Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by mugengaia

Originally posted by Belsameth

Originally posted by mugengaia

NCsoft has not only abused its rights against customers by banning their accounts, they have also gone beyond their rights and starting banning innocent gamers for spreading what is FREE-SPEECH.

 

Free speech? May I remind you it's *THEIR* forum obn which *THEY* geyt to make the rules.

If you want free speech, go host your own forum. Do remember tho, if you do free speech will only go for yourself and not for the other users ;)

As for the issue. Can't blame NCSoft for not wanting to have a discussion about exploits on their official game forum. Rarely will an MMO dev/publisher allow that, so it seems somewhat strange that you act all hurt and such...

 

Well, no I'm not hurt...LOL

 

I quit the game for good.  Closed my account, and never want to play Aion again.  As for the hacks.  It is really bad in Korea.  Almost all the top ranking PvPers in the Abyss are hack users. 

 

Sometimes you're lvl50 and you get 2sec destroyed by some 30 lvl assassin...which is by the way Bullshit. 

Anyways, good luck to all you NA/EU gamers waiting for the release.  I doubt the hacks and bots will ever really be moderated by the GMs or the dev. team in NA/EU.  For one Kim Taek Jin doesn't give a rat's ass about customers, and it's been old news.  I guess I'll just go back to WoW...or try LOTRO. 

I've been wanting to try LOTRO...since people have been telling me Moria's interesting...

Well, anyways good luck to you guys.

GOOD for you,as you SHOULD be standing up against these lame developers like NCSOFT whjo is the worst IMO well next to JOYMAX.

I have pointed out the flaw of GG MANY times and the fact that NCSOFT considers their player base to be thjat dumb is an insult to the players.I would bet 99.9% of the players know GG DOES NOT work and NEVER has worked to stop cheating,so why does NCSOFT try to fool the people?because they are a joke and a VERY lame developer that has NEVER shown any action against botters or cheats.

NOT one single person should be defending NCSOFT,those forums should be bombarded non stop until NCSOFT gets the message that players want a game and a developer they can TRUST,and so far after many years NCSOFT is NOT one to be trusted.

It is also a lame move to stop others from spreading the word on OFFICIAL forums that cheats are being used in the game,they are trying to mislead the customers into thinking their game is a FAIR place to play..pfft.There is almost NEVER any action by GM's ,it is 99% of the time up to players to report cheaters,so the fact they are trying to less educate the users means very few will even know of the cheats to report them,again this is why it is lame to do the cover up action.Copver ups are something goverment does to try and hide MISTAKES or lame actions,it is wrong no matter how much you try to twist it around you know it and i know it.

I don't care if it is NCSOFT or whoever developer,this type of action is brutal and the players should do whatever action is needed to get the message across LOUD n CLEAR.I would say without a doubt a 25-50% sudden subscription cancelation would send the message and action would have to be taken.This goes for ANY game,do not think i am just bashing NCSOFT,just so happens i hate this type of crap from ANY developer.

first of all silkroad game guard isnt activated it looks like its runing but if you call game guard they ll will say that silkroad hasnt renewed the contract with game guard so game guard no longer support silkroad 

but the icon does look good lol,its like anybody lol ,stop paying for x service they ll stop helping you being protected 

if ncsoft did the same as silkroad (witch i would doubt but you never know)they wont be protected lol 

Originally posted by Belsameth

Originally posted by mugengaia

NCsoft has not only abused its rights against customers by banning their accounts, they have also gone beyond their rights and starting banning innocent gamers for spreading what is FREE-SPEECH.

 

Free speech? May I remind you it's *THEIR* forum obn which *THEY* geyt to make the rules.

If you want free speech, go host your own forum. Do remember tho, if you do free speech will only go for yourself and not for the other users ;)

As for the issue. Can't blame NCSoft for not wanting to have a discussion about exploits on their official game forum. Rarely will an MMO dev/publisher allow that, so it seems somewhat strange that you act all hurt and such...

I agree.  The same thing happened on WoW's forums back in the day, when farming bots were becoming more & more popular.  I was amazed on how fast Blizzard removed some of the posts I saw.

With all due respect, I wasn't targeting NCsoft for any reason regarding bias or personal vendetta. Its just relevant to privious posts and the topic, which is NCsoft and hackers as a whole and how they are going to deal with that policey in their game.

I do agree with what your saying about Mythic in relation to what I know of them. I don't remember Dark Age of Camelot, as I was only about nine when that hit. However, WarHammer online does have its problems as do most games. The Lotro devs really crack down on their bugs and hackers. Infact after a year or so of playing, I never saw one hacker or anyone exploiting the game in that way. My brother in-law is a NCsoft hater and as much as I dislike alot of the larger Companys who make heavy asset games, there are only a good handful to choose from, so I try and bring light the the more possitive points of the development of new games.

And I stand with you on firm ground when you stated  "If NCsoft fixes issues and bans abusers.... thats all I'll ask"

My point to other people awaiting the game is, don't be intimidated by reportings of hackers an bugs. If the devs are as passionate as they say the problem will be cancelled down and defeated.

I am really looking forward to this game, for those who say "fans" like me shouldn't... up yours you aren't gonna ruin my hype, because if anyones going to do that, it will be the devs not the trolls.

I don't think people here are understanding what is actually going on. 

On numerous video uploading sites such as Daum.tv.spot, naver video and etc, videos of the hacks in use were being uploaded, and each one of them have been disappearing as we currently speak. 

How is this not a violation of peoples' right to express openly what they desire.  Banning accounts and preventing posts on the official forum is legitimate, but bribing korean video uploading sites and making them delete video evidences of these hacks is not the correct method to handling issues. 

Many Aion customers in Korea have been uploading hack videos on various sites, and have posted on sites such as AionInven and ThisIsGame that their videos have been deleted, just soon as they link the addresses. 

Also the reason why these dissappearances of the uploaded hack videos only lead to NCsoft is due to the fact that alot of other video evidences of hacks are not deleted and have been left alone for weeks, months, and even years on these numerous sites.

Even on AionInven, the article that has most views and comments stay on the main page as main topic, but has already been dropped from the main page.  This is ironic, because there was never a similar occasion when a popular article was brought down from the Hot Issue picture on the main page. 

I've only experiences some of the hackers recently, as I have stated before, when some lvl30s Assassin melted me in 2-3secs.  Because there were regular hits inbetween couple successions of the skill chains, I assumed it was lag due to my distance playing from NY. 

However, it turns out there are 4-5 types of hacks that allow users to increase attack speed, movement speed, and attack damage as much as up to 10 times the regular gameplay.  These hacks, according posts by users who have tried the hacks say, they also have functions for auto-botting.   

As for the existence of these hacks, some of the people who claim they have experience using these hacks say the hacks existed since OBT of Aion in Korea. 

I have also noticed on some occassions when players on the server forums complain about hacks in the past, however, I assumed these were only a few number of people and were banned as soon as notified. 

But the truth is, ever since this article has been released, some hackers with different pseudonyms have started explaining that they have been using these hacks for months. 

For example some say that they have been using it, because they were aware that players from the other factions were using it.  Or some say they have been using these hacks with slightly high settings such as on 2-3x, then started using the hacks at full potential once they noticed more number of players using the hacks. 

What is most important at this point is that almost the whole community of Aion gamers in Korea are angry at NCsoft, because NCsoft has not apologized or released any statements, rather bribe sites to delete evidence videos. 

Now, I have no proof that NCsoft is bribing video uploading sites such as Daumtvspot and etc, but this is what the majority of the Korean Aion community is assuming, because such actions have never been before seen with other Online games. 

Some people are already at the point of gathering in blogs to consider going against NCsoft with the law.  Some are angry that eventhough NCsoft agreements state hacking or botting will be banned, NCsoft has not actually done anything, but go against their priorities to increase subscription numbers and stock prices over the months.

Like I stated, I felt this news should be spread worldwide, so that the entire community of anticipating gamers around the globe know what is going on with the Korean Aion Community instead of some phony statement releases from the NCsoft side.

NCsoft has a very nasty reputation for ignoring customers in the past, and I had hoped that they changed their way of doing business, but it doesn't seem so. 

I have already quit the game for good yesterday, because I do not see much promise with NCsoft, and as other koreans, been dissappointed in the way they provide service. 

As an econ and BMA major, I am rather disgusted in the way NCsoft handles its business. 

I have enjoyed Aion for the last couple months and I don't regret playing, but I believe it is time for me to move on.  They have dissappointed many gamers in Korea before, and continue to do so.

Time will only tell how NCsoft will deal with NA/EU customers.

 lol even wow player abuse of gray area check on worldofraids lol

gees ulduar isnt that old and exodus got a 72 hour wrist slap because they got caught ,no perma ban 

if it wasa noob i would understand but not when your at those supposedly undoable lvl 

same for athene group in wow they asked gm info then oups out of the smoke haze blizzard wakes up at almost the final minute before 80 and ban the whole group for a small period just enough to prevent that group from doing record when almost every

other pro were doing the exact same thing lol

i was starting pvp in wow ,pvp rank are controled by blizzard lol it isnt even fun this summer season its been rogue/priest

its not balanced oh they try but everytime they correct it they create another monster they never planned in the first place 

i wrote to them(blizzard) asking to put a debuff on fight winner and a buff on looser to prevent abuse 

next thing i know my friend tell  me that war implemented the exact suggestion i made to wow 

can you imagine i was stunned to read that they had added this feature ,lol wow just ignored this and kept over correction or undercorrecting class in an attempt to balance the game 

i left wow on 6 of june and i dont have regret ,i am sorry to hear that aion is already full of problem 

so what was gona be fun pvp raid wont even be funny ,men i had high hope i guess ill stick to rune of magic then till something 

else come out

Keep in mind that is korea you are talking about. That free speach shit doesnt fly.

I think what mugengaia is trying to say, and please correct me if I am wrong, is that there is a wide spread usage of hacks going on in the Korean Aion version and NCSoft, instead of banning the hackers is banning the people who provide proof of the hackers. In other words, the hacking continues while people who voice their concerns get banned.

Oh and those of you giving the OP a hard time for this post, I can't wait until Aion launches in the west and you experience the hacks and the bots first hand. I've seen them and so will you.

Gameguard lol.

Originally posted by mugengaia

I don't think people here are understanding what is actually going on. 

On numerous video uploading sites such as Daum.tv.spot, naver video and etc, videos of the hacks in use were being uploaded, and each one of them have been disappearing as we currently speak. 

How is this not a violation of peoples' right to express openly what they desire.  Banning accounts and preventing posts on the official forum is legitimate, but bribing korean video uploading sites and making them delete video evidences of these hacks is not the correct method to handling issues. 

Many Aion customers in Korea have been uploading hack videos on various sites, and have posted on sites such as AionInven and ThisIsGame that their videos have been deleted, just soon as they link the addresses. 

Also the reason why these dissappearances of the uploaded hack videos only lead to NCsoft is due to the fact that alot of other video evidences of hacks are not deleted and have been left alone for weeks, months, and even years on these numerous sites.

 

Even on AionInven, the article that has most views and comments stay on the main page as main topic, but has already been dropped from the main page.  This is ironic, because there was never a similar occasion when a popular article was brought down from the Hot Issue picture on the main page. 

 

I've only experiences some of the hackers recently, as I have stated before, when some lvl30s Assassin melted me in 2-3secs.  Because there were regular hits inbetween couple successions of the skill chains, I assumed it was lag due to my distance playing from NY. 

However, it turns out there are 4-5 types of hacks that allow users to increase attack speed, movement speed, and attack damage as much as up to 10 times the regular gameplay.  These hacks, according posts by users who have tried the hacks say, they also have functions for auto-botting.   

 

As for the existence of these hacks, some of the people who claim they have experience using these hacks say the hacks existed since OBT of Aion in Korea. 

I have also noticed on some occassions when players on the server forums complain about hacks in the past, however, I assumed these were only a few number of people and were banned as soon as notified. 

But the truth is, ever since this article has been released, some hackers with different pseudonyms have started explaining that they have been using these hacks for months. 

For example some say that they have been using it, because they were aware that players from the other factions were using it.  Or some say they have been using these hacks with slightly high settings such as on 2-3x, then started using the hacks at full potential once they noticed more number of players using the hacks. 

 

What is most important at this point is that almost the whole community of Aion gamers in Korea are angry at NCsoft, because NCsoft has not apologized or released any statements, rather bribe sites to delete evidence videos. 

Now, I have no proof that NCsoft is bribing video uploading sites such as Daumtvspot and etc, but this is what the majority of the Korean Aion community is assuming, because such actions have never been before seen with other Online games. 

Some people are already at the point of gathering in blogs to consider going against NCsoft with the law.  Some are angry that eventhough NCsoft agreements state hacking or botting will be banned, NCsoft has not actually done anything, but go against their priorities to increase subscription numbers and stock prices over the months.

 

Like I stated, I felt this news should be spread worldwide, so that the entire community of anticipating gamers around the globe know what is going on with the Korean Aion Community instead of some phony statement releases from the NCsoft side.

NCsoft has a very nasty reputation for ignoring customers in the past, and I had hoped that they changed their way of doing business, but it doesn't seem so. 

I have already quit the game for good yesterday, because I do not see much promise with NCsoft, and as other koreans, been dissappointed in the way they provide service. 

As an econ and BMA major, I am rather disgusted in the way NCsoft handles its business. 

I have enjoyed Aion for the last couple months and I don't regret playing, but I believe it is time for me to move on.  They have dissappointed many gamers in Korea before, and continue to do so.

Time will only tell how NCsoft will deal with NA/EU customers.

lol i bet ncsoft didnt have to bribe , they just say we ll sue you if you dont remoove it i can say it get result fast 

microsoft started doing it differently if say they find an illegal download site dont be surprised if you get a cant connect to server message 

the site you try to acces is working but microsoft browser blocks it

lot of  download site from asia are blocked now in explorer you got to go online by diiferent method linux behing one just because microsoft decided to plainly filter content you can use im not sure its even legal for microft to do so but why would they care they got the monopoly(control)

Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Keep in mind that is korea you are talking about. That free speach shit doesnt fly.

You are completely right.  There are still tons of back-door trading and wrongfully over-protected officials everywhere in Korea.

If it's not fixed or addressed by NC b4 the american release.. i will be passing this one.  Shame, this was the cure to my WoW bordem :(

Hopefully Global Agenda is awesome!

Originally posted by mugengaia

I don't think people here are understanding what is actually going on. 

On numerous video uploading sites such as Daum.tv.spot, naver video and etc, videos of the hacks in use were being uploaded, and each one of them have been disappearing as we currently speak. 

How is this not a violation of peoples' right to express openly what they desire.  Banning accounts and preventing posts on the official forum is legitimate, but bribing korean video uploading sites and making them delete video evidences of these hacks is not the correct method to handling issues. 

[Edit for sake of space]

Again, when you sign up for pretty much any social website you agree to certain terms. The companies are well within their rights to remove videos/ban users if they want to. There is not much anyone can do about that aside from create their own website or just continue to post on other websites and hope for exposure.

I am not trying to defend NCSoft's actions here, but please understand that these websites are not doing anything illegal. I agree it is a stupid move to delete these videos, and it only hurts their community when fellow website users see these videos being removed. NCSoft may be approaching these companies and asking them to remove videos for whatever reason. We don't quite know but it is fairly likely they are. I really doubt any of these companies would delete these videos unless they themselves had something against showing video game footage. Many companies have approached YouTube to remove quite a few videos and YouTube has certain measures in place because of that. For all we know, there may be something within the ToS/EULA of Aion that does not allow people to advertise exploits. Someone would need to pick through their terms with a fine comb to really know. But if part of the ToS/EULA was that a person could not post exploits about the game, NCSoft would be well within their rights to request these videos be removed. They could also consider it as a breach of copyright laws of some kind. I personally can not say for sure about anything within this paragraph as I am no expert on legal matters and this is purely my personal take on the situation.

Please understand, it is not illegal for these companies to delete videos/posts off their websites. If they do not want to have some information displayed on their own website which they run and the servers which they own, they are within their rights to delete said information.

If you didn't see my other post, I will pull my analogy from that:

You can send an article to TIME magazine and request that it be published, but you cannot turn around and say they are squelching your freedom of speech when they refuse to publish it.

Originally posted by InSane103

Originally posted by mugengaia

I don't think people here are understanding what is actually going on. 

On numerous video uploading sites such as Daum.tv.spot, naver video and etc, videos of the hacks in use were being uploaded, and each one of them have been disappearing as we currently speak. 

How is this not a violation of peoples' right to express openly what they desire.  Banning accounts and preventing posts on the official forum is legitimate, but bribing korean video uploading sites and making them delete video evidences of these hacks is not the correct method to handling issues. 

[Edit for sake of space]

Again, when you sign up for pretty much any social website you agree to certain terms. The companies are well within their rights to remove videos/ban users if they want to. There is not much anyone can do about that aside from create their own website or just continue to post on other websites and hope for exposure.

I am not trying to defend NCSoft's actions here, but please understand that these websites are not doing anything illegal. I agree it is a stupid move to delete these videos, and it only hurts their community when fellow website users see these videos being removed. NCSoft may be approaching these companies and asking them to remove videos for whatever reason. We don't quite know but it is fairly likely they are. I really doubt any of these companies would delete these videos unless they themselves had something against showing video game footage. Many companies have approached YouTube to remove quite a few videos and YouTube has certain measures in place because of that. For all we know, there may be something within the ToS/EULA of Aion that does not allow people to advertise exploits. Someone would need to pick through their terms with a fine comb to really know. But if part of the ToS/EULA was that a person could not post exploits about the game, NCSoft would be well within their rights to request these videos be removed. They could also consider it as a breach of copyright laws of some kind. I personally can not say for sure about anything within this paragraph as I am no expert on legal matters and this is purely my personal take on the situation.

Please understand, it is not illegal for these companies to delete videos/posts off their websites. If they do not want to have some information displayed on their own website which they run and the servers which they own, they are within their rights to delete said information.

If you didn't see my other post, I will pull my analogy from that:

You can send an article to TIME magazine and request that it be published, but you cannot turn around and say they are squelching your freedom of speech when they refuse to publish it.

Ok, ok.  So I could care less about what the actual law is.  And I completely understand what you are saying.  I have also taken many business law classes while in school, so it isn't surprising what is actually going on. 

But my focal-point is that NCsoft's method of handling this issue is rather petty for a company representing the Korean MMO market.

The Koreans, just really don't want such a shameful company representing the general population in the West.

Originally posted by mugengaia
[Edit for space]

Ok, ok.  So I could care less about what the actual law is.  And I completely understand what you are saying.  I have also taken many business law classes while in school, so it isn't surprising what is actually going on. 

But my focal-point is that NCsoft's method of handling this issue is rather petty for a company representing the Korean MMO market.

The Koreans, just really don't want such a shameful company representing the general population in the West.

I just want it to be made clear that they are not doing anything illegal in deleting these videos/posts.

I agree it is a really crappy business practice and people should take notice. If anything deleting the videos and such will create more conflict than just leaving them up would have (minus the "tutorial" videos).

Edit: After more research, they really need to fix certain aspects of the game so that they cannot be so easily exploited. Hopefully the patches that come after 1.2 address these issues, otherwise I doubt I will stick around long.

Originally posted by Jaklax

If it's not fixed or addressed by NC b4 the american release.. i will be passing this one.  Shame, this was the cure to my WoW bordem :(

 

Hopefully Global Agenda is awesome!

You said it. Im going to do the beta but Best Buy hasnt gotten the balance owed on the pre order. I had and still have hope for this one and will see how it all goes.

Originally posted by InSane103

Originally posted by mugengaia
[Edit for space]

Ok, ok.  So I could care less about what the actual law is.  And I completely understand what you are saying.  I have also taken many business law classes while in school, so it isn't surprising what is actually going on. 

But my focal-point is that NCsoft's method of handling this issue is rather petty for a company representing the Korean MMO market.

The Koreans, just really don't want such a shameful company representing the general population in the West.

I just want it to be made clear that they are not doing anything illegal in deleting these videos/posts.

I agree it is a really crappy business practice and people should take notice. If anything deleting the videos and such will create more conflict than just leaving them up would have (minus the "tutorial" videos).

I don't understand why you're giving him a hard time. Who gives a rat's ass about NCSoft's right to delete posts and ban users? I'm sure that if you read the EULA, there is a clause in there which states that NCSoft has the right to terminate any user account "just because."

What we should be concentrating on is NCSoft continuing to show complete disregard for hacking, botting and exploiting going on on their live servers. You do realize that there is a big chance that NCSoft's response, or lack there of, towards hacking/botting/exploiting will carry over to the western version, just like it did with Lineage II?

Edit: Look, I know that for many Aion is a new shiny toy, but we cannot completely disregard the negative aspects of it. Especially negative aspects of this nature as they will not go away by themselves. We need to take a strong stance against this, otherwise we'll have another Lineage II.

Originally posted by mugengaia

Originally posted by InSane103

Originally posted by mugengaia

I don't think people here are understanding what is actually going on. 

On numerous video uploading sites such as Daum.tv.spot, naver video and etc, videos of the hacks in use were being uploaded, and each one of them have been disappearing as we currently speak. 

How is this not a violation of peoples' right to express openly what they desire.  Banning accounts and preventing posts on the official forum is legitimate, but bribing korean video uploading sites and making them delete video evidences of these hacks is not the correct method to handling issues. 

[Edit for sake of space]

Again, when you sign up for pretty much any social website you agree to certain terms. The companies are well within their rights to remove videos/ban users if they want to. There is not much anyone can do about that aside from create their own website or just continue to post on other websites and hope for exposure.

I am not trying to defend NCSoft's actions here, but please understand that these websites are not doing anything illegal. I agree it is a stupid move to delete these videos, and it only hurts their community when fellow website users see these videos being removed. NCSoft may be approaching these companies and asking them to remove videos for whatever reason. We don't quite know but it is fairly likely they are. I really doubt any of these companies would delete these videos unless they themselves had something against showing video game footage. Many companies have approached YouTube to remove quite a few videos and YouTube has certain measures in place because of that. For all we know, there may be something within the ToS/EULA of Aion that does not allow people to advertise exploits. Someone would need to pick through their terms with a fine comb to really know. But if part of the ToS/EULA was that a person could not post exploits about the game, NCSoft would be well within their rights to request these videos be removed. They could also consider it as a breach of copyright laws of some kind. I personally can not say for sure about anything within this paragraph as I am no expert on legal matters and this is purely my personal take on the situation.

Please understand, it is not illegal for these companies to delete videos/posts off their websites. If they do not want to have some information displayed on their own website which they run and the servers which they own, they are within their rights to delete said information.

If you didn't see my other post, I will pull my analogy from that:

You can send an article to TIME magazine and request that it be published, but you cannot turn around and say they are squelching your freedom of speech when they refuse to publish it.

 

Ok, ok.  So I could care less about what the actual law is.  And I completely understand what you are saying.  I have also taken many business law classes while in school, so it isn't surprising what is actually going on. 

But my focal-point is that NCsoft's method of handling this issue is rather petty for a company representing the Korean MMO market.

The Koreans, just really don't want such a shameful company representing the general population in the West.

Dude that is the whole point! First of all you should care about what the actual law is. It makes a difference. Removing your intellectual property from a 3rd party site is not the same as bribing companies. It just isn't.

Your focal-point is wrong. Western companies do the same thing! This problem will not be fixed by NCsoft making an announcment saying "This will be fixed next Thursday!" All that does is give people a timeline as to how long it will work. Standard Operating Proceedure for a situation like this for Sony/Blizz/Mythic is "Keep your mouth shut until this is fixed, then let people know."

You should count your blessings my friend. The Korean MMO Business is actually regulated by the governement there. Don't go spouting about how disinfranchised you are on forums. It fixes nothing. Write a support ticket or call their help line. Or hell, in Korea you can walk into their office and ask for support (Which the company is mandated to have by the KR government.)

You are not trying to save face or fix a problem. You are pissed off and you are going to make sure you stir up as much trouble as possible. What you have written is not new. Welcome to the world of MMOs. I want you to do a find and replace on your posts.

Find: NCsoft   Replace: Any other MMO publisher

Find: East        Replace: West

Find: Korea     Replace: America

Now google it. Have a great trip back to 1999.

Is anyone Surprised? seriously its NCsoft we are talking about. The company have been trash for years. There north american division got cought selling Ingame gold to players, Haha.

Aion is never going to take hold in the western market, stoping hacks and exploits is needed and NCsoft always fail to fix things like that.

I remember in the old linage2 days the game where so full of bots you could hardly grind any good spots hehe.

So do yourself a favor skipp this title because its going to be a Bot and chines farm fest.....with tons of hacks and exploits. 

"There north american division got cought selling Ingame gold to players, Haha."

Sorry to go all SA on you but... source please

Originally posted by heartless

I don't understand why you're giving him a hard time. Who gives a rat's ass about NCSoft's right to delete posts and ban users? I'm sure that if you read the EULA, there is a clause in there which states that NCSoft has the right to terminate any user account "just because."

What we should be concentrating on is NCSoft continuing to show complete disregard for hacking, botting and exploiting going on on their live servers. You do realize that there is a big chance that NCSoft's response, or lack there of, towards hacking/botting/exploiting will carry over to the western version, just like it did with Lineage II?

Edit: Look, I know that for many Aion is a new shiny toy, but we cannot completely disregard the negative aspects of it. Especially negative aspects of this nature as they will not go away by themselves. We need to take a strong stance against this, otherwise we'll have another Lineage II.

I don't see Aion as the shiny new toy and NCSoft as my mother, but I do see vilifying anyone on the grounds of something that is poorly-based or plain incorrect as wrong. Calling what they are doing illegal is just wrong because it is not illegal.

Thanks for skipping the rest of my post(s) in this thread. I agree that NCSoft is shifty and their business practices need further examination but I find it wrong to attribute something to them that is untrue. We, as players of Aion and human beings need to look at things from an objective standpoint and not jump on one bandwagon or another.

If you want to attack me personally instead of reading what I said and understanding what I am saying then fine. I am the type of person who has an open mind and takes in information and processes it logically instead of lashing out at people when their information does not match up with my own.

To stay on topic and restate what I have said before:

We should look at NCSoft objectively and review their practices fairly. If their bad business management flows over into Aion, I can personally say I will not be sticking around very long. I just hope that the patches/fixes at NA/EU launch remove the issues these exploits produce. We, as the users of Aion, obviously need to take a stand on the issue of exploiting and push NCSoft to release better software to protect the game and its users (as GameGuard appears to be about as useful as my appendix). If NCSoft refuses to fix these problems even after numerous complaints then we can just up and leave their game and avoid the company entirely.

Edit: Beta forums are up and people are talking.

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Is anyone Surprised? seriously its NCsoft we are talking about. The company have been trash for years. There north american division got cought selling Ingame gold to players, Haha.

Aion is never going to take hold in the western market, stoping hacks and exploits is needed and NCsoft always fail to fix things like that.

I remember in the old linage2 days the game where so full of bots you could hardly grind any good spots hehe.

So do yourself a favor skipp this title because its going to be a Bot and chines farm fest.....with tons of hacks and exploits. 

China's government recently banned the selling of virtual currency.

What effect this will have is yet to be seen though.

Source

"The Chinese government has officially banned gold farming, declaring that virtual currency can only be traded for virtual goods and services. According to InformationWeek, the ruling will affect "more than 300 million Internet users in China," and curtail a trade that "exceeded several billion yuan (one billion yuan is approximately $146 million) last year" while growing "20 percent annually."
 

Originally posted by InSane103

Originally posted by heartless

I don't understand why you're giving him a hard time. Who gives a rat's ass about NCSoft's right to delete posts and ban users? I'm sure that if you read the EULA, there is a clause in there which states that NCSoft has the right to terminate any user account "just because."

What we should be concentrating on is NCSoft continuing to show complete disregard for hacking, botting and exploiting going on on their live servers. You do realize that there is a big chance that NCSoft's response, or lack there of, towards hacking/botting/exploiting will carry over to the western version, just like it did with Lineage II?

Edit: Look, I know that for many Aion is a new shiny toy, but we cannot completely disregard the negative aspects of it. Especially negative aspects of this nature as they will not go away by themselves. We need to take a strong stance against this, otherwise we'll have another Lineage II.

I don't see Aion as the shiny new toy and NCSoft as my mother, but I do see vilifying anyone on the grounds of something that is poorly-based or plain incorrect as wrong. Calling what they are doing illegal is just wrong because it is not illegal.

Thanks for skipping the rest of my post(s) in this thread. I agree that NCSoft is shifty and their business practices need further examination but I find it wrong to attribute something to them that is untrue. We, as players of Aion and human beings need to look at things from an objective standpoint and not jump on one bandwagon or another.

If you want to attack me personally instead of reading what I said and understanding what I am saying then fine. I am the type of person who has an open mind and takes in information and processes it logically instead of lashing out at people when their information does not match up with my own.

To stay on topic and restate what I have said before:

We should look at NCSoft objectively and review their practices fairly. If their bad business management flows over into Aion, I can personally say I will not be sticking around very long. I just hope that the patches/fixes at NA/EU launch remove the issues these exploits produce. We, as the users of Aion, obviously need to take a stand on the issue of exploiting and push NCSoft to release better software to protect the game and its users (as GameGuard appears to be about as useful as my appendix). If NCSoft refuses to fix these problems even after numerous complaints then we can just up and leave their game and avoid the company entirely.

The OP may have exaggerated but his point is still valid.  On the other hand, instead of concentrating on the actual message, you and a few other posters have decided to take it upon yourselves to give the OP a hard time simply because he exaggerated and overreacted.

The fact still stands. Hacking, botting and exploiting is currently going on in all live versions of Aion. Whether or not the OP feels that it is illegal by NCSoft to ban users who voice their problems with hackers is irrelevant to the fact that NCSoft is doing very little to combat hacking, exploiting and botting.

I don't know if NCSoft puts too much faith into Game"guard" or they simply don't care but the fact remains, if we ignore it, come September, we will be facing the same problems.

Originally posted by heartless 

The OP may have exaggerated but his point is still valid.  On the other hand, instead of concentrating on the actual message, you and a few other posters have decided to take it upon yourselves to give the OP a hard time simply because he exaggerated and overreacted.

The fact still stands. Hacking, botting and exploiting is currently going on in all live versions of Aion. Whether or not the OP feels that it is illegal by NCSoft to ban users who voice their problems with hackers is irrelevant to the fact that NCSoft is doing very little to combat hacking, exploiting and botting.

I don't know if NCSoft puts too much faith into Game"guard" or they simply don't care but the fact remains, if we ignore it, come September, we will be facing the same problems.

You really don't read anything I say do you? You are taking this single person's word as gospel.

Look at this whole thing from an objective standpoint instead of just choosing to believe what this one person has said. I, for one, am reading all of the posts on the subject on the beta forums and Aion Source.

I never said that using the exploits was fine or that it is not a problem, but you refuse to see that. Of course I said something about the OP going nuts and overreacting to the situation, if you read everything on the internet and take it at face value you won't live another year. I want people to understand that NCSoft has rights and it is not violating other people's rights. This is essentially the same thing as saying John McCain eats babies because you are an Obama supporter. If you are going to gripe and spout about a company at least tell the truth.

Edit: Look up the definition of libel. I am not going to continue this conversation as it is obvious you are not reading what I am saying or just totally not getting the point.

I must say this post has really worried me.. I have been and am still very much so looking forward to the Western version of Aion to launch and really want it bot/hack free... if NC Soft says that its impossible to make it hack free I agree but making the hackers and botters as minimal as possible is essential!

Originally posted by InSane103

Originally posted by heartless 

The OP may have exaggerated but his point is still valid.  On the other hand, instead of concentrating on the actual message, you and a few other posters have decided to take it upon yourselves to give the OP a hard time simply because he exaggerated and overreacted.

The fact still stands. Hacking, botting and exploiting is currently going on in all live versions of Aion. Whether or not the OP feels that it is illegal by NCSoft to ban users who voice their problems with hackers is irrelevant to the fact that NCSoft is doing very little to combat hacking, exploiting and botting.

I don't know if NCSoft puts too much faith into Game"guard" or they simply don't care but the fact remains, if we ignore it, come September, we will be facing the same problems.

You really don't read anything I say do you? You are taking this single person's word as gospel.

Look at this whole thing from an objective standpoint instead of just choosing to believe what this one person has said. I, for one, am reading all of the posts on the subject on the beta forums and Aion Source.

I never said that using the exploits was fine or that it is not a problem, but you refuse to see that. Of course I said something about the OP going nuts and overreacting to the situation, if you read everything on the internet and take it at face value you won't live another year. I want people to understand that NCSoft has rights and it is not violating other people's rights. This is essentially the same thing as saying John McCain eats babies because you are an Obama supporter. If you are going to gripe and spout about a company at least tell the truth.

Edit: Look up the definition of libel. I am not going to continue this conversation as it is obvious you are not reading what I am saying or just totally not getting the point.

I've played Aion and seen the bots, the hackers and the exploiters first hand. I don't need to take his word as gospel as I know that what he is saying is true. He may have overreacted in his views towards NCSoft's banning of players but he is right on the money: the hacks do exist and there are a lot of people using them.

Originally posted by heartless 

I've played Aion and seen the bots, the hackers and the exploiters first hand. I don't need to take his word as gospel as I know that what he is saying is true. He may have overreacted in his views towards NCSoft's banning of players but he is right on the money: the hacks do exist and there are a lot of people using them.

I agree with you. Considering how long Aion has been out in China and South Korea, to think that we won't have those problems is just wishful thinking. Anyone who played Lineage 2 knows this.

I for one know how much it blows when you get really good at a game, and then some bot comes in and destroys you with his cheating bs. It happened to me in UT 3 all the time, and not only do bots piss you off, they completely screw up your game because you're taking damage when you shouldn't be and dying when you shouldn't be. It's a huge turn off for me to play with cheaters, which is why I mainly have been sticking to playing console games with my friends.