transactions.  You cannot say that it isn't bad based on what it is like now, because the historical trend for this compnay is to monotize everything and do the unthinkable.  Listen to any interview by the president of the company and note how he never talks about what makes games fun, never, but he can't shut up about how to make money off of them. 

There are plenty of reasons why people don't play this game and these are just a few of them.

LOL - read this thread a few day ago and realised how much I enjoyed EQ2 when I played it. Sop I resubbed and am loving starting a new char again.

Thanks

mm if this game started implementing store stuff its only a mather of time before they add the full choice of p2p or f2p method

and when you make f2p avail the game often become a lot harder to lvl up

since they want to sell mount xp pot ,tp pot etc

Another thing about the Station Store is that only characters on certain Station Store servers can even buy and use the items within the store.  It never affected me. I just play on the servers that aren't like that.

Originally posted by Miustus

Another thing about the Station Store is that only characters on certain Station Store servers can even buy and use the items within the store.  It never affected me. I just play on the servers that aren't like that.

You are the EverQuest II Correspondent right, maybe you want to read up on station cash store again?

I did. Unless there's been an update I missed, there were only two servers that you could even use the funds on.

It sounds like you are confusing Station Exchange with Station Cash.

Yea, you are confusing the exchange servers with station cash...

Those items are available to anyone.  I think its called SM, Station Marketplace.  There should be a big shiny button in your main eq menu.  It also displays when you first log in.  It is mostly appearance items and a few pots.  It doesnt bother me.  I dont use it and no one that I know uses them (unless they are not telling the truth, well... except for the house and appearance items that is...)