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Originally posted by jonrd463
There's my dealbreaker. So much for Aion. The one thing I hate more than anything in an MMO is zoning. Hate it with a passion. Give me a coast to coast open world. If developers are so keen to copy WoW, as many people here suggest, then why can't an open world be the one thing they take?
Next game....
There ya go! Take someone's word for it rather than trying it yourself. Very open-minded. As for what templarga said - I'm not sure he's gotten to the Abyss, where you can fly nearly anywhere. And in the normal zones, you can only fly short distances, but there are still amazing places to go - and even places you're apparently not supposed to be. If you're seriously thinking about trying it, check out aionsource.com and ask questions there. There are people that have played the game there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /played: EQ, EQ II, DAoC, WoW, LoTRO, AoC, CoH/CoV, and many others that don't merit listing /playing: Aion NA CB |
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heartless
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Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
Originally posted by puma713
There ya go! Take someone's word for it rather than trying it yourself. Very open-minded. As for what templarga said - I'm not sure he's gotten to the Abyss, where you can fly nearly anywhere. And in the normal zones, you can only fly short distances, but there are still amazing places to go - and even places you're apparently not supposed to be. If you're seriously thinking about trying it, check out aionsource.com and ask questions there. There are people that have played the game there. The zones are restricted and linear. There is also 1 zone per level range per race. It's not like WoW where you usually have 2 or more zones to go to as you're leveling. In Aion as a level 1-10 Asmodian, you're in Ishalgen and after level 10 you go to Pandemonium for a bit, then move on to Altgard...always.And so on and so forth. Yes, you can fly indefinitely in the Abyss but Abyss is only one part of the game. A part that only becomes fully accessible at higher levels.
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Originally posted by heartless
There ya go! Take someone's word for it rather than trying it yourself. Very open-minded. As for what templarga said - I'm not sure he's gotten to the Abyss, where you can fly nearly anywhere. And in the normal zones, you can only fly short distances, but there are still amazing places to go - and even places you're apparently not supposed to be. If you're seriously thinking about trying it, check out aionsource.com and ask questions there. There are people that have played the game there. The zones are restricted and linear. There is also 1 zone per level range per race. It's not like WoW where you usually have 2 or more zones to go to as you're leveling. In Aion as a level 1-10 Asmodian, you're in Ishalgen and after level 10 you go to Pandemonium for a bit, then move on to Altgard...always.And so on and so forth. Yes, you can fly indefinitely in the Abyss but Abyss is only one part of the game. A part that only becomes fully accessible at higher levels.
If by higher levels, you mean level 25, then yes, that's correct. "Higher levels" seems to indicate something near endgame. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ /played: EQ, EQ II, DAoC, WoW, LoTRO, AoC, CoH/CoV, and many others that don't merit listing /playing: Aion NA CB |
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Aion is WoW with better gfx and an excellent PvP
far from original, yet recipe for succeed. Its only con is its origin (asian) that is a huge barrier for the close minded...understandable however,because before playing it i was also one of those that tot asian games are synonym of no endgame + unbearable grind
Aion wont represent any noticiable innovation to the genre as a whole, yet its a welcome release since for the firts time in...what? 3 years?...west will put their hands on a game that isnt in a pathetic/not-release-worthy status.
People might like it or not, but that will be on basis of its features, not because of half-baked concepts,half-working mechanics and bugs galore 1 million different people can point 1 million different flaws in WoW 5 years and they have been mentally incapable of coming up with something better |
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Originally posted by alderdale
This Add nauseum. Your 12 year old will just love it. not sure if i understand this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkXRVvrQU0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTdOJnujby0&feature=related
WoW looks hundreds of times more childish/anime-ish than Aion. The colors, the artstyle, the backgrounds,everything by a mile 1 million different people can point 1 million different flaws in WoW 5 years and they have been mentally incapable of coming up with something better |
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Originally posted by arcdevil QFT. I agree that Aion and WoW have a lot of similarities, but they are both MMOs, after all. Aion is certainly easier for me to look at - WoW's art direction makes my eyes bleed. And it's fun in a way that WAR and AoC just aren't, IMO. To each their own, I suppose.
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Originally posted by puma713
There ya go! Take someone's word for it rather than trying it yourself. Very open-minded. As for what templarga said - I'm not sure he's gotten to the Abyss, where you can fly nearly anywhere. And in the normal zones, you can only fly short distances, but there are still amazing places to go - and even places you're apparently not supposed to be. If you're seriously thinking about trying it, check out aionsource.com and ask questions there. There are people that have played the game there. I'm just watching from the sidelines and reading news as I stumble upon it. Zones vs. Seamless World is a personal preference. If the game is the second coming of the great prophet Zarkwon in all other respects but still has zoning, I won't play it. It's my choice. You are certainly free to play whatever game you like, and you know what? I won't judge you. Seriously. All I ask is a little of the same courtesy. "You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous |
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Keridwen
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Aion - Obama plays Aion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-2BzE4fqsU&feature=related WoW was never able to make that claim ... ha ha ha Femmes Fatales - The Power of the Feminine in the Art of MMOs. Played: |
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You can't that say Aion is better than Wow . There are difrents mmoprgs like style.Wow have a fantasy grapics and Aion's graphis is more to reality. But Aion is something new so have a new chance not like the mmoprg witch tryies to coppy more than perfect wow and also make something( ex: aoc ) my point of view. |
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Prediction: Lots of hype and positive vibe before the release. Followed by a host of negative feedback 2-4 weeks after the release when people actually realize how shallow the gameplay really is when they are no longer fooled by the eye candy. That said. I think it will provide a breath of fresh air to those who are increasingly bored with their current games. Some no doubt will find a new home with Aion. It is not going to be a bad game, nor will it be that amazing. "The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in." |
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Originally posted by thexrated Aion's gameplay is point by point exactly the same as WoW's, except for the addiction of viable PvP/RvR, something where WoW has been failing hard during 5 years and has showed no trace of improving
Aion is like if WoW were given new better gfx and all of a sudden its PvP didnt suck donkey ass 1 million different people can point 1 million different flaws in WoW 5 years and they have been mentally incapable of coming up with something better |
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Originally posted by jonrd463
There's my dealbreaker. So much for Aion. The one thing I hate more than anything in an MMO is zoning. Hate it with a passion. Give me a coast to coast open world. If developers are so keen to copy WoW, as many people here suggest, then why can't an open world be the one thing they take?
Next game....
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lol..... just LOL! People claim that Aion vvont drop the vvovv subs because it doesnt bring anything nevv besides vvings..... VVell vvake up? vvovv vvas just a clone itself and it didnt really bring anything nevv.. and it did succeed in the subs |
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Originally posted by Macamus I am quite awake. TY. Perhaps have a look at the posts 14 months ago on this website. Launching a copy of WOW will actually be a boost to Wow new subscriptions. Just like these last 4 years. People who still say it didn't bring anything new to the market... My My My. I could cite dozens of things that lack in ALL the combined number of Wow copies we saw. But hey it is your time and space. :))) |
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Originally posted by arcdevil Aion's gameplay is point by point exactly the same as WoW's, except for the addiction of viable PvP/RvR, something where WoW has been failing hard during 5 years and has showed no trace of improving Aion is like if WoW were given new better gfx and all of a sudden its PvP didnt suck donkey ass
Actually its not really similar to WoW after first 25 levels. You do know that apparently most Aion players quit between 25-30 levels? Things I have heard so far that make people quit: - You level very slow in this game. - There are not enough quests so you are forced to grind mobs. - There is no variety in zones where to grind / level. Here is a pretty good review that balances on both postives and negatives: http://forum.mmosite.com/topics/245/200906/22/799,1.html Note: There seems to be some conflicting information about the number of quests. It seems there is no a lot more they started with, but I rather wait for release and see how it really is. The review I linked is fairly recent and yet there seems to be some people who claim that you can reach level 50 "easily" wihtout stepping in to Abyss. "The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in." |
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heartless
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Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
Originally posted by puma713 The zones are restricted and linear. There is also 1 zone per level range per race. It's not like WoW where you usually have 2 or more zones to go to as you're leveling. In Aion as a level 1-10 Asmodian, you're in Ishalgen and after level 10 you go to Pandemonium for a bit, then move on to Altgard...always.And so on and so forth. Yes, you can fly indefinitely in the Abyss but Abyss is only one part of the game. A part that only becomes fully accessible at higher levels.
If by higher levels, you mean level 25, then yes, that's correct. "Higher levels" seems to indicate something near endgame. Any game that makes you wait before you start having fun is suffering from bad design. That's one thing that a lot of WoW clones fail to clone. As for having access to the Abyss at level 25, yes you do have access. However, good luck trying to be viable in PvP with all the max level gank squads running/flying about.
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Well, here is a graph to illustrate the amount of grinding required. It seems that groupping up and grinding mobs will be most efficient due to XP you get from some harder elite mobs. Apparently added quests in 1.2. patch affects mainly 20-40 levels, but not still enough to remove the need for grinding. (Source for the graph at vnboards.ign.com/aion_online_general_board/b23118/111088950/p1/)
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Aion is Aion. It's a game to stand and be judged on its own. Everything's not an expansion pack to WoW just because it's within the same genre. It's an MMO. You play it and either like it or not. LineageII | LoTRO | RFO | 9Dragons | Aion | Perfect World | Ether Saga | Dungeon Runners | GuildWars | Hellgate London | tCoS | Warhammer | AoC | Tabula Rasa
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Originally posted by heartless The zones are restricted and linear. There is also 1 zone per level range per race. It's not like WoW where you usually have 2 or more zones to go to as you're leveling. In Aion as a level 1-10 Asmodian, you're in Ishalgen and after level 10 you go to Pandemonium for a bit, then move on to Altgard...always.And so on and so forth. Yes, you can fly indefinitely in the Abyss but Abyss is only one part of the game. A part that only becomes fully accessible at higher levels.
If by higher levels, you mean level 25, then yes, that's correct. "Higher levels" seems to indicate something near endgame. Any game that makes you wait before you start having fun is suffering from bad design. That's one thing that a lot of WoW clones fail to clone. As for having access to the Abyss at level 25, yes you do have access. However, good luck trying to be viable in PvP with all the max level gank squads running/flying about. And yet, how many WoW players will tell you that the game doesn't really start 'till End Game? That being said, I've never made it to lvl 25 in Aion, and so far I've had plenty of fun. |
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heartless
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Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
Originally posted by madeux
If by higher levels, you mean level 25, then yes, that's correct. "Higher levels" seems to indicate something near endgame. Any game that makes you wait before you start having fun is suffering from bad design. That's one thing that a lot of WoW clones fail to clone. As for having access to the Abyss at level 25, yes you do have access. However, good luck trying to be viable in PvP with all the max level gank squads running/flying about. And yet, how many WoW players will tell you that the game doesn't really start 'till End Game? That being said, I've never made it to lvl 25 in Aion, and so far I've had plenty of fun. And yet, WoW still somehow manages to be fun through out the journey to the end game. Otherwise the game wouldn't be where it is today.
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Originally posted by madeux Only the incredibly stupid ones=) |
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Originally posted by krieblood
You always compare games towards each other. For example there is no denying that both Aion & WoW lack collision detection. This means that both games most likely have similiar aggro mechanisms for pve simply because mobs can pass through players to get to other players(they do). No collision detect means that you can not make a wall of bodies in pvp to protect your healers. So therefore, healers must be able to with stand several attackers. Both games also have flight but have flight restricted zones.
Now, I do agree that the focus of each game is very different. WoW is a pve game with some pvp added. Aion is a more pvp focused game that also includes some pve elements. |
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Originally posted by heartless
If by higher levels, you mean level 25, then yes, that's correct. "Higher levels" seems to indicate something near endgame. Any game that makes you wait before you start having fun is suffering from bad design. That's one thing that a lot of WoW clones fail to clone. As for having access to the Abyss at level 25, yes you do have access. However, good luck trying to be viable in PvP with all the max level gank squads running/flying about. And yet, how many WoW players will tell you that the game doesn't really start 'till End Game? That being said, I've never made it to lvl 25 in Aion, and so far I've had plenty of fun. And yet, WoW still somehow manages to be fun through out the journey to the end game. Otherwise the game wouldn't be where it is today. I am going to reply to a lot of the quoted stuff so here goes. First off AionSource is the worst fanboi site I have ever seen. A guy there asked a simple question, looking for clarification on something, and was verbally attacked to the point where the moderators had to come in and defend him and ask the community to apologize. It was sad really and personally, I will never go to that site for anything, much less unbaised information. Secondly, no I have not gotten to the Abyss because getting to level 25 flat out sucks. The zones are linear. It is like playing 25 levels of Tortage in Age of Conan. Each zone that I have experienced is the same - there is a main road that runs through it. Quests start when you first enter the zone from the only direction you can. Along the road are quest hubs. One hub has quests, sends you out along the road to do quests. You can go a little off the road to do them but not that far. You then follow the road back to the quest hub, turn them in and then get one that sends you (back along the road/path/whatever you want to call it) to the next quest hub where you do quests again. Rinse and repeat. The thing is I do not care, and I think many who tried AIon and found it lacking, will agree with me, that it gets better at 25. If so, then that design is so radically different than anything to that point. It would be like in WOW saying - sorry no dungeons to level 60 and no PVP until level 70. It is simply bad game design to do this. If Aion is supposed to be based so wonderfully around PVPVE, then introduce it at lower levels and give players the option to mess around with it. My main problem with Aion is two-fold but revolves solely around quests. First, the quest writing blows. I do not mean translation but the writing in general. Every quest I did was so generic, I almost knew want it was going to be before I got it. It was to be kill X amount of this, deliver this or pick up/loot that. THERE WAS NO VARIETY AT ALL. Sure all MMO's have these quests, but at least in some games (WOW and LOTRO) you have some variety thrown in. Along that same line, I got disgusted with the quests when I got to one quest hub and I get a quest that says "Save these poor little defenseless creatures from being slaughtered by these mean bad creatures". Right next to this person, I get another quest that says "I need pelts for my tent, please slaughter these poor little defenseless creatures for me". I seriously laugh out loud. It is just bad writing to me. The second issue is that even the quests that mean something are generic. The quests where you get to pick your new class and leads to your Ascension quest at level 10 is beyond stupid. This is where the game is supposed to pick up and get good supposedly. So what is the quest? Run around the newbie zone and talk to these 4 people. THAT IS IT! Nothing epic, just a waste of time to talk to 4 people. It is sad really. Aion has its good points and its bad but honestly, outside of the PVPVE (that starts around level 25 - have fun getting there) the game is just a stale, generic, inferior copy of the PVE in WOW with less variety. That is why Aion will not compete with WOW in the West once people start playing it. Like I have said, like every other NCSoft game, it has great starting appeal, but gets very repetitive and lacks a lot the more you play it. |
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ronan32
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Aion is much better than wow, and if you're a pvp player its paradise. wow is for pve'ers and aion is for pvp'ers. Raid rage nerds might be disappointed with aion, everyone else will love it. |
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From what I see it will surely be a solid game. But it also looks kinda limited. Linear world, standard quests, standard combat system, only 2 races. It is solid, but nothing groundbreaking. But then, WOW proved that most people have a very mediocre taste. McDonalds ftw, it seems. :/
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